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	<title>Comments on: Free the Crass Symbol!!! By the designer of the Crass Symbol, Dave&#160;King</title>
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		<title>By: mr_3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1336767</link>
		<dc:creator>mr_3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s exactly what I was talking about.  The logo was actually meant to resemble a swastika, among many other things...only in the exact opposite way of what was assumed here &quot;viscerally&quot;.  Of course no one needs knowledge on a subject to share their opinion, people do it all the time.  They just need knowledge on a subject to share their opinion in a way that actually sounds at least minimally informed.  And the minimum required here to at least question an initial judgement like that is pretty small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly what I was talking about.  The logo was actually meant to resemble a swastika, among many other things&#8230;only in the exact opposite way of what was assumed here &#8220;viscerally&#8221;.  Of course no one needs knowledge on a subject to share their opinion, people do it all the time.  They just need knowledge on a subject to share their opinion in a way that actually sounds at least minimally informed.  And the minimum required here to at least question an initial judgement like that is pretty small.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1335704</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the facebook page , the ripped logo is still on here and on the blog.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hardware-LDN/142721022454406</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the facebook page , the ripped logo is still on here and on the blog.<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hardware-LDN/142721022454406" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hardware-LDN/142721022454406</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peej Maybe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peej Maybe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I see that logo, particularly in its more colourful form, it reminds me of the Captain Scarlet / Spectrum logo: http://mateengreenway.com/anderson/speclogo.gif

According to your article the Crass logo was design in 1977. The Spectrum logo predates it by about 10 years in that case then (it aired on ATV in september 1967). 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I see that logo, particularly in its more colourful form, it reminds me of the Captain Scarlet / Spectrum logo: http://mateengreenway.com/anderson/speclogo.gif</p>
<p>According to your article the Crass logo was design in 1977. The Spectrum logo predates it by about 10 years in that case then (it aired on ATV in september 1967). </p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Beth Hyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Beth Hyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a smart and understandable mistake. But in fact, the folks in Crass were pacifist, anarcho-socialists: about as far from Naziism as one could be. They were very well aware of trying to use elements of these visually powerful and even fascist symbols, but with the intent of turning them on their heads. (I read an interview once where they spoke about deliberately incorporating something like a cross, swastika, and yin-yang symbol, but again, with subversive intentions). They did this with their clothing as well--all black, etc., but ideologically they were rather more idealist hippies than brutal thugs. And their songs, ultimately, are about resisting fascism and war. And love. They are raucous, wild, and confrontational, but they are about love. The visceral response is really understandable, but I promise a fuller context would very much put your mind at ease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a smart and understandable mistake. But in fact, the folks in Crass were pacifist, anarcho-socialists: about as far from Naziism as one could be. They were very well aware of trying to use elements of these visually powerful and even fascist symbols, but with the intent of turning them on their heads. (I read an interview once where they spoke about deliberately incorporating something like a cross, swastika, and yin-yang symbol, but again, with subversive intentions). They did this with their clothing as well&#8211;all black, etc., but ideologically they were rather more idealist hippies than brutal thugs. And their songs, ultimately, are about resisting fascism and war. And love. They are raucous, wild, and confrontational, but they are about love. The visceral response is really understandable, but I promise a fuller context would very much put your mind at ease.</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
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		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From some cursory reading, it was specifically meant to resemble, among other things, a swastika.  If I may quote the wikipedia article:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Originally conceived and intended as the cover artwork for a self-published pamphlet version of Christ&#039;s Reality Asylum by Penny Rimbaud, the Crass logo represented an amalgamation of several &quot;icons of authority,&quot; including the Christian Cross, the swastika, and the Union Flag, combined with a two-headed Ouroboros to symbolise the idea that power will eventually destroy itself.[16][17]
 Using such deliberately mixed messages was part of Crass&#039; strategy of presenting themselves as a &quot;barrage of contradictions&quot;, which also included using loud, aggressive music to promote a pacifist message, and was in part a reference to their own Dadaist and performance art backgrounds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It sort of reminds me of Laibach and their co-opting of totalitarian symbolism, though I&#039;ve been entirely sure what &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; plan is. It seems to be somewhere between  &quot;parodying it as a means to compare fascism and aspects of modern society&quot;,  &quot;making the totalitarian symbolism less powerful by dilution&quot;, and &quot;we think it&#039;s stylish&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From some cursory reading, it was specifically meant to resemble, among other things, a swastika.  If I may quote the wikipedia article:</p>
<blockquote><p>Originally conceived and intended as the cover artwork for a self-published pamphlet version of Christ&#8217;s Reality Asylum by Penny Rimbaud, the Crass logo represented an amalgamation of several &#8220;icons of authority,&#8221; including the Christian Cross, the swastika, and the Union Flag, combined with a two-headed Ouroboros to symbolise the idea that power will eventually destroy itself.[16][17]<br />
 Using such deliberately mixed messages was part of Crass&#8217; strategy of presenting themselves as a &#8220;barrage of contradictions&#8221;, which also included using loud, aggressive music to promote a pacifist message, and was in part a reference to their own Dadaist and performance art backgrounds.</p></blockquote>
<p>It sort of reminds me of Laibach and their co-opting of totalitarian symbolism, though I&#8217;ve been entirely sure what <i>their</i> plan is. It seems to be somewhere between  &#8220;parodying it as a means to compare fascism and aspects of modern society&#8221;,  &#8220;making the totalitarian symbolism less powerful by dilution&#8221;, and &#8220;we think it&#8217;s stylish&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: olshep</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1335156</link>
		<dc:creator>olshep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Penny Rimbaud&#039;s explanation in Edamame&#039;s link makes clear, the intent behind the Crass Symbol was very much to allude to fascism and its mutations. Crass was (and is) about confrontation. One of its successor bands was named &quot;Conflict&quot; after all. Of course, with the special history of the swastika in Germany, it is reasonable to assume that many Germans might be somewhat taken aback at first glance. However, if you are an adult, in Germany, in 2012, and you cannot tell the difference between an anarcho-punk and a neo-Nazi, all the sensitive graphic design in the world is not going to help you. Also, any German who is confused merely needs to cross the border into Austria to see all the swastika tchotchkes they might like to see, and more besides.

