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		<title>By: CCinBmore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1332263</link>
		<dc:creator>CCinBmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would enthusiastically add that there are a wide variety of excellent cured hams made right here in the US. Start here http://www.cookingissues.com/2010/10/28/country-ham-fantastica-our-hams-place-in-the-world/ to learn more (I sincerely hope that&#039;s the right link - their site seems to be down at the moment). I bought a Wigwam ham from Edwards of Surrey County (VA) for Christmas of 2010 http://www.toursurryva.com/edwardshamshoppe.html . It was incredible but I later discovered that they also have a Surryano (SP? - pun intended) with a longer cure period that is reportedly even more nom-worthy. This year my lovely wife bought me a ham from Col Newsom&#039;s in Kentucky http://www.newsomscountryham.com/ ; also excellent. It is being consumed a few delicate, fat-riddled slices at a time as it sits in a place of honor in the fridge. Should be gone by spring.

An important note on preparation. Both of the producers I mention above and nearly all the other cured ham producers in this country seem to want you to cook their hams. This is crazy. Total lunacy. If the ham comes with the appropriate USDA stamp then they&#039;ve been fully cured and are safe to eat with no cooking. As we yanks typically cure our hams slightly less time than the major European producers you&#039;ll get a ham that isn&#039;t as dry as you may be accustomed to (unless you cook it - then dry will rule the day). The Edward&#039;s Surryano is an exception - they don&#039;t instruct you to cook those.

Yes, I did marry well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would enthusiastically add that there are a wide variety of excellent cured hams made right here in the US. Start here <a href="http://www.cookingissues.com/2010/10/28/country-ham-fantastica-our-hams-place-in-the-world/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cookingissues.com/2010/10/28/country-ham-fantastica-our-hams-place-in-the-world/</a> to learn more (I sincerely hope that&#8217;s the right link &#8211; their site seems to be down at the moment). I bought a Wigwam ham from Edwards of Surrey County (VA) for Christmas of 2010 <a href="http://www.toursurryva.com/edwardshamshoppe.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.toursurryva.com/edwardshamshoppe.html</a> . It was incredible but I later discovered that they also have a Surryano (SP? &#8211; pun intended) with a longer cure period that is reportedly even more nom-worthy. This year my lovely wife bought me a ham from Col Newsom&#8217;s in Kentucky <a href="http://www.newsomscountryham.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsomscountryham.com/</a> ; also excellent. It is being consumed a few delicate, fat-riddled slices at a time as it sits in a place of honor in the fridge. Should be gone by spring.</p>
<p>An important note on preparation. Both of the producers I mention above and nearly all the other cured ham producers in this country seem to want you to cook their hams. This is crazy. Total lunacy. If the ham comes with the appropriate USDA stamp then they&#8217;ve been fully cured and are safe to eat with no cooking. As we yanks typically cure our hams slightly less time than the major European producers you&#8217;ll get a ham that isn&#8217;t as dry as you may be accustomed to (unless you cook it &#8211; then dry will rule the day). The Edward&#8217;s Surryano is an exception &#8211; they don&#8217;t instruct you to cook those.</p>
<p>Yes, I did marry well.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from wiki of jamon serrano

