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		<title>By: johnbiggs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1353299</link>
		<dc:creator>johnbiggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s not applicable at all. At the very worst this is like getting your stomach stapled to lose weight and all the free observation of markers and self-control in the world will still result in popping out a sucker. Our UID was 98% effective or whatever and we have #3. We don&#039;t want #4.

I wrote this as a) a description of the experience to folks who might be thinking about it and b) as a meditation on life and children. I look forward to your forthcoming piece about to the exciting times you and your partner have examining vaginal mucous. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s not applicable at all. At the very worst this is like getting your stomach stapled to lose weight and all the free observation of markers and self-control in the world will still result in popping out a sucker. Our UID was 98% effective or whatever and we have #3. We don&#8217;t want #4.</p>
<p>I wrote this as a) a description of the experience to folks who might be thinking about it and b) as a meditation on life and children. I look forward to your forthcoming piece about to the exciting times you and your partner have examining vaginal mucous. </p>
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		<title>By: Adam Cahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Cahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you&#039;re never in one of those &quot;Last-man Last-woman Post-apocalypse&quot; situations ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you&#8217;re never in one of those &#8220;Last-man Last-woman Post-apocalypse&#8221; situations ;)</p>
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		<title>By: not a doktor</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1352418</link>
		<dc:creator>not a doktor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least you&#039;re not a Communist.</description>
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		<title>By: Bobby Parker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1352036</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar experience http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/j3mq0/i_am_at_the_urologist_waiting_while_my_boyfriend/c28uxlg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar experience <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/j3mq0/i_am_at_the_urologist_waiting_while_my_boyfriend/c28uxlg" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/j3mq0/i_am_at_the_urologist_waiting_while_my_boyfriend/c28uxlg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1351241</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naturalistic fallacy, try again.

My body, I do what I want with it. I don&#039;t want kids, therefore, it IS a disease (and that&#039;s what the hospital admission form said: Reason for Admission: Persistent Fertility)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naturalistic fallacy, try again.</p>
<p>My body, I do what I want with it. I don&#8217;t want kids, therefore, it IS a disease (and that&#8217;s what the hospital admission form said: Reason for Admission: Persistent Fertility)</p>
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		<title>By: cjporkchop</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1351174</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Run a shelter for battered women that serves only Catholic women, you can claim the exemption.  Run a shelter for battered women that takes all comers, no dice.&quot;

Are you sure that&#039;s how it works? Honest question.

The way I understand it, it goes like this: If a Catholic church runs a shelter and is so small that it only hires its own Catholic church members as staff, then it can claim exemption. But if it runs a large hospital and hires people regardless of whether they&#039;re a Catholic church member, then they can&#039;t claim exemption.

Also, the way I understand the proposed Blunt Amendment-- It would allow employers to deny coverage to anything they found objectionable, religious reasons or not. Your boss doesn&#039;t like blood transfusions? Your insurance won&#039;t pay for one. Your boss thinks C-sections are morally objectionable? Your insurance won&#039;t pay for one.

Scary stuff, imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Run a shelter for battered women that serves only Catholic women, you can claim the exemption.  Run a shelter for battered women that takes all comers, no dice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you sure that&#8217;s how it works? Honest question.</p>
<p>The way I understand it, it goes like this: If a Catholic church runs a shelter and is so small that it only hires its own Catholic church members as staff, then it can claim exemption. But if it runs a large hospital and hires people regardless of whether they&#8217;re a Catholic church member, then they can&#8217;t claim exemption.</p>
<p>Also, the way I understand the proposed Blunt Amendment&#8211; It would allow employers to deny coverage to anything they found objectionable, religious reasons or not. Your boss doesn&#8217;t like blood transfusions? Your insurance won&#8217;t pay for one. Your boss thinks C-sections are morally objectionable? Your insurance won&#8217;t pay for one.</p>
<p>Scary stuff, imo.</p>
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		<title>By: urbanspaceman</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbanspaceman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the United States Supreme Court who inspired me to have my own vasectomy. When in 2007 they upheld the so-called Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, I felt it wouldn&#039;t be very long before Roe v. Wade would be history. So I got snipped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the United States Supreme Court who inspired me to have my own vasectomy. When in 2007 they upheld the so-called Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, I felt it wouldn&#8217;t be very long before Roe v. Wade would be history. So I got snipped.</p>
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		<title>By: cjporkchop</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1351149</link>
		<dc:creator>cjporkchop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A little (free!) observation of the woman&#039;s fertility markers, and a little self-control for 2-3 days a month, is all you need.&quot;

That, and money for an abortion if the 5% failure rate (at best!) for *perfect* use rears its ugly fetus head.

