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	<title>Comments on: 14-y-o Florida girl buys foreclosed house with money from Craigslist furniture-selling&#160;hobby</title>
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		<title>By: DreamboatSkanky</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/14-y-o-florida-girl-buys-forec.html#comment-1368563</link>
		<dc:creator>DreamboatSkanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh?  What did the moderator say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh?  What did the moderator say?</p>
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		<title>By: spydrmannyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>spydrmannyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one correction to your otherwise excellent comment. Investors can&#039;t get a commercial loan on a single family rental property. Commercial loans start at five units and banks typically want more units than that against the loan. An investor can however bundle ten single family rentals together and get a commercial loan against all ten. A single rental unit is not even close to being considered a  business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one correction to your otherwise excellent comment. Investors can&#8217;t get a commercial loan on a single family rental property. Commercial loans start at five units and banks typically want more units than that against the loan. An investor can however bundle ten single family rentals together and get a commercial loan against all ten. A single rental unit is not even close to being considered a  business.</p>
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		<title>By: EnglebertFlaptyback</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/14-y-o-florida-girl-buys-forec.html#comment-1368230</link>
		<dc:creator>EnglebertFlaptyback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is bullshit.  Anyone can buy these houses.  Ever hear of &quot;HUD houses?&quot;  Here are a couple websites for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.homepath.com (Fannie Mae)
http://www.hudhomestore.com (HUD)

Just to name a couple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is bullshit.  Anyone can buy these houses.  Ever hear of &#8220;HUD houses?&#8221;  Here are a couple websites for your viewing pleasure:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.homepath.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.homepath.com</a> (Fannie Mae)<br />
<a href="http://www.hudhomestore.com (HUD)" rel="nofollow">http://www.hudhomestore.com (HUD)</a></p>
<p>Just to name a couple.</p>
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		<title>By: EnglebertFlaptyback</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/14-y-o-florida-girl-buys-forec.html#comment-1368225</link>
		<dc:creator>EnglebertFlaptyback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You typically can&#039;t get a mortgage on a $12,000 house.    You either pay cash or get a private loan.

Incidentally, a perusal of the Fannie Mae website (http://www.homepath.com) shows LOTS of houses &lt;$25K available in Florida.  Some of them even look decent, amazingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You typically can&#8217;t get a mortgage on a $12,000 house.    You either pay cash or get a private loan.</p>
<p>Incidentally, a perusal of the Fannie Mae website (<a href="http://www.homepath.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.homepath.com</a>) shows LOTS of houses &lt;$25K available in Florida.  Some of them even look decent, amazingly.</p>
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		<title>By: EnglebertFlaptyback</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/14-y-o-florida-girl-buys-forec.html#comment-1368201</link>
		<dc:creator>EnglebertFlaptyback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The predatory behavior, if any existed, is on the part of the banks and mortgage brokers who largely created this crisis, not this kid.  I promise you, the people who buy these houses have zero role in how they made it on the market in the first place.

At *least* the houses aren&#039;t sitting empty, slowly decaying and creating an eyesore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The predatory behavior, if any existed, is on the part of the banks and mortgage brokers who largely created this crisis, not this kid.  I promise you, the people who buy these houses have zero role in how they made it on the market in the first place.</p>
<p>At *least* the houses aren&#8217;t sitting empty, slowly decaying and creating an eyesore.</p>
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		<title>By: EnglebertFlaptyback</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/14-y-o-florida-girl-buys-forec.html#comment-1368198</link>
		<dc:creator>EnglebertFlaptyback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor correction...the average Realtor sells about 8 houses a year (though there are certainly many that DO sell just one or two houses a year).  