There are many producers of Spanish hams but the level of quality can be judged by the following:The type of pigThe way the pig has been fedThe part of the pig used to make the hamThe way the ham is curedThe four major quality categories of cured ham are as follows, from highest to lowest quality:Jamón Iberico de Bellota: Free-range, acorn-fed Iberian pigsJamón Iberico de Recebo: Acorn, pasture and compound-fed Iberian pigsA regional variation of Jamón SerranoJamón Iberico de Campo: (Sometimes just Jamón Iberico in short and also known as Jamón de Pata Negra). Compound-fed Iberian pigs. Pata negra (literally black hoof), which only accounts for about five percent of total ham production, is made from the Black Iberian Pig (cerdo ibérico). The best varieties of pata negra are range fed and fattened onacorns in cork oak groves along the southern border between Spain and Portugal. (see the two subcategories above)Jamón Serrano: (also known as Jamón Reserva, Jamón Curado and Jamón Extra). Compound-fed white pigs.
Jamon serrano ftw</description>
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<p>There are many producers of Spanish hams but the level of quality can be judged by the following:The type of pigThe way the pig has been fedThe part of the pig used to make the hamThe way the ham is curedThe four major quality categories of cured ham are as follows, from highest to lowest quality:Jamón Iberico de Bellota: Free-range, acorn-fed Iberian pigsJamón Iberico de Recebo: Acorn, pasture and compound-fed Iberian pigsA regional variation of Jamón SerranoJamón Iberico de Campo: (Sometimes just Jamón Iberico in short and also known as Jamón de Pata Negra). Compound-fed Iberian pigs. Pata negra (literally black hoof), which only accounts for about five percent of total ham production, is made from the Black Iberian Pig (cerdo ibérico). The best varieties of pata negra are range fed and fattened onacorns in cork oak groves along the southern border between Spain and Portugal. (see the two subcategories above)Jamón Serrano: (also known as Jamón Reserva, Jamón Curado and Jamón Extra). Compound-fed white pigs.<br />
Jamon serrano ftw</p>
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		<title>By: Beanolini</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1332119</link>
		<dc:creator>Beanolini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Stilton, on the other hand, does have protected status, so if you buy a piece of Stilton, you have a pretty good idea of what you&#039;re getting&lt;/blockquote&gt;You can also guarantee that it didn&#039;t actually come from the village of Stilton, as this is outside the protected region. 

Other curiosities of the system are that Newcastle Brown Ale recently voluntarily rescinded its protected status, so the brewery could make it in Gateshead (and later Yorkshire); and that Newmarket sausages were not protected for many years until two rival butchers could agree on a recipe to send to the EU.

If there are 10 million hams in 29 square km, does that work out to 2.9 hams per square metre in this region? Where do all the pigs live?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Stilton, on the other hand, does have protected status, so if you buy a piece of Stilton, you have a pretty good idea of what you&#8217;re getting</p></blockquote>
<p>You can also guarantee that it didn&#8217;t actually come from the village of Stilton, as this is outside the protected region. </p>
<p>Other curiosities of the system are that Newcastle Brown Ale recently voluntarily rescinded its protected status, so the brewery could make it in Gateshead (and later Yorkshire); and that Newmarket sausages were not protected for many years until two rival butchers could agree on a recipe to send to the EU.</p>
<p>If there are 10 million hams in 29 square km, does that work out to 2.9 hams per square metre in this region? Where do all the pigs live?</p>
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		<title>By: artik</title>
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		<dc:creator>artik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having eaten both types of ham, I have a (very polemic for the Italians) opinion: the best Parma prosciutto is as good as a regular Serrano Spanish ham. The problem with prosciutto is the type of pig: large white pigs are used to make this hams. In Spain there is a fantastic pig called Ibérico and when it&#039;s fed with acorns, the ham produced with its legs is incomparable. It melts in your mouth and its taste is incredible.

