Most flights from the US mainland to Alaska – especially those from Washington – pass over Canadian territory. The same goes for flights to/from Europe; many take the polar route, and flights to the UK from the north-eastern US tend to fly over Nova Scotia and its waters.

If an Alaskan governor can’t get home from Washington or a Congressman has problems getting home from Britain, Canada can simply point out that it’s going by US rules.

http://boingboing.net/2006/10/18/nofly-lists-even-dum.html

So the no-fly list would be better named the “People Certified Harmless But Whose Opinions We Don’t Like List”.

Oh well, as long as the terrorists don’t catch on to the “give a false name” trick, everything will be

I’ve said too much.

The thing about crossing into the country on land is, once you’re in your country you have rights. As long as you’re a U.S. citizen, especially one who isn’t charged with a crime, they can’t just turn you away on your own soil. That’s why the “keep away” plan seems to be ideal for the dealing with the problem. And, if you didn’t have the citizenship option, the borders are well-known to be particularly porous if you’re determined enough. I suppose that’s an extension to the logic, as well.

Earlier story:  http://www.independent.co.uk/hei-fi/news/us-rules-could-stop-britons-from-flying-to-caribbean-7585276.html

I was detained once coming back from Canada because I looked like someone that was on one of their lists, even though my passport came up in the computer (right in the customs booth, not in secondary screening) as valid and AFAIK my name isn’t on the DNF list (I’m pretty sure it’s on other lists now but I don’t think it was at the time, it was a few years ago).

I guarantee that at the land borders they’re hooked into the Do Not Fly list and that your name appearing on it will immediately flag you for secondary screening, and if they look through your passport and see that you avoided flying directly into the US, you’re fucked. Even if to a rational person nothing you’ve done is suspicious, and even though people who live near the border fly in and out of Canadian cities all the time to get cheaper international flights.

p.s. I was in Toronto last week and drove by a huge billboard advertising tourism in Cuba. If this is all true, presumably Canadian airlines are already sharing passenger information with DHS like is laid out here.

Came someone please ring up NATO and tell them that we’re ready for our regime change?

Will this end as time travel to 1984 or THX-1138? Do they want to place a 24-hour surveillance on each of us? To what end?

As Heinlein said, “This can’t go on…”

British citizen barred from Toronto-UK flight, stranded because of “US” no-fly list:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8222470-british-citizen-stranded-in-toronto-by-being-on-us-no-fly-list-finally-goes-home

Aeromexico Mexico-Paris flight diverted to Montreal, passenger yanked off & detained due to “US” no-fly list:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2010/05/30/montreal-plane.html

British authorities detain man who travels to the UK *by boat* because he’s on the “US” no-fly list:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/09/oregon-muslim-on-us-no-fly-list-held-after-sailing-to-britain/1?csp=34news

“US” no-fly list orders mid-flight diversion of Air France Paris-Mexico flight:
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/no-fly-list-journalist-forces-flight-diversion-20090427-ajt9.html

Blatantly evil is the new mundane.

As cowardly as they’ve become, many Americans still seem to be plenty belligerent.

“No-one… calls me… chicken!‘

“I think the no-fly list is among the most actively contributing post-911 controls towards the fact that we haven’t sustained a single successful hijacking or airport/airplane terror incident since 9/11…”

Er, yes. “I think” being the operative phrase there. David Icke *thinks* the British royal family are aliens. Rush Limbaugh *thinks* women who use the pill are whores. Plenty of people *think* plenty of boneheaded, patently false things. Do you have *any* data to back up your claim, or is it nothing more than conjecture?

And what of “those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety” an’ all that?

(Edit PS: “the alternative”? False dichotomy lol!)

Calgary and Vancouver also aren’t on the list yet but might be soon.

Oh, and you can fly Frankfurt-Whitehorse apparently.

For UK to Canada I suggest Icelandair LHR-KEF-YHZ or LHR-KEF-YYZ, but unfortunately the last leg of both is seasonal, and we’d have to see if Icelandair are also sharing passenger details.

Also, your reference to DHS approval for Cuba is only for US citizens, I was referring to UK citizens.

Let’s say you’re an American who takes a little vacation to Africa, and while you’re there some authorities back home stipulate you might actually be coordinating with Al-Queda instead of vacationing and add you to the No-Fly list. You discover this when trying to board your flight back that you can’t go home. So what do you do?

You catch a flight to Canada or Mexico and drive over the border because there isn’t a No Drive list, and you can get in that way at least. Obviously, this is an attempt to close that little loophole, sovereignty of other nations be damned (although considering Canada has a government who is more than happy to cave-in comply with any American demand, this might actually be something we’ve wholeheartedly agreed to behind the scenes in spite of this granting the United States the ability to override our nation’s immigration policy, a notion which previous governments have rejected every time).

I suppose they are also concerned about a would-be terrorist who could use a boat ride from Cuba  as a means to get into Florida (since that always works out so well).

I think the no-fly list is among the most actively contributing post-911 controls towards the fact that we haven’t sustained a single successful hijacking or airport/airplane terror incident since 9/11, in spite of all the failures and blunders and unfairness involved.  Sure people have snuck devices on planes and attempted to detonate, but they didn’t have either the tools – or, far more likely, the knowledge and experience – required to successfully down an airplane with a weapon or destructive device.

A route that might work is UK->Greenland->flight plan that involves a horribly inefficient and ugly flight route to avoid the US to get to populated areas of Canada.

Mexico and Cuba, the best route may actually be through southern Europe or Africa, and South America.

To do Mexico to Canada while avoiding the US, best bet is to fly back east, then north, then back west, which is absurdly expensive.