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	<title>Comments on: British admin for download links database may be first extradited to US for copyright&#160;charges</title>
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		<title>By: Camp Freddie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1321338</link>
		<dc:creator>Camp Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great link. The challenges considered were:

1) the legality under UK law (conclusion: illegal in both terriories)
2) passage of time (conclusion: no reason to prevent extradition)
3a) Human rights (conclusion: not relevant except in extreme cases, this isn&#039;t extreme)
3b) Revelant forum (conclusion: offence caused in both territories.  Since no one in the UK could be arsed to prosecute, we&#039;ve got to let the Yanks have a go)

There&#039;s a lot of room for appeal, especially since the judge didn&#039;t seem particularly emphatic about point 1 or point 3. 

Point 1 rests on the untested accusation by the Americans that because he controlled the links, he &#039;made available&#039; the content rather than  being a &#039;mere conduit&#039;.
The ruling seems rather contradictory since the judge quotes UK precendents that &#039;make available&#039; means actually supplying the stuff, as done by the file locker and not by tvshack.  The judge quotes rulings that compare it to a financial adviser and a bank, where the financial adviser controls the link to a money source, but the bank makes the money available.
Then in the next paragraph he says, &quot;yeah but no but it&#039;s probably illegal yeah?&quot; (I may be paraphrasing here, but I think my wording is more internally consistent than the actual ruling).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great link. The challenges considered were:</p>
<p>1) the legality under UK law (conclusion: illegal in both terriories)<br />
2) passage of time (conclusion: no reason to prevent extradition)<br />
3a) Human rights (conclusion: not relevant except in extreme cases, this isn&#8217;t extreme)<br />
3b) Revelant forum (conclusion: offence caused in both territories.  Since no one in the UK could be arsed to prosecute, we&#8217;ve got to let the Yanks have a go)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of room for appeal, especially since the judge didn&#8217;t seem particularly emphatic about point 1 or point 3. </p>
<p>Point 1 rests on the untested accusation by the Americans that because he controlled the links, he &#8216;made available&#8217; the content rather than  being a &#8216;mere conduit&#8217;.<br />
The ruling seems rather contradictory since the judge quotes UK precendents that &#8216;make available&#8217; means actually supplying the stuff, as done by the file locker and not by tvshack.  The judge quotes rulings that compare it to a financial adviser and a bank, where the financial adviser controls the link to a money source, but the bank makes the money available.<br />
Then in the next paragraph he says, &#8220;yeah but no but it&#8217;s probably illegal yeah?&#8221; (I may be paraphrasing here, but I think my wording is more internally consistent than the actual ruling).</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320841</link>
		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s not being tried because the only previous attempt at prosecuting a website linking to copyrighted material was thrown out  by judges at the first hurdle. Basically, there is no law forbidding such activities in the UK.

The judge in this case sidestepped this by stating that, since *in his opinion* some damage was inflicted by O&#039;Dwyer&#039;s actions to US property, then he should be tried in the US regardless of his status in the UK system. Which says a lot about the judge&#039;s mindset, really, but that&#039;s hardly a surprise for the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s not being tried because the only previous attempt at prosecuting a website linking to copyrighted material was thrown out  by judges at the first hurdle. Basically, there is no law forbidding such activities in the UK.</p>
<p>The judge in this case sidestepped this by stating that, since *in his opinion* some damage was inflicted by O&#8217;Dwyer&#8217;s actions to US property, then he should be tried in the US regardless of his status in the UK system. Which says a lot about the judge&#8217;s mindset, really, but that&#8217;s hardly a surprise for the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320804</link>
		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He posted links to illegally redistributed material under copyright. This is not a crime in the UK (charges against him were dropped, and the only previous prosecution in history similar to this one was thrown out by judges).

So the fact remains: he is a UK citizen living in the UK who didn&#039;t break any UK law, and he&#039;s being extradited to respond of his actions to a foreign country.

It&#039;s like a US citizen was being extradited because he insulted the Queen or broke one of the umpteen silly laws about the British monarchy.