And what about women who have irregular cycles?

And what about women who have better things to do than make detailed notes about their vaginal discharges and underwear aromas?

And what about women who like to fuck two or three times a day, every day of the month?

It&#039;s fine to not want a vasectomy, of course, but I detect some holier-than-thou and smarter-than-thou attitudes in your comment.

I&#039;m happy to stick with the pill because it treats my acne along with preventing pregnancy. If it fails, I&#039;ve already got savings to cover a &#039;scrape-and-suck special&#039; at the local Planned Parenthood.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A little (free!) observation of the woman&#8217;s fertility markers, and a little self-control for 2-3 days a month, is all you need.&#8221;</p>
<p>That, and money for an abortion if the 5% failure rate (at best!) for *perfect* use rears its ugly fetus head.</p>
<p>And what about women who have irregular cycles?</p>
<p>And what about women who have better things to do than make detailed notes about their vaginal discharges and underwear aromas?</p>
<p>And what about women who like to fuck two or three times a day, every day of the month?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine to not want a vasectomy, of course, but I detect some holier-than-thou and smarter-than-thou attitudes in your comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to stick with the pill because it treats my acne along with preventing pregnancy. If it fails, I&#8217;ve already got savings to cover a &#8216;scrape-and-suck special&#8217; at the local Planned Parenthood.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1351101</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But please stop pretending there&#039;s no possible reason to be against that mandate other than hating women.  One very good reason to be against the mandate is that it is an infringement upon the free exercise of religion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;ll make you a deal.  You stop pretending that the Catholic Church isn&#039;t one of the most woman-hating institutions every devised by &lt;i&gt;man&lt;/i&gt; and we can have a serious discussion about this.  If the First Amendment is now used as a bulwark of institutionalized oppression, then it&#039;s time to burn the Constitution and start fresh.  Maybe a document written by a bunch of slave-owning, wealthy, white men doesn&#039;t have all the answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But please stop pretending there&#8217;s no possible reason to be against that mandate other than hating women.  One very good reason to be against the mandate is that it is an infringement upon the free exercise of religion.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll make you a deal.  You stop pretending that the Catholic Church isn&#8217;t one of the most woman-hating institutions every devised by <i>man</i> and we can have a serious discussion about this.  If the First Amendment is now used as a bulwark of institutionalized oppression, then it&#8217;s time to burn the Constitution and start fresh.  Maybe a document written by a bunch of slave-owning, wealthy, white men doesn&#8217;t have all the answers.</p>
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		<title>By: twency</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1351074</link>
		<dc:creator>twency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quite sure that large Catholic employers, one of the few groups which actually cares about such things, make sure their insurance doesn&#039;t include it.

Whether or not &quot;the birth control issue&quot; has a &quot;misogynist nature&quot;, the first amendment guarantees the free exercise of religion.  It is hardly unreasonable to conclude that that means the government is not permitted to force a religious employer to pay for an insurance plan that covers procedures and substances it considers immoral.  In fact, the Obama administration agrees, since it exempted churches, but tried to claim that only churches or agencies which served their own members but not the general public could claim the exemption.  (Run a shelter for battered women that serves only Catholic women, you can claim the exemption.  Run a shelter for battered women that takes all comers, no dice.)

