50-acre BDSM sex camp disapproved of

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  1. John Fleming says:

    Hmph.  So much for “Live and let live”.

    Have the neighbors heard or seen anything objectionable while on their own property?  Is anyone being forced to go the the camp?  Are minors permitted there? No?

    Then WTF?

    • SomeGuyNamedMark says:

      “Puritanism – the haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. ” – H.L. Mencken

    • Mister44 says:

      Reading the article – it is more akin to living in your parents house and they rent out a room for orgies. Sleep tight!

      I don’t really care about the idea of a sex camp – but I can totally understand living on the same property as one would be less than ideal.

      The most unsettling thing would be your parents were the ones who ran the sex camp. No one wants to imagine/see their parents having sex – especially with one of them wearing a gimp mask.

      • edgore says:

        Then don’t live there. Problem solved.

        • Mister44 says:

           Move your sex club, store tractors in the barn. Problem solved.

          • Brainspore says:

            It’s easier to relocate a squicked-out busybody daughter than an entire sex club. And if you think the property owners should be forced to shut down just because the idea of kinky sex makes others uncomfortable then I think you’re missing the point.

          • Antinous / Moderator says:

            Remember the 80s, when ‘regular’ people discovered BDSM and wouldn’t stop talking about whatever new transgression they had committed last weekend?

          • Mister44 says:

             @brainspore – it sounds more like an issue between the lady and her parents. The city shouldn’t be involved unless there are zoning laws that it is in violation of – in which case one should have your sex barn properly zoned before… erecting it.
             @boingboing-d14fe370bdf1664c34b258d65f8d3507:disqus
            I said from the beginning that I don’t care where sex barns are put up – but if I lived on the SAME property, I could understand someone not liking that. Just like they have a right to bang how they wanna, she has a right to get “squicked-out”.

          • Brainspore says:

            Just like they have a right to bang how they wanna, she has a right to get “squicked-out”.

            Of course she does. She also has the right to move somewhere else. It was your proposed “just move the sex club” solution that seemed unfair.

      • Brainspore says:

        No one wants to imagine/see their parents having sex – especially with one of them wearing a gimp mask.

        “Complain all you want kiddo, but if it weren’t for that gimp mask you wouldn’t even be here!”

      • marilove says:

        Huh.  So, I live in an apartment complex.  I imagine many of my neighbors have sex.  Some probably even have very kinky sex.  OH NO!  I know my neighbors have sex, possibly kinky sex!  And … somehow … I’m still okay.

        This is the same thing. Do you think I should be complaining about the fact that my neighbors might be having kinky sex, and do you think I should have the right to make them have kinky sex elsewhere? No? Then what’s so different about this?

        • Mister44 says:

           Again – not the same thing because of who owns the property.

          It’s not the neighbors barn, but the barn on her property (or rather the property she is living on.)

          Part of this sounds like a personal dispute between her and her parents. Technically the land belongs to the parents, if I read it correctly.

          • marilove says:

            Okay, so it’s not even her property, from what I understand, right?  It’s her parents’?  Then she can always move.  Seriously, it’s no one’s business but the people who ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY.  No one else has a reason to bitch.  If they don’t like it, they can leave.  And that includes the guy quoted here that I can’t really understand.

            It’d be like if the landlords of my complex had a sex club in one of the apartments.  I have no right to complain because it’s NOT my property.

            People who get really offended over learning that their parents have sex always seemed odd to me.  I don’t want to know specifics, and I don’t want to watch, but I do hope my parents (now divorced) get laid sometimes.  Seriously.  And if I overheard them talking about it, I might quietly walk away, since it’s none of my business, but I’m not going to freak out and cry about it and claim that I’m traumatized.  That’s ridiculously immature, imo.

          • Antinous / Moderator says:

            Having been a Realtor in Palm Springs, I had a few occasions when I brought a buyer into a home for sale only to discover a sling hanging from the ceiling in one of the bedrooms.

          • marilove says:

            Lol, @Antinous_Moderator:disqus .

            Friends of mine used to rent an old, weird house, that had obviously had a lot of random updating done.
            One old room was just … creepy.  There were cords and wires, presumably for recording and video equipment.  No windows (it was downstairs).  Hooks and things from the ceiling and walls.

            And it locked from the outside only.

          • Halloween_Jack says:

            marilove: don’t underestimate the weird things that people do to and with their property, especially if it’s gone through several hands. Could have been a rec room with hooks to hang lights from.

    • teapot says:

      It should be noted that they advertise themselves as an outdoor BDSM experience… depending on factors such as the aspect of the land and proximity to neighbours I can see how it could be an issue.

      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_qzqgyIGo5gJ:woodsstocks.org/information.php+http://woodstocks.org/&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a

  2. RHK says:

    What 2 or more consenting adults do in the privacy of their own barn is nobody elses business.

