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	<title>Comments on: U.S. teen pregnancy drops sharply; child impregnation most popular in Bible&#160;Belt</title>
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		<title>By: retchdog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1400382</link>
		<dc:creator>retchdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>relax: you&#039;re regressing a proportion to a total; this should raise a flag immediately. you&#039;re inviting confounding effects to undetectably undermine you. for example, increased birth and abortion rates in 20-35 year-olds (a quite reasonable scenario) will easily cause the effect you observe; the abortions will raise X, while the births will decrease the _percentage_ of births by &lt;20 year-olds, Y. do you see what i&#039;m saying? just because correlations &quot;aren&#039;t&quot; causation, doesn&#039;t mean you shouldn&#039;t try to do a reasonable job at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>relax: you&#8217;re regressing a proportion to a total; this should raise a flag immediately. you&#8217;re inviting confounding effects to undetectably undermine you. for example, increased birth and abortion rates in 20-35 year-olds (a quite reasonable scenario) will easily cause the effect you observe; the abortions will raise X, while the births will decrease the _percentage_ of births by &lt;20 year-olds, Y. do you see what i&#039;m saying? just because correlations &quot;aren&#039;t&quot; causation, doesn&#039;t mean you shouldn&#039;t try to do a reasonable job at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lose your sarcasm detector?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lose your sarcasm detector?</p>
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		<title>By: TO</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1399658</link>
		<dc:creator>TO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because driving a vehicle is merely an urge that can be overcome with self-control and guidance?  What an odd analogy to draw. Vehicles propel people from point A to B conveniently.  Therefore, sex is for procreation purposes only.  The problem of teen pregnancy, according to you, can be best addressed by curbing the strong desire of teenagers to become parents to needy, screaming infants... as the euphoria of orgasmic stimulation is a moot aside.  At least leak some cogent spores on us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because driving a vehicle is merely an urge that can be overcome with self-control and guidance?  What an odd analogy to draw. Vehicles propel people from point A to B conveniently.  Therefore, sex is for procreation purposes only.  The problem of teen pregnancy, according to you, can be best addressed by curbing the strong desire of teenagers to become parents to needy, screaming infants&#8230; as the euphoria of orgasmic stimulation is a moot aside.  At least leak some cogent spores on us.</p>
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		<title>By: TO</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1399637</link>
		<dc:creator>TO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the father of someone has not yet been involved in a pregnancy in their teen years.  I&#039;m conservative, and live in New Hampshire. Waa-waaaah. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the father of someone has not yet been involved in a pregnancy in their teen years.  I&#8217;m conservative, and live in New Hampshire. Waa-waaaah. </p>
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		<title>By: relaxwerejusttalking</title>
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		<dc:creator>relaxwerejusttalking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grist for your mills. 

Census data from 2000,2005,2008 showing significant negative linear regressions between recorded abortion rate (N per 1000 women) and teen birth rate (% of total births to women &lt; 20 years old) by US state (N=50).
  All three years are significant - where there are lots of abortions, there are fewer teen births. Where lots of teen births, fewer abortions.
  Remember: it&#039;s not casuality. It&#039;s not explaining anywhere near everything (the correlation explains 9-10% of the variation). AND The correlation is not very robust: if you include DC (I did not), where both abortions and teen births are crazy high (relatively speaking), only 2008 still shows significance (p&lt;0.05).

Discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grist for your mills. </p>
<p>Census data from 2000,2005,2008 showing significant negative linear regressions between recorded abortion rate (N per 1000 women) and teen birth rate (% of total births to women &lt; 20 years old) by US state (N=50).<br />
  All three years are significant &#8211; where there are lots of abortions, there are fewer teen births. Where lots of teen births, fewer abortions.<br />
  Remember: it&#039;s not casuality. It&#039;s not explaining anywhere near everything (the correlation explains 9-10% of the variation). AND The correlation is not very robust: if you include DC (I did not), where both abortions and teen births are crazy high (relatively speaking), only 2008 still shows significance (p&lt;0.05).</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1398834</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polygamy and child brides do cut down on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polygamy and child brides do cut down on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel Walker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1398435</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that Utah is the only state where religion doesn&#039;t affect education or out-of-wedlock births. Weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that Utah is the only state where religion doesn&#8217;t affect education or out-of-wedlock births. Weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1398091</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tyler: I thought the punchline was &lt;i&gt;life&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tyler: I thought the punchline was <i>life</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Puryear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Puryear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Children, duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Children, duh.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTanningMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheTanningMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No but they will outlaw abortion and WELFARE  if they had their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No but they will outlaw abortion and WELFARE  if they had their way.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1397491</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may still be required to report numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may still be required to report numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: absimiliard</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1397481</link>
		<dc:creator>absimiliard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chlamydia?