Relatedly, there is a well-known case of censorship on the part of the German security apparat around the anarcho-punk crust band Doom&#039;s record cover for &quot;Police Bastard&quot;. The image features an obviously derogatory image of a bobby, flipping off the camera, with a swastika drawn on his helmet. As the rest of the image and the content of the record make clear, this is in no way designed to glorify Nazism, but it was still seized under the anti-swastika laws. 

The overall point should be, I think, that part of the meaning of the Crass symbol is that contemporary manifestations of neo-Nazism and other forms of fascism are not magically negated by the banning of a certain symbol or set of symbols. For those who aim to attack and disrupt fascist organizing in their own communities, open eyes are critically important. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that we can blot out the continuing threat of fascism simply by acts of state censorship or middle-class disapproval is a sure recipe for disaster.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Penny Rimbaud&#8217;s explanation in Edamame&#8217;s link makes clear, the intent behind the Crass Symbol was very much to allude to fascism and its mutations. Crass was (and is) about confrontation. One of its successor bands was named &#8220;Conflict&#8221; after all. Of course, with the special history of the swastika in Germany, it is reasonable to assume that many Germans might be somewhat taken aback at first glance. However, if you are an adult, in Germany, in 2012, and you cannot tell the difference between an anarcho-punk and a neo-Nazi, all the sensitive graphic design in the world is not going to help you. Also, any German who is confused merely needs to cross the border into Austria to see all the swastika tchotchkes they might like to see, and more besides.</p>
<p>Relatedly, there is a well-known case of censorship on the part of the German security apparat around the anarcho-punk crust band Doom&#8217;s record cover for &#8220;Police Bastard&#8221;. The image features an obviously derogatory image of a bobby, flipping off the camera, with a swastika drawn on his helmet. As the rest of the image and the content of the record make clear, this is in no way designed to glorify Nazism, but it was still seized under the anti-swastika laws. </p>
<p>The overall point should be, I think, that part of the meaning of the Crass symbol is that contemporary manifestations of neo-Nazism and other forms of fascism are not magically negated by the banning of a certain symbol or set of symbols. For those who aim to attack and disrupt fascist organizing in their own communities, open eyes are critically important. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that we can blot out the continuing threat of fascism simply by acts of state censorship or middle-class disapproval is a sure recipe for disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Eilidh Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eilidh Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can they get away with it – the documents in history are there for all to see? Who vamped this design ? Yeah the chains say it all – Yeah Ironic – They might not know what they have done but their creativity does. Can you not do anything David ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can they get away with it – the documents in history are there for all to see? Who vamped this design ? Yeah the chains say it all – Yeah Ironic – They might not know what they have done but their creativity does. Can you not do anything David ?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Alberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Alberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilariously, they&#039;ve altered their original appropriation of the logo to incorporate elements of the Union Jack. How clever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilariously, they&#8217;ve altered their original appropriation of the logo to incorporate elements of the Union Jack. How clever.</p>
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		<title>By: Gyrofrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gyrofrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For years I figured it was a matter of time until someone copyrighted and/or trademarked the peace symbol. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For years I figured it was a matter of time until someone copyrighted and/or trademarked the peace symbol. </p>
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		<title>By: Gyrofrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gyrofrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;And what happens to the counter-culture, now that everything can be appropriated and sold back to a world hungry for authenticity?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Hello, young bad-ass, may I interest you in a Che Guevara t-shirt?