  3. info says:

    Wow. So if it is “about what you can get” it must surely be evil!

    Also, the fact that mrs. Dean feels “ashamed and humiliated” is proof that the business is working perfectly, isn’t it?

    • John Fleming says:

       “Also, the fact that mrs. Dean feels “ashamed and humiliated” is proof that the business is working perfectly, isn’t it?”

      Good point!  Woodstocks should send her a bill for services rendered.

  4. Bart says:

    So Ms. Dean trespassed on private property, broke into a locked building to take pictures and the owners of the property are the ones doing something wrong in her mind?

    •  From what I understand, Ms. Dean’s Parents own Woodstocks and handed over control of operations to a business partner recently. Ms. Dean apparently lives on the land with her parents permission. Is it trespassing to break into things on your parents land when they let you live there? Or is it just a dick move to try and get their side business shut down?

      • John Fleming says:

        You do make a good point.  It’s not clear from the article whether or not the business partner was up front about the kind of business he or she intended to run in the barn.  If the co-owners object, then that’s a legitimate dispute between them.

        It doesn’t change the fact that, in principle, businesses like Woodstocks have every right to exist and offer services that other may not like or wish to be part of. I would never be their customer, for instance, because I’m not interested in what they’re offering. But I’d have no objections to them operating near me, as long as it didn’t affect me.

      • mccrum says:

         So it sounds like she needs to talk to her parents about their business and business partner, not go crying to the media.

        And it can be trespassing if the parents decide to rpess charges.  The same way it can be GTA if a kid goes joyriding in the parents car without their permission.

      •  Mmm.. Does the sex barn pay rent? If so I’d call that trespassing. That’s kind of like your landlord coming into your place to photograph things while you’re away. I don’t *think* that’s legal, but I could be wrong.

        • jandrese says:

          Generally landlords have a provision in the lease that allows them entry to your residence at any time.  The intent is to allow them to make repairs or do inspections without having to track down the renter first.  They can’t take any of your stuff though, that would be theft. 

          Landlords will go in an photograph apartments from time to time, generally when they’re trying to document the damage being done to the unit by the renter, especially if they think they’re going to have to go to court over it. 

          • Ann Sheppard says:

            In my neck of the woods, unless there is an urgent emergency like a gushing broken pipe, a landlord must give 24 hours notice before entering.

          • Brainspore says:

            @facebook-1138705125:disqus :

            …unless there is an urgent emergency like a gushing broken pipe, a landlord must give 24 hours notice…

            Depends on what you mean by “gushing pipe.”

          • marilove says:

            At “any time”?  Uh, no.  You HAVE to give notice (usually 24 to 48 hours, depending on the state), unless it’s an emergency.  Landlords can’t just enter your place of residence just because they feel like it.

            You can’t just enter an apartment and go “welp, time for an inspection, without any notice whatsoever!” That is ridiculous. As a renter, I have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and by law, I have to be notified before my landlord enters, unless there is an ACTUAL emergency.

            Let me guess: You don’t actually know the law in regards to this, but are talking out of your ass? I had a lot of landlord issues several years ago, so I did a lot of research. And you’re wrong.

          • Antinous / Moderator says:

            Generally landlords have a provision in the lease that allows them entry to your residence at any time.

            You must not live someplace with a legal system based on common law.  A tenant has a less-than-freehold estate, but still has property rights.  24 hours written notice unless there’s an emergency.

          • bkad says:
            Generally landlords have a provision in the lease that allows them entry to your residence at any time.

            You must not live someplace with a legal system based on common law.  A tenant has a less-than-freehold estate, but still has property rights.  24 hours written notice unless there’s an emergency.

            Or, he or she lives in such place where such rules are widely ignored and/or are unenforced. Of five landlords I’ve had since college, two broke the law in their respective US states when entering the apartment unannounced while I was away. And I’ve heard countless similar stories. It’s such a casually broken law….

          • Antinous / Moderator says:

            Screw the law. I had no idea that you could nest blockquotes like that.

          • retepslluerb says:

            In my neck of the woods, it’s basically illegal of the landlord to enter on his own at all.

            It’s also  perfectly legal to change locks on the door, too, just to make sure. 

    • Dlo Burns says:

      You know, for the children.

  5. Fnordius says:

    I suppose the main issue here is that this “camp” is a commercial venture. If it was just private parties, well, then the whole “what adults do in the bedroom” clause would take effect.

    The other issues involved would be how blatant the place was in advertising itself. The article doesn’t really reveal any details. How much was the community at risk of being snickered at?

    I suspect that this will go one of two ways: either the owner of the “ranch” will give up and move to an even more remote location, or years of escalating animosity will bring about a siege mentality. In any case, Woodstocks doesn’t seem to have a profitable future ahead of itself any more.