-abs is pretty sure he&#039;s right about the disease, he&#039;s less sure about the spelling of it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chlamydia?</p>
<p>-abs is pretty sure he&#8217;s right about the disease, he&#8217;s less sure about the spelling of it</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-religious family.  Four people in my generation on both sides of the family, one in the next.  And everybody except that one is past breeding age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-religious family.  Four people in my generation on both sides of the family, one in the next.  And everybody except that one is past breeding age.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A lot of kids in the Bible belt marry and have kids young.&quot;

And not in that order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A lot of kids in the Bible belt marry and have kids young.&#8221;</p>
<p>And not in that order.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1397344</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if you can&#039;t afford it , still living at home, and forced to take welfare because you have no other options.&quot;

Thankfully CONSERVATIVES would never do such a thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if you can&#8217;t afford it , still living at home, and forced to take welfare because you have no other options.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thankfully CONSERVATIVES would never do such a thing.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1397340</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blah blah blah blah &quot;sin cursed world&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blah blah blah blah &#8220;sin cursed world&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1397337</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except it&#039;s the conservative policy that encourages promiscuous, unprotected sex. 


Thanks for missing the point, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except it&#8217;s the conservative policy that encourages promiscuous, unprotected sex. </p>
<p>Thanks for missing the point, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The safest way to drive is to avoid driving entirely. This concludes your automotive safety course.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The safest way to drive is to avoid driving entirely. This concludes your automotive safety course.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Forkboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forkboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Maybe because most abortions these days are performed by actual physicians patient confidentiality applies and so it&#039;s less likely to get out ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Maybe because most abortions these days are performed by actual physicians patient confidentiality applies and so it&#8217;s less likely to get out ?</p>
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		<title>By: TooGoodToCheck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/16/u-s-teen-pregnancy-drops-shar.html#comment-1397139</link>
		<dc:creator>TooGoodToCheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason to include them is because they are who this conversation is about.  The kids who are having kids in the bible belt aren&#039;t utilitarian liberal atheist humanists who took a wrong turn at Broadway and accidentally wandered into Oklahoma.

I absolutely agree that a utilitarian, empirically-honed propaganda campaign would be an excellent approach.  That&#039;s precisely why it&#039;s worth using respect, tact, and understanding when you&#039;re approaching people with whom you strongly disagree - because hearts and minds are rarely won in a conversation that starts with telling people that they&#039;re ignorant assholes who just want to keep their women-folk barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen. (i.e. &quot;high teen pregnancy rates are actually an indicator that the program has been spectacularly successful&quot;).

I worry when I see a siege mentality coming out.  I used to be pretty religious, and a major part of what helped me to get away from that was meeting and becoming friends with non-religious people who were able to express and defend their views without being insulting.  A great way to encourage people to remain strongly religious is for the people who don&#039;t  share their beliefs to tell them how stupid their faith is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason to include them is because they are who this conversation is about.  The kids who are having kids in the bible belt aren&#8217;t utilitarian liberal atheist humanists who took a wrong turn at Broadway and accidentally wandered into Oklahoma.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree that a utilitarian, empirically-honed propaganda campaign would be an excellent approach.  That&#8217;s precisely why it&#8217;s worth using respect, tact, and understanding when you&#8217;re approaching people with whom you strongly disagree &#8211; because hearts and minds are rarely won in a conversation that starts with telling people that they&#8217;re ignorant assholes who just want to keep their women-folk barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen. (i.e. &#8220;high teen pregnancy rates are actually an indicator that the program has been spectacularly successful&#8221;).</p>
<p>I worry when I see a siege mentality coming out.  I used to be pretty religious, and a major part of what helped me to get away from that was meeting and becoming friends with non-religious people who were able to express and defend their views without being insulting.  A great way to encourage people to remain strongly religious is for the people who don&#8217;t  share their beliefs to tell them how stupid their faith is.</p>
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		<title>By: messymeasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>messymeasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...most Texas districts teach abistence-only sex ed...if you can call it sex ed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;most Texas districts teach abistence-only sex ed&#8230;if you can call it sex ed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Always nice to see the same kind of reasoning as people who blame it on the higher rates of Hispanics and blacks in those states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Always nice to see the same kind of reasoning as people who blame it on the higher rates of Hispanics and blacks in those states.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What will stop Conservative America&#039;s progeny from having so much hot, wild, bareback sex?&quot;