Saying this, I have to admit that I like prosicutto di Parma, too, but I prefer a good Spanish Ibérico ham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having eaten both types of ham, I have a (very polemic for the Italians) opinion: the best Parma prosciutto is as good as a regular Serrano Spanish ham. The problem with prosciutto is the type of pig: large white pigs are used to make this hams. In Spain there is a fantastic pig called Ibérico and when it&#8217;s fed with acorns, the ham produced with its legs is incomparable. It melts in your mouth and its taste is incredible.</p>
<p>Saying this, I have to admit that I like prosicutto di Parma, too, but I prefer a good Spanish Ibérico ham.</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1332054</link>
		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;dark patches&quot; are actually just the &quot;Parma&quot; mark (a sort of crown), which means the ham is ready to be sold as Prosciutto di Parma. The ones on the left are either not ready, are going to be sold as generic &quot;prosciutto crudo&quot; without the Parma branding, or have just been branded on the other side ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;dark patches&#8221; are actually just the &#8220;Parma&#8221; mark (a sort of crown), which means the ham is ready to be sold as Prosciutto di Parma. The ones on the left are either not ready, are going to be sold as generic &#8220;prosciutto crudo&#8221; without the Parma branding, or have just been branded on the other side ;) </p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Protected labels are not the only thing produced in the area, of course. There&#039;s plenty of run-of-the-mill stuff coming out: cooked ham, salami, bologna/mortadella, etc etc etc. The strictest rules apply to protected labels only, everything else is fair game (well, safety standards are incredibly high across the board anyway, if there&#039;s one thing Italians really don&#039;t mess with, it&#039;s food).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protected labels are not the only thing produced in the area, of course. There&#8217;s plenty of run-of-the-mill stuff coming out: cooked ham, salami, bologna/mortadella, etc etc etc. The strictest rules apply to protected labels only, everything else is fair game (well, safety standards are incredibly high across the board anyway, if there&#8217;s one thing Italians really don&#8217;t mess with, it&#8217;s food).</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, this ain&#039;t the Middle Ages or Grandma Ol&#039; Farm. There are very  strict rules in Italy when it comes to industrial food production, and nowhere more so than in EmiliaRomagna, where food is its own religion (ever heard about lasagne and &quot;bolognese&quot;?  Bologna? yeah, all invented there). Believe it or not, animal welfare is *extremely* well protected by these rules. Death, for example, has to be as quick and painless as possible; food has to be of a certain standard, animal &quot;families&quot; are to be kept together for months, etc etc. 
Of course not everyone respects the rules, and some rules are difficult to enforce (especially when they run against religious stuff), but still, animal-rights zealotry is really misplaced in a place like Emilia Romagna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, this ain&#8217;t the Middle Ages or Grandma Ol&#8217; Farm. There are very  strict rules in Italy when it comes to industrial food production, and nowhere more so than in EmiliaRomagna, where food is its own religion (ever heard about lasagne and &#8220;bolognese&#8221;?  Bologna? yeah, all invented there). Believe it or not, animal welfare is *extremely* well protected by these rules. Death, for example, has to be as quick and painless as possible; food has to be of a certain standard, animal &#8220;families&#8221; are to be kept together for months, etc etc. <br />
Of course not everyone respects the rules, and some rules are difficult to enforce (especially when they run against religious stuff), but still, animal-rights zealotry is really misplaced in a place like Emilia Romagna.</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that, from what I understand, the debate on this point is still open at the WTO. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see things change at some point in the not-so-far future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that, from what I understand, the debate on this point is still open at the WTO. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see things change at some point in the not-so-far future.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Cardoso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Cardoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had a Hamgasm. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had a Hamgasm. </p>
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		<title>By: TopDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>TopDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall a Gordon Ramsay European episode where a stated vegetarian was fed a pizza covered with Parma Ham and when it was discovered all Chef Ramsay did was joke about it as the defiled man made his way to the door.  It was sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall a Gordon Ramsay European episode where a stated vegetarian was fed a pizza covered with Parma Ham and when it was discovered all Chef Ramsay did was joke about it as the defiled man made his way to the door.  It was sad.</p>
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		<title>By: originalritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>originalritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would guess that the ones on the right are further along in the curing process than those on the left and have undergone some step that those on the left haven&#039;t that has changed the way they look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would guess that the ones on the right are further along in the curing process than those on the left and have undergone some step that those on the left haven&#8217;t that has changed the way they look.</p>
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		<title>By: MetalPorkchop</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1331969</link>