I do not share the Catholic belief that birth control is wrong, so I don&#039;t have a dog in that particular fight.  But please stop pretending there&#039;s no possible reason to be against that mandate other than hating women.  One very good reason to be against the mandate is that it is an infringement upon the free exercise of religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite sure that large Catholic employers, one of the few groups which actually cares about such things, make sure their insurance doesn&#8217;t include it.</p>
<p>Whether or not &#8220;the birth control issue&#8221; has a &#8220;misogynist nature&#8221;, the first amendment guarantees the free exercise of religion.  It is hardly unreasonable to conclude that that means the government is not permitted to force a religious employer to pay for an insurance plan that covers procedures and substances it considers immoral.  In fact, the Obama administration agrees, since it exempted churches, but tried to claim that only churches or agencies which served their own members but not the general public could claim the exemption.  (Run a shelter for battered women that serves only Catholic women, you can claim the exemption.  Run a shelter for battered women that takes all comers, no dice.)</p>
<p>I do not share the Catholic belief that birth control is wrong, so I don&#8217;t have a dog in that particular fight.  But please stop pretending there&#8217;s no possible reason to be against that mandate other than hating women.  One very good reason to be against the mandate is that it is an infringement upon the free exercise of religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1351071</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked on a urology floor.  You can&#039;t scare me with bits and pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked on a urology floor.  You can&#8217;t scare me with bits and pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1351055</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sterilization is like getting your esophagus removed to avoid weight gain.  Yeah, it works, but holy mackerel, there are better options.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It sounds better than having a piece of plastic wrap snugly applied to your face every time you decide to eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sterilization is like getting your esophagus removed to avoid weight gain.  Yeah, it works, but holy mackerel, there are better options.</p></blockquote>
<p>It sounds better than having a piece of plastic wrap snugly applied to your face every time you decide to eat.</p>
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		<title>By: atarifan2600</title>
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		<dc:creator>atarifan2600</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was worse for me BECAUSE I didn&#039;t feel anything, yet saw that smoke.
I had visions of the doctor &quot;slipping&#039; with that cauterizer, and me not realizing it until afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was worse for me BECAUSE I didn&#8217;t feel anything, yet saw that smoke.<br />
I had visions of the doctor &#8220;slipping&#8217; with that cauterizer, and me not realizing it until afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: atarifan2600</title>
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		<dc:creator>atarifan2600</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My post-op medication was Tylenol-3, which is Acetaminophen + codeine-  that&#039;s probably a better source of glow than straight Ibuprophen, which doesn&#039;t do much in that regard, as far as I&#039;m aware.

I just had the procedure done a few days back-  At one point early in the procedure, something got tugged.  I could tell the anesthetic was working, because it should have been a lot more pain than I felt, given what was going on.

I described it to the doctor as a &quot;It felt as if there was a taut cord between the tip of my toes and the back of my eyeballs, and you just gave it a strum.&quot;

The most disconcerting part for me during my procedure was feeling the pressure  below my waist, while seeing the doctor start working with the cauterizing gun, which looked like a little fine-tipped weller soldering iron.  I didn&#039;t feel a thing, which made me frightened, thinking about what could have been going wrong.

--
Currentlty-  I&#039;m in a state of very low-grade discomfort when I walk, but nothing that&#039;d dissuade me from doing the process again.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post-op medication was Tylenol-3, which is Acetaminophen + codeine-  that&#8217;s probably a better source of glow than straight Ibuprophen, which doesn&#8217;t do much in that regard, as far as I&#8217;m aware.</p>
<p>I just had the procedure done a few days back-  At one point early in the procedure, something got tugged.  I could tell the anesthetic was working, because it should have been a lot more pain than I felt, given what was going on.</p>
<p>I described it to the doctor as a &#8220;It felt as if there was a taut cord between the tip of my toes and the back of my eyeballs, and you just gave it a strum.&#8221;</p>
<p>The most disconcerting part for me during my procedure was feeling the pressure  below my waist, while seeing the doctor start working with the cauterizing gun, which looked like a little fine-tipped weller soldering iron.  I didn&#8217;t feel a thing, which made me frightened, thinking about what could have been going wrong.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Currentlty-  I&#8217;m in a state of very low-grade discomfort when I walk, but nothing that&#8217;d dissuade me from doing the process again.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The difference is there&#039;s no push to force religious employers to pay for insurance plans which pay for vasectomies, in violation of the dictates of those religions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;There&#039;s no push because most insurance covers it and religious employers aren&#039;t fighting it.  Which just proves the misogynist nature of the birth control issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The difference is there&#8217;s no push to force religious employers to pay for insurance plans which pay for vasectomies, in violation of the dictates of those religions.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s no push because most insurance covers it and religious employers aren&#8217;t fighting it.  Which just proves the misogynist nature of the birth control issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Antinous_Moderator:disqus Given that I had to have a second operation, it&#039;s an additional charge.