I don&#039;t understand the latter group&#039;s motivation for staying in business; unless those one or two houses are some high-dollar properties they&#039;re barely earning enough to pay fees, membership dues, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor correction&#8230;the average Realtor sells about 8 houses a year (though there are certainly many that DO sell just one or two houses a year).  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand the latter group&#8217;s motivation for staying in business; unless those one or two houses are some high-dollar properties they&#8217;re barely earning enough to pay fees, membership dues, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: EnglebertFlaptyback</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/14-y-o-florida-girl-buys-forec.html#comment-1368199</link>
		<dc:creator>EnglebertFlaptyback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And even more to the point - you generally can&#039;t get a mortgage for $12,000 in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And even more to the point &#8211; you generally can&#8217;t get a mortgage for $12,000 in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: EnglebertFlaptyback</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/14-y-o-florida-girl-buys-forec.html#comment-1368192</link>
		<dc:creator>EnglebertFlaptyback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in fact complete crap.  I am a realtor in a mid-sized Midwestern city.  I am currently working on a deal for a house that is $12,000.  There are quite a few like it in my city.  

That $12,000 house, however, is in need of about 20-30K in repairs to make it habitable.

In a real estate market like Florida&#039;s, which crashed MUCH harder than mine, I could see how one might be able to encounter a house requiring far less repair for $12K.

The problem that self-employed people have in obtaining credit is a perennial one.   The first step is to go to a LOCAL bank.  The second is to obtain a manually-underwritten loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in fact complete crap.  I am a realtor in a mid-sized Midwestern city.  I am currently working on a deal for a house that is $12,000.  There are quite a few like it in my city.  </p>
<p>That $12,000 house, however, is in need of about 20-30K in repairs to make it habitable.</p>
<p>In a real estate market like Florida&#8217;s, which crashed MUCH harder than mine, I could see how one might be able to encounter a house requiring far less repair for $12K.</p>
<p>The problem that self-employed people have in obtaining credit is a perennial one.   The first step is to go to a LOCAL bank.  The second is to obtain a manually-underwritten loan.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, how dare she succeed when it makes other people uncomfortable! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, how dare she succeed when it makes other people uncomfortable! </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Arthurs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Arthurs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever I shop at &quot;Going Out Of Business&quot; sales, I feel like a ghoul.

A happy, smiling ghoul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I shop at &#8220;Going Out Of Business&#8221; sales, I feel like a ghoul.</p>
<p>A happy, smiling ghoul.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Sherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone else reposted a comment from NPR which highlighted &lt;strike&gt;the fact&lt;/strike&gt; their opinion that foreclosed houses selling for $12k are pretty much only available to those with the right connections. The 14 year old girl&#039;s mother is a real estate agent. People with perfectly good credit and a down payment are being turned away. This is not a picture of success but of what&#039;s wrong.

EDIT: I don&#039;t have personal experience with buying foreclosures, so I edited my comment to reflect that the person I was quoting was expressing an opinion and not a fact. I have no idea how difficult or simple the process of buying a foreclosure is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone else reposted a comment from NPR which highlighted <strike>the fact</strike> their opinion that foreclosed houses selling for $12k are pretty much only available to those with the right connections. The 14 year old girl&#8217;s mother is a real estate agent. People with perfectly good credit and a down payment are being turned away. This is not a picture of success but of what&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>EDIT: I don&#8217;t have personal experience with buying foreclosures, so I edited my comment to reflect that the person I was quoting was expressing an opinion and not a fact. I have no idea how difficult or simple the process of buying a foreclosure is.</p>
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		<title>By: salparadise23</title>
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		<dc:creator>salparadise23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really sure why so many of you have  have your panties in a bunch over a 14 year girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really sure why so many of you have  have your panties in a bunch over a 14 year girl.</p>
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		<title>By: technogeekagain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/14-y-o-florida-girl-buys-forec.html#comment-1367519</link>
		<dc:creator>technogeekagain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right place, right time, some initiative, willing to buy a place that needs work... and I bet she hasn&#039;t thought about upkeep costs, which is part of how we got into this mess.