EDIT: How &#039;bout a belt to hold up them trousers while we&#039;re at it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;And what happens to the counter-culture, now that everything can be appropriated and sold back to a world hungry for authenticity?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Hello, young bad-ass, may I interest you in a Che Guevara t-shirt?</p>
<p>EDIT: How &#8217;bout a belt to hold up them trousers while we&#8217;re at it</p>
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		<title>By: Gyrofrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gyrofrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I opened this in a new tab, Gmail automagically opened up, with a new tab for each mail folder.

Bravo/That was very foolish of you, Crass Symbol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I opened this in a new tab, Gmail automagically opened up, with a new tab for each mail folder.</p>
<p>Bravo/That was very foolish of you, Crass Symbol!</p>
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		<title>By: Petros Diveris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petros Diveris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does anyone need &quot;knowledge on a subject&quot; to suggest that something reminds him or her of something? Do we now need a degree of some sorts now, or some inner knowledge,  to be able suggest that this does indeed look like a swastika? 

Neonazi groups from Athens, to Warsaw and San Fransisco all sport emblems which are unfortunately very very similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does anyone need &#8220;knowledge on a subject&#8221; to suggest that something reminds him or her of something? Do we now need a degree of some sorts now, or some inner knowledge,  to be able suggest that this does indeed look like a swastika? </p>
<p>Neonazi groups from Athens, to Warsaw and San Fransisco all sport emblems which are unfortunately very very similar.</p>
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		<title>By: neurogami</title>
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		<dc:creator>neurogami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve missed the point.  If Joe or Jane  Random encounters this logo out in the wild,  unless they know in advance that it is the Crass logo they are not going to know what to research (even assuming they had the means and inclination at the time).  And at least some people are liable to make an association with the swastika.

When I first saw the logo I assumed Crass were some sort of National Front skinhead Oi! group.

