Comments on: Involuntary transparency for Canada's spying-bill MP http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 25 May 2013 08:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Chris Bush http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347950 Chris Bush Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:34:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347950 This and other bills can be discussed and voted upon directly here. Let's send a message to Parliament.  http://democratize.ca/?bill=240 This and other bills can be discussed and voted upon directly here. Let’s send a message to Parliament.  http://democratize.ca/?bill=240

]]> By: Funk Daddy http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347540 Funk Daddy Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347540 <b>PDF</b> http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/I-20.7.pdf  PDF http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/I-20.7.pdf 

]]> By: Funk Daddy http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347539 Funk Daddy Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347539 Crazy. Not one media outlet or blogger has noted the existing law and it's powers in relation to the tabled bill.--- This remains true. Is this because the law is very new, having come into force on Dec 8, 2011? Crazy. Not one media outlet or blogger has noted the existing law and it’s powers in relation to the tabled bill.—
This remains true. Is this because the law is very new, having come into force on Dec 8, 2011?

]]> By: Warren Grant http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347341 Warren Grant Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347341  Yes, if Canada were not a "Western" country, we would be talking about the "Harper Regime" by now.  Yes, if Canada were not a “Western” country, we would be talking about the “Harper Regime” by now.

]]> By: NoOneSpecific http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347287 NoOneSpecific Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347287 Yes, but the emails sent by Government employees, Members of Parliment, their staff and the PM himself, their collective home and office phone numbers, etc., ad nauseum are not available and these are the "records" that should be FIRST, before they try and jam this crap down our collective throats. Because you know, "If THEY have nothing to hide, THEY have nothing to fear", right? (Yes, I know the OP is talking about Court Records. Taking this on a related tangent...) Yes, but the emails sent by Government employees, Members of Parliment, their staff and the PM himself, their collective home and office phone numbers, etc., ad nauseum are not available and these are the “records” that should be FIRST, before they try and jam this crap down our collective throats.

Because you know, “If THEY have nothing to hide, THEY have nothing to fear”, right?

(Yes, I know the OP is talking about Court Records. Taking this on a related tangent…)

]]> By: NoOneSpecific http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347269 NoOneSpecific Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347269 Gee! The Government lies??? Noooooo That never happens. FYI, the CBC may be careful speaking ill of the hand that feeds it. Wouldn't put it past the "interested parties" to put in a call suggesting there may be cuts in funding if... Because we all know the "Harper Government" is totally honest and above board, right? /s Gee! The Government lies??? Noooooo That never happens. FYI, the CBC may be careful speaking ill of the hand that feeds it. Wouldn’t put it past the “interested parties” to put in a call suggesting there may be cuts in funding if…

Because we all know the “Harper Government” is totally honest and above board, right?

/s

]]> By: robdobbs http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347238 robdobbs Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347238 Not gay, just a convicted fraudster and adulterer - err - I meant to say "politician". Not gay, just a convicted fraudster and adulterer – err – I meant to say “politician”.

]]> By: markbellis http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347173 markbellis Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:18:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347173 Hi Reid! Although much less is available online than in the US - mostly you have to go down to the actual courthouse where the case took place to get it. Hi Reid! Although much less is available online than in the US – mostly you have to go down to the actual courthouse where the case took place to get it.

]]> By: Daemonworks http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347102 Daemonworks Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347102 What we need is a politician who opposes this to introduce a bill that requires all politicians and their familities to be under mandatory 24/7 video surveillance because they could, potentially, be receiving bribes. After all, if they have nothing to fear, they have nothing to hide... right? What we need is a politician who opposes this to introduce a bill that requires all politicians and their familities to be under mandatory 24/7 video surveillance because they could, potentially, be receiving bribes.

After all, if they have nothing to fear, they have nothing to hide… right?

]]> By: MostlyCivil http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347036 MostlyCivil Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347036 All court records in Canada are public records, unless otherwise ruled. Thus the desire by so many clients to settle without a court intervening. You file a court record, i can go look for it. All court records in Canada are public records, unless otherwise ruled. Thus the desire by so many clients to settle without a court intervening. You file a court record, i can go look for it.