Still, more power to her. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right place, right time, some initiative, willing to buy a place that needs work&#8230; and I bet she hasn&#8217;t thought about upkeep costs, which is part of how we got into this mess.</p>
<p>Still, more power to her. </p>
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		<title>By: AZMarkS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZMarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> If it went for $100K at the peak of the bubble, it&#039;s probably down 30-40% now. So, you have a 60-70K house that is trashed and in foreclosure. I could see that being available for $12K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> If it went for $100K at the peak of the bubble, it&#8217;s probably down 30-40% now. So, you have a 60-70K house that is trashed and in foreclosure. I could see that being available for $12K.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleknevicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleknevicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 01:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that the house was trashed and required extensive cleaning. What I don&#039;t understand is whether or not such houses in that area are commonly available for $12K.

If they are, why would anyone rent a home for $700/month when they can buy one for ~$100/month? ($12K, $0 down, 15-year term, 5% mortgage.) Surely the expense/hassle of cleaning a house would be worth the vast savings?

Given this, I suspect that the $12K purchase price is an extraordinary deal and not commonly available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that the house was trashed and required extensive cleaning. What I don&#8217;t understand is whether or not such houses in that area are commonly available for $12K.</p>
<p>If they are, why would anyone rent a home for $700/month when they can buy one for ~$100/month? ($12K, $0 down, 15-year term, 5% mortgage.) Surely the expense/hassle of cleaning a house would be worth the vast savings?</p>
<p>Given this, I suspect that the $12K purchase price is an extraordinary deal and not commonly available.</p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish i could buy a house for 12k!</description>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was 14, I had $500 saved from my allowance and Christmas gifts.  She has $6,000 from working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was 14, I had $500 saved from my allowance and Christmas gifts.  She has $6,000 from working.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/03/09/14-y-o-florida-girl-buys-forec.html#comment-1367284</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on this girl, but this story is more depressing than uplifting.  It will also be used by many to gloss over the rotten aspects of U.S. style capitalism (speculation, predatory lending, fraud,ugly rentier capitalism), and serve as a nice happy ending if you will.  &quot;See!  The system works!  If only you all weren&#039;t as lazy as the 14 year old white girl!&quot;

I felt a definite unease while hearing it on the radio yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on this girl, but this story is more depressing than uplifting.  It will also be used by many to gloss over the rotten aspects of U.S. style capitalism (speculation, predatory lending, fraud,ugly rentier capitalism), and serve as a nice happy ending if you will.  &#8220;See!  The system works!  If only you all weren&#8217;t as lazy as the 14 year old white girl!&#8221;</p>
<p>I felt a definite unease while hearing it on the radio yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: PNWchemist</title>
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		<dc:creator>PNWchemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wages fall in tandem with market prices. says my macro econ 202 prof</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wages fall in tandem with market prices. says my macro econ 202 prof</p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
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		<dc:creator>foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vultures is probably the better word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vultures is probably the better word.</p>
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		<title>By: gwailo_joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwailo_joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Give it a bit of time, your real estate market will come crashing down to earth.&quot;

I like that.  For myself, I rent in San Francisco, and the housing market here is resilient and frankly, for me, unaffordable.

But the next Big quake?  Maybe it will all come crashing down.  Literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Give it a bit of time, your real estate market will come crashing down to earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like that.  For myself, I rent in San Francisco, and the housing market here is resilient and frankly, for me, unaffordable.</p>
<p>But the next Big quake?  Maybe it will all come crashing down.  Literally.</p>
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		<title>By: semiotix</title>
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		<dc:creator>semiotix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that she bought this with her mother (as in, Mom fronted some significant fraction of the cash), and that her mother is a real estate agent, sort of wipes away all the human interest here. Not to take anything away from this young woman--she&#039;s got some pretty cool part-time jobs, for a 14-year-old--but what this boils down to is a parent investing some money on behalf of a minor child. Sure, it&#039;s nice that Ms. Tufano is putting in some sweat equity here, but this kind of feels like a non-story in search of an angle. 