I&#039;ll leave it to others to judge whether what he did is a crime under US law (but if the &quot;google defense&quot; keeps losing, why nobody has really tried to go after Google? double-standards, eh?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He posted links to illegally redistributed material under copyright. This is not a crime in the UK (charges against him were dropped, and the only previous prosecution in history similar to this one was thrown out by judges).</p>
<p>So the fact remains: he is a UK citizen living in the UK who didn&#8217;t break any UK law, and he&#8217;s being extradited to respond of his actions to a foreign country.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like a US citizen was being extradited because he insulted the Queen or broke one of the umpteen silly laws about the British monarchy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave it to others to judge whether what he did is a crime under US law (but if the &#8220;google defense&#8221; keeps losing, why nobody has really tried to go after Google? double-standards, eh?).</p>
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		<title>By: manicbassman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320795</link>
		<dc:creator>manicbassman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is what happens when you use a .net domain... it gives the US @holes jurisdiction over you no matter where you are...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is what happens when you use a .net domain&#8230; it gives the US @holes jurisdiction over you no matter where you are&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: manicbassman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320794</link>
		<dc:creator>manicbassman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sadly the commentards on there can&#039;t see what the problem is... plenty of people are posting comments in support of him, yet the great DM herd is voting them down... DM readership is extremely Conservative and pro-authority...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sadly the commentards on there can&#8217;t see what the problem is&#8230; plenty of people are posting comments in support of him, yet the great DM herd is voting them down&#8230; DM readership is extremely Conservative and pro-authority&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Money Toolkit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320648</link>
		<dc:creator>Money Toolkit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utterly utterly ridiculous.

I must be careful not to admit online to have drunk any alcohol, for fear of extradition to Saudi Arabia.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utterly utterly ridiculous.</p>
<p>I must be careful not to admit online to have drunk any alcohol, for fear of extradition to Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Beschizza</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320636</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Beschizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really terrible thing about it is the idea that what he did is a crime in the US  specifically because he used the .com TLD. It&#039;s so easy to mix this up with the subsequent injustice of extradition, but that is the fundamental absurdity of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really terrible thing about it is the idea that what he did is a crime in the US  specifically because he used the .com TLD. It&#8217;s so easy to mix this up with the subsequent injustice of extradition, but that is the fundamental absurdity of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia O'Dwyer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320628</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia O'Dwyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for info there are inaccuracies throughout the judgement relating to the &quot;offence&quot; one day I will release all the statements served  etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for info there are inaccuracies throughout the judgement relating to the &#8220;offence&#8221; one day I will release all the statements served  etc.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulJay</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320583</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporate Fascist America in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate Fascist America in action.</p>
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		<title>By: ptaipale</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320565</link>
		<dc:creator>ptaipale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you not reading what he did? As far as I understand, what he did is criminal both in the USA and in the UK. As in any civilized country.

Now, I&#039;m generally very critical of the absolutely ridiculous compensation requests and unreasonable punishment for sharing music etc. The amounts of money that record companies etc ask for copyright infringement are just silly. But it seems to me that this guy was actually trying to make money with other people&#039;s music, it was systematic and pre-meditated, he knew well what he&#039;s doing. What he did could be used and exploited not only in the UK but in all countries (except North Korea, that being a country where he did not commit a crime).
This is not about one country being superior.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you not reading what he did? As far as I understand, what he did is criminal both in the USA and in the UK. As in any civilized country.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m generally very critical of the absolutely ridiculous compensation requests and unreasonable punishment for sharing music etc. The amounts of money that record companies etc ask for copyright infringement are just silly. But it seems to me that this guy was actually trying to make money with other people&#8217;s music, it was systematic and pre-meditated, he knew well what he&#8217;s doing. What he did could be used and exploited not only in the UK but in all countries (except North Korea, that being a country where he did not commit a crime).<br />
This is not about one country being superior.</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320274</link>
		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he didn&#039;t commit any crime in the UK.

Extradition is the real problem. Like with McKinnon, we have a British citizen who did *not* commit a crime under British law, but might have to answer for his actions to a &quot;superior&quot; country.

Copyright or no copyright, it&#039;s an abhorrent state of things and must change. It makes UK citizens subject to any US law, making the country de-facto equal to a US protectorate (i.e. a country where US law rules, but citizens have no representation in the US congress).

Thank you, Mr. Anthony &quot;Tony&quot; Blair, for your enlightened foreign policy. I hope you really believe in all that Catholic mumbo-jumbo, because you certainly earned quite a lot of valuable real estate in a nice region of hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he didn&#8217;t commit any crime in the UK.</p>
<p>Extradition is the real problem. Like with McKinnon, we have a British citizen who did *not* commit a crime under British law, but might have to answer for his actions to a &#8220;superior&#8221; country.</p>
<p>Copyright or no copyright, it&#8217;s an abhorrent state of things and must change. It makes UK citizens subject to any US law, making the country de-facto equal to a US protectorate (i.e. a country where US law rules, but citizens have no representation in the US congress).</p>
<p>Thank you, Mr. Anthony &#8220;Tony&#8221; Blair, for your enlightened foreign policy. I hope you really believe in all that Catholic mumbo-jumbo, because you certainly earned quite a lot of valuable real estate in a nice region of hell.</p>
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		<title>By: dmilith .</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320273</link>
		<dc:creator>dmilith .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is FUCKING RIDICULOUS!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is FUCKING RIDICULOUS!! </p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320266</link>
		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think judges care about justice, you don&#039;t know much about the judicial system. Judges uphold the Law; in this case, they upheld the treaty lawfully ratified by the legislator. 

