Comments on: Occupy London says St Paul's Cathedral colluded with eviction effort http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: th4 http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1356698 th4 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1356698  Exactly right about the financial sector, which increasingly exists in virtual spaces and anonymous offices off the Long Island Turnpike. But I'm not so sanguine about the Occupy movement, which seems all too wedded to the same old tactics and amorphously resentful of any and all authority figures. Worse, its stalwarts are strategically conservative, unwilling to develop a real change agenda for fear of losing their magic pixie dust of activist street cred.  Exactly right about the financial sector, which increasingly exists in virtual spaces and anonymous offices off the Long Island Turnpike. But I’m not so sanguine about the Occupy movement, which seems all too wedded to the same old tactics and amorphously resentful of any and all authority figures. Worse, its stalwarts are strategically conservative, unwilling to develop a real change agenda for fear of losing their magic pixie dust of activist street cred.

]]> By: hostile_17 http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1356638 hostile_17 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1356638 So because they did something at night... they are like the Stasi and Soviets? Oi. I think because one of their tents were damaged, the police are now like they're taking people to gas chambers. The inhumanity. So because they did something at night… they are like the Stasi and Soviets?

Oi.

I think because one of their tents were damaged, the police are now like they’re taking people to gas chambers. The inhumanity.

]]> By: Brad Bell http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1356270 Brad Bell Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1356270 The politics of space is very peculiar. The stock exchange seems to get it's power by not really existing in space, ie. if you go to see it, you'll be disappointed. It doesn't have the permanence of a church facade or granite pillars like a bank, suggesting stability or the ability to withstand an attack. It seems to be abstract, like a network, like it were an underground bunker. And Occupy, evicted all over the U.S. at least, which seemed to get all it's power from it's occupation of space, turns out not really to need it. It simply changes tactics.  The politics of space is very peculiar. The stock exchange seems to get it’s power by not really existing in space, ie. if you go to see it, you’ll be disappointed. It doesn’t have the permanence of a church facade or granite pillars like a bank, suggesting stability or the ability to withstand an attack. It seems to be abstract, like a network, like it were an underground bunker. And Occupy, evicted all over the U.S. at least, which seemed to get all it’s power from it’s occupation of space, turns out not really to need it. It simply changes tactics. 

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1356130 Antinous / Moderator Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1356130 <blockquote>The difference between this and the Stasi is this happened after several months of legal wrangling in the high court, in the middle of the day.</blockquote>Not entirely sure if that's better or worse.

The difference between this and the Stasi is this happened after several months of legal wrangling in the high court, in the middle of the day.

Not entirely sure if that’s better or worse.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1356075 Antinous / Moderator Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1356075 They betrayed the principles of their own faith. They betrayed the principles of their own faith.

]]> By: Cee Valentine http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1356022 Cee Valentine Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1356022 Occupy London! http://vimeo.com/35803378  Occupy London!
http://vimeo.com/35803378 

]]> By: PJDK http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355912 PJDK Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355912 When were you taught that was the sort of thing only the Stasi did?  This is the sort of thing that everyone has done in the middle of the night, because as others have mentioned it is the easiest time to do it. The difference between this and the Stasi is this happened after several months of legal wrangling in the high court, in the middle of the day. When were you taught that was the sort of thing only the Stasi did?  This is the sort of thing that everyone has done in the middle of the night, because as others have mentioned it is the easiest time to do it.

The difference between this and the Stasi is this happened after several months of legal wrangling in the high court, in the middle of the day.

]]> By: James http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355817 James Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355817 If, like me, you replace the words police and protestors with Stasi and dissidents in your second paragraph, you get rewarded with a darkly humerous lol. Though I do agree that just because police actions take place in the wee, small hours it doesn't mean that they're up to no good or inherently sinister. It's just unfortunate that it's an action that has an unpalletable historical echo and that it lends itself to a very easy argument against it. If, like me, you replace the words police and protestors with Stasi and dissidents in your second paragraph, you get rewarded with a darkly humerous lol.

Though I do agree that just because police actions take place in the wee, small hours it doesn’t mean that they’re up to no good or inherently sinister. It’s just unfortunate that it’s an action that has an unpalletable historical echo and that it lends itself to a very easy argument against it.

]]> By: Eccentric Genius http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355812 Eccentric Genius Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355812  So what you're saying is that the ulterior motive was avoiding media and other protestors. Except that it wasn't. Dude... a career in politics awaits you.  So what you’re saying is that the ulterior motive was avoiding media and other protestors. Except that it wasn’t.

Dude… a career in politics awaits you.

]]> By: James http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355804 James Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355804  The same Greeks whose country went tits up not long after hosting an Olympics? Give us time :p  The same Greeks whose country went tits up not long after hosting an Olympics? Give us time :p

]]> By: bcsizemo http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355793 bcsizemo Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355793  I think there is some difference between these police actions and what the Soviets and others have done. Look at it from the work involved by the police.  At night there are low number of bystanders, low amount of traffic, and in general the rest of the city is fairly calm.  With outside forces minimized they can focus their attention on the "protesters" and not be distracted by dealing with media, traffic, other residents, or other outside protestors (that may or may not turn violent).  It's like going to the grocery store at 2 in the morning.  There isn't anyone out, the line is short, parking is easy, and in general it is a less stress inducing situation.  Not that I'm directly comparing this to shopping, or condoning the removal of the occupy movement.  Just pointing out that because it's under the cover of darkness does not automatically mean there are ulterior motives.  I think there is some difference between these police actions and what the Soviets and others have done.

