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		<title>By: Terrin Bell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1323688</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrin Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo. If a Google manager anywhere in the world authorized or encouraged this behavior, Google is guilty of engaging in this behavior. Google is a collective of people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo. If a Google manager anywhere in the world authorized or encouraged this behavior, Google is guilty of engaging in this behavior. Google is a collective of people. </p>
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		<title>By: Terrin Bell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1323682</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrin Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask Joe Paterno about following the letter of the law (e.g. reporting to his supervisors suspected child abuse). Even though he followed the letter of the law, he was scorned, and fired. 

By embracing a phrase, &quot;Don&#039;t be Evil&quot; Google decided to hold itself up to a higher standard. It is failing miserably. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask Joe Paterno about following the letter of the law (e.g. reporting to his supervisors suspected child abuse). Even though he followed the letter of the law, he was scorned, and fired. </p>
<p>By embracing a phrase, &#8220;Don&#8217;t be Evil&#8221; Google decided to hold itself up to a higher standard. It is failing miserably. </p>
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		<title>By: Terrin Bell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1323678</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrin Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sentiment that a corporation&#039;s main purpose is to maximize shareholder value is a maxim brought about by Jack Welsh back in the early eighties. Creating shareholder value, however, isn&#039;t a legal requirement. Many Corporations, especially those pre eighties, would tell you a companies main purpose was to serve it&#039;s customers. 

Some people who use Google services make the mistake of thinking they are Google&#039;s customers when in fact they are the product. Google sells the users of its products information to its real customers,  advertising companies. 

Regardless, a company is generally (but not always) held liable for the actions of its employees. Google taking the work of others without permission or compensation seems to be an ingrained corporate Moto. If Google didn&#039;t specifically direct the behavior, through its own actions it encouraged such behavior. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sentiment that a corporation&#8217;s main purpose is to maximize shareholder value is a maxim brought about by Jack Welsh back in the early eighties. Creating shareholder value, however, isn&#8217;t a legal requirement. Many Corporations, especially those pre eighties, would tell you a companies main purpose was to serve it&#8217;s customers. </p>
<p>Some people who use Google services make the mistake of thinking they are Google&#8217;s customers when in fact they are the product. Google sells the users of its products information to its real customers,  advertising companies. </p>
<p>Regardless, a company is generally (but not always) held liable for the actions of its employees. Google taking the work of others without permission or compensation seems to be an ingrained corporate Moto. If Google didn&#8217;t specifically direct the behavior, through its own actions it encouraged such behavior. </p>
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		<title>By: Palomino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319998</link>
		<dc:creator>Palomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a major figurehead states &quot;We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites&quot; you can be guaranteed their OWN investigation uncovered the (scam).  He doesn&#039;t say &quot;may have, might be&quot;, or &quot;allegedly&quot;, his response is solid in the affirmative. Therefore, there should be no arguments surrounding the validity of 
Mocality’s  claim, Mattos&#039;s response confirms it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a major figurehead states &#8220;We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites&#8221; you can be guaranteed their OWN investigation uncovered the (scam).  He doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;may have, might be&#8221;, or &#8220;allegedly&#8221;, his response is solid in the affirmative. Therefore, there should be no arguments surrounding the validity of <br />
Mocality’s  claim, Mattos&#8217;s response confirms it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Alai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319994</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Alai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mocality Should not Play Victim, they Also Scrape Data and Fake Listings   http://www.techmtaa.com/2012/01/14/mocality-should-not-play-victim-they-also-scrape-data-and-fake-listings/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mocality Should not Play Victim, they Also Scrape Data and Fake Listings   <a href="http://www.techmtaa.com/2012/01/14/mocality-should-not-play-victim-they-also-scrape-data-and-fake-listings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techmtaa.com/2012/01/14/mocality-should-not-play-victim-they-also-scrape-data-and-fake-listings/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tobi Oremade</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319877</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobi Oremade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTH!! i can&#039;t believe this
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTH!! i can&#8217;t believe this</p>
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		<title>By: Terrence Andrew Davis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319675</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrence Andrew Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God&#039;s just.  God says, &quot;Power sloth displacing prairienet supplied tolerated inanimate 
flying commenders descend willingly destroyers &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God&#8217;s just.  God says, &#8220;Power sloth displacing prairienet supplied tolerated inanimate<br />
flying commenders descend willingly destroyers &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: aliaras</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319645</link>
		<dc:creator>aliaras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do most firms own call centers outright, or do they have some kind of contract? A friend of mine works at a call center near me, and as I understand it they support a number of products there. If a scammer contacted them for work claiming to be from Google Kenya, would that get checked?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do most firms own call centers outright, or do they have some kind of contract? A friend of mine works at a call center near me, and as I understand it they support a number of products there. If a scammer contacted them for work claiming to be from Google Kenya, would that get checked?</p>
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		<title>By: aliaras</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319641</link>
		<dc:creator>aliaras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the scammers are making real websites on GKBO -- that&#039;s doable and it looks like there&#039;s an easy tool to be able to do that -- and then charging the &quot;hosting fee&quot; for something which costs no money for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the scammers are making real websites on GKBO &#8212; that&#8217;s doable and it looks like there&#8217;s an easy tool to be able to do that &#8212; and then charging the &#8220;hosting fee&#8221; for something which costs no money for them.</p>
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		<title>By: colormedisappointed</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319622</link>
		<dc:creator>colormedisappointed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should any of your agents be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should any of your agents be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: semiotix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319588</link>
		<dc:creator>semiotix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, they were both wrong. Still, I do think those are pretty plausible explanations, given what we knew way back when. And at the risk of being wrong &lt;i&gt;yet again&lt;/i&gt;, I&#039;ll predict that when the dust settles we&#039;ll find that this does not go particularly high on the Google org chart.