Also, the reason she&#039;s sort of &quot;meh&quot; about all the Very Big Significance Of The Housing Crisis is not because she&#039;s some sort of shell-shocked child of war and &quot;this is all she&#039;s ever known,&quot; etc. She&#039;s &quot;meh&quot; about the intricacies of the housing market because she&#039;s &lt;i&gt;fourteen years old&lt;/i&gt; and even truly extraordinary tweens cannot be bothered to care about that sort of thing for more than five minutes at a time. Nor should they.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that she bought this with her mother (as in, Mom fronted some significant fraction of the cash), and that her mother is a real estate agent, sort of wipes away all the human interest here. Not to take anything away from this young woman&#8211;she&#8217;s got some pretty cool part-time jobs, for a 14-year-old&#8211;but what this boils down to is a parent investing some money on behalf of a minor child. Sure, it&#8217;s nice that Ms. Tufano is putting in some sweat equity here, but this kind of feels like a non-story in search of an angle. </p>
<p>Also, the reason she&#8217;s sort of &#8220;meh&#8221; about all the Very Big Significance Of The Housing Crisis is not because she&#8217;s some sort of shell-shocked child of war and &#8220;this is all she&#8217;s ever known,&#8221; etc. She&#8217;s &#8220;meh&#8221; about the intricacies of the housing market because she&#8217;s <i>fourteen years old</i> and even truly extraordinary tweens cannot be bothered to care about that sort of thing for more than five minutes at a time. Nor should they.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We rented an apartment once.  When we took possession, the prior renters had taken the toilet seat but left a Danish modern couch, a cocktail table, and a magazine rack.  Were we thieves? Don&#039;t think so. Were they thieves? Nah. We bought a new toilet seat. 

Anyone who claims reselling items left behind in a house that has changed ownership is thievery does not understand that these possessions legally and morally have been abandoned. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We rented an apartment once.  When we took possession, the prior renters had taken the toilet seat but left a Danish modern couch, a cocktail table, and a magazine rack.  Were we thieves? Don&#8217;t think so. Were they thieves? Nah. We bought a new toilet seat. </p>
<p>Anyone who claims reselling items left behind in a house that has changed ownership is thievery does not understand that these possessions legally and morally have been abandoned. </p>
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		<title>By: Walter Dexter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me tell you about my experience with the current mortgage situation.

My wife and I bought a condo about 18 months ago for my mother-in-law to live in. We paid &quot;cash&quot;  (pulled from existing lines of credit) of $73,000. It just appraised at $62,000.

We now want to pull some money out to pay down those other lines. Maybe $30,000.

Like many condo complexes, a good percentage of people aren&#039;t paying their HOA fees (roughly 30%). The complex is also next to an interstate highway.

So Fannie, Freddie and FHA won&#039;t touch it.

That is equivalent to saying &quot;you can&#039;t get a loan&quot; because they make up the entire mortgage market.

This makes sense from a banker&#039;s, &quot;making loans on safe property&quot; standpoint, but not from a public policy standpoint of facilitating the sale of properties to people who actually want to live in them.

Investors, of course, can get business loans to buy them then rent them out.

So why do pseudo-public corporations, nominally in the &quot;public interest&quot;, acting in the best interest of the bankers instead of the country? Oh, never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me tell you about my experience with the current mortgage situation.</p>
<p>My wife and I bought a condo about 18 months ago for my mother-in-law to live in. We paid &#8220;cash&#8221;  (pulled from existing lines of credit) of $73,000. It just appraised at $62,000.</p>
<p>We now want to pull some money out to pay down those other lines. Maybe $30,000.</p>
<p>Like many condo complexes, a good percentage of people aren&#8217;t paying their HOA fees (roughly 30%). The complex is also next to an interstate highway.</p>
<p>So Fannie, Freddie and FHA won&#8217;t touch it.</p>
<p>That is equivalent to saying &#8220;you can&#8217;t get a loan&#8221; because they make up the entire mortgage market.</p>
<p>This makes sense from a banker&#8217;s, &#8220;making loans on safe property&#8221; standpoint, but not from a public policy standpoint of facilitating the sale of properties to people who actually want to live in them.</p>
<p>Investors, of course, can get business loans to buy them then rent them out.</p>
<p>So why do pseudo-public corporations, nominally in the &#8220;public interest&#8221;, acting in the best interest of the bankers instead of the country? Oh, never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: AZMarkS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZMarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> From the article:

&quot;The place was a mess when they bought it — &quot;like there was a riot or something,&quot; Willow says.
                           They cleaned it up and rented it out to a young couple for $700 a month&quot;

It was $12K because it was trashed and the bank that owned it probably didn&#039;t want to spend any time fixing it up. They just wanted it gone. So the girl (and her Mom) buy it, fix it up and now have a property that can be rented out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> From the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;The place was a mess when they bought it — &#8220;like there was a riot or something,&#8221; Willow says.<br />
                           They cleaned it up and rented it out to a young couple for $700 a month&#8221;</p>
<p>It was $12K because it was trashed and the bank that owned it probably didn&#8217;t want to spend any time fixing it up. They just wanted it gone. So the girl (and her Mom) buy it, fix it up and now have a property that can be rented out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone bought a house for $100,000 that, it turns out, is worth significantly less than $100,00.  They could not afford to continue to pay for it.  It got forclosed.  For whatever reason, they did not move their possessions out of the house.  The new owner wants the stuff out and will have to pay someone to get it out or do it himself....kid recognizes opportunity.  

In Florida, where 50% of the mortgages are underwater, this kid can repeat this scenario at will.  Her mom finds a foreclosure for $12k in a &#039;decent&#039; part of town.  Something anyone willing to look could do.  

The kid has saved up $6k and her mom throws in $6k (I heard it on the radio).  The house is in her mom&#039;s name until the kid turns 18.  The kid has no expenses because she lives rent free at mom and dad&#039;s (as she should at 14).  The couple that rents from her for $700 do not have to rent, they could have searched for the $12k foreclosure and bid on it.  That&#039;d have made the bank happy.

The kid gets $700 / month, uses part to pay off her $6k debt to mom and part to pay taxes and the rest to pay maintenance or profit.  She&#039;s no dummy and she&#039;s not lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone bought a house for $100,000 that, it turns out, is worth significantly less than $100,00.  They could not afford to continue to pay for it.  It got forclosed.  For whatever reason, they did not move their possessions out of the house.  The new owner wants the stuff out and will have to pay someone to get it out or do it himself&#8230;.kid recognizes opportunity.  </p>
<p>In Florida, where 50% of the mortgages are underwater, this kid can repeat this scenario at will.  Her mom finds a foreclosure for $12k in a &#8216;decent&#8217; part of town.  Something anyone willing to look could do.  </p>
<p>The kid has saved up $6k and her mom throws in $6k (I heard it on the radio).  The house is in her mom&#8217;s name until the kid turns 18.  The kid has no expenses because she lives rent free at mom and dad&#8217;s (as she should at 14).  The couple that rents from her for $700 do not have to rent, they could have searched for the $12k foreclosure and bid on it.  That&#8217;d have made the bank happy.</p>
<p>The kid gets $700 / month, uses part to pay off her $6k debt to mom and part to pay taxes and the rest to pay maintenance or profit.  She&#8217;s no dummy and she&#8217;s not lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: ncinerate</title>
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		<dc:creator>ncinerate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Haha! I actually just recently finished watching the most recent season of &quot;the renovators&quot; from Australia. I knew -IMMEDIATELY- that Australia is off the deep end just like we were a few years back - don&#039;t worry, you&#039;ll catch up.