I&#039;m assuming that second one is prix fixe, since they pop &#039;em out to find &#039;em all. (I told you you didn&#039;t want to know what they did for the second)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Antinous_Moderator:disqus Given that I had to have a second operation, it&#8217;s an additional charge.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming that second one is prix fixe, since they pop &#8216;em out to find &#8216;em all. (I told you you didn&#8217;t want to know what they did for the second)</p>
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		<title>By: technogeekagain</title>
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		<dc:creator>technogeekagain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been dithering about this for decades.  

I&#039;ve long been in the &quot;don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever want kids&quot; camp... but I was hesitating in case life took a left turn and I wound up deeply involved with someone who felt otherwise and specifically wanted my genes.  And since I&#039;ve never been particularly promiscuous, I didn&#039;t consider the &quot;sales advantage&quot; aspect significant.

Given that I now consider myself middle-aged, odds are that this will never be an issue. But that also means that, very soon, any lady I&#039;m involved with will be likely to be post-menopausal, which solves the breeding problem non-surgically.

I really do wish that the drug companies hadn&#039;t chickened out of developing a male equivalent of the pill. Something that could be more easily reversed would have been a more attractive option, and I don&#039;t like putting the burden on my partner. And condoms just aren&#039;t equivalent, though they&#039;re acceptable as a fallback.

I may yet talk myself into it. But at this point I think that&#039;s unlikely unless my current long-term relationship ends AND some Sweet Young Thing decides she&#039;s interested. Neither of which is especially likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been dithering about this for decades.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve long been in the &#8220;don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever want kids&#8221; camp&#8230; but I was hesitating in case life took a left turn and I wound up deeply involved with someone who felt otherwise and specifically wanted my genes.  And since I&#8217;ve never been particularly promiscuous, I didn&#8217;t consider the &#8220;sales advantage&#8221; aspect significant.</p>
<p>Given that I now consider myself middle-aged, odds are that this will never be an issue. But that also means that, very soon, any lady I&#8217;m involved with will be likely to be post-menopausal, which solves the breeding problem non-surgically.</p>
<p>I really do wish that the drug companies hadn&#8217;t chickened out of developing a male equivalent of the pill. Something that could be more easily reversed would have been a more attractive option, and I don&#8217;t like putting the burden on my partner. And condoms just aren&#8217;t equivalent, though they&#8217;re acceptable as a fallback.</p>
<p>I may yet talk myself into it. But at this point I think that&#8217;s unlikely unless my current long-term relationship ends AND some Sweet Young Thing decides she&#8217;s interested. Neither of which is especially likely.</p>
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		<title>By: technogeekagain</title>
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		<dc:creator>technogeekagain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> One of the things that surgeons often don&#039;t explain well enough to patients is that anaesthesia blocks _pain_ nerves. You will often, as noted, still feel pressure/tugging, and you have to consciously remind yourself to note that, while odd, it really doesn&#039;t hurt.  (I haven&#039;t gone thru this procedure, but with several teeth pulled and implants to replace them I&#039;ve had my share of &quot;interesting, I can feel the bone breaking free&quot;.) And, yes, when it&#039;s something that doesn&#039;t map to established body image it&#039;s likely to be odd.

Which is one reasons some folks prefer general anaesthesia despite it having much greater risks than local -- if they&#039;re out, they don&#039;t have to think about what&#039;s going on. Definitely not a recommended solution, but it is an option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> One of the things that surgeons often don&#8217;t explain well enough to patients is that anaesthesia blocks _pain_ nerves. You will often, as noted, still feel pressure/tugging, and you have to consciously remind yourself to note that, while odd, it really doesn&#8217;t hurt.  (I haven&#8217;t gone thru this procedure, but with several teeth pulled and implants to replace them I&#8217;ve had my share of &#8220;interesting, I can feel the bone breaking free&#8221;.) And, yes, when it&#8217;s something that doesn&#8217;t map to established body image it&#8217;s likely to be odd.</p>
<p>Which is one reasons some folks prefer general anaesthesia despite it having much greater risks than local &#8212; if they&#8217;re out, they don&#8217;t have to think about what&#8217;s going on. Definitely not a recommended solution, but it is an option.</p>
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		<title>By: TRH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1350864</link>
		<dc:creator>TRH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how many otherwise intelligent people view human fertility as some kind of disease that needs to be treated or a cancer that needs to be removed.  

A little (free!) observation of the woman&#039;s fertility markers, and a little self-control for 2-3 days a month, is all you need.  