We can dispute just how many people are likely to jump to this conclusion but that fact is *some* people do because of the logo.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve missed the point.  If Joe or Jane  Random encounters this logo out in the wild,  unless they know in advance that it is the Crass logo they are not going to know what to research (even assuming they had the means and inclination at the time).  And at least some people are liable to make an association with the swastika.</p>
<p>When I first saw the logo I assumed Crass were some sort of National Front skinhead Oi! group.</p>
<p>We can dispute just how many people are likely to jump to this conclusion but that fact is *some* people do because of the logo.   </p>
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		<title>By: Stevie Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevie Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep taking the tablets Warren </description>
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		<title>By: mr_3</title>
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		<dc:creator>mr_3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When someone with no knowledge on a subject feels the need to contribute their opinion on that subject, and worse by comparing Crass&#039;s symbol of all things to the swastika (which may be the most diametrically opposed symbol someone could conjure up), they get what they&#039;ve earned...advice to educate themselves before opening their mouth and sounding like a fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When someone with no knowledge on a subject feels the need to contribute their opinion on that subject, and worse by comparing Crass&#8217;s symbol of all things to the swastika (which may be the most diametrically opposed symbol someone could conjure up), they get what they&#8217;ve earned&#8230;advice to educate themselves before opening their mouth and sounding like a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: jeligula</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334525</link>
		<dc:creator>jeligula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an example of moderation as a social dynamic.  Antinous has the readership trained in that most Boingers realize that crass behavior will not be tolerated. This is not the Yahoo! News comment boards and the moderators work hard to keep it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an example of moderation as a social dynamic.  Antinous has the readership trained in that most Boingers realize that crass behavior will not be tolerated. This is not the Yahoo! News comment boards and the moderators work hard to keep it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as HardwareLDN are concerned, have no concerns. Thanks to a few of us oldies on Facebook and via the Southern forum, we hassled, threatened, promised and made the so-called-but-not-very creative director spend a weekend on her houseboat coming up with another logo.  The dialogues between us all were precious, with the cd stating &quot;We are all fans of The Crass&quot;...haha, yeah right...once it was explained that Penis Envy and &quot;whorewear&quot; could never be considered compatible, they finally gave in.  Alison at Southern did receive some dialogue from their distributor with some veiled threats I believe, but the logo was changed within 48 hours...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as HardwareLDN are concerned, have no concerns. Thanks to a few of us oldies on Facebook and via the Southern forum, we hassled, threatened, promised and made the so-called-but-not-very creative director spend a weekend on her houseboat coming up with another logo.  The dialogues between us all were precious, with the cd stating &#8220;We are all fans of The Crass&#8221;&#8230;haha, yeah right&#8230;once it was explained that Penis Envy and &#8220;whorewear&#8221; could never be considered compatible, they finally gave in.  Alison at Southern did receive some dialogue from their distributor with some veiled threats I believe, but the logo was changed within 48 hours&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: retepslluerb</title>
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		<dc:creator>retepslluerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply red/black doesn&#039;t bother me, but the logo belongs to a family of logos/a logo style that&#039;s being used by German neo-nazis to evoke the feeling of the original sign, which they can&#039;t use for legal reasons.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply red/black doesn&#8217;t bother me, but the logo belongs to a family of logos/a logo style that&#8217;s being used by German neo-nazis to evoke the feeling of the original sign, which they can&#8217;t use for legal reasons.   </p>
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		<title>By: cdincanada</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdincanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony is that Hardware&#039;s misappropriation of the symbol is truly crass commercialism… </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is that Hardware&#8217;s misappropriation of the symbol is truly crass commercialism… </p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334433</link>
		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether it was based on a swastika- nazi, Amerindian, or whatever- isn&#039;t the point. The point is that Hardonware is stealing it. Wouldn&#039;t matter if it was a pic of a bum with a stick up it impaling a baby&#039;s eye. It&#039;s stealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether it was based on a swastika- nazi, Amerindian, or whatever- isn&#8217;t the point. The point is that Hardonware is stealing it. Wouldn&#8217;t matter if it was a pic of a bum with a stick up it impaling a baby&#8217;s eye. It&#8217;s stealing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mujokan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334422</link>
		<dc:creator>Mujokan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can read about it here: http://books.google.com/books?id=-iqD__ZkppsC

It&#039;s just what he said in the article above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can read about it here: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=-iqD__ZkppsC" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=-iqD__ZkppsC</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s just what he said in the article above.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Kuehn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334403</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Kuehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not entirely dissimilar from my Wealth Inequality ($ Not Equal) symbol: http://aarline.info/Not_Equal.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not entirely dissimilar from my Wealth Inequality ($ Not Equal) symbol: http://aarline.info/Not_Equal.pdf</p>
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		<title>By: slowtiger</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334389</link>
		<dc:creator>slowtiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody noticed that *Hardware* doesn&#039;t use the ripped logo on their website? http://hardwareldn.co.uk/aboutus.php shows an innocent logo based on the Union Jack cross. Was that their logo all the time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody noticed that *Hardware* doesn&#8217;t use the ripped logo on their website? <a href="http://hardwareldn.co.uk/aboutus.php" rel="nofollow">http://hardwareldn.co.uk/aboutus.php</a> shows an innocent logo based on the Union Jack cross. Was that their logo all the time?</p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334378</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the red/black one also has the same layout and colors as an american &quot;no parking&quot; sign.  i had always thought parking nazi was just a figure of speech...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the red/black one also has the same layout and colors as an american &#8220;no parking&#8221; sign.  i had always thought parking nazi was just a figure of speech&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: retepslluerb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334372</link>
		<dc:creator>retepslluerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly don&#039;t get the association with a swastika out of my head, the base image  and the red/black one  - reeks of Nazi symbology to me.  

