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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1326311</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it is NOT a grey area.  You are guilty if an employee is working  &quot;off the clock&quot;.....whether you as the employer knew and condoned it, or if you didn&#039;t know.  You can&#039;t tolerate insubordination in this area at all...the penalties are simply too severe for the employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it is NOT a grey area.  You are guilty if an employee is working  &#8220;off the clock&#8221;&#8230;..whether you as the employer knew and condoned it, or if you didn&#8217;t know.  You can&#8217;t tolerate insubordination in this area at all&#8230;the penalties are simply too severe for the employer.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You (and many others are missing the point:  It is a violation of FSLA and the Labor laws of many states to permit a non-exempt employee to fail to  take a legally mandated bread (lunch, other breaks).  

The penalties for the employer are draconian. So, when this woman refused to follow instructions to obey government regulations, exposing the employer to serious penalties, what would you have the employer do?

Labor law and regulation are among the least flexible to be found anywhere; there&#039;s no give among the regulators.

I&#039;m a little surprised that Illinois denied her UE...in most cases in many states the employer gets hit no matter what.  I once had to fire an employee for significant theft, which was admitted.  California granted UE anyhow; when I appealed, the administrative law judge who conducted the appeal opened the discussion with &quot;Why are you bothering with this?  You can&#039;t win this.&quot;  I did, but had to take it out of the bureaucracy to the courts.

Every UE claim granted is charged to the employer, and can significantly raise the  UE premiums.  So yes, a rational employer should resist UE claims that are rooted in employee misconduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You (and many others are missing the point:  It is a violation of FSLA and the Labor laws of many states to permit a non-exempt employee to fail to  take a legally mandated bread (lunch, other breaks).  </p>
<p>The penalties for the employer are draconian. So, when this woman refused to follow instructions to obey government regulations, exposing the employer to serious penalties, what would you have the employer do?</p>
<p>Labor law and regulation are among the least flexible to be found anywhere; there&#8217;s no give among the regulators.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised that Illinois denied her UE&#8230;in most cases in many states the employer gets hit no matter what.  I once had to fire an employee for significant theft, which was admitted.  California granted UE anyhow; when I appealed, the administrative law judge who conducted the appeal opened the discussion with &#8220;Why are you bothering with this?  You can&#8217;t win this.&#8221;  I did, but had to take it out of the bureaucracy to the courts.</p>
<p>Every UE claim granted is charged to the employer, and can significantly raise the  UE premiums.  So yes, a rational employer should resist UE claims that are rooted in employee misconduct.</p>
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		<title>By: jdpruett</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1326155</link>
		<dc:creator>jdpruett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And anyway, the linked article says that the insubordination &quot;happened in a four minute meeting&quot; with HR.  She said something in the meeting, they labelled it as insubordination and fired her. 
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Maybe they did try to get her to sign something that said she was aware of said policy, was working over lunch on her own accord against company policy, and refused to sign it, thus leading to the termination? That would account for the 4 minute HR meeting. Your idea of &quot;putting a reprimand in her file, and giving her a warning not to do it again.&quot; doesn&#039;t work if the employee refuses to agree in writing to that. Then you have little option other than to fire them.

