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		<title>By: Stephen Rice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1334229</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s my view on that too. It&#039;s like the chicken and egg situation in political campaigning. Politicians who attract more donations during elections tend to win -- but is that because having more money wins elections or because popular politicians attract more donations? If you look at politicians who self fund their campaigns it seems to be the latter.

4&#039;s really one of these almost litmus test statements that probably comes down to your worldview. I&#039;d personally say that &quot;firms that have higher profits offer more high powered incentives&quot; to produce the incorporated business version of &quot;people with higher incomes have more money.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s my view on that too. It&#8217;s like the chicken and egg situation in political campaigning. Politicians who attract more donations during elections tend to win &#8212; but is that because having more money wins elections or because popular politicians attract more donations? If you look at politicians who self fund their campaigns it seems to be the latter.</p>
<p>4&#8242;s really one of these almost litmus test statements that probably comes down to your worldview. I&#8217;d personally say that &#8220;firms that have higher profits offer more high powered incentives&#8221; to produce the incorporated business version of &#8220;people with higher incomes have more money.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1334082</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would really like to hear how one expert could make £12,500,000,000 per year more for the British taxpayer than one beginner doing the same job. That stuff should be bottled.

If we could pay one guy £1 million pounds per year for 2 years and make twenty-four billion nine hundred ninety-eight million pounds profit* on it we would not be in this situation to begin with.

*Linguistically I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s still called profit if you&#039;re investing to not lose your own money. Technically I think it means you would *only* lose the £2m you spent on the guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would really like to hear how one expert could make £12,500,000,000 per year more for the British taxpayer than one beginner doing the same job. That stuff should be bottled.</p>
<p>If we could pay one guy £1 million pounds per year for 2 years and make twenty-four billion nine hundred ninety-eight million pounds profit* on it we would not be in this situation to begin with.</p>
<p>*Linguistically I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s still called profit if you&#8217;re investing to not lose your own money. Technically I think it means you would *only* lose the £2m you spent on the guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1334068</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. It&#039;s the idea that we can&#039;t give the guy a million pounds *after* he&#039;s done a good job but must give him annual amounts to stop him leaving the country that gets me. He has not saved us the £25bn yet.

Also, we have to pay a guy millions of pounds just to get the billions of pounds we put into a bank back out of it? Up is down.

Edit: Oh god, I&#039;ve just had a horrible thought:

&gt;&quot;In exchange for your accomodating services, the Nigerian National Petroleum Company would agree to allow you to retain 10%, or US$4 million of this amount.

&gt;        However, to be a legitimate transferee of these moneys according to Nigerian law, you must presently be a depositor of at least US$100,000 in a Nigerian bank which is regulated by the Central Bank of Nigeria.&quot; (http://www.quatloos.com/scams/nigerian.htm)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. It&#8217;s the idea that we can&#8217;t give the guy a million pounds *after* he&#8217;s done a good job but must give him annual amounts to stop him leaving the country that gets me. He has not saved us the £25bn yet.</p>
<p>Also, we have to pay a guy millions of pounds just to get the billions of pounds we put into a bank back out of it? Up is down.</p>
<p>Edit: Oh god, I&#8217;ve just had a horrible thought:</p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;In exchange for your accomodating services, the Nigerian National Petroleum Company would agree to allow you to retain 10%, or US$4 million of this amount.</p>
<p>&gt;        However, to be a legitimate transferee of these moneys according to Nigerian law, you must presently be a depositor of at least US$100,000 in a Nigerian bank which is regulated by the Central Bank of Nigeria.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.quatloos.com/scams/nigerian.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.quatloos.com/scams/nigerian.htm</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1334065</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just admire the poor guy&#039;s patience. Imagine checking how many pixels is in the big one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just admire the poor guy&#8217;s patience. Imagine checking how many pixels is in the big one.</p>
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		<title>By: DrunkenOrangetree</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1333104</link>
		<dc:creator>DrunkenOrangetree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine. Pay him after he&#039;s done the job. But I do appreciate your concern for the poor fellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine. Pay him after he&#8217;s done the job. But I do appreciate your concern for the poor fellow.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1332116</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;That is on top of the potential £35.5million package he has enjoyed since he moved to RBS in 2008.&lt;/b&gt;

It is made up of pay, pension, bonuses, shares and a long-term incentive plan that is worth up to £4.8million a year, four times his £1.2million basic salary, and is due to start paying out from 2014 if he hits certain targets.

