Maher Arar on Canada's pro-torture policy

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18 Responses to “Maher Arar on Canada's pro-torture policy”

  1. Hakuin says:

    if someone can impregnate their barely legal babysitter, why is it surprising they enjoy torture too?

  2. oldtaku says:

    Canada needs to get over going along with whatever stupid evil bull#$ the US says, from torture to spying to IP abuse – and then doing it even worse than the US government thought they could get away with.

    There seems to be some assumption that if the government does it it must be okay, because if it wasn’t okay the government wouldn’t be doing it. QED.

    Maybe Harper can help them get over this? I hope so. (Edit based on Hakuin’s comment: <- as a bad example!).

    • Hakuin says:

       you’re kidding, right?  Harper was Dumbya’s bum-boy for two whole terms, you don’t get any more pr0-torture than Harper.

      • oldtaku says:

        What I was trying to say was that maybe after watching Harper Canadian citizens would stop thinking of the government as defacto benevolent and stop letting them do whatever the hell they want (as paid for by US lobbyists).

    • Hakuin says:

       here’s a question: if Harper’s marriage is really on the rocks, do you think that would affect  his judgement and ability to make good decisions as prime minister of Canada?

      • suburbanhick says:

        “do you think that would affect  his judgement and ability to make good decisions as prime minister of Canada?”

        I think he’d need to have those characteristics in the first place for them to be affected!

        • Hakuin says:

           “do you think that would make  his judgement and ability to make good decisions as prime minister of Canada even more conspicuously absent than they already are?”

          thx

  3. headcode says:

    Among other things, I don’t think people who torture realize how weak it makes them look.  Torturers are pathetic.

  4. erayaj says:

    nice chair :)

  5. 50thomas says:

    We can all read BB but you could also DO something if you find torture wrong.
    Support a human rights group. Do it now.

  6. Ryan Lenethen says:

    Well considering that really there are only three reasons not to torture.
    1) Its not humane.
    2) If I torture you, you will torture me.
    3) I might be wrong and I can’t untorture you

    So not even going into if it is an effective tactic, which most evidence tends to agree that it is not (Tell me your are a Heretic! OK, I’m a Heretic.), you can evaluate why Harper and the Conservative ideology might think it is acceptable.

    1) Is really the only argument that they would agree with. They are likely to start talking about the greater good at that point. Save 10,000 for punching a baby etc…
    2) That is where agreements like Geneva come in to prohibit torture, usually in the auspices of “rules of war”. Basically no hitting in the face. The failed argument here from the Bush and Harper camps, is that terrorists never signed those treaties, nor are part of any state that could/would. So such niceties do not apply. It gives us no protection for our troops should we even comply, so the gloves are off so to speak.
    3) For ideology that agrees with capitol punishment, this is a minor inconvenience. If you are willing to kill someone who might have done something wrong, what is torture. Again the greater good, etc… (of course at least capitol punishment comes with judicial oversight)

    Which is something that I always sort of bugs me. All of these people/groups seem to think that they are these Anne Rynd caricatures, that believe in the free market, the individual, democracy, and capitalism, plucky young intrepid industrialists striving to succeed, etc… Yet they always seem to be anti-individual rights, more powers for the state, more greater good trumping the unfortunate son, which would to my mind be more communist or at least socialist, etc… Oh the buckets people seem to delude themselves into thinking they belong and convincing everyone else around them the same…

    I think one might argue that some of the best torturers or most feared were those that belonged to the police states perpetuated by both the KGB and the Stazi, both part of communist regimes.

  7. MrWednesday7 says:

    I think one might argue that some of the best torturers or most feared were those that belonged to the police states perpetuated by both the KGB and the Stazi, both part of communist regimes.

    Stalinist single state “communist ” regimes. Not socialism as we socialists see it.

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