Sterilization is like getting your esophagus removed to avoid weight gain.  Yeah, it works, but holy mackerel, there are better options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how many otherwise intelligent people view human fertility as some kind of disease that needs to be treated or a cancer that needs to be removed.  </p>
<p>A little (free!) observation of the woman&#8217;s fertility markers, and a little self-control for 2-3 days a month, is all you need.  </p>
<p>Sterilization is like getting your esophagus removed to avoid weight gain.  Yeah, it works, but holy mackerel, there are better options.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveJ</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1350840</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine was the same - a non-event.  I had a little pain that evening, but a bag of frozen peas and a couple of shots of Jim Beam took care of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine was the same &#8211; a non-event.  I had a little pain that evening, but a bag of frozen peas and a couple of shots of Jim Beam took care of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Merrybad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1350831</link>
		<dc:creator>Merrybad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now you&#039;re talking about being responsible. If you&#039;re delaying based on insurance, do more research. Get on with it! It&#039;s a lot less expensive and less risky than a pregnancy (or another related medical procedure you don&#039;t want). And the strain on your relationship any failure of birth control would entail. And, even if you later break up, your guy will be not having babies he doesn&#039;t want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now you&#8217;re talking about being responsible. If you&#8217;re delaying based on insurance, do more research. Get on with it! It&#8217;s a lot less expensive and less risky than a pregnancy (or another related medical procedure you don&#8217;t want). And the strain on your relationship any failure of birth control would entail. And, even if you later break up, your guy will be not having babies he doesn&#8217;t want.</p>
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		<title>By: joe k.</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe k.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sex without worry about pregnancy is quite awesome. A week of discomfort was totally worth it!</description>
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		<title>By: LinkMan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1350771</link>
		<dc:creator>LinkMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, that&#039;s a real doctor!  http://www.urologyteam.com/?q=dr-richard-chopp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, that&#8217;s a real doctor!  <a href="http://www.urologyteam.com/?q=dr-richard-chopp" rel="nofollow">http://www.urologyteam.com/?q=dr-richard-chopp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Soto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Soto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a doctor, but if I was I don&#039;t think I&#039;d be able to handle that procedure, either. I&#039;d feel too much like I was disrupting nature, fouling up a perfectly good set of organs, or participating in some dark, post-modern eugenics meant to incapacitate middle-aged men.

So maybe it&#039;s a good thing I didn&#039;t choose med school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a doctor, but if I was I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d be able to handle that procedure, either. I&#8217;d feel too much like I was disrupting nature, fouling up a perfectly good set of organs, or participating in some dark, post-modern eugenics meant to incapacitate middle-aged men.</p>
<p>So maybe it&#8217;s a good thing I didn&#8217;t choose med school.</p>
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		<title>By: gloriana232</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1350756</link>
		<dc:creator>gloriana232</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One anecdote doesn&#039;t speak for all. I think the point is that many women make assumptions about male sexuality that are not true for all, or many -- similar to how men might make assumptions about women. It&#039;s a fair point to bring up. 

Talking to my boyfriend made me understand that nope, morning wood isn&#039;t always sexual, and nope, sometimes I can&#039;t rely on pure nudity and do have to make a sincere effort to arouse him (how horrid!). 

Is it taboo somehow to say that women might not know everything about male physiology and sexuality now, or that some women make presumptions? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One anecdote doesn&#8217;t speak for all. I think the point is that many women make assumptions about male sexuality that are not true for all, or many &#8212; similar to how men might make assumptions about women. It&#8217;s a fair point to bring up. </p>
<p>Talking to my boyfriend made me understand that nope, morning wood isn&#8217;t always sexual, and nope, sometimes I can&#8217;t rely on pure nudity and do have to make a sincere effort to arouse him (how horrid!). </p>
<p>Is it taboo somehow to say that women might not know everything about male physiology and sexuality now, or that some women make presumptions? </p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1350749</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only there was some sort of compromise on this issue.  Huh, oh well.</description>
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		<title>By: twency</title>
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		<dc:creator>twency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is there&#039;s no push to force religious employers to pay for insurance plans which pay for vasectomies, in violation of the dictates of those religions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is there&#8217;s no push to force religious employers to pay for insurance plans which pay for vasectomies, in violation of the dictates of those religions.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention...
My mum tells me that older country folk (in rural Australia) refer to a vasectomy as &quot;getting your teeth pulled&quot;. Makes me laugh every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention&#8230;<br />
My mum tells me that older country folk (in rural Australia) refer to a vasectomy as &#8220;getting your teeth pulled&#8221;. Makes me laugh every time.</p>
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		<title>By: dalgoda7</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/02/20/the-big-v.html#comment-1350640</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Nah, he was pretty laid back about it.   We talked briefly about my reasons.  He seemed OK with that, and said that &quot;If you were 23, I&#039;d say come back in a few years.  If you were 40, we&#039;d go in the back and take care of this right now.  But for you,  I&#039;m going to ask you to make an appointment for a month from now just to make sure.&quot;   Seemed perfectly reasonable.