		<dc:creator>MetalPorkchop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen it.  I remember as a kid, buckets of blood in the kitchen, after a pig was slaughtered.  A couple of neighbors came over to help out, and they were making sausages, right there, in our kitchen.  If you can&#039;t handle a dead/ bloody carcass, or you couldn&#039;t kill your food, then you shouldn&#039;t eat it.  I think the reason people are grossed out by blood and the &quot;odd bits&quot; of an animal, is because majority are so disconnected from the animal.  Most people go to the supermarket and buy a pre-cut or ground piece of meat, and they don&#039;t even know what part of animal they are consuming.  They don&#039;t see the animal.  There was a time, not all that long ago, when people ate the entire animal.  Now most of the tasty bits are thrown out or used for animal feed.  I think it began following WWII, when people stopped eating the odd bits, because eating all of the animal reminded them of poverty associated with war.  Of course there are places and cultures which still eat it all, and I&#039;ve noticed some restaurants offering more than the typical menu.
As far as &quot;miserable lives&quot; of the animals, that depends.  The animals I remember where I grew up had better lives than most people in overcrowded urban centres.  Fresh air, green pastures, yummy whole foods, including grains.  That pig mentioned above, used to get home baked bread soaked in milk (from local cows), which were out all day every day grazing fields - no corn feed.  It makes me crazy when I go to a restaurant and I see &quot;corn-fed&quot; beef high-lighted, as if that&#039;s a selling point.  Cow&#039;s can&#039;t even digest corn.  I don&#039;t eat fast food or eat out often, because I love to cook and monitor what I consume, so when I go out to eat, I&#039;m very picky.  I don&#039;t mind paying more as long as I know what I&#039;m consuming meets my standards.  So the real issue here is that we should focus on responsible farming, make it about quality again, not quantity.  Meat would be more expensive if it was grown the way I remember it, but then people would consume less and appreciate it more.  When I was a kid, there was no such term as &quot;organic&quot;, why?  Because everything was organic.  It&#039;s like the comment above, which says that in Parma, the ham is just called prosciutto, because there is no alternative.  We should respect our food, give it a happy life and not waste any of it.  Schools should teach kids about food, where it comes from, where it should come from, costs, and benefits to responsible farming, not just costs vs benefits.  I was a vegetarian for 6 years, then I went back home and caved in and had some home made sausage, from a home grown pig, and that was the end to my veg days. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen it.  I remember as a kid, buckets of blood in the kitchen, after a pig was slaughtered.  A couple of neighbors came over to help out, and they were making sausages, right there, in our kitchen.  If you can&#8217;t handle a dead/ bloody carcass, or you couldn&#8217;t kill your food, then you shouldn&#8217;t eat it.  I think the reason people are grossed out by blood and the &#8220;odd bits&#8221; of an animal, is because majority are so disconnected from the animal.  Most people go to the supermarket and buy a pre-cut or ground piece of meat, and they don&#8217;t even know what part of animal they are consuming.  They don&#8217;t see the animal.  There was a time, not all that long ago, when people ate the entire animal.  Now most of the tasty bits are thrown out or used for animal feed.  I think it began following WWII, when people stopped eating the odd bits, because eating all of the animal reminded them of poverty associated with war.  Of course there are places and cultures which still eat it all, and I&#8217;ve noticed some restaurants offering more than the typical menu.<br />
As far as &#8220;miserable lives&#8221; of the animals, that depends.  The animals I remember where I grew up had better lives than most people in overcrowded urban centres.  Fresh air, green pastures, yummy whole foods, including grains.  That pig mentioned above, used to get home baked bread soaked in milk (from local cows), which were out all day every day grazing fields &#8211; no corn feed.  It makes me crazy when I go to a restaurant and I see &#8220;corn-fed&#8221; beef high-lighted, as if that&#8217;s a selling point.  Cow&#8217;s can&#8217;t even digest corn.  I don&#8217;t eat fast food or eat out often, because I love to cook and monitor what I consume, so when I go out to eat, I&#8217;m very picky.  I don&#8217;t mind paying more as long as I know what I&#8217;m consuming meets my standards.  So the real issue here is that we should focus on responsible farming, make it about quality again, not quantity.  Meat would be more expensive if it was grown the way I remember it, but then people would consume less and appreciate it more.  When I was a kid, there was no such term as &#8220;organic&#8221;, why?  Because everything was organic.  It&#8217;s like the comment above, which says that in Parma, the ham is just called prosciutto, because there is no alternative.  We should respect our food, give it a happy life and not waste any of it.  Schools should teach kids about food, where it comes from, where it should come from, costs, and benefits to responsible farming, not just costs vs benefits.  I was a vegetarian for 6 years, then I went back home and caved in and had some home made sausage, from a home grown pig, and that was the end to my veg days. </p>
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		<title>By: MetalPorkchop</title>
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		<dc:creator>MetalPorkchop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat legs or human legs (mentioned above) would be weird and macabre, mainly because those aren&#039;t food - at least not to most people.  This photo is awesome, imagine the scent in that room.  I can smell prosciutto just looking at it.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat legs or human legs (mentioned above) would be weird and macabre, mainly because those aren&#8217;t food &#8211; at least not to most people.  This photo is awesome, imagine the scent in that room.  I can smell prosciutto just looking at it.    </p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said it was?  My point is that you have here an area that produces 10 million hams per year, presumably from five million pigs.  And those hams are delivered worldwide, to make millions of meals.  Some of those who eat those hams might only eat one or two per annum; some of those people might eat them twice weekly.