    • Michael Wolf says:

      We don’t know anything about the business end of the camp unless you found an archived version of their site. They could very easily be a non-profit. Most BDSM clubs are.

  6. lknope says:

    “We just want it to stop,” Linda Dean said. “I would have never in a million years thought that this was going on and I’m ashamed and I’m humiliated and it’s a shame.”

    I love how Linda and Leonard Dean find sex so dirty, shameful and humiliating that of course they had to take pictures of other people’s sex toys and worry over other people’s sex lives.   If you find it so distasteful you could always, you know, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS and you wouldn’t end up so scandalized.

    • ChicagoD says:

      If she thinks she’s ashamed and humiliated now, she ought to book a session. It might blow her mind.

    • SomeGuyNamedMark says:

      The devil is in the details…

      “I plan on sticking my arm up a cow’s vagina to impregnate it.”
      “Ok, approved.”

      “I plan on doing something similar to a person while wearing a leather mask.”
      “What!?”

    • Ipo says:

       Just imagine that humiliation! 
      Living next doors to the SexBarn and never even having been invited.  Such a shame. 

  7. simonbarsinister says:

    Easy solution: let the locals come throw tomatoes at members who are locked into stocks. Locals vent their frustration, members get happy. Might get a few new members, too. Everybody wins.

  8. simonbarsinister says:

    This is outrageous! Unacceptable that people would do dirty nasty sexy things. Where, um, can I see those photos, so I can properly gauge my outrage?

    • Jubilex says:

       Honestly… if you need help finding pictures like this on the internet… then I’m not sure you are old enough to view them :)

      • Christopher says:

        I wouldn’t want to go making guesses about anyone else’s age, but I’ve noticed younger people usually have very little trouble navigating the internet. It’s older folks who typically need assistance.

    • Stooge says:

      “200 Girls 1 Tank” will be coming to a website near you soon.

  9. You have to love Pennsylvania, look at the Amish worksmanship of that St. Andrew’s cross!

  10. Cowicide says:

    50-acre BDSM sex camp disapproved of

    First thing I did was check the URL for the onion.

  11. microcars says:

    “What goes on up there – I wouldn’t even say on TV,” said Leonard Dean, who also complained that he was not allowed to watch.

  12. Must be Santorum supporters who are getting this place shut down

  13. Dlo Burns says:

    This is santorum country isn’t it?

  14. yupgiboy says:

    Geez. Only 30 miles from my house. It’s in Washington County, BTW, not Washington Township.

  15. machinestate says:

    “Oh son, we thought you’d never forgive us for sending you off to camp that summer”
    “What?!  But I loved it there!”

  16. philipb says:

    I’m applying for a job there to live out my Sinal Tap fantasies.

    “Working on a sex farm”

  17. Jim Dillon says:

    I love the fact that the town hall looks exactly like the dungeon, only white with green trim instead of green with white trim.

  18. “We’re all here at Woodstocks.  Some day there will be a black president.”  - Jackie Jormp-Jomp

  19. msbpodcast says:

    What goes on up there – I wouldn’t even say on TV,” Leonard Dean said. “I mean, it’s all about sex and it’s all dirty, about what you can get and it doesn’t need to be here and the man makes a lot of money doing it.

    What a flaming, sexually-repressed, incoherent hypocrite.

    What goes on up there – I wouldn’t even say on TV” So you’re saying you don’t know? Or that you’re such a repressed tight-ass you feel it within your right to censor us from knowing. 

    Its all about sex and its all dirty“? Don’t have any kids do you? To paraphrase Woody Allan “Sex isn’t dirty, unless its done right“.

    And the last part is why he won’t get his way: “the man makes a lot of money doing it“.

    Profit trumps morality every time.

    This is Amerucah buddy!

    Fuck yeah!!

    • That_Anonymous_Coward says:

      “What goes on up there – I wouldn’t even say on TV”
      Question for him – How in the blazes does he knows what goes on up there, or is he just filling in the blanks in his own fevered imagination?
      BDSM is not always sexual in nature, and well gee its not like they are grabbing people off the street and forcing them to participate.

      It sounds like the Deans need to be asked to leave the property her parents own.  Her parents were running the camp until recently it seems.  She trespassed into land not under her control, took photographs, and then used them to create issues for a legal business operation.
      It seems fairly obvious that she is willing to goto any lengths to ruin her parents business, so they should boot her ungrateful ass off the property.

      It is a camp, it has a fetish theme that seems to bring in business to the local community.  It isn’t a brothel, it isn’t underaged teens being forced to sleep with johns, but because this woman is a busybody it is now an issue.

      If we all showed up on her doorstep and took pictures inside her home when she wasn’t around, and trespassed we’d get arrested and she would be screaming about her rights being violated.  But its ok if she does it.