Most people who know me well weren&#039;t terribly surprised or bothered, and people who didn&#039;t know me well were the ones who would have reactions.  Since I didn&#039;t know them well, I didn&#039;t really care.

When I told the folks, my mom said something like &quot;did you at least SAVE SOME?&quot; while my dad just chuckled.  Neither were too surprised, nor do they ever bring it up.  

The wife&#039;s was childfree long before we met, so neither of us has really ever been &quot;baby bingoed&quot; by the people we know - we&#039;ve been pretty lucky with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Nah, he was pretty laid back about it.   We talked briefly about my reasons.  He seemed OK with that, and said that &#8220;If you were 23, I&#8217;d say come back in a few years.  If you were 40, we&#8217;d go in the back and take care of this right now.  But for you,  I&#8217;m going to ask you to make an appointment for a month from now just to make sure.&#8221;   Seemed perfectly reasonable.</p>
<p>Most people who know me well weren&#8217;t terribly surprised or bothered, and people who didn&#8217;t know me well were the ones who would have reactions.  Since I didn&#8217;t know them well, I didn&#8217;t really care.</p>
<p>When I told the folks, my mom said something like &#8220;did you at least SAVE SOME?&#8221; while my dad just chuckled.  Neither were too surprised, nor do they ever bring it up.  </p>
<p>The wife&#8217;s was childfree long before we met, so neither of us has really ever been &#8220;baby bingoed&#8221; by the people we know &#8211; we&#8217;ve been pretty lucky with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My vasectomy from over a decade ago went off with no problems, very mild pain at the time, soon ended. Having had two kids and one miscarriage, my wife and I mutually agreed that it was the best decision.  However, within a year of the operation, my wife decided that my usefulness to her was at an end, and she asked for a separation and then a divorce.  While I can&#039;t say that the vasectomy was the only issue, I really think that it contributed.  A few years later she remarried and had another baby, after which husband #2 also had a vasectomy.  I guess his operation had a few more complications, and his recovery took longer, though i don&#039;t know the details.  Anyway, from what i hear their marriage is on the rocks now, and it&#039;s only a matter of time before they split.   I know this isn&#039;t a typical story by any means, but before going through with it, you might want to gently examine your spouse&#039;s opinions on fertility and manhood.  Will she really look at you the same way when you  can no longer contribute to the survival of her genes?  (And I know, I&#039;m still contributing to raising our existing kids, but apparently it&#039;s not quite the same thing.) Sorry if I sound bitter, since i quite like my life now, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My vasectomy from over a decade ago went off with no problems, very mild pain at the time, soon ended. Having had two kids and one miscarriage, my wife and I mutually agreed that it was the best decision.  However, within a year of the operation, my wife decided that my usefulness to her was at an end, and she asked for a separation and then a divorce.  While I can&#8217;t say that the vasectomy was the only issue, I really think that it contributed.  A few years later she remarried and had another baby, after which husband #2 also had a vasectomy.  I guess his operation had a few more complications, and his recovery took longer, though i don&#8217;t know the details.  Anyway, from what i hear their marriage is on the rocks now, and it&#8217;s only a matter of time before they split.   I know this isn&#8217;t a typical story by any means, but before going through with it, you might want to gently examine your spouse&#8217;s opinions on fertility and manhood.  Will she really look at you the same way when you  can no longer contribute to the survival of her genes?  (And I know, I&#8217;m still contributing to raising our existing kids, but apparently it&#8217;s not quite the same thing.) Sorry if I sound bitter, since i quite like my life now, really.</p>
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