Google&#039;s one of those companies where saying anything either way makes you a straight up hater or a pathetic fanboi white knight. But while gigantic richer-than-God corporations can be both crazy and evil, they just aren&#039;t &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; kind of crazy or evil. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, they were both wrong. Still, I do think those are pretty plausible explanations, given what we knew way back when. And at the risk of being wrong <i>yet again</i>, I&#8217;ll predict that when the dust settles we&#8217;ll find that this does not go particularly high on the Google org chart.</p>
<p>Google&#8217;s one of those companies where saying anything either way makes you a straight up hater or a pathetic fanboi white knight. But while gigantic richer-than-God corporations can be both crazy and evil, they just aren&#8217;t <i>this</i> kind of crazy or evil. </p>
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		<title>By: aliaras</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319537</link>
		<dc:creator>aliaras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they, though? I read the transcript and clicked through to the GKBO page. GKBO provides only .kbo.co.ke addresses for free, *not* .co.ke addresses as the caller was promising (&quot;custom addresses&quot;, which I assume are .co.ke, are Ksh 1,000 through GKBO, not 200/mo) . Also, GKBO seems to require making your own website (through some kind of automated wizard), instead of designing it for you.

They could very well be scammers profiting off Google by using GKBO -- creating a bunch of free websites using easy tools and then reselling them. That makes them a bunch of profit for 10m spent putting some things in a web page.

Second, those access patterns are pretty weird for a business which is built around automatically scraping content on the internet. As the post says, it looks like humans, not robots. Why would Google use humans to do something a computer could do much better, especially something within their specialty?