This is how it is calculated:

    2008: £4.99million in shares instead of pay and bonuses;
    2009: £6.9million total package;  
    2010: £8.16million total package; 
    2011: £8.08million total package; 
    2012: £7.38million total, including up to £4.8million long-term incentive plan, salary of £1.2million, £420,000 in pension contributions and his bonus which was worth £963,000 when issued last week but was expected to top £1million as RBS shares rise in value;
    2013: RBS have set aside £3.3million of shares for his bonus next year. The exact size will be decided this time next year.

Mr Hester has presided over a 40 per cent fall in the RBS share price and failed to hit the Government’s targets for lending more money to businesses.&lt;/blockquote&gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093630/RBS-boss-waives-1m-bonus-Stephen-Hester-feared-pariah.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>That is on top of the potential £35.5million package he has enjoyed since he moved to RBS in 2008.</b></p>
<p>It is made up of pay, pension, bonuses, shares and a long-term incentive plan that is worth up to £4.8million a year, four times his £1.2million basic salary, and is due to start paying out from 2014 if he hits certain targets.</p>
<p>This is how it is calculated:</p>
<p>    2008: £4.99million in shares instead of pay and bonuses;<br />
    2009: £6.9million total package;<br />
    2010: £8.16million total package;<br />
    2011: £8.08million total package;<br />
    2012: £7.38million total, including up to £4.8million long-term incentive plan, salary of £1.2million, £420,000 in pension contributions and his bonus which was worth £963,000 when issued last week but was expected to top £1million as RBS shares rise in value;<br />
    2013: RBS have set aside £3.3million of shares for his bonus next year. The exact size will be decided this time next year.</p>
<p>Mr Hester has presided over a 40 per cent fall in the RBS share price and failed to hit the Government’s targets for lending more money to businesses.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093630/RBS-boss-waives-1m-bonus-Stephen-Hester-feared-pariah.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093630/RBS-boss-waives-1m-bonus-Stephen-Hester-feared-pariah.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JC Smith Hamner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1332111</link>
		<dc:creator>JC Smith Hamner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proper question is &quot;Is anyone worth 2M pounds more than someone who makes 15K?&quot; There is no disparity between two persons that warrants that differential of compensation. No one can humanly be that much better than someone else, we simply don&#039;t have that capacity of scale, no matter what potentiality of exponential growth a position holds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proper question is &#8220;Is anyone worth 2M pounds more than someone who makes 15K?&#8221; There is no disparity between two persons that warrants that differential of compensation. No one can humanly be that much better than someone else, we simply don&#8217;t have that capacity of scale, no matter what potentiality of exponential growth a position holds.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Goulding</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1332110</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Goulding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16783571</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230; <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16783571" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16783571</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julien Couvreur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julien Couvreur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is. That&#039;s how I know it&#039;s true ;-)
But it is one worth calling out. 

Often times people forget that value (an economic concept) is subjective, which means that my valuation as an un-involved outsider has no bearing on the valuation of the ones involved. I think Louis Vuitton bags are a waste of money, but I know people demonstrate preferences that are different (ie. they make trade-off decisions I wouldn&#039;t).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is. That&#8217;s how I know it&#8217;s true ;-)<br />
But it is one worth calling out. </p>
<p>Often times people forget that value (an economic concept) is subjective, which means that my valuation as an un-involved outsider has no bearing on the valuation of the ones involved. I think Louis Vuitton bags are a waste of money, but I know people demonstrate preferences that are different (ie. they make trade-off decisions I wouldn&#8217;t).</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Knight</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331994</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So say for example that in a couple of years time he&#039;s done a good job and we British taxpayers get our £50 billion back.