Wage and hour suits are no joke. I actually work for a place where we have tangential involvement in these suits (in determining $ liabilities, basically) and I really can&#039;t hold it against employers who maintain very strict policies for non-exempt employees. Putting a warning in a file just conveniently documents the fact that unpaid work was going on and that management was aware of it for the next plaintiff attorney who comes along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And anyway, the linked article says that the insubordination &#8220;happened in a four minute meeting&#8221; with HR.  She said something in the meeting, they labelled it as insubordination and fired her.<br />
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Maybe they did try to get her to sign something that said she was aware of said policy, was working over lunch on her own accord against company policy, and refused to sign it, thus leading to the termination? That would account for the 4 minute HR meeting. Your idea of &#8220;putting a reprimand in her file, and giving her a warning not to do it again.&#8221; doesn&#8217;t work if the employee refuses to agree in writing to that. Then you have little option other than to fire them.</p>
<p>Wage and hour suits are no joke. I actually work for a place where we have tangential involvement in these suits (in determining $ liabilities, basically) and I really can&#8217;t hold it against employers who maintain very strict policies for non-exempt employees. Putting a warning in a file just conveniently documents the fact that unpaid work was going on and that management was aware of it for the next plaintiff attorney who comes along.</p>
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		<title>By: johnb78</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnb78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a real estate agency. You don&#039;t even need the ruling to come to that conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a real estate agency. You don&#8217;t even need the ruling to come to that conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: agthorn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1325559</link>
		<dc:creator>agthorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, was going to say this as well. At my company non-exempt employees are required to take lunch and personal breaks (I think it&#039;s 30 minutes for lunch and 2 15-minute breaks) and they are also strictly forbidden from activities such as checking work e-mail or calls when they&#039;re not on the clock unless they have prior authorization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, was going to say this as well. At my company non-exempt employees are required to take lunch and personal breaks (I think it&#8217;s 30 minutes for lunch and 2 15-minute breaks) and they are also strictly forbidden from activities such as checking work e-mail or calls when they&#8217;re not on the clock unless they have prior authorization.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffety</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1325458</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This company may be more despicable, yet. I believe that, for her benefits to be denied after she appealed, the company had to *contest* her getting the benefits, or at least insist that she was fired for cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This company may be more despicable, yet. I believe that, for her benefits to be denied after she appealed, the company had to *contest* her getting the benefits, or at least insist that she was fired for cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaye Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaye Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott: I was a manager for a bookstore chain. I would have written you up, too. It isn&#039;t that we love books any less or don&#039;t appreciate what you&#039;re trying to do, but that your well-intentioned helpfulness has unintended and potentially severe repercussions for the company as a whole. 

&quot;We love you. Stop that.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott: I was a manager for a bookstore chain. I would have written you up, too. It isn&#8217;t that we love books any less or don&#8217;t appreciate what you&#8217;re trying to do, but that your well-intentioned helpfulness has unintended and potentially severe repercussions for the company as a whole. </p>
<p>&#8220;We love you. Stop that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaye Thompson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1325239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaye Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Workman&#039;s Comp plays into this as well: if she&#039;d been injured while &quot;voluntarily&quot;  working off the clock, that presents a liability to the company. Again, how do you prove she volunteered to work, rather than being coerced?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Workman&#8217;s Comp plays into this as well: if she&#8217;d been injured while &#8220;voluntarily&#8221;  working off the clock, that presents a liability to the company. Again, how do you prove she volunteered to work, rather than being coerced?</p>
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		<title>By: Won Word</title>
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		<dc:creator>Won Word</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I hear you. Best thing is to move on when you encounter toxic management; it&#039;ll never get better and oftentimes get worse.

The best revenge is taking your skills, tools and talent to a place that will appreciate them and you.  Your former company has one less skilled employee AND the toxic management (and in your case, the creep)  that costs money as it drags down productivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I hear you. Best thing is to move on when you encounter toxic management; it&#8217;ll never get better and oftentimes get worse.</p>
<p>The best revenge is taking your skills, tools and talent to a place that will appreciate them and you.  Your former company has one less skilled employee AND the toxic management (and in your case, the creep)  that costs money as it drags down productivity.</p>
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		<title>By: Won Word</title>
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		<dc:creator>Won Word</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theoretically it works the other way, too. An employee can quit at any time, without notice.

Since most laws favor companies, I&#039;m guessing the &quot;right-to-work&quot; is simply a way for the employer to dodge paying any kind of severance (CEOs exempted, of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theoretically it works the other way, too. An employee can quit at any time, without notice.</p>
<p>Since most laws favor companies, I&#8217;m guessing the &#8220;right-to-work&#8221; is simply a way for the employer to dodge paying any kind of severance (CEOs exempted, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: Blinkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blinkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not different than working into your lunch break at all.  If it happens at the end of the day instead of the middle it&#039;s still the exact same situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not different than working into your lunch break at all.  If it happens at the end of the day instead of the middle it&#8217;s still the exact same situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Fogbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And that&#039;s a good reason for explaining the policy to her, putting a reprimand in her file, and giving her a warning not to do it again.&quot;

Philosophically yes, and I agree with the sentiment. Unfortunately, that&#039;s not how the law works and as I understand it (I&#039;m not a lawyer) the liability to the company under FLSA exists in perpetuity.

Were I a lawyer for the company, I would advise that the company pay the employee for the overtime (eliminating the liability), ask the employee to sign an affidavit that she understands that working off the clock is a fire-able offense, and get on with their lives.