I&#039;m skeptical, but not convinced either way. Specifically, the G+ post from Google about it is weird -- they&#039;re not saying it&#039;s a bunch of scammers, at least not yet. Also, I don&#039;t know if the Google IP could be spoofed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they, though? I read the transcript and clicked through to the GKBO page. GKBO provides only .kbo.co.ke addresses for free, *not* .co.ke addresses as the caller was promising (&#8220;custom addresses&#8221;, which I assume are .co.ke, are Ksh 1,000 through GKBO, not 200/mo) . Also, GKBO seems to require making your own website (through some kind of automated wizard), instead of designing it for you.</p>
<p>They could very well be scammers profiting off Google by using GKBO &#8212; creating a bunch of free websites using easy tools and then reselling them. That makes them a bunch of profit for 10m spent putting some things in a web page.</p>
<p>Second, those access patterns are pretty weird for a business which is built around automatically scraping content on the internet. As the post says, it looks like humans, not robots. Why would Google use humans to do something a computer could do much better, especially something within their specialty?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m skeptical, but not convinced either way. Specifically, the G+ post from Google about it is weird &#8212; they&#8217;re not saying it&#8217;s a bunch of scammers, at least not yet. Also, I don&#8217;t know if the Google IP could be spoofed.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319492</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moral of this thread seems to be that geeks root for their favorite corporations the way that jocks root for their favorite sports teams (which are, of course, also just corporations.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moral of this thread seems to be that geeks root for their favorite corporations the way that jocks root for their favorite sports teams (which are, of course, also just corporations.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt A. Myers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319481</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt A. Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AlanStrangis:disqus - Can&#039;t reply to your comment below so doing so here..

What I was trying to infer is that you&#039;re expecting that &#039;Google&#039; as a massive entity is purposely allowing this to happen, instead of allowing the assumption (valid as your own assumption) that this wasn&#039;t a malicious purposeful act by All of Google, and trying to imply that it runs rampant within the company. It&#039;s an easy way to get support when generalizing and good-versus-evil&#039;ing things.

Here&#039;s Google&#039;s current response: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AlanStrangis:disqus - Can&#8217;t reply to your comment below so doing so here..</p>
<p>What I was trying to infer is that you&#8217;re expecting that &#8216;Google&#8217; as a massive entity is purposely allowing this to happen, instead of allowing the assumption (valid as your own assumption) that this wasn&#8217;t a malicious purposeful act by All of Google, and trying to imply that it runs rampant within the company. It&#8217;s an easy way to get support when generalizing and good-versus-evil&#8217;ing things.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Google&#8217;s current response: <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ" rel="nofollow">https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt A. Myers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319479</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt A. Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most businesses have the same bullshit associated with them. Businesses are for profit and save their own asses, nothing more. That doesn&#039;t mean everything is maliciously done. &quot;Profits&quot; aren&#039;t good for society and business isn&#039;t good for the soul - but they exist because organization is needed.

Google is doing business within the boundaries that law and society currently has set, but I believe you will find a heart somewhere in the big engine of theirs - and it&#039;s noticeable compared to other large companies like Facebook who blatantly do things people don&#039;t want, repeatedly, primarily around trust/privacy - which is arguably the most important thing a person has.

&quot;Multiple Month Long Fraud&quot; -- The higher-ups might not have even known about this until Mocality raised their voice. Unless you&#039;re privy to their structures, a simple assumption that could be made is that it was one or a few offices managed by an individual, who perhaps reported to another individual, who reports to other people about the progress..

Yup - Google&#039;s big so you hear about it. You mention &quot;there are many large corporations who still have the slightest bit of ethics and integrity,&quot; though just following it you mention &quot;Imagine all the other bullshit going on there that hasn&#039;t even been brought to light&quot; - which truthfully can be applied to every other &#039;ethical&#039; business you&#039;re purporting exist in the purest way possible; Of course some exist but they too can have dirt and you not know about it.

Final note - Calling me a Google fanboy you immediately diminished yourself to a name-caller, pretty lame argument tactic.