If you&#039;d done half as good job and we got £25 billion back instead then your saving of £1 million pound per year x 2 years on salary/bonuses would start to look pretty fucking pathetic wouldn&#039;t it? You would have cost us twenty-four billion nine hundred ninety-eight million pounds.

People are acting like Heston caused this problem. He did not. He was brought in after the problems to try to sort it out because he seems like the sort of bloke who could. 

Frankly I&#039;d prefer we had someone like that trying to do the job, and a share based bonus seems to me like a pretty damn good way to incentivise him to do it well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So say for example that in a couple of years time he&#8217;s done a good job and we British taxpayers get our £50 billion back.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d done half as good job and we got £25 billion back instead then your saving of £1 million pound per year x 2 years on salary/bonuses would start to look pretty fucking pathetic wouldn&#8217;t it? You would have cost us twenty-four billion nine hundred ninety-eight million pounds.</p>
<p>People are acting like Heston caused this problem. He did not. He was brought in after the problems to try to sort it out because he seems like the sort of bloke who could. </p>
<p>Frankly I&#8217;d prefer we had someone like that trying to do the job, and a share based bonus seems to me like a pretty damn good way to incentivise him to do it well.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amid.cepr.org/files/working_papers/bandiera3_0.pdf quoted some of the findings, the workings are further down the paper. I presume that the authors of the study have made an attempt at separating correlation and causation. I&#039;d personally make no attempt at defining &#039;meaningful work&#039; in this context ^_^  I suspect it nominally comes down to company success and however that is created.When doing my searches I came across this study - http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/wp/wp2005/wp0511.pdf - which I suspect is the one meant when people say &quot;high reward = bad performance&quot;, which the authors fall back to the &quot;choking under pressure&quot; phrase. One part if their study involves turning up in India and having people play some games for various stakes and see how that translated into performance. It turned out that the highest (significant) prize could decrease performance.I think this is very different to a long term performance scheme. If they had turned up at the village a month before hand and given the games to people defined the prizes then this would have allowed the villagers to practice and allow separate groups to be identified1) People who weren&#039;t motivated to practice &amp; would have been bad at the games.2) People who weren&#039;t motivated to practice but would have been good at the games.3) People who were motivated to practice but weren&#039;t very good.4) People who were motivated to practice and were good.Then on the day the &#039;choke factor&#039; wouldn&#039;t outweigh this and you&#039;d be able to identify the consistently &#039;better&#039; performing people.More study needed ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amid.cepr.org/files/working_papers/bandiera3_0.pdf quoted some of the findings, the workings are further down the paper. I presume that the authors of the study have made an attempt at separating correlation and causation. I&#8217;d personally make no attempt at defining &#8216;meaningful work&#8217; in this context ^_^  I suspect it nominally comes down to company success and however that is created.When doing my searches I came across this study &#8211; <a href="http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/wp/wp2005/wp0511.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/wp/wp2005/wp0511.pdf</a> &#8211; which I suspect is the one meant when people say &#8220;high reward = bad performance&#8221;, which the authors fall back to the &#8220;choking under pressure&#8221; phrase. One part if their study involves turning up in India and having people play some games for various stakes and see how that translated into performance. It turned out that the highest (significant) prize could decrease performance.I think this is very different to a long term performance scheme. If they had turned up at the village a month before hand and given the games to people defined the prizes then this would have allowed the villagers to practice and allow separate groups to be identified1) People who weren&#8217;t motivated to practice &amp; would have been bad at the games.2) People who weren&#8217;t motivated to practice but would have been good at the games.3) People who were motivated to practice but weren&#8217;t very good.4) People who were motivated to practice and were good.Then on the day the &#8216;choke factor&#8217; wouldn&#8217;t outweigh this and you&#8217;d be able to identify the consistently &#8216;better&#8217; performing people.More study needed ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about bank tellers? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about bank tellers? :P</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Content aside, I&#039;m not sure that comparing pixels is the best way to visualise this data. I instinctively view it as a bar graph, comparing heights rather than comparing areas, so the difference between rich and poor seems less radical than it actually is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Content aside, I&#8217;m not sure that comparing pixels is the best way to visualise this data. I instinctively view it as a bar graph, comparing heights rather than comparing areas, so the difference between rich and poor seems less radical than it actually is.</p>
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		<title>By: jxeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>jxeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oooo!  oooo!  I&#039;ll try!  Where do I apply?  I&#039;ll give it a shot for a low low bonus of £481,000 and annual salary of £0.6 million.  Half price!  With a PhD, an MS, and a BS, I bet I can do at least half-as-good a job as this pompous buffoon.   Does it involve solving partial differential equations while sword-swallowing?  If so, maybe not.  But, otherwise, just that business-school type stuff?  I&#039;ll be willing to learn on the job (salary free, if need be, for a while) - those were the dudes who failed the classes I slept through and aced in college.    &quot;hard to replace&quot;  Give me break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oooo!  oooo!  I&#8217;ll try!  Where do I apply?  I&#8217;ll give it a shot for a low low bonus of £481,000 and annual salary of £0.6 million.  Half price!  With a PhD, an MS, and a BS, I bet I can do at least half-as-good a job as this pompous buffoon.   Does it involve solving partial differential equations while sword-swallowing?  If so, maybe not.  But, otherwise, just that business-school type stuff?  I&#8217;ll be willing to learn on the job (salary free, if need be, for a while) &#8211; those were the dudes who failed the classes I slept through and aced in college.    &#8221;hard to replace&#8221;  Give me break.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t point 4 mistaking correlation for causation? No matter how much many would wish this were not the case, a sole trader who made a £1000 profit last year isn&#039;t going to be able to award multi-million pound incentive packages to its CEO.  Same goes for point 2; how do you show that Stephen Hester really did 2,163 times as much meaningful work  (in whatever terms you want to clarify that) as the sole trader?