Look at it from the work involved by the police.  At night there are low number of bystanders, low amount of traffic, and in general the rest of the city is fairly calm.  With outside forces minimized they can focus their attention on the “protesters” and not be distracted by dealing with media, traffic, other residents, or other outside protestors (that may or may not turn violent). 

It’s like going to the grocery store at 2 in the morning.  There isn’t anyone out, the line is short, parking is easy, and in general it is a less stress inducing situation.  Not that I’m directly comparing this to shopping, or condoning the removal of the occupy movement.  Just pointing out that because it’s under the cover of darkness does not automatically mean there are ulterior motives.

]]> By: Dave Lloyd http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355788 Dave Lloyd Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:26:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355788 What is it about the Police these days that they seem compelled to do these actions in the small hours when there's no-one around. That used to be a thing we were taught only the Stasi and Soviets did. Their behaviour can't stand the light of day it seems. @th4:disqus  St Paul's is not just any old church. It is THE church of the rich and powerful. It is far more a masonic temple than a christian church. And yes, with the Olympics coming, NOTHING must be allowed to marr the tourist occasion.. What is it about the Police these days that they seem compelled to do these actions in the small hours when there’s no-one around. That used to be a thing we were taught only the Stasi and Soviets did. Their behaviour can’t stand the light of day it seems.

@th4:disqus  St Paul’s is not just any old church. It is THE church of the rich and powerful. It is far more a masonic temple than a christian church.

And yes, with the Olympics coming, NOTHING must be allowed to marr the tourist occasion..

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355785 Wreckrob8 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355785 It is the relationship between taxation and financial systems and their location within physical jurisdictions which is the problem. You have to go for both at least. It is the relationship between taxation and financial systems and their location within physical jurisdictions which is the problem. You have to go for both at least.

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355783 Wreckrob8 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:12:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355783 The Olympics and the Jubilee all in one year, I bet you can't wait. But it could be worse, at least we're not like those Greeks, are we? The Olympics and the Jubilee all in one year, I bet you can’t wait. But it could be worse, at least we’re not like those Greeks, are we?

]]> By: th4 http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355781 th4 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:11:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355781 Just more evidence that the Occupy movement in its current incarnation is dead. When you're squabbling with church canons, cops and politicians, you're not driving the message about the 1%'s deathgrip on our economic resources. It's time to give up occupying physical space and launch a campaign to  occupy the taxation and financial regulation systems.  Just more evidence that the Occupy movement in its current incarnation is dead. When you’re squabbling with church canons, cops and politicians, you’re not driving the message about the 1%’s deathgrip on our economic resources. It’s time to give up occupying physical space and launch a campaign to  occupy the taxation and financial regulation systems. 

]]> By: Nathan Hornby http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355776 Nathan Hornby Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355776 This is England we're talking about; every single decision made by every authority is based around tourism. Whether or not there's any net profit involved is irelivant, because, TOURISM! This is England we’re talking about; every single decision made by every authority is based around tourism.

Whether or not there’s any net profit involved is irelivant, because, TOURISM!

]]> By: Nathan Hornby http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355774 Nathan Hornby Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355774 Anyone who knows their history knows that the clergy are very much sided with the aristocracy and the government. They care as much about the people as they do about their followers; i.e. unless they're putting money in their coffers they can all go to hell (literally). Anyone who knows their history knows that the clergy are very much sided with the aristocracy and the government.

They care as much about the people as they do about their followers; i.e. unless they’re putting money in their coffers they can all go to hell (literally).

]]> By: Noctilucent Studios http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355773 Noctilucent Studios Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355773  phoomp, that sort of comment places you on the losing side of History. Join us.  phoomp, that sort of comment places you on the losing side of History. Join us.

]]> By: phoomp http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355769 phoomp Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355769 Did they have an agreement with the Cathedral to occupy it's property? Did they have an agreement with the Cathedral to occupy it’s property?

]]> By: Noctilucent Studios http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355759 Noctilucent Studios Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355759 We will be back. We will be back.

]]> By: James http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355758 James Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355758 If true, it's hardly surprising. After all, you've got to get those awful people away from the Cathedral so they can get back to the important business of charging £14.50 a pop for a visit. I mean, the Olympics are coming and you can't have potential punters being put off by some vagabonds trying to make a point. Imagine the lost revenue. Not that anything of the sort would have been considered, of course. I'm sure that's just me being cynical and everything's completely above board and impartial. If true, it’s hardly surprising. After all, you’ve got to get those awful people away from the Cathedral so they can get back to the important business of charging £14.50 a pop for a visit. I mean, the Olympics are coming and you can’t have potential punters being put off by some vagabonds trying to make a point. Imagine the lost revenue.

Not that anything of the sort would have been considered, of course. I’m sure that’s just me being cynical and everything’s completely above board and impartial.

]]> By: Ministry http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355754 Ministry Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355754 <em>'Betrayal'</em> would be if the Cathedral had been actively supportive of the protesters, then changed sides. Is that the case? ‘Betrayal’ would be if the Cathedral had been actively supportive of the protesters, then changed sides.

Is that the case?

]]> By: hakuin http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355753 hakuin Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355753 nonsense,  churches cannot betray. nonsense,  churches cannot betray.

]]> By: exile http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355752 exile Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355752 It's what the C of E wanted. They help defend Mammon from the meek, who as we know, "shall inherit nothing" - Zappa. It’s what the C of E wanted. They help defend Mammon from the meek, who as we know, “shall inherit nothing” – Zappa.

]]> By: Sam http://boingboing.net/2012/02/28/occupy-london-says-st-pauls.html#comment-1355751 Sam Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=146129#comment-1355751 Am sure it is what Jesus would have wanted. Am sure it is what Jesus would have wanted.

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