Here&#039;s Google&#039;s current response: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most businesses have the same bullshit associated with them. Businesses are for profit and save their own asses, nothing more. That doesn&#8217;t mean everything is maliciously done. &#8220;Profits&#8221; aren&#8217;t good for society and business isn&#8217;t good for the soul &#8211; but they exist because organization is needed.</p>
<p>Google is doing business within the boundaries that law and society currently has set, but I believe you will find a heart somewhere in the big engine of theirs &#8211; and it&#8217;s noticeable compared to other large companies like Facebook who blatantly do things people don&#8217;t want, repeatedly, primarily around trust/privacy &#8211; which is arguably the most important thing a person has.</p>
<p>&#8220;Multiple Month Long Fraud&#8221; &#8212; The higher-ups might not have even known about this until Mocality raised their voice. Unless you&#8217;re privy to their structures, a simple assumption that could be made is that it was one or a few offices managed by an individual, who perhaps reported to another individual, who reports to other people about the progress..</p>
<p>Yup &#8211; Google&#8217;s big so you hear about it. You mention &#8220;there are many large corporations who still have the slightest bit of ethics and integrity,&#8221; though just following it you mention &#8220;Imagine all the other bullshit going on there that hasn&#8217;t even been brought to light&#8221; &#8211; which truthfully can be applied to every other &#8216;ethical&#8217; business you&#8217;re purporting exist in the purest way possible; Of course some exist but they too can have dirt and you not know about it.</p>
<p>Final note &#8211; Calling me a Google fanboy you immediately diminished yourself to a name-caller, pretty lame argument tactic.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Google&#8217;s current response: <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ" rel="nofollow">https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ</a></p>
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		<title>By: adrianoconnor</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrianoconnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; There are at least two plausible explanations...

And they&#039;d both be wrong, it seems.

There are probably more facts to come, but Google&#039;s statement in the update seems to confirm the allegations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; There are at least two plausible explanations&#8230;</p>
<p>And they&#8217;d both be wrong, it seems.</p>
<p>There are probably more facts to come, but Google&#8217;s statement in the update seems to confirm the allegations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mumbi Kaptere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mumbi Kaptere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google has issued a Mea Culpa so all the sceptics on this thread really need to rethink.

 The fact that this is a small Kenyan business, does not make it LESS likely that a corporate titan like Google may seek to take liberties (even via a proxy), it makes it MORE so. Wake up and smell corporate coffee people.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google has issued a Mea Culpa so all the sceptics on this thread really need to rethink.</p>
<p> The fact that this is a small Kenyan business, does not make it LESS likely that a corporate titan like Google may seek to take liberties (even via a proxy), it makes it MORE so. Wake up and smell corporate coffee people.</p>
<p><a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ" rel="nofollow">https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rondot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Rondot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for interesting (original) news, looking forward to update 4 :)</description>
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		<title>By: Herding_sheep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herding_sheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh oh, Google fanboy coming to defend his idols. If you read the entire post by Mocality, you&#039;ll see that this was an operating going on in two different continents. As the CEO of Mocality said, they would have originally assumed this was just a small band of employees involved, but when they realized this was an operation going on in two different continents, that immediately proves otherwise.

So, yes, Google is a big company and not every action can be monitored inside the company. But this was a months long fraud operation in two different regions of Google. This isn&#039;t just a small rogue team, this was something being perpetrated higher up in Google. Obviously not at the CEO level, but fairly high up.

People like you who will defend every single slimy tactic of Google need to pull their heads out of the sand. The &quot;Don&#039;t be evil&quot; motto is complete bullshit. 5 years ago I believed it, but not anymore. Not only is Google NOT an ethical company, they are actually one of the most unethical &quot;evil&quot; companies in corporate America.

And their size has nothing to do with it. There are many large corporations who still have the slightest bit of ethics and integrity. They have quickly become today what Microsoft was like in the 90s. Anticompetitive, engaging is questionable antitrust behavior, and highly unethical. Remember what they also did to Skyhook? Imagine all the other bullshit going on there that hasn&#039;t even been brought to light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh, Google fanboy coming to defend his idols. If you read the entire post by Mocality, you&#8217;ll see that this was an operating going on in two different continents. As the CEO of Mocality said, they would have originally assumed this was just a small band of employees involved, but when they realized this was an operation going on in two different continents, that immediately proves otherwise.</p>
<p>So, yes, Google is a big company and not every action can be monitored inside the company. But this was a months long fraud operation in two different regions of Google. This isn&#8217;t just a small rogue team, this was something being perpetrated higher up in Google. Obviously not at the CEO level, but fairly high up.</p>
<p>People like you who will defend every single slimy tactic of Google need to pull their heads out of the sand. The &#8220;Don&#8217;t be evil&#8221; motto is complete bullshit. 5 years ago I believed it, but not anymore. Not only is Google NOT an ethical company, they are actually one of the most unethical &#8220;evil&#8221; companies in corporate America.</p>
<p>And their size has nothing to do with it. There are many large corporations who still have the slightest bit of ethics and integrity. They have quickly become today what Microsoft was like in the 90s. Anticompetitive, engaging is questionable antitrust behavior, and highly unethical. Remember what they also did to Skyhook? Imagine all the other bullshit going on there that hasn&#8217;t even been brought to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Hart</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319385</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. And I thought I was a bad Apple Fanboyzors. So many posters here will invent ANY possible story to protect their beloved Google from some pretty clear cut evidence. Yeah, this Mocality is a company that could be lying. They could be making all of this up. But this isn&#039;t some 30 year old guy living out of his parents basement that blogged this. This is one of the largest internet companies in Africa. The CEO personally put his name and reputation on the line.