It&#039;s an unfortunate side effect of the law to be required to penalize good employees for going above and beyond. But the liability under FLSA can be too great (as xyzzy123) alluded.                                </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And that&#8217;s a good reason for explaining the policy to her, putting a reprimand in her file, and giving her a warning not to do it again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Philosophically yes, and I agree with the sentiment. Unfortunately, that&#8217;s not how the law works and as I understand it (I&#8217;m not a lawyer) the liability to the company under FLSA exists in perpetuity.</p>
<p>Were I a lawyer for the company, I would advise that the company pay the employee for the overtime (eliminating the liability), ask the employee to sign an affidavit that she understands that working off the clock is a fire-able offense, and get on with their lives.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an unfortunate side effect of the law to be required to penalize good employees for going above and beyond. But the liability under FLSA can be too great (as xyzzy123) alluded.                                </p>
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		<title>By: headcode</title>
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		<dc:creator>headcode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...that Illinois is a right-to-work state,...&quot;

That has got to be one of the greatest double-speak coups.  It really means right-t0-be-fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;that Illinois is a right-to-work state,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That has got to be one of the greatest double-speak coups.  It really means right-t0-be-fired.</p>
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		<title>By: juepucta</title>
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		<dc:creator>juepucta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish we could pass a law encouraging people, when they reach 14, to do a Rand-Mitzvah and renounce their Galt fantasies. Older people still believing that shit will have their copies of Atlas Shrugged used on them as suppositories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish we could pass a law encouraging people, when they reach 14, to do a Rand-Mitzvah and renounce their Galt fantasies. Older people still believing that shit will have their copies of Atlas Shrugged used on them as suppositories.</p>
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		<title>By: $19428857</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1324859</link>
		<dc:creator>$19428857</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear departed father was an HR guy for his whole career, First at GE, then Black &amp; Decker, last at Emerson Electric. I learned much about the HR mindset. Much of what a &quot;good&quot; HR manager does is document everything employees do that contravenes company policy, in other words, writing people up.  Dad said, &quot;You want to be able to fire your best person at a moment&#039;s notice if you need to, and make it stick.&quot;  It was important a &quot;good&quot; HR man  that everything he did to an employee would stand up to legal challenge. Sounds as if this woman had a manager who wanted her gone (I&#039;m guessing she didn&#039;t have &quot;front office appearance&quot; anymore) and wasn&#039;t patient enough to &quot;build a file&quot; against her. I&#039;d bet here were no other disciplinary actions noted in her employee file. Courts, as we have seen don&#039;t like that. And they shouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear departed father was an HR guy for his whole career, First at GE, then Black &amp; Decker, last at Emerson Electric. I learned much about the HR mindset. Much of what a &#8220;good&#8221; HR manager does is document everything employees do that contravenes company policy, in other words, writing people up.  Dad said, &#8220;You want to be able to fire your best person at a moment&#8217;s notice if you need to, and make it stick.&#8221;  It was important a &#8220;good&#8221; HR man  that everything he did to an employee would stand up to legal challenge. Sounds as if this woman had a manager who wanted her gone (I&#8217;m guessing she didn&#8217;t have &#8220;front office appearance&#8221; anymore) and wasn&#8217;t patient enough to &#8220;build a file&#8221; against her. I&#8217;d bet here were no other disciplinary actions noted in her employee file. Courts, as we have seen don&#8217;t like that. And they shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this case, yes, it&#039;s ridiculous, but OTOH if lunch breaks were optional it would be all to easy for an underhanded employer to coerce employees into &quot;choosing&quot; not to take them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case, yes, it&#8217;s ridiculous, but OTOH if lunch breaks were optional it would be all to easy for an underhanded employer to coerce employees into &#8220;choosing&#8221; not to take them.</p>
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		<title>By: soybeans</title>
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		<dc:creator>soybeans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever excuse works. The &quot;official&quot; reason I was terminated from my last job was for making a joking reference to the Illuminati. Apparently in California that creates a &quot;hostile environment&quot; if one&#039;s co-worker is a rabid conspiracy nut who also hates queers and Catholics. I wish I was making this up. 

In reality, I had spurned this creepy man&#039;s romantic overtures for years, and he was out for revenge. The whole company had recently been through harassment awareness training as required by California law, and he obviously took careful notes.