I get that it&#039;s a huge problem that people (particularly Americans, no?) eat way too much meat, and in order to feed those vast numbers of people their vast quantities of meat, we&#039;ve transformed cattle- and pig-farming from a relatively bucolic and possibly relatively humane affair into a horrorshow of terror, brutality, blood, mayhem, pollution, and waste.  Not to mention atherosclerosis, hypertension, obesity, and bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

But that&#039;s still beside my point.  You, yourself, occasionally eat meat.  You might possibly find one of these hams to be a delectable indulgence for a holiday meal, once or twice a year.  Now imagine that there are a mere ten million occasional Parma ham-indulgers just like you worldwide.  Et voila, suddenly we find ourselves with a room full of pig legs, a Swine Hell.  And just to feed the occasional fancy-ham indulgence once a year for 0.14% of the world&#039;s population.

If scales like this give people nightmares, I really don&#039;t know how they cope with &lt;b&gt;anything&lt;/b&gt; in modern life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said it was?  My point is that you have here an area that produces 10 million hams per year, presumably from five million pigs.  And those hams are delivered worldwide, to make millions of meals.  Some of those who eat those hams might only eat one or two per annum; some of those people might eat them twice weekly.</p>
<p>I get that it&#8217;s a huge problem that people (particularly Americans, no?) eat way too much meat, and in order to feed those vast numbers of people their vast quantities of meat, we&#8217;ve transformed cattle- and pig-farming from a relatively bucolic and possibly relatively humane affair into a horrorshow of terror, brutality, blood, mayhem, pollution, and waste.  Not to mention atherosclerosis, hypertension, obesity, and bovine spongiform encephalopathy.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s still beside my point.  You, yourself, occasionally eat meat.  You might possibly find one of these hams to be a delectable indulgence for a holiday meal, once or twice a year.  Now imagine that there are a mere ten million occasional Parma ham-indulgers just like you worldwide.  Et voila, suddenly we find ourselves with a room full of pig legs, a Swine Hell.  And just to feed the occasional fancy-ham indulgence once a year for 0.14% of the world&#8217;s population.</p>
<p>If scales like this give people nightmares, I really don&#8217;t know how they cope with <b>anything</b> in modern life.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy Bearz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddy Bearz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, the pigs are raised in The Netherlands, then transported to Parma alive, so they can be called pigs from Parma.</description>
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		<title>By: guanto</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1331754</link>
		<dc:creator>guanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget prehistoric anything, think rural Europe 50-60 years ago. Meat consumption in the quantities we see today and insanely concentrated meat &quot;production&quot; is a pretty recent phenomenon and rather unnecessary, even harmful.

Also, the &quot;feeding hungry mouths&quot; angle is a red herring; these pigs (millions of them, even if the conditions are probably nowhere near as bad as Smithfield&#039;s) are industrially raised and slaughtered and consume massive quantities of crops that would feed humans much more efficiently.

Not saying you shouldn&#039;t eat some of that ham but humanity isn&#039;t any better of because of increased meat production, seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget prehistoric anything, think rural Europe 50-60 years ago. Meat consumption in the quantities we see today and insanely concentrated meat &#8220;production&#8221; is a pretty recent phenomenon and rather unnecessary, even harmful.</p>
<p>Also, the &#8220;feeding hungry mouths&#8221; angle is a red herring; these pigs (millions of them, even if the conditions are probably nowhere near as bad as Smithfield&#8217;s) are industrially raised and slaughtered and consume massive quantities of crops that would feed humans much more efficiently.</p>
<p>Not saying you shouldn&#8217;t eat some of that ham but humanity isn&#8217;t any better of because of increased meat production, seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, never before have we mass-produced so many humans before... or at least kept them alive long enough to reproduce themselves.  Lots of hungry mouths to feed, most of them omnivorous rather than herbivorous.