Now Google has responded and confirmed that their company (perhaps unknowingly), has defintely had a hand in this ordeal. Where are your convoluted descriptions of a &quot;hacker&quot; who ONLY is attempting to sell Google products who has committed fraud and deception?

And then to use Occam&#039;s Razor.......LOL.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. And I thought I was a bad Apple Fanboyzors. So many posters here will invent ANY possible story to protect their beloved Google from some pretty clear cut evidence. Yeah, this Mocality is a company that could be lying. They could be making all of this up. But this isn&#8217;t some 30 year old guy living out of his parents basement that blogged this. This is one of the largest internet companies in Africa. The CEO personally put his name and reputation on the line.</p>
<p>Now Google has responded and confirmed that their company (perhaps unknowingly), has defintely had a hand in this ordeal. Where are your convoluted descriptions of a &#8220;hacker&#8221; who ONLY is attempting to sell Google products who has committed fraud and deception?</p>
<p>And then to use Occam&#8217;s Razor&#8230;&#8230;.LOL&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: JasonDiaz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319379</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonDiaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A rogue Google contracter&quot;, nice spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A rogue Google contracter&#8221;, nice spin.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonDiaz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319373</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonDiaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t the first time nor the last, this is how Google rolls </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t the first time nor the last, this is how Google rolls </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319376</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You&#039;re more likely to believe that a conspiracy of fraudulent activity has been officially proposed and executed by several of google&#039;s employees and management...&lt;/blockquote&gt;Because if we&#039;ve learned anything from the banking crisis, it&#039;s that managers never deliberately set out to....oh, wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You&#8217;re more likely to believe that a conspiracy of fraudulent activity has been officially proposed and executed by several of google&#8217;s employees and management&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Because if we&#8217;ve learned anything from the banking crisis, it&#8217;s that managers never deliberately set out to&#8230;.oh, wait.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonDiaz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319369</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonDiaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you need to know is exactly what Google said about the privacy breach scandal, &quot;mortified&quot;. Standard M.O. at Google. 

Not hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you need to know is exactly what Google said about the privacy breach scandal, &#8220;mortified&#8221;. Standard M.O. at Google. </p>
<p>Not hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel James</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319363</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefan Magdalinski is quite well known in London tech circles - he was involved with mysociety and moo.com. If nothing else, he deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan Magdalinski is quite well known in London tech circles - he was involved with mysociety and moo.com. If nothing else, he deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: AlanStrangis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319339</link>
		<dc:creator>AlanStrangis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Google did was call those database listings and misrepresented themselves by saying that they were operating in partnership with Mocality, which is untrue.

The source link...
http://blog.mocality.co.ke/2012/01/13/google-what-were-you-thinking/
includes two recorded phonecalls from Google employees, as well as a transcript from another one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Google did was call those database listings and misrepresented themselves by saying that they were operating in partnership with Mocality, which is untrue.</p>
<p>The source link&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://blog.mocality.co.ke/2012/01/13/google-what-were-you-thinking/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mocality.co.ke/2012/01/13/google-what-were-you-thinking/</a><br />
includes two recorded phonecalls from Google employees, as well as a transcript from another one.</p>
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		<title>By: moshthepitt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319294</link>
		<dc:creator>moshthepitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL you clearly have NO idea what you are talking about!!  kbo.co.ke is a &quot;Google Product&quot;!!!!