Could you not equally say &quot;larger companies can afford to pay more, and receiving a higher salary makes one more prone to self-justification (&#039;my contract&#039;s really tough,  so I earn this salary&#039;)&quot;?

Please don&#039;t mistake this for snark, I&#039;m actually genuinely interested in how people try and control for this in studies. Have you got a link? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t point 4 mistaking correlation for causation? No matter how much many would wish this were not the case, a sole trader who made a £1000 profit last year isn&#8217;t going to be able to award multi-million pound incentive packages to its CEO.  Same goes for point 2; how do you show that Stephen Hester really did 2,163 times as much meaningful work  (in whatever terms you want to clarify that) as the sole trader?</p>
<p>Could you not equally say &#8220;larger companies can afford to pay more, and receiving a higher salary makes one more prone to self-justification (&#8216;my contract&#8217;s really tough,  so I earn this salary&#8217;)&#8221;?</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t mistake this for snark, I&#8217;m actually genuinely interested in how people try and control for this in studies. Have you got a link? </p>
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		<title>By: mguffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>mguffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, You&#039;re a certified Good Guy, and you get  Mulligan for an honest bout of ignorance on this one, but most UK readers who saw your comment just flinched a bit. 

Given the fact that the poppy is bought in support of a charity that supports ex-servicemen and women, and is worn to honour the fallen on our equivalent of Veterans day, you couldn&#039;t have chosen worse words for the gag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, You&#8217;re a certified Good Guy, and you get  Mulligan for an honest bout of ignorance on this one, but most UK readers who saw your comment just flinched a bit. </p>
<p>Given the fact that the poppy is bought in support of a charity that supports ex-servicemen and women, and is worn to honour the fallen on our equivalent of Veterans day, you couldn&#8217;t have chosen worse words for the gag.</p>
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		<title>By: SonOfSamSeaborn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331543</link>
		<dc:creator>SonOfSamSeaborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can have my bit of the bank. It comes with a free £400 overdraft that I&#039;ve just decided I&#039;m not paying them back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can have my bit of the bank. It comes with a free £400 overdraft that I&#8217;ve just decided I&#8217;m not paying them back.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Cheung</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331516</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Cheung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as has been pointed out, footballers (and celebrities etc) aren&#039;t taxpayer-funded.  Their salaries are obscene but their employers are private businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as has been pointed out, footballers (and celebrities etc) aren&#8217;t taxpayer-funded.  Their salaries are obscene but their employers are private businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: haypenny</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331512</link>
		<dc:creator>haypenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but read this in Jubal Early&#039;s voice. Does that seem right to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but read this in Jubal Early&#8217;s voice. Does that seem right to you?</p>
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		<title>By: willyboy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331511</link>
		<dc:creator>willyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giants? I knew it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giants? I knew it!</p>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331487</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have a link to a particular study on performance and bonuses in finance from one of these institutions? I&#039;ve been through several studies now but can&#039;t find this particular one? (Nearest I got was a reference to a meta-study)