      • Antinous / Moderator says:

        The really perverted ones get into some seriously weird shit, eh?

        • That_Anonymous_Coward says:

           Look at all those pervs out in the daylight, taking pictures of it…
          They promote cannibalism, but WE’RE the weird ones….

  20. $8357570 says:

    wont’ someone think of the children?

    /couldn’t resist ;)

  21. Shane Amerman says:

    If the owners (land or business) didn’t do the due diligence on checking zoning laws, then yeah, getting that worked out is important.  But these to pillars of the community sound like they have sour grapes over some dispute about the property with the parents and are taking it out on the renter. 

    Whatever the reason, the people complaining need to get a life and mind their own business.  Report it if they are making bombs or meth, not if they are having sex.

    I hope for a day when the puritanical sickness that has made this country so distorted about what it is to be a good person is cured.

  22. Mr. Protocol says:

    W00T!  I was born in Washington Township and it was a LOT more boring than this when I was growing up there!

  23. Antinous / Moderator says:

    Maybe she’ll try sending the INS up there to see if that ‘Dirty’ Sanchez they keep talking about has a green card.

  24. LogrusZed says:

    Goddamn puritanical morons.

    /vanilla, btw. Just not a busybody.

  25. homer2324 says:

    I am surprise that no one has mentioned San Francisco Armory so far:

    http://www.sfarmory.com/ 

    it is being used by the kink network for their special interest productions, which is huge. 

    and oh, free tour.

    ‘I am just doing a tour in SF’s Armory’

    totally historical

  26. That_Anonymous_Coward says:

    Oh and just to add some more flavor…
    It appears shes a political candidate.

    http://www.co.greene.pa.us/secured/gc2/depts/adm/elec/docs/MAY%2017%202011%20WRITE-INS.pdf

    Guess maybe she wants to run for a higher office next time…

  27. Halloween_Jack says:

    This cycle–sex business gets established in small town or rural location, locals find out about it and gin up some outrage, law or zoning gets passed that effectively bans business, business closes or moves–is fairly common in fly-over country. They get established because people in the sticks like to get their freak on just as much as anyone else, and the towns or townships that host them often don’t have laws against adult businesses, or have laws that are easily circumvented, like the “private membership” dodge. (There’s a medium-sized city near me, for example, that doesn’t allow strip clubs–the nearest one is several miles north of the city, just over the county line–but hosts three or four Asian massage parlors. Go figure.) They dig their own well and don’t require a lot in the way of services, and quite often take care of their own security problems. Sometimes the local gas station/country store owner is a little leery of the jaded “city” types that he anticipates flooding his establishment, and it takes him a while to figure out that the nice normal-looking, minivan-driving couples that have started visiting his store in larger numbers and seem awfully happy to be in town are the clientele and he starts to come around and maybe wonder if he and the wife ought to check the place out, might spice up the marriage some.

    But it doesn’t last, and sometimes it’s the local snake-handling preacher that most folks are a little leery of and sometimes it’s the local crank who’s obsessed with getting back the railroad right-of-way that runs through his property that was taken by eminent domain back in the Buchanan Administration and sometimes it’s losers like the Deans that don’t seem to have anything better to do, but a panty-sniffer is a panty-sniffer and they’re pretty relentless, and when it comes down to it even someone who’s been part of the county government since the days that you could still buy leaded gas and can pretty much count on the job being his as long as he wants it since he’s the only one left in the county who can balance the books and has the requisite time on his hands doesn’t want to come out in favor of the sort of place where he can watch the grandmother of his grandchildren get double-teamed by a couple of farm boys or have his own ass whipped cherry-red by the sort of riding crop that his own great-grandfather used to sell at that corner store. If necessary, they’ll pack the county commission with like-minded people, an easy task since local elections have long since become a perfunctory affair, and even though they couldn’t manage a ham sandwich let alone governmental matters and will probably end up selling the entire county to a factory farm so noxious that it can be smelled from orbit, by God there won’t be any more of that sinning at the corner of County Highway B and the Old Springfield Road, not if they can help it.

    And so the whole naughty enterprise ends up moving to the next county over, sometimes literally if it’s in the right kind of prefab building. Lather, rinse, repeat; same as it ever was.

  28. flickerKuu says:

    God forbid consenting adults pay heaps of money to go out in the middle of no where behind closed doors to get their nasty on. Land of the Free huh? Not unless you’re a nun though right? Christ, what an assholes.

  29. i live only a couple of miles away from there and I think it could be awesome. it would be nice not to have to drive over 50 miles everytime my fiancee and i want to spice up our sex life. Instead of worrying about a ‘sex camp’ next door the ‘good’ people of this township should probally worry about the rise in drug use and how much money our government gives to people for being drug addicts!

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