Proof: http://thenextweb.com/africa/2011/09/12/google-launches-program-to-help-get-kenyan-business-online/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL you clearly have NO idea what you are talking about!!  kbo.co.ke is a &#8220;Google Product&#8221;!!!!</p>
<p>Proof: http://thenextweb.com/africa/2011/09/12/google-launches-program-to-help-get-kenyan-business-online/</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Popp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319293</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney Popp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay I&#039;m not the most technical person, but I&#039;m not completely understanding what the issue is here (other than the alleged slander re: bait-and-switch). The point of Mocality, it seems, is to list contact information for Kenyan businesses. It looks like Google (if it was Google, and I doubt it would be considering they&#039;re good enough at this internet stuff to not get caught doing something like this) created some sort of script that trawled the content of the Mocality website for contact information for businesses, and then called them offering a completely different service than what Mocality offered. 

It&#039;s like if I wrote a script that searched YellowPages.com or whatever for business info and offered to design and host a site for those businesses. YellowPages exists to get business information to consumers and other segments of the public at large. 

So, maybe I&#039;m being unforgivably dense, but what&#039;s the real issue, here? It looks like whoever used Mocality for the purpose it is trying to serve - getting business information to the public.

Is it the portion of Mocality&#039;s data that was trawled? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay I&#8217;m not the most technical person, but I&#8217;m not completely understanding what the issue is here (other than the alleged slander re: bait-and-switch). The point of Mocality, it seems, is to list contact information for Kenyan businesses. It looks like Google (if it was Google, and I doubt it would be considering they&#8217;re good enough at this internet stuff to not get caught doing something like this) created some sort of script that trawled the content of the Mocality website for contact information for businesses, and then called them offering a completely different service than what Mocality offered. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like if I wrote a script that searched YellowPages.com or whatever for business info and offered to design and host a site for those businesses. YellowPages exists to get business information to consumers and other segments of the public at large. </p>
<p>So, maybe I&#8217;m being unforgivably dense, but what&#8217;s the real issue, here? It looks like whoever used Mocality for the purpose it is trying to serve &#8211; getting business information to the public.</p>
<p>Is it the portion of Mocality&#8217;s data that was trawled? </p>
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		<title>By: rsk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319254</link>
		<dc:creator>rsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the transcript or listened to the call because -- if we&#039;re operating under the hypothesis that they&#039;re scammers -- then nothing they say has any value as evidence.  NOTHING.  They could be anyone, calling from anywhere, saying anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the transcript or listened to the call because &#8212; if we&#8217;re operating under the hypothesis that they&#8217;re scammers &#8212; then nothing they say has any value as evidence.  NOTHING.  They could be anyone, calling from anywhere, saying anything.</p>
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		<title>By: rpmf</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-fraudulently-solicits-f.html#comment-1319240</link>
		<dc:creator>rpmf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because Google can register domains, doesn&#039;t mean they sanction them.$ whois  kbo.co.ke
...
Billing Contact:
Name: EAC Directory
Organisation: EAC Directory Limited
Address:
	Kiungani Road, OFF Mombasa Road
	Opposite Nation Newspapers
	Next to Mastermind
	Nairobi P.O. Box 3543- 00200
	KE
Email Address: info@EACDIRECTORY.COM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because Google can register domains, doesn&#8217;t mean they sanction them.$ whois  kbo.co.ke<br />
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Billing Contact:<br />
Name: EAC Directory<br />
Organisation: EAC Directory Limited<br />
Address:<br />
	Kiungani Road, OFF Mombasa Road<br />
	Opposite Nation Newspapers<br />
	Next to Mastermind<br />
	Nairobi P.O. Box 3543- 00200<br />
	KE<br />
Email Address: <a href="mailto:info@EACDIRECTORY.COM">info@EACDIRECTORY.COM</a></p>
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