But then again, as a German I operate in a quite different cultural context than the designer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly don&#8217;t get the association with a swastika out of my head, the base image  and the red/black one  - reeks of Nazi symbology to me.  </p>
<p>But then again, as a German I operate in a quite different cultural context than the designer. </p>
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		<title>By: Aron</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334304</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well you got me there.  the black and red stencil piece is probably intentionally similar to the nazi swastika.  though if you are interested in seeing the common color scheme of the crass symbol as it has been used by people for the last 30 or so years just google image search &quot;crass&quot;.    in my opinion unfortunate would be the partridge family colors used for the that second stencil good god that&#039;s painful to look at.  but this is just art criticism really.  
also if you are interested in becoming familiar with crass you could start with youtube 
http://youtu.be/zW1LAr8sbM0
here&#039;s a crass song that has always inexplicably held a warm spot in my heart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well you got me there.  the black and red stencil piece is probably intentionally similar to the nazi swastika.  though if you are interested in seeing the common color scheme of the crass symbol as it has been used by people for the last 30 or so years just google image search &#8220;crass&#8221;.    in my opinion unfortunate would be the partridge family colors used for the that second stencil good god that&#8217;s painful to look at.  but this is just art criticism really. <br />
also if you are interested in becoming familiar with crass you could start with youtube<br />
<a href="http://youtu.be/zW1LAr8sbM0" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/zW1LAr8sbM0</a><br />
here&#8217;s a crass song that has always inexplicably held a warm spot in my heart</p>
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		<title>By: Edamame</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334290</link>
		<dc:creator>Edamame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The origin and meaning of the symbol is explained by Penny Rimbaud in this clip:
(It&#039;s at 37mins 12seconds in if this link does not jump to the right point)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ1CvwF7BQ&amp;t=37m12s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The origin and meaning of the symbol is explained by Penny Rimbaud in this clip:<br />
(It&#8217;s at 37mins 12seconds in if this link does not jump to the right point)<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ1CvwF7BQ&#038;t=37m12s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ1CvwF7BQ&#038;t=37m12s</a></p>
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		<title>By: Warren_Terra</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334277</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren_Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the Swastika is a cross (especially in the German, the Hakenkreuz or hooked cross). I was hardly unaware of this. But there are plenty of crosses that don&#039;t inspire this same visceral response in me - crucifixes and Red Cross logos, for example. The Swastika is freighted by history (very unfairly to those who&#039;d like to honor its former use in Hindu temples, for example), and that makes it more than just a cross. As I look at the graphic art above, there&#039;s something about the red-and-black color scheme, with a cross at the center and circumferential sweeping arms that adds up to remind me, very unfortunately, of the Swastika.

As I said above, this isn&#039;t meant to impugn the designers or users of the symbol. It&#039;s just a description of my own automatic response to the image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the Swastika is a cross (especially in the German, the Hakenkreuz or hooked cross). I was hardly unaware of this. But there are plenty of crosses that don&#8217;t inspire this same visceral response in me &#8211; crucifixes and Red Cross logos, for example. The Swastika is freighted by history (very unfairly to those who&#8217;d like to honor its former use in Hindu temples, for example), and that makes it more than just a cross. As I look at the graphic art above, there&#8217;s something about the red-and-black color scheme, with a cross at the center and circumferential sweeping arms that adds up to remind me, very unfortunately, of the Swastika.</p>
<p>As I said above, this isn&#8217;t meant to impugn the designers or users of the symbol. It&#8217;s just a description of my own automatic response to the image.</p>
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		<title>By: lolipop</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334232</link>
		<dc:creator>lolipop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is it&#039;s St George&#039;s Cross with the Serpent negating it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is it&#8217;s St George&#8217;s Cross with the Serpent negating it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tchoutoye</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/01/31/free-the-crass-symbol-by-t.html#comment-1334215</link>
		<dc:creator>Tchoutoye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, but I wish Dave had addressed the following two  issues. 

First of all, for those who can&#039;t get the association with a swastika out of their head, his choice of symbols, the serpent and cross, and what they and their juxtaposition represent for him. Was it, for instance, inspired by the Flamel/Alchemical Cross, or even Numbers 21:9?

And secondly, his thoughts on litigation over Hardware&#039;s appropriation/infringement, both in a practical sense and in the context of his radical anarchist ideas (at the time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, but I wish Dave had addressed the following two  issues. </p>
<p>First of all, for those who can&#8217;t get the association with a swastika out of their head, his choice of symbols, the serpent and cross, and what they and their juxtaposition represent for him. Was it, for instance, inspired by the Flamel/Alchemical Cross, or even Numbers 21:9?</p>
<p>And secondly, his thoughts on litigation over Hardware&#8217;s appropriation/infringement, both in a practical sense and in the context of his radical anarchist ideas (at the time).</p>
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