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	<title>Comments on: Map shows NYC&#039;s energy consumption,&#160;building-by-building</title>
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		<title>By: carabosse</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1340413</link>
		<dc:creator>carabosse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct-This map does *not* show energy use building by building.  It shows energy use by zipcode, as allocated across taxlots based on area. Which isn&#039;t a very useful way to render the data. 

Overall it looks to be an interesting project, but the work is not far enough along to be published yet.  These guys need to spend some time at the Columbia U Spatial Design Lab and learn how to make an effective map.  Just because some software will let you do something doesn&#039;t mean that you should.  

Many comments have pointed out the correlation of energy use with building height.  They already have this information but they are not using it. It is in the same file they got the taxlot sizes from, which includes building square footage, number of floors, building class (around 200 types), building age and renovation year, and for large buildings--a further breakdown of square footage by type of use.

It&#039;s tricky to transform the zipcode level data to taxlot resolution.  You would need to use some real world data from individual buildings to develop the model.  Maybe when the methodology is published their map will make more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct-This map does *not* show energy use building by building.  It shows energy use by zipcode, as allocated across taxlots based on area. Which isn&#8217;t a very useful way to render the data. </p>
<p>Overall it looks to be an interesting project, but the work is not far enough along to be published yet.  These guys need to spend some time at the Columbia U Spatial Design Lab and learn how to make an effective map.  Just because some software will let you do something doesn&#8217;t mean that you should.  </p>
<p>Many comments have pointed out the correlation of energy use with building height.  They already have this information but they are not using it. It is in the same file they got the taxlot sizes from, which includes building square footage, number of floors, building class (around 200 types), building age and renovation year, and for large buildings&#8211;a further breakdown of square footage by type of use.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tricky to transform the zipcode level data to taxlot resolution.  You would need to use some real world data from individual buildings to develop the model.  Maybe when the methodology is published their map will make more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1338485</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A measure per square metre of usable floor space might be better.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not sure why this would be useful, since it would make an 8000-square-foot McMansion or office space appear just as green as an 600-square-foot New York apartment, because they might both use the same number of watts per sq-ft.

More floor space = more energy, but this is a bad thing, and not something that should be removed from the equation by dividing by it.

The number of people living in the space is the key metric. If four adults can live in NY and use 200 KWH/month, then they are far greener than 2 adults living in a huge suburban house using 1500 KWH/month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A measure per square metre of usable floor space might be better.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not sure why this would be useful, since it would make an 8000-square-foot McMansion or office space appear just as green as an 600-square-foot New York apartment, because they might both use the same number of watts per sq-ft.</p>
<p>More floor space = more energy, but this is a bad thing, and not something that should be removed from the equation by dividing by it.</p>
<p>The number of people living in the space is the key metric. If four adults can live in NY and use 200 KWH/month, then they are far greener than 2 adults living in a huge suburban house using 1500 KWH/month.</p>
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		<title>By: LinkMan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1338318</link>
		<dc:creator>LinkMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that this does NOT show energy consumption building by building. It shows energy consumption block by block and uses only raw land area, not the usable square footage of buildings.  So as others have pointed out above, the energy usage tends to correlate with the height of the buildings.

The building where I live, for example, is part of a complex of four identical buildings (that I&#039;m fairly confident use very similar amounts of energy) with two buildings on each of two blocks.   Yet one block shows up much darker than the other, presumably because it&#039;s smaller. 

My guess is that if you recalculated this by built square footage instead of raw land area, many areas of the image would be reversed, since a typical modern 50 story office tower makes much more efficient use of light, heat, etc. per square foot than a 6 story 100-year-old apartment building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that this does NOT show energy consumption building by building. It shows energy consumption block by block and uses only raw land area, not the usable square footage of buildings.  So as others have pointed out above, the energy usage tends to correlate with the height of the buildings.</p>
<p>The building where I live, for example, is part of a complex of four identical buildings (that I&#8217;m fairly confident use very similar amounts of energy) with two buildings on each of two blocks.   Yet one block shows up much darker than the other, presumably because it&#8217;s smaller. </p>
<p>My guess is that if you recalculated this by built square footage instead of raw land area, many areas of the image would be reversed, since a typical modern 50 story office tower makes much more efficient use of light, heat, etc. per square foot than a 6 story 100-year-old apartment building.</p>
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		<title>By: RDB RDB</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1338094</link>
		<dc:creator>RDB RDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another how to lie with statistics

of course power utilization is going to become obscene when you&#039;re measuring power density by lot size in a major metro, instead of by floor space.

quickly calculating a few dark reds they&#039;re at ~500kwhr per m^2 per year
with massive amounts of servers and at a gentle 72F year round

my modest house operates at ~230kwhr per m^2 per year with a thermostat at an average 58F during the winter and using AC during the 2 hot weeks of summer.