Indeed, the most recent study I found that came from the Harvard business school  &quot;Matching Firms, Managers, and Incentives&quot;  - August 2011  says: -

(2) Managerial outcomes are linked to incentives: in equilibrium managers who face steep contracts exert a higher level of effort, receive a higher expected compensation (both total and variable), and obtain a higher overall expected utility; 
(4) Firms that offer more high powered incentives have higher profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have a link to a particular study on performance and bonuses in finance from one of these institutions? I&#8217;ve been through several studies now but can&#8217;t find this particular one? (Nearest I got was a reference to a meta-study)</p>
<p>Indeed, the most recent study I found that came from the Harvard business school  &#8220;Matching Firms, Managers, and Incentives&#8221;  &#8211; August 2011  says: -</p>
<p>(2) Managerial outcomes are linked to incentives: in equilibrium managers who face steep contracts exert a higher level of effort, receive a higher expected compensation (both total and variable), and obtain a higher overall expected utility;<br />
(4) Firms that offer more high powered incentives have higher profits.</p>
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		<title>By: John Shewbrook</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331482</link>
		<dc:creator>John Shewbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer for most people is a resounding &#039;No&#039; however, it is still less than half of the annual salary of your averge Premiership footballer and they always seem to escape criticism. I find their salaries more sickening (with a small number of exceptions that actually add value to their brand).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer for most people is a resounding &#8216;No&#8217; however, it is still less than half of the annual salary of your averge Premiership footballer and they always seem to escape criticism. I find their salaries more sickening (with a small number of exceptions that actually add value to their brand).</p>
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		<title>By: prentiz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331402</link>
		<dc:creator>prentiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to intrude on all the banker bashing here, but everyone in the UK has  a good reason to want to stop the attacks on this dude in particular.  As Cory points out, we all own, unfortunately, a  bit of this bank.  We need to sell it, ideally as quickly as possible and get the money back that we have tied up in it, to put against our massive debts.  Everytime politicians start meddling in it, be it in how it lends, or what it pays, then it makes doing that harder. 

That said, it is a shame that the previous (left-wing) Government didn&#039;t negotiate a better deal as shareholders...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to intrude on all the banker bashing here, but everyone in the UK has  a good reason to want to stop the attacks on this dude in particular.  As Cory points out, we all own, unfortunately, a  bit of this bank.  We need to sell it, ideally as quickly as possible and get the money back that we have tied up in it, to put against our massive debts.  Everytime politicians start meddling in it, be it in how it lends, or what it pays, then it makes doing that harder. </p>
<p>That said, it is a shame that the previous (left-wing) Government didn&#8217;t negotiate a better deal as shareholders&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Cahan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331295</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Cahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rowling also does not represent a class of person, unless you want to argue that she represents the class of &#039;celebrity&#039;. Authors generally don&#039;t receive uniform or outsize compensation (I think). CEO&#039;s and people in the financial industry do generally receive high, uniform compensation (hope that made sense). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rowling also does not represent a class of person, unless you want to argue that she represents the class of &#8216;celebrity&#8217;. Authors generally don&#8217;t receive uniform or outsize compensation (I think). CEO&#8217;s and people in the financial industry do generally receive high, uniform compensation (hope that made sense). </p>
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		<title>By: Adam Cahan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331294</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Cahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He is worth it to the people who spend the money on him (otherwise they wouldn&#039;t).&quot;