Why didn&#039;t I report him first? I didn&#039;t want to risk retaliation, or collateral damage -- someone who means a great deal to me was also working for the same company and would have been dragged into any scandal by the company&#039;s dysfunctional management. It&#039;s the same reason I chose not to fight it after I was terminated. It&#039;s also tough to get hired when a check of public records shows a history of suing previous employers. 

If creepy, paranoid conspiracy nut former co-worker is reading this, it&#039;s a shame about that limp weenie of yours, which one of your former girlfriends told me about over drinks not long ago, not to mention the son you rejected when you found out he was gay, and the wife who drank herself to death. For people like you, revenge is redundant. May you be haunted by loneliness, nightmares, and disease for this life and the eternity you have created for yourself. And by that ridiculous and pathetic personal ad you posted on (mercifully redacted dating site).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever excuse works. The &#8220;official&#8221; reason I was terminated from my last job was for making a joking reference to the Illuminati. Apparently in California that creates a &#8220;hostile environment&#8221; if one&#8217;s co-worker is a rabid conspiracy nut who also hates queers and Catholics. I wish I was making this up. </p>
<p>In reality, I had spurned this creepy man&#8217;s romantic overtures for years, and he was out for revenge. The whole company had recently been through harassment awareness training as required by California law, and he obviously took careful notes.</p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t I report him first? I didn&#8217;t want to risk retaliation, or collateral damage &#8212; someone who means a great deal to me was also working for the same company and would have been dragged into any scandal by the company&#8217;s dysfunctional management. It&#8217;s the same reason I chose not to fight it after I was terminated. It&#8217;s also tough to get hired when a check of public records shows a history of suing previous employers. </p>
<p>If creepy, paranoid conspiracy nut former co-worker is reading this, it&#8217;s a shame about that limp weenie of yours, which one of your former girlfriends told me about over drinks not long ago, not to mention the son you rejected when you found out he was gay, and the wife who drank herself to death. For people like you, revenge is redundant. May you be haunted by loneliness, nightmares, and disease for this life and the eternity you have created for yourself. And by that ridiculous and pathetic personal ad you posted on (mercifully redacted dating site).</p>
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		<title>By: Electro_Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Electro_Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ruling that her unemployment be retroactively reinstated leads me to believe that this company is run by shiftless POS scumholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ruling that her unemployment be retroactively reinstated leads me to believe that this company is run by shiftless POS scumholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you can&#039;t work during your mandatory lunch break, but if your a white collar worker, god help you if you object to doing your &quot;homework&quot; or try to get overtime pay because your boss doesn&#039;t know the definition of after hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you can&#8217;t work during your mandatory lunch break, but if your a white collar worker, god help you if you object to doing your &#8220;homework&#8221; or try to get overtime pay because your boss doesn&#8217;t know the definition of after hours.</p>
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		<title>By: ChicagoD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChicagoD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because we&#039;ve all been employees, and let me tell you, every job I had from 16 to 26 required coercion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because we&#8217;ve all been employees, and let me tell you, every job I had from 16 to 26 required coercion. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1324610</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she hadn&#039;t worked through her lunch break, she might have been fired for not getting her work done.  Companies have downsized.  Sometimes 8-hour employees have 9 hours of work to do.  cf. Pharaoh-bricks-straw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she hadn&#8217;t worked through her lunch break, she might have been fired for not getting her work done.  Companies have downsized.  Sometimes 8-hour employees have 9 hours of work to do.  cf. Pharaoh-bricks-straw.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1324607</link>
		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The employer worked her half to death, then fired her when they realized her deteriorating health was costing them a bundle on insurance. It happens constantly in the US. Just do a little basic research into stress-related illnesses in this country.