It&#039;s not for the judge to throw out a crap law; certainly not this judge,  being, as he is, at the first level of review. The Supreme Court might do it, IF the case ever gets there; but looking at the McKinnon saga, I wouldn&#039;t count on it ever happening for this treaty.

The current crop of idiotic, camera-friendly &quot;legislators&quot; should step up, grow a pair, and throw out the treaty... but they prefer to keep that US conference circuit warm and friendly, for when they&#039;re ready to step down, so hey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think judges care about justice, you don&#8217;t know much about the judicial system. Judges uphold the Law; in this case, they upheld the treaty lawfully ratified by the legislator. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not for the judge to throw out a crap law; certainly not this judge,  being, as he is, at the first level of review. The Supreme Court might do it, IF the case ever gets there; but looking at the McKinnon saga, I wouldn&#8217;t count on it ever happening for this treaty.</p>
<p>The current crop of idiotic, camera-friendly &#8220;legislators&#8221; should step up, grow a pair, and throw out the treaty&#8230; but they prefer to keep that US conference circuit warm and friendly, for when they&#8217;re ready to step down, so hey.</p>
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		<title>By: th_in_gs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320245</link>
		<dc:creator>th_in_gs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To properly attribute this, I didn&#039;t know how to find it myself, I found it in njs12345&#039;s  comment on the Hacker News comments for this article http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3465102</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To properly attribute this, I didn&#8217;t know how to find it myself, I found it in njs12345&#8242;s  comment on the Hacker News comments for this article <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3465102" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3465102</a></p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320237</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much.</p>
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		<title>By: th_in_gs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320231</link>
		<dc:creator>th_in_gs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ruling an be found here: http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/us-v-odwyer-ruling.pdf 

It&#039;s written quite plainly (and, I have to admit, reading it changed my opinion somewhat).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ruling an be found here: http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/us-v-odwyer-ruling.pdf </p>
<p>It&#8217;s written quite plainly (and, I have to admit, reading it changed my opinion somewhat).</p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320227</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points.

Maybe I&#039;m fuzzy and mistaken here, but hasn&#039;t O&#039;Dwyer already been found to be not guilty in the UK? That&#039;s what makes the extradition case to the US so interesting.

&lt;b&gt;Update&lt;/b&gt;: Here&#039;s the relevant snip from the BBC article.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Speaking before the hearing, Mr O&#039;Dwyer said he was &quot;surprised&quot; when police officers from the UK and America seized equipment at his home in South Yorkshire in November 2010.

&lt;b&gt;However, no criminal charges followed from the UK authorities.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;Why? Emphasis mine. I really don&#039;t understand why he&#039;s not being tried in the UK, and found either guilty or not guilty in his country of origin. Maybe I&#039;m missing something.

But yes,  beyond that matter, your broader points are absolutely right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m fuzzy and mistaken here, but hasn&#8217;t O&#8217;Dwyer already been found to be not guilty in the UK? That&#8217;s what makes the extradition case to the US so interesting.</p>
<p><b>Update</b>: Here&#8217;s the relevant snip from the BBC article.</p>
<blockquote><p>Speaking before the hearing, Mr O&#8217;Dwyer said he was &#8220;surprised&#8221; when police officers from the UK and America seized equipment at his home in South Yorkshire in November 2010.</p>
<p><b>However, no criminal charges followed from the UK authorities.</b>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Why? Emphasis mine. I really don&#8217;t understand why he&#8217;s not being tried in the UK, and found either guilty or not guilty in his country of origin. Maybe I&#8217;m missing something.</p>
<p>But yes,  beyond that matter, your broader points are absolutely right.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Beschizza</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320219</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Beschizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between this and insulting the king of Thailand or what-have-you seems clear: those things aren&#039;t crimes in the west. In this case, a U.K. judge has apparently ruled that what the guy did is a crime in the U.K. as well as the U.S  (however stupid the underlying law is). So *extradition* isn&#039;t really the problem, per se, but rather the outrageous thing he&#039;s being extradited for.