For anyone who has missed this absolutely hilarious show, it tasks groups of people with renovating homes in Australia with the intent to flip and make a profit. Then they introduce the homes. Here, let me demonstrate -one- of them for you:

http://therenovatorstv.com.au/the-inner-city-terrace.htm

That&#039;s right, that&#039;s a tiny little townhouse they bought for 749,000$. Guys and gals, just look at the 33 picture portfolio of the house and prepare to laugh. It&#039;s got an &quot;outdoor bathroom&quot;, and appears to be completely eaten by bugs and animals from floor to ceiling. Sure, they renovated it - but is the renovated property honestly worth more than 900,000$?!?!?!?

The rest of the homes are equally hilarious, absolutely trash buildings selling for nearly a million dollars apiece. INSANITY.

Give it a bit of time, your real estate market will come crashing down to earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Haha! I actually just recently finished watching the most recent season of &#8220;the renovators&#8221; from Australia. I knew -IMMEDIATELY- that Australia is off the deep end just like we were a few years back &#8211; don&#8217;t worry, you&#8217;ll catch up.</p>
<p>For anyone who has missed this absolutely hilarious show, it tasks groups of people with renovating homes in Australia with the intent to flip and make a profit. Then they introduce the homes. Here, let me demonstrate -one- of them for you:</p>
<p><a href="http://therenovatorstv.com.au/the-inner-city-terrace.htm" rel="nofollow">http://therenovatorstv.com.au/the-inner-city-terrace.htm</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, that&#8217;s a tiny little townhouse they bought for 749,000$. Guys and gals, just look at the 33 picture portfolio of the house and prepare to laugh. It&#8217;s got an &#8220;outdoor bathroom&#8221;, and appears to be completely eaten by bugs and animals from floor to ceiling. Sure, they renovated it &#8211; but is the renovated property honestly worth more than 900,000$?!?!?!?</p>
<p>The rest of the homes are equally hilarious, absolutely trash buildings selling for nearly a million dollars apiece. INSANITY.</p>
<p>Give it a bit of time, your real estate market will come crashing down to earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Saul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not all just like we see on HGTV?!

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not all just like we see on HGTV?!</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were you renting a place you could have bought for less than two years&#039; rent?  Of course not, only an idiot would do that.  Or someone without access to thecrony network that monopolizes deals that good...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were you renting a place you could have bought for less than two years&#8217; rent?  Of course not, only an idiot would do that.  Or someone without access to thecrony network that monopolizes deals that good&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: snagglepuss</title>
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		<dc:creator>snagglepuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not about how she got the house. 

 This appears to be a kid with an understanding of the basics of capitalism. What bears watching is what she DOES with that understanding.

Does she now retire from the housing market, content with her stroke of good fortune, combined with her readiness to move on an opportunity ?  Does she use that understanding to go on to making a career of real estate killings, moving inexorably in the direction of profiting off of others misfortune ? Will she be a consientous, responsible landlord ? Does she teach other prospective home buyers the dangers of blindly trusting something as volatile and as untrustworthy as the industry dedicated to unscrupulously making money off of somebody elses money, instead teaching people the fundamentals of caution, carefulness and price and institution comparisons ? Does she go out of her way to make people understand that she was lucky, and that not every one should expect that kind of luck in their own dealings ?

This whole article could just be the barest beginning of this girl&#039;s story...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about how she got the house. </p>
<p> This appears to be a kid with an understanding of the basics of capitalism. What bears watching is what she DOES with that understanding.</p>
<p>Does she now retire from the housing market, content with her stroke of good fortune, combined with her readiness to move on an opportunity ?  Does she use that understanding to go on to making a career of real estate killings, moving inexorably in the direction of profiting off of others misfortune ? Will she be a consientous, responsible landlord ? Does she teach other prospective home buyers the dangers of blindly trusting something as volatile and as untrustworthy as the industry dedicated to unscrupulously making money off of somebody elses money, instead teaching people the fundamentals of caution, carefulness and price and institution comparisons ? Does she go out of her way to make people understand that she was lucky, and that not every one should expect that kind of luck in their own dealings ?</p>
<p>This whole article could just be the barest beginning of this girl&#8217;s story&#8230;</p>
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