*Did you edit it? That can send it back to the filter.

Edit: That was quick, cheers.
Edit 2: Uh boss, I did it again…
Edit 3: Yes, I edited it and immediately realised what was about to happen. Thanks again.

I tried to find more detailed information regarding the necessity of a transvaginal ultrasound and it seems to be more complex that I would have thought. Despite its amateurish presentation I found the following website to be a good resource, http://www.ob-ultrasound.net

As I understand it, and I am far from being a medical professional, the reason there doesnt seem to be any clear cut answer is because the efficacy of abdominal ultrasounds depends on several factors, including the following:
- age of fetus
- body type of woman
- quality of device
- skill of operator

It therefore seems clear that a large percentage of woman will have to use the highly invasive transvaginal ultrasound. I of course agree with you when you say that the morality of the law does not change even when it is only some women rather than all.

What seems unclear to me is that, from your second link, a large percentage of women get abortions when the fetus is less than a month old. From what I have read it is impossible to detect a heartbeat at this stage of its development. Is it possible that the law requires such women to wait until the fetus is more fully developed before they can get an abortion?

I appreciate that some people actually engaged on the points I made rather than devolving into hyperbole.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/11/female-ohio-democrat-introduces-bill-to-regulate-the-reproductive-health-of-men/
“State Senator Nina Turner introduced SB 307, which requires men to visit a sex therapist, undergo a cardiac stress test, and get their sexual partner to sign a notarized affidavit confirming impotency in order to get a prescription for Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs. The bill also requires men who take the drugs to be continually “tested for heart problems, receive counseling about possible side effects and receive information about “pursuing celibacy as a viable lifestyle choice.””

my favorite, though, is this one:

“In Oklahoma, female lawmaker Constance Johnson tacked an amendment to a personhood bill stating that, “…any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman’s vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child.”

all i could think of when this mandantory look-at-the-baby-you-want-to-kill bullshit became an issue was: that’s definitely like a rape, all over again, if the abortion seeker was the victim of such a thing (either as the cause of the pregnancy or previously in her life).  that insertion (for lack of a better term), or the threat thereof, could be seriously psychologically traumatic to many women.

but i reckon the lawmakers figure she was asking for it, getting all pregnant like the slut she is.  >:(

also: sonograms ain’t cheap.

And the Republicans are the ones saying that we are spending too much on healthcare…

But they don’t mind making “sluts” and “prostitutes” have to pay more for health care. And everyone knows those are the only kinds of women who would ever, ever seek an abortion.

No, I don’t know if “vaginal ultrasound” = “transvaginal ultrasound”, but at least I admit that. Also, being an Elsevier pub, I’m sure the original is locked away behind a paywall, so we have only a pro-life site with a purported copy of the article. I’m not completely willing to accept that the article is genuine considering the source.

I’m not a supporter of the bill, and I’m certainly not pro-life. I just want to get clear of flat-out denials that information doesn’t exist. It does — whether it was twisted, or a lie, doesn’t matter, but at least you can address the information as it exists, rather than completely denying that it does in any form.

I tend to use a flowchart, myself, but that has its disadvantages.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/fact_abafterfirsttrimester_2011-04.pdf

http://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/ap85/001/2004/FetalAge.html

& I’m not a medical professional or anything, so I can’t really help too much with the answers to your question. Suffice to say, there are SOME cases where transvaginal ultrasounds are required, at the very least, & a law that requires you to rape SOME people is still a super unjust law…especially when the law is put there to make RAPING YOU a deterrent from exercising your constitutional right to bodily autonomy. If raping a person is your deterrent to keep someone from a legal medical procedure, well, you are in the wrong, you know? There isn’t a lot of wiggle room, as I see it.

To me this seems very early but I am happy to be corrected. Are abortions usually requested before this stage of development?

In a small way, I am almost happy about the fucked up laws some of these southern states are passing.  Maybe they will draw all the crazy bible wielding psychopaths into one place where they can merrily use the brutal force of the government to oppress each other.  People that don’t like having their vagina’s regulated by politicians can just move to a state that don’t suck.  Seems like a win-win for everyone.  Northern states get intelligent educated people who believe in liberty that flee those states, and the south gets to pass laws on what can and can’t be in a vagina, which appears to really get their rocks off.

And no, you’ve got your facts wrong – the transvaginal ultrasound is not done as a matter of course; it is only done when indicated, which is usually done when checking for something pathological – cysts, barriers to fertilty, that kind of thing.

There was no study published in Contraception in 2003 that discussed the transvaginal ultrasound – sorry. I reviewed both volumes 67 and 68 and found nothing to that effect.