As you said, this isn&#039;t exactly Smithfield here.  I think my perspective is realistic.  The &quot;room full of what were once thousands of pigs&quot; isn&#039;t meant for a single family or tribe or village, you know.  If you believe that meat is murder (and since you yourself occasionally eat meat, I imagine you don&#039;t), then of course you&#039;re going to view such a room as the scene of genocide.  But if you&#039;re okay with eating a dead pig yourself on occasion, and you realize that what you see here are simply pieces of dead pig destined for a whole lot of people, then what&#039;s the problem?  Because we&#039;re not villagers in prehistoric Mesopotamia anymore, are we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, never before have we mass-produced so many humans before&#8230; or at least kept them alive long enough to reproduce themselves.  Lots of hungry mouths to feed, most of them omnivorous rather than herbivorous.</p>
<p>As you said, this isn&#8217;t exactly Smithfield here.  I think my perspective is realistic.  The &#8220;room full of what were once thousands of pigs&#8221; isn&#8217;t meant for a single family or tribe or village, you know.  If you believe that meat is murder (and since you yourself occasionally eat meat, I imagine you don&#8217;t), then of course you&#8217;re going to view such a room as the scene of genocide.  But if you&#8217;re okay with eating a dead pig yourself on occasion, and you realize that what you see here are simply pieces of dead pig destined for a whole lot of people, then what&#8217;s the problem?  Because we&#8217;re not villagers in prehistoric Mesopotamia anymore, are we?</p>
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		<title>By: guanto</title>
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		<dc:creator>guanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely not all Italian or North Italian ham is of the super-premium expensive variety?</description>
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		<title>By: Adrian Beauchamp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1331687</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Beauchamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats interesting and kind of reassuring ! Still strange about all those livestock trucks which I have seen on several different trips over the Brenner heading down towards Parma... I better shut up while I am ahead, otherwise the Parma Ham consortium will set there lawyers on me... its an extraordinary image in any case</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats interesting and kind of reassuring ! Still strange about all those livestock trucks which I have seen on several different trips over the Brenner heading down towards Parma&#8230; I better shut up while I am ahead, otherwise the Parma Ham consortium will set there lawyers on me&#8230; its an extraordinary image in any case</p>
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		<title>By: guanto</title>
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		<dc:creator>guanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope. Pigs for Parma ham have to be raised in the area if you want to call your ham &quot;prosciutto di Parma.&quot; That&#039;s actually one of the good things about the whole Protected Geographical Status thing, you have at least some idea of what you&#039;re eating and where it&#039;s from.

Edit: Link to the site of the &quot;Parma ham consortium,&quot; explaining what their brand is about: http://www.prosciuttodiparma.com/usa/quality/pdo/

They have a high-quality, world-renowned and overpriced product; I think it&#039;s in their own interest to enforce their standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. Pigs for Parma ham have to be raised in the area if you want to call your ham &#8220;prosciutto di Parma.&#8221; That&#8217;s actually one of the good things about the whole Protected Geographical Status thing, you have at least some idea of what you&#8217;re eating and where it&#8217;s from.</p>
<p>Edit: Link to the site of the &#8220;Parma ham consortium,&#8221; explaining what their brand is about: <a href="http://www.prosciuttodiparma.com/usa/quality/pdo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.prosciuttodiparma.com/usa/quality/pdo/</a></p>
<p>They have a high-quality, world-renowned and overpriced product; I think it&#8217;s in their own interest to enforce their standards.</p>
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		<title>By: hassan-i-sabbah</title>
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		<dc:creator>hassan-i-sabbah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You poor, poor, soul.</description>
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		<title>By: .</title>
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		<dc:creator>.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was stationed in Italy with the Air Force 28 years ago. I was close to the San Daniele region which was famous for it&#039;s ham. I thought it odd that I never saw any pigs anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was stationed in Italy with the Air Force 28 years ago. I was close to the San Daniele region which was famous for it&#8217;s ham. I thought it odd that I never saw any pigs anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Beauchamp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1331655</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Beauchamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, all those porkers are not raised locally. A familiar sight on the roads in this part of Italy are all the trucks bringing in livestock, many of them from the massive industrial factory farms is places like Hungary, Rumania, Poland, Germany. It stretches the definition of a locally produced speciality in my book. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, all those porkers are not raised locally. A familiar sight on the roads in this part of Italy are all the trucks bringing in livestock, many of them from the massive industrial factory farms is places like Hungary, Rumania, Poland, Germany. It stretches the definition of a locally produced speciality in my book. </p>
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		<title>By: James Penrose</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1331650</link>
		<dc:creator>James Penrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly:  Hog Heaven.</description>
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		<title>By: ch1mp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1331638</link>
		<dc:creator>ch1mp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check out culatello di zibello, far superior product, i&#039;ve been down where they hang the meat there. there&#039;s a unique form of &quot;noble&quot; mould that lives only in that cellar, fanned by a constant moist wind from the po river. it is absolutely delicious but far too expensive for everyday salumi action (€100 a kilo), unless of course you are prince charles, who sends his favourite kind of black pig down there every year for them to turn in to culatello.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check out culatello di zibello, far superior product, i&#8217;ve been down where they hang the meat there. there&#8217;s a unique form of &#8220;noble&#8221; mould that lives only in that cellar, fanned by a constant moist wind from the po river. it is absolutely delicious but far too expensive for everyday salumi action (€100 a kilo), unless of course you are prince charles, who sends his favourite kind of black pig down there every year for them to turn in to culatello.</p>
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		<title>By: GyroMagician</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1331620</link>
		<dc:creator>GyroMagician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually rather like the concept of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Geographical_Status&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Protected Geographical Status&lt;/a&gt;. It doesn&#039;t stop anyone producing anything. It just restricts what you&#039;re allowed to call it. You cannot produce Champagne in SA - Champagne is a region in France. You can (and many do) produce excellent sparkling wine.