Thanks for engaging in the same level of reasoning as people who blame it on the higher level of blacks and Hispanics in those states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What will stop Conservative America&#8217;s progeny from having so much hot, wild, bareback sex?&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for engaging in the same level of reasoning as people who blame it on the higher level of blacks and Hispanics in those states.</p>
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		<title>By: Maj Variola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maj Variola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta breed replacement mercenaries...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta breed replacement mercenaries&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See above comment.  And it isn&#039;t gut it is simple logic.  However, yes the logical explanation is not always the correct one.  So thank you for challenging my statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See above comment.  And it isn&#8217;t gut it is simple logic.  However, yes the logical explanation is not always the correct one.  So thank you for challenging my statement.</p>
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		<title>By: messymeasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>messymeasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will stop Conservative America&#039;s progeny from having so much hot, wild, bareback sex?

We don&#039;t have sex ed in Texas schools...I think that could possibly connected to  our high teen pregnancy rate...(sarcasm alert)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will stop Conservative America&#8217;s progeny from having so much hot, wild, bareback sex?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have sex ed in Texas schools&#8230;I think that could possibly connected to  our high teen pregnancy rate&#8230;(sarcasm alert)</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comment as I did use poor wording.  However logical it is, it is not  an &quot;of course&quot;.  That said, the numbers do follow logic.  And my entire point was simply that this is nothing more than a fluff misleading article to drive traffic.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/hea_abo_rat-health-abortion-rate

Those numbers are old but I don&#039;t have time to make a graph of all the current numbers.  However, you can look through the numbers here:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.html#US

and see it is still a typical trend that blue states have higher abortion rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comment as I did use poor wording.  However logical it is, it is not  an &#8220;of course&#8221;.  That said, the numbers do follow logic.  And my entire point was simply that this is nothing more than a fluff misleading article to drive traffic.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.statemaster.com/graph/hea_abo_rat-health-abortion-rate" rel="nofollow">http://www.statemaster.com/graph/hea_abo_rat-health-abortion-rate</a></p>
<p>Those numbers are old but I don&#8217;t have time to make a graph of all the current numbers.  However, you can look through the numbers here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.html#US" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.html#US</a></p>
<p>and see it is still a typical trend that blue states have higher abortion rates.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except not really.  The (white) middle class is quite a bit more religious than the (white) poor.  (See Charles Murray)  And in the conservative states, the poor definitely vote Democratic more often the middle class and rich, who are more likely to vote Republican. (See Andrew Gelman&#039;s research.)  Actually, in all states the wealthier one is, the more likely one votes Republican.

The difference is that in the conservative states, the middle class votes Republican and is religious (and the upper class extremely so), whereas in the liberal states the slope of the line is lower and the middle class votes Democratic and is less religious than the middle class in conservative states.

There&#039;s a lot of Simpson&#039;s Paradox going on when you compare states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except not really.  The (white) middle class is quite a bit more religious than the (white) poor.  (See Charles Murray)  And in the conservative states, the poor definitely vote Democratic more often the middle class and rich, who are more likely to vote Republican. (See Andrew Gelman&#8217;s research.)  Actually, in all states the wealthier one is, the more likely one votes Republican.</p>
<p>The difference is that in the conservative states, the middle class votes Republican and is religious (and the upper class extremely so), whereas in the liberal states the slope of the line is lower and the middle class votes Democratic and is less religious than the middle class in conservative states.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of Simpson&#8217;s Paradox going on when you compare states.</p>
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		<title>By: Jellodyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jellodyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Touche</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Touche</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That may have been true in the past. :P </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may have been true in the past. :P </p>
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