The &#039;assymetrical treaty/imperialism&#039; angle might be a bit of a red herring, a distraction from the worse problem of outrageous punishments for things like linking to torrent sites or trivial hacking offenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between this and insulting the king of Thailand or what-have-you seems clear: those things aren&#8217;t crimes in the west. In this case, a U.K. judge has apparently ruled that what the guy did is a crime in the U.K. as well as the U.S  (however stupid the underlying law is). So *extradition* isn&#8217;t really the problem, per se, but rather the outrageous thing he&#8217;s being extradited for.</p>
<p>The &#8216;assymetrical treaty/imperialism&#8217; angle might be a bit of a red herring, a distraction from the worse problem of outrageous punishments for things like linking to torrent sites or trivial hacking offenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Because Tony Blair literally adores George Bush&#039;s anus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, it&#039;s his best feature, innit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Because Tony Blair literally adores George Bush&#8217;s anus.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s his best feature, innit?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Nicoll</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320205</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Nicoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what Tim O&#039;Reilly posted in regards to piracy to be very illuminating: https://plus.google.com/107033731246200681024/posts/BEDukdz2B1r</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Tim O&#8217;Reilly posted in regards to piracy to be very illuminating: https://plus.google.com/107033731246200681024/posts/BEDukdz2B1r</p>
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		<title>By: Kristian Jones</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320168</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristian Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>U.S. mind your own business! hes a UK citizen, with his host in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U.S. mind your own business! hes a UK citizen, with his host in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320159</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a concept of judicial review in the UK? Can a court through out a bad law, and if so, on what grounds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a concept of judicial review in the UK? Can a court through out a bad law, and if so, on what grounds?</p>
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		<title>By: stuzy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320146</link>
		<dc:creator>stuzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>groan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>groan</p>
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		<title>By: stuzy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320145</link>
		<dc:creator>stuzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is our &#039;special&#039; relationship at work. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is our &#8216;special&#8217; relationship at work. </p>
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		<title>By: steveboyett</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320140</link>
		<dc:creator>steveboyett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can always hope that his lawyer is as cogent and articulate as you are. It would be absolutely wonderful if this turned on the plaintiff and they were held to account for the hypocritical, inconsistent, harassing, lying, and politically manipulative bastards they are. 

If it goes to trial (which I doubt), I think his lawyer will win the case based on the Google argument alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can always hope that his lawyer is as cogent and articulate as you are. It would be absolutely wonderful if this turned on the plaintiff and they were held to account for the hypocritical, inconsistent, harassing, lying, and politically manipulative bastards they are. </p>
<p>If it goes to trial (which I doubt), I think his lawyer will win the case based on the Google argument alone.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas vesely</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas vesely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i found some withered testicles on the beach, here in australia.
they belong to britain.
anyone want them returned ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i found some withered testicles on the beach, here in australia.<br />
they belong to britain.<br />
anyone want them returned ?</p>
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		<title>By: rrh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320113</link>
		<dc:creator>rrh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the very least, your analogy should be the guy who made the bullets. There are some legal uses for bullets, but it&#039;s not quite as general-purpose as metal. He compared himself to Google, and Google is more like the lead mine in terms of how general-purpose the search engine is.

However, if the guy was tried and let off by a UK court, it&#039;s bullshit to extradite him to another country just because that country might find him guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the very least, your analogy should be the guy who made the bullets. There are some legal uses for bullets, but it&#8217;s not quite as general-purpose as metal. He compared himself to Google, and Google is more like the lead mine in terms of how general-purpose the search engine is.</p>
<p>However, if the guy was tried and let off by a UK court, it&#8217;s bullshit to extradite him to another country just because that country might find him guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: Sagodjur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1320022</link>
		<dc:creator>Sagodjur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to need a citation for the claim that &quot;Revenue for these creators, artists, writers, goes toward zero quickly...as does their incentive to create...&quot;

The music and movie industries are growing. More content is being published that ever before. Yes, individual profits for big acts are down in some cases, but those are the big millionaire bands. More diverse artists are able to make a living at their art than before. The money is just getting spread amongst more artists, so its a smaller share for each, which is a good thing.

And what is more indicative of the problem is that the profits of the middlemen who don&#039;t make any art are still strong. If the artists aren&#039;t doing well but their studios are, its because the studios have spent decades learning how to screw over artists. See also, Hollywood accounting practices and record label contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to need a citation for the claim that &#8220;Revenue for these creators, artists, writers, goes toward zero quickly&#8230;as does their incentive to create&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The music and movie industries are growing. More content is being published that ever before. Yes, individual profits for big acts are down in some cases, but those are the big millionaire bands. More diverse artists are able to make a living at their art than before. The money is just getting spread amongst more artists, so its a smaller share for each, which is a good thing.</p>
<p>And what is more indicative of the problem is that the profits of the middlemen who don&#8217;t make any art are still strong. If the artists aren&#8217;t doing well but their studios are, its because the studios have spent decades learning how to screw over artists. See also, Hollywood accounting practices and record label contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/british-man-who-hosted-site-wi.html#comment-1319982</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a fantastic, well-thought-out, well-articulated comment, Keith. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a fantastic, well-thought-out, well-articulated comment, Keith. </p>
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		<title>By: beslayed</title>
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		<dc:creator>beslayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No extradition without representation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No extradition without representation.</p>
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