To give a different example, look at the sorry state of Cheddar. Is it a particular style of tangy cheese from Somerset, or is it some anonymous block of bland, industrially produced gummi käse? It can actually be both - there is no way to separate them by name. Stilton, on the other hand, does have protected status, so if you buy a piece of Stilton, you have a pretty good idea of what you&#039;re getting.

I might choose to pay more for a known name, while you choose to pay less for a lesser known name. You could be onto something good - maybe you have found an undiscovered gem. That keeps food interesting. If anyone tells you that sparkling wine isn&#039;t worth drinking if it&#039;s not Champagne, they&#039;re an idiot (or maybe from Champagne). But anything that helps to preserve regional variation is a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually rather like the concept of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Geographical_Status" rel="nofollow">Protected Geographical Status</a>. It doesn&#8217;t stop anyone producing anything. It just restricts what you&#8217;re allowed to call it. You cannot produce Champagne in SA &#8211; Champagne is a region in France. You can (and many do) produce excellent sparkling wine.</p>
<p>To give a different example, look at the sorry state of Cheddar. Is it a particular style of tangy cheese from Somerset, or is it some anonymous block of bland, industrially produced gummi käse? It can actually be both &#8211; there is no way to separate them by name. Stilton, on the other hand, does have protected status, so if you buy a piece of Stilton, you have a pretty good idea of what you&#8217;re getting.</p>
<p>I might choose to pay more for a known name, while you choose to pay less for a lesser known name. You could be onto something good &#8211; maybe you have found an undiscovered gem. That keeps food interesting. If anyone tells you that sparkling wine isn&#8217;t worth drinking if it&#8217;s not Champagne, they&#8217;re an idiot (or maybe from Champagne). But anything that helps to preserve regional variation is a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know why the hams on the right have those dark patches which the hams on the left do not have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know why the hams on the right have those dark patches which the hams on the left do not have?</p>
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		<title>By: BombBlastLightingWaltz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1331594</link>
		<dc:creator>BombBlastLightingWaltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The D&amp;D gamer will know that this is the secret health level of the map, just before the final battle with the Hydragon AC-10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The D&amp;D gamer will know that this is the secret health level of the map, just before the final battle with the Hydragon AC-10.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Guinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Guinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to go to there.</description>
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		<title>By: Bubba73</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/the-great-hall-of-hams.html#comment-1331576</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet here you are using a computer to access the internet; 
http://archive.unu.edu/update/archive/issue31_5.htm
While these figures may be out of date the impact of utilising modern tech as a way to communicate is far worse than say sending smoke signals, unless you live in a bubble you are more or less as decadent as the rest of us and contribute your fair share to the destruction of our planet.  Look at all the products in your household, count the environmental cost of those products and consider if as a total they are much less than those of your average meat eater. 

Oh Edit: Uber Sarc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet here you are using a computer to access the internet; <br />
<a href="http://archive.unu.edu/update/archive/issue31_5.htm" rel="nofollow">http://archive.unu.edu/update/archive/issue31_5.htm</a><br />
While these figures may be out of date the impact of utilising modern tech as a way to communicate is far worse than say sending smoke signals, unless you live in a bubble you are more or less as decadent as the rest of us and contribute your fair share to the destruction of our planet.  Look at all the products in your household, count the environmental cost of those products and consider if as a total they are much less than those of your average meat eater. </p>
<p>Oh Edit: Uber Sarc</p>
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