calculating it by lot size i use 13kwhr per m^2 per year.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another how to lie with statistics</p>
<p>of course power utilization is going to become obscene when you&#8217;re measuring power density by lot size in a major metro, instead of by floor space.</p>
<p>quickly calculating a few dark reds they&#8217;re at ~500kwhr per m^2 per year<br />
with massive amounts of servers and at a gentle 72F year round</p>
<p>my modest house operates at ~230kwhr per m^2 per year with a thermostat at an average 58F during the winter and using AC during the 2 hot weeks of summer.</p>
<p>calculating it by lot size i use 13kwhr per m^2 per year&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: RDB RDB</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1338093</link>
		<dc:creator>RDB RDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the big trading houses and banks run on OpenVMS

their Galaxies are spread out between NYC, NJ, Conn and PA,  just to start locally to NYC

this is why you never heard a single word about wallstreet being unable to function after 9/11.

ontop of that the exchanges operate with a built in latency in stock tick. this was developed to &quot;level&quot; the playing field so that no trading house had an advantage by placing their trading cluster right next door to the NYSE. this built in latency is what allows them to all extend their clusters into galaxies for load balancing and DR in NJ PA &amp; Conn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the big trading houses and banks run on OpenVMS</p>
<p>their Galaxies are spread out between NYC, NJ, Conn and PA,  just to start locally to NYC</p>
<p>this is why you never heard a single word about wallstreet being unable to function after 9/11.</p>
<p>ontop of that the exchanges operate with a built in latency in stock tick. this was developed to &#8220;level&#8221; the playing field so that no trading house had an advantage by placing their trading cluster right next door to the NYSE. this built in latency is what allows them to all extend their clusters into galaxies for load balancing and DR in NJ PA &amp; Conn</p>
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		<title>By: digi_owl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1338061</link>
		<dc:creator>digi_owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> So they are growing a different kind of green. Not that i am sure it is any more legal or healthy than the natural kind, heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> So they are growing a different kind of green. Not that i am sure it is any more legal or healthy than the natural kind, heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1337995</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 07:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can you grow coca indoors?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Pretty sure they just import the cocaine.</description>
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<p>Pretty sure they just import the cocaine.</p>
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		<title>By: BonzoDog1</title>
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		<dc:creator>BonzoDog1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They just finished a $13 million retrofit on the Empire State Building (6,500 windows!) and are expecting a three-year payback on the investment then $4.4 million a year clear sailing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They just finished a $13 million retrofit on the Empire State Building (6,500 windows!) and are expecting a three-year payback on the investment then $4.4 million a year clear sailing. </p>
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		<title>By: Bilsko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1337914</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 01:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually a lot of the really big trading floors were required by the SEC to move *out* and away from NYC after 9-11.  (Thats one reason that RBS and UBS opened huge trading floors up in Stamford, CT)

There&#039;s certainly a lot of IT equipment and data-center-ish type installations in downtown NYC, but not as much of the trading-floor type as one might assume. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually a lot of the really big trading floors were required by the SEC to move *out* and away from NYC after 9-11.  (Thats one reason that RBS and UBS opened huge trading floors up in Stamford, CT)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s certainly a lot of IT equipment and data-center-ish type installations in downtown NYC, but not as much of the trading-floor type as one might assume. </p>
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		<title>By: Bilsko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hospitals are pretty big consumers of both electric and thermal energy.  They&#039;re on all day, every day.  In that regard, utilities like them because, compared to some other types of load, they&#039;re very predictable and the also have relatively high Load Factor ( their Peak electric demand isn&#039;t very much above their average electric demand).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hospitals are pretty big consumers of both electric and thermal energy.  They&#8217;re on all day, every day.  In that regard, utilities like them because, compared to some other types of load, they&#8217;re very predictable and the also have relatively high Load Factor ( their Peak electric demand isn&#8217;t very much above their average electric demand).  </p>
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		<title>By: guanto</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1337900</link>
		<dc:creator>guanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that&#039;s fontographer lingo.</description>
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		<title>By: schr0559</title>
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		<dc:creator>schr0559</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably different kinds of farms: servers.  High-speed traders put their hardware as close to the central exchanges as possible.