]]> By: RichardHenderson http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1347018 RichardHenderson Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1347018 Ugly? Good. Fuck him. Philandering scumbag. I just love how these guys preach to the world about how pious they are - and yet they're more vile and hypocritical than the people they belittle. Just like the Catholic Church and the US Neo-cons. And the sheeple? Eat it up like it's fucking pumpkin pie. Ugly? Good.
Fuck him.
Philandering scumbag. I just love how these guys preach to the world about how pious they are – and yet they’re more vile and hypocritical than the people they belittle.

Just like the Catholic Church and the US Neo-cons.

And the sheeple? Eat it up like it’s fucking pumpkin pie.

]]> By: 97A http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1346987 97A Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:18:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1346987 Anyone who campaigns as a family values conservative better be prepared for this kind of blow back. Hypocrites need to be called out. Also, it highlights the unintended consequences of data collection. Anyone who campaigns as a family values conservative better be prepared for this kind of blow back. Hypocrites need to be called out. Also, it highlights the unintended consequences of data collection.

]]> By: Church http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1346970 Church Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1346970 <em> This is an awfully ugly tactic...</em> Rather the point, innit?  This is an awfully ugly tactic…

Rather the point, innit?

]]> By: gadgetgirl http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1346962 gadgetgirl Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1346962 It seems the Conservatives have yet to appreciate the hypocrisy that they are the most centralised, most closed-door government we've had in ages (perhaps ever), yet they want the rest of us to live in a world with no walls. I know people who work for various ministries, lifer civil servants with 20 years + of experience, and they tell me they have *never* seen a government with such strong central control emanating from the PM's office. It seems the push is on to expand that control beyond the Tory party whips and onto the general Canadian population. We joke about Emperor Harper, but the joke's not just random. Not that funny either, in the face of stuff like this. It seems the Conservatives have yet to appreciate the hypocrisy that they are the most centralised, most closed-door government we’ve had in ages (perhaps ever), yet they want the rest of us to live in a world with no walls. I know people who work for various ministries, lifer civil servants with 20 years + of experience, and they tell me they have *never* seen a government with such strong central control emanating from the PM’s office. It seems the push is on to expand that control beyond the Tory party whips and onto the general Canadian population. We joke about Emperor Harper, but the joke’s not just random. Not that funny either, in the face of stuff like this.

]]> By: NoOneSpecific http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1346943 NoOneSpecific Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1346943 If our MPs want complete involuntary transparency let's start with their personal and professional emails, faxes and SMS, etc. all being made public in real time. Publish their home addresses, all phone numbers and email accounts. Everything. Let's see how they like "involuntary transparency" then. Because you know, "If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear", right? =P If our MPs want complete involuntary transparency let’s start with their personal and professional emails, faxes and SMS, etc. all being made public in real time. Publish their home addresses, all phone numbers and email accounts. Everything. Let’s see how they like “involuntary transparency” then.

Because you know, “If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear”, right?

=P

]]> By: EH http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1346922 EH Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1346922 <i>This is an awfully ugly tactic and will likely be counterproductive.</i> BS, he's the perfect target for high-profile muckraking. You might think of it as simple character assassination, but as a professional writer I would think you would have a more nuanced sense of the forces at play here. This is an awfully ugly tactic and will likely be counterproductive.

BS, he’s the perfect target for high-profile muckraking. You might think of it as simple character assassination, but as a professional writer I would think you would have a more nuanced sense of the forces at play here.

]]> By: Sarge Misfit http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1346919 Sarge Misfit Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1346919 I can easily live with not gathering info. As for it being an ugly tactic, its nothing worse than what the politicians use themselves when running their campaigns. I can easily live with not gathering info.

As for it being an ugly tactic, its nothing worse than what the politicians use themselves when running their campaigns.

]]> By: joeposts http://boingboing.net/2012/02/15/involuntary-transparency-for-c.html#comment-1346913 joeposts Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=144156#comment-1346913 Well, at least he's not trying to hide the fact that he's gay ... right? Like John Baird, or Jason Kenney.. etc. Nothing wrong with being gay, it's just curious that politicians so unconcerned with privacy feel like they have to hide parts of their lives from other people. Well, at least he’s not trying to hide the fact that he’s gay … right? Like John Baird, or Jason Kenney.. etc. Nothing wrong with being gay, it’s just curious that politicians so unconcerned with privacy feel like they have to hide parts of their lives from other people.

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