Isn&#039;t that a tautology? Can someone check?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(logic) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He is worth it to the people who spend the money on him (otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t).&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that a tautology? Can someone check?<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(logic) " rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(logic) </a></p>
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		<title>By: Work_Watch_Buy_Repeat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331289</link>
		<dc:creator>Work_Watch_Buy_Repeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strangely, the various large militaries of the world, many of which have units well in excess of 148K &#039;employees&#039;, typically pay their generals about the same as a doctor.  Ditto for other large government agencies. 

There&#039;s no way *anyone* is 2 million pounds worth of irreplaceable.  Let alone the US CEO salaries that are one or two orders of magnitude larger.

CEO&#039;s can demand millions because it has become normative in their little self-dealing sub-culture.  In Japan, CEO pay is far lower; few would argue that it&#039;s because the talent (or the country) is so much poorer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strangely, the various large militaries of the world, many of which have units well in excess of 148K &#8216;employees&#8217;, typically pay their generals about the same as a doctor.  Ditto for other large government agencies. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way *anyone* is 2 million pounds worth of irreplaceable.  Let alone the US CEO salaries that are one or two orders of magnitude larger.</p>
<p>CEO&#8217;s can demand millions because it has become normative in their little self-dealing sub-culture.  In Japan, CEO pay is far lower; few would argue that it&#8217;s because the talent (or the country) is so much poorer.</p>
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		<title>By: Nagurski</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331230</link>
		<dc:creator>Nagurski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides being an inspired graphic depiction of relative pay, it is also a lampoon, of  self-aggandizing types like Hester who are maintaining the fiction that they are so uniquely skilled as to merit such disproportionate compensation. Well done all the way around, I&#039;d say. I hardly feel manipulated, since, as you seem to think, I have a bit of intelligence with which to make basic distinctions. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides being an inspired graphic depiction of relative pay, it is also a lampoon, of  self-aggandizing types like Hester who are maintaining the fiction that they are so uniquely skilled as to merit such disproportionate compensation. Well done all the way around, I&#8217;d say. I hardly feel manipulated, since, as you seem to think, I have a bit of intelligence with which to make basic distinctions. </p>
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		<title>By: Aloisius</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331118</link>
		<dc:creator>Aloisius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People aren&#039;t paid based on how much value they add to society or even how much value they add to the company.

People are paid based on how much they would cost to replace. Doctors, while scarce, are not nearly as scarce as CEOs capable of running 148K employee companies. Now I&#039;m not saying this guy has the ability to run RBS well, but finding someone else who can do the job and won&#039;t ask for the same or more money is quite difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People aren&#8217;t paid based on how much value they add to society or even how much value they add to the company.</p>
<p>People are paid based on how much they would cost to replace. Doctors, while scarce, are not nearly as scarce as CEOs capable of running 148K employee companies. Now I&#8217;m not saying this guy has the ability to run RBS well, but finding someone else who can do the job and won&#8217;t ask for the same or more money is quite difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: atimoshenko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331109</link>
		<dc:creator>atimoshenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Creating a job&quot; == &quot;Renting out access to capital you don&#039;t want to use yourself&quot;

Feudal lords were also great &quot;job creators&quot; for the serfs on their manors. In the case of professional management (i.e. not major shareholder), the capital being rented out is not even theirs. There are some important ways in which some types of high incomes can be justified. &quot;Job creation&quot; is not among them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Creating a job&#8221; == &#8220;Renting out access to capital you don&#8217;t want to use yourself&#8221;</p>
<p>Feudal lords were also great &#8220;job creators&#8221; for the serfs on their manors. In the case of professional management (i.e. not major shareholder), the capital being rented out is not even theirs. There are some important ways in which some types of high incomes can be justified. &#8220;Job creation&#8221; is not among them.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/27/top-rbs-banksters-compensati.html#comment-1331039</link>
		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably still works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably still works.</p>
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