Then again, it&#039;s Wall St.  Can you grow coca indoors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably different kinds of farms: servers.  High-speed traders put their hardware as close to the central exchanges as possible.</p>
<p>Then again, it&#8217;s Wall St.  Can you grow coca indoors?</p>
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		<title>By: Bilsko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1337851</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting to get my hands on the paper and review the methodology, because - at least from the limited data set that I&#039;ve worked with - I can see some flaws in the numbers. 
I&#039;ve been developing on-site energy projects in New York for a couple years now and have the actual consumption data for a few buildings.  There are big differences between Modi&#039;s estimates and the actual consumption numbers (for these specific  buildings, his numbers are way too high).   I&#039;ll come back with a follow-up comment what I get the chance to look at the formulas used. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting to get my hands on the paper and review the methodology, because &#8211; at least from the limited data set that I&#8217;ve worked with &#8211; I can see some flaws in the numbers. <br />
I&#8217;ve been developing on-site energy projects in New York for a couple years now and have the actual consumption data for a few buildings.  There are big differences between Modi&#8217;s estimates and the actual consumption numbers (for these specific  buildings, his numbers are way too high).   I&#8217;ll come back with a follow-up comment what I get the chance to look at the formulas used. </p>
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		<title>By: leidentech</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1337843</link>
		<dc:creator>leidentech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was my exact question... the energy consumption seems to directly correlate to the height of the buildings (as I remember them from a decade ago) so it seems to me that either that&#039;s not being taken into account or highrises are just that much more inefficient (which is not what I would expect.)  Looking at the square foot numbers though, it&#039;s just land size and not floor space.  So, ultimately meaningless.  Unless I&#039;m misreading this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my exact question&#8230; the energy consumption seems to directly correlate to the height of the buildings (as I remember them from a decade ago) so it seems to me that either that&#8217;s not being taken into account or highrises are just that much more inefficient (which is not what I would expect.)  Looking at the square foot numbers though, it&#8217;s just land size and not floor space.  So, ultimately meaningless.  Unless I&#8217;m misreading this.</p>
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		<title>By: jccalhoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>jccalhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess hospitals use a lot of power because i clicked on 4 dark places and looked up the address they gave and they were all hospitals. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess hospitals use a lot of power because i clicked on 4 dark places and looked up the address they gave and they were all hospitals. </p>
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		<title>By: digi_owl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1337835</link>
		<dc:creator>digi_owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Seems to be a whole lot a growin&#039; going on down on Wall Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Seems to be a whole lot a growin&#8217; going on down on Wall Street.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Winkelmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Winkelmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree. The usage of the building also needs to be taken into account. A measure per square metre of usable floor space might be better. Perhaps some normalisation for person-hours of building usage (to account people density and for 24 hour occupancy versus &quot;business hours&quot;) would also add some useful filtering. The raw data presented here really is just a proxy for building height.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree. The usage of the building also needs to be taken into account. A measure per square metre of usable floor space might be better. Perhaps some normalisation for person-hours of building usage (to account people density and for 24 hour occupancy versus &#8220;business hours&#8221;) would also add some useful filtering. The raw data presented here really is just a proxy for building height.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadreck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadreck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that saying that buildings in NYC &quot;use far more energy in form of heat rather than electricity&quot; is accurate; or if it is if it will be accurate for long.  Here in Toronto we&#039;ve used more energy in air conditioning each year than in heating since at least 2000 and NYC is further to the south than we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that saying that buildings in NYC &#8220;use far more energy in form of heat rather than electricity&#8221; is accurate; or if it is if it will be accurate for long.  Here in Toronto we&#8217;ve used more energy in air conditioning each year than in heating since at least 2000 and NYC is further to the south than we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Cotton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Cotton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example of a cool looking data viz- that doesn&#039;t quite do its job</description>
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		<title>By: Bodhipaksa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bodhipaksa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, but &quot;estimateans&quot;?</description>
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		<title>By: Ender Wiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ender Wiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every grower in the borroughs should be shitting a brick right now..</description>
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		<title>By: Moriarty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moriarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really cool, but wouldn&#039;t per capita numbers - or some other inverse density measure - be more useful? Obviously a 40 story building is going to use more energy per land area than a 4 story building, but that doesn&#039;t make it less efficient. (In fact, it would almost certainly be more efficient.) Or am I misreading this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really cool, but wouldn&#8217;t per capita numbers &#8211; or some other inverse density measure &#8211; be more useful? Obviously a 40 story building is going to use more energy per land area than a 4 story building, but that doesn&#8217;t make it less efficient. (In fact, it would almost certainly be more efficient.) Or am I misreading this?</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Tatarskii</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/04/map-shows-nycs-energy-consum.html#comment-1337762</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Tatarskii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a must-have for anybody looking for pot growers :)
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/04/11/11greenwire-study-pot-growers-inhale-1-of-us-electricity-e-62219.html </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a must-have for anybody looking for pot growers :)<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/04/11/11greenwire-study-pot-growers-inhale-1-of-us-electricity-e-62219.html " rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/04/11/11greenwire-study-pot-growers-inhale-1-of-us-electricity-e-62219.html </a></p>
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