Good on her for forcing the sorry-ass company to pay up. Furthermore, her persistence and victory should make her a role model for any other hard workers out there who get shafted by their crappy employers. There IS recourse to the law. You do not have to simply lie down and let them use you up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The employer worked her half to death, then fired her when they realized her deteriorating health was costing them a bundle on insurance. It happens constantly in the US. Just do a little basic research into stress-related illnesses in this country.</p>
<p>Good on her for forcing the sorry-ass company to pay up. Furthermore, her persistence and victory should make her a role model for any other hard workers out there who get shafted by their crappy employers. There IS recourse to the law. You do not have to simply lie down and let them use you up.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1324598</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Genuinely interest, can you suffer a stroke due to stress?  If so I wasn&#039;t aware of this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Stress &gt;&gt;&gt; high blood pressure &gt;&gt;&gt; stroke.  Is that really arcane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Genuinely interest, can you suffer a stroke due to stress?  If so I wasn&#8217;t aware of this.</p></blockquote>
<p>Stress &gt;&gt;&gt; high blood pressure &gt;&gt;&gt; stroke.  Is that really arcane?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1324592</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why would someone who worked at a very stressful job NOT take an assigned break?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Only someone who&#039;s never had a very stressful job would ask that.  The answer is that you come back from your break with twice the work waiting for you and everybody standing around asking why it isn&#039;t done yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why would someone who worked at a very stressful job NOT take an assigned break?</p></blockquote>
<p>Only someone who&#8217;s never had a very stressful job would ask that.  The answer is that you come back from your break with twice the work waiting for you and everybody standing around asking why it isn&#8217;t done yet.</p>
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		<title>By: saurabh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1324584</link>
		<dc:creator>saurabh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is it worse than the system it replaced, in which employees were routinely denied lunch breaks at all and forced to work grueling hours in grueling conditions?&quot;

This is not the question you should be asking.

I well understand the circumstances that produced this absurdity, and why you are able to find a chain of justification for it. But here&#039;s one for you: why do you assume that &quot;workers&quot; need to be coerced at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is it worse than the system it replaced, in which employees were routinely denied lunch breaks at all and forced to work grueling hours in grueling conditions?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not the question you should be asking.</p>
<p>I well understand the circumstances that produced this absurdity, and why you are able to find a chain of justification for it. But here&#8217;s one for you: why do you assume that &#8220;workers&#8221; need to be coerced at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you suggested that there was no benefit to the company to fire her, suggesting she had to have been a poor employee, and I&#039;m pointing out one of the obvious and common reasons to get rid of veteran/good employees:  More profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you suggested that there was no benefit to the company to fire her, suggesting she had to have been a poor employee, and I&#8217;m pointing out one of the obvious and common reasons to get rid of veteran/good employees:  More profits.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rahm is trying to put the fork in them now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahm is trying to put the fork in them now.</p>
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		<title>By: bigorangemachine</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigorangemachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked for a place like this.
What it is, the management wants you to take &#039;A lunch&#039; so you are at your desk at 5:00 so they can &#039;capture&#039; you to work late or stop you from leaving.

If you skip your lunch, most people (sensible people) will try to leave an hour early &#039;Taking their lunch very late&#039;.

Thus when the boss wants to pin something on you at 5:00, your gone.

Its all stupid power trips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked for a place like this.<br />
What it is, the management wants you to take &#8216;A lunch&#8217; so you are at your desk at 5:00 so they can &#8216;capture&#8217; you to work late or stop you from leaving.</p>
<p>If you skip your lunch, most people (sensible people) will try to leave an hour early &#8216;Taking their lunch very late&#8217;.</p>
<p>Thus when the boss wants to pin something on you at 5:00, your gone.</p>
<p>Its all stupid power trips.</p>
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		<title>By: Tynam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/ten-year-employee-fired-for-sk.html#comment-1324559</link>
		<dc:creator>Tynam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual is medicine, the answer is... kinda. There is a correlation, but not proven causation, in some types of stroke.  Short form: Stress -&gt; increased blood pressure -&gt; increased stroke risk.

(Disclosure: I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual is medicine, the answer is&#8230; kinda. There is a correlation, but not proven causation, in some types of stroke.  Short form: Stress -&gt; increased blood pressure -&gt; increased stroke risk.</p>
<p>(Disclosure: I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jer_00</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jer_00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is why the courts agreed with her and not the company that gave the ridiculous assertions about why she should be denied benefits, right?

If she were being denied benefits for a legit reason, the company wouldn&#039;t have presented such weak sauce as they did.  It wouldn&#039;t have been news because there would have been an actual record with her TEN YEARS with the company that showed she deserved to be fired.  Not the four minute meeting with HR that got her fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is why the courts agreed with her and not the company that gave the ridiculous assertions about why she should be denied benefits, right?</p>
<p>If she were being denied benefits for a legit reason, the company wouldn&#8217;t have presented such weak sauce as they did.  It wouldn&#8217;t have been news because there would have been an actual record with her TEN YEARS with the company that showed she deserved to be fired.  Not the four minute meeting with HR that got her fired.</p>
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