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	<title>Comments on: Florida standardized science tests are a&#160;disaster</title>
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		<title>By: cinch123</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1399023</link>
		<dc:creator>cinch123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just from one science teacher&#039;s perspective. We teach that &quot;scientists like&quot; quantitative observations more than qualitative observations. AND it must be easily testable WITHOUT bias. So the answer that is labeled number 4 is the only one that is clearly testable without bias. Just to make sure, I gave this to my 3 seventh grade science classes in Georgia. I have 31 in my first class, 29 in second and 31 in my third class. (my other classes are social studies with the same students). Of the 91 students who answered this as their &quot;ticket out the door&quot;, only 2 answered incorrectly so the question can&#039;t be too bad. 

On the other hand the definition of predator is so far off it is not even funny. The author is correct. With that definition everything on the planet is a predator even plants.  That needs revised.

One of the things that people may need to understand is that with science and social studies content, sometimes the only way that  the testing companies can find to have students miss questions is to try to confuse them about answers. So they make questions like these with answers that are ambiguous and close to faulty so the students get confused and they can say the students don&#039;t know the content when they miss the questions. These are perfect examples of how they do it and really the only way they can make students miss questions. Sorry, but that is what I see every year......and I have been teaching life sciences in 7th grade for over 25 years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just from one science teacher&#8217;s perspective. We teach that &#8220;scientists like&#8221; quantitative observations more than qualitative observations. AND it must be easily testable WITHOUT bias. So the answer that is labeled number 4 is the only one that is clearly testable without bias. Just to make sure, I gave this to my 3 seventh grade science classes in Georgia. I have 31 in my first class, 29 in second and 31 in my third class. (my other classes are social studies with the same students). Of the 91 students who answered this as their &#8220;ticket out the door&#8221;, only 2 answered incorrectly so the question can&#8217;t be too bad. </p>
<p>On the other hand the definition of predator is so far off it is not even funny. The author is correct. With that definition everything on the planet is a predator even plants.  That needs revised.</p>
<p>One of the things that people may need to understand is that with science and social studies content, sometimes the only way that  the testing companies can find to have students miss questions is to try to confuse them about answers. So they make questions like these with answers that are ambiguous and close to faulty so the students get confused and they can say the students don&#8217;t know the content when they miss the questions. These are perfect examples of how they do it and really the only way they can make students miss questions. Sorry, but that is what I see every year&#8230;&#8230;and I have been teaching life sciences in 7th grade for over 25 years</p>
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		<title>By: Ozzy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1398757</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Prettier (in terms of sounds) is not entirely a social construct. It also has to do with the structure of our auditory organs and brains. There has already been cross-cultural research done into emotional responses to different kinds of music. I think there&#039;s plenty of room to do valid research into the prettiness of birdsong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Prettier (in terms of sounds) is not entirely a social construct. It also has to do with the structure of our auditory organs and brains. There has already been cross-cultural research done into emotional responses to different kinds of music. I think there&#8217;s plenty of room to do valid research into the prettiness of birdsong.</p>
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		<title>By: benher</title>
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		<dc:creator>benher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 6000 years ago, God created the heavens and the earth in: 
A. 5 days
B. 6 days
C. 7 days
D. 8 days

See you at the final!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 6000 years ago, God created the heavens and the earth in: <br />
A. 5 days<br />
B. 6 days<br />
C. 7 days<br />
D. 8 days</p>
<p>See you at the final!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Truxall</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1398359</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Truxall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has probably been asked and answered before, but why do under-performing schools get dinged on money? Isn&#039;t that like shooting a sinking ship? Wouldn&#039;t you want to invest more to try to shore up the school, educate the kids better, etc etc? I understand the other side of the argument, that giving them money is like polishing a turd or waste of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has probably been asked and answered before, but why do under-performing schools get dinged on money? Isn&#8217;t that like shooting a sinking ship? Wouldn&#8217;t you want to invest more to try to shore up the school, educate the kids better, etc etc? I understand the other side of the argument, that giving them money is like polishing a turd or waste of money.</p>
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		<title>By: arbitraryaardvark</title>
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		<dc:creator>arbitraryaardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked as a temp at McGraw-Hill, which grades these tests for Florida and Indiana and some other states. I was fired for refusing to mark zeros for the 10% of the kids who had found a more correct answer to the question I was grading. That was 6 years ago, and I haven&#039;t had a regular job since. The &quot;correct&quot; answer was 36.4 centimeters, but the better answer was 36 centimeters, because the instructions specified &quot;give your answer in centimeters.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked as a temp at McGraw-Hill, which grades these tests for Florida and Indiana and some other states. I was fired for refusing to mark zeros for the 10% of the kids who had found a more correct answer to the question I was grading. That was 6 years ago, and I haven&#8217;t had a regular job since. The &#8220;correct&#8221; answer was 36.4 centimeters, but the better answer was 36 centimeters, because the instructions specified &#8220;give your answer in centimeters.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but the key here is &quot;in part&quot;.

Figure out what aspects are universal and/or near-universal and bingo.

What are the aural equivalents of symmetry and the golden ratio etc? Seems an interesting question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but the key here is &#8220;in part&#8221;.</p>
<p>Figure out what aspects are universal and/or near-universal and bingo.</p>
<p>What are the aural equivalents of symmetry and the golden ratio etc? Seems an interesting question.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yeah, I was thinking that.

&lt;i&gt;Pretty&lt;/i&gt; has a generally-accepted definition that&#039;s only somewhat subject to variation and can be tested for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yeah, I was thinking that.</p>
<p><i>Pretty</i> has a generally-accepted definition that&#8217;s only somewhat subject to variation and can be tested for.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1398056</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> It&#039;s the American Way, innit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It&#8217;s the American Way, innit?</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1398052</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Damn straight.

The number of tests I&#039;ve sat that were obviously made of fail pisses me off immensely. How the flying &lt;i&gt;fuck&lt;/i&gt; are you meant to meaningfully test people if the person designing the test isn&#039;t intelligent enough to say, correctly parse grammar for example?

Surely such folks should be at least as smart as 98% of the people sitting the test.

I once got robbed for 100% on a statistics and symbolic &lt;b&gt;logic&lt;/b&gt; test because I answered the question exactly as it was written, ie I provided the requested &#039;any&#039; values rather than all values as my lecturer expected me to ascertain via ESP or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Damn straight.</p>
<p>The number of tests I&#8217;ve sat that were obviously made of fail pisses me off immensely. How the flying <i>fuck</i> are you meant to meaningfully test people if the person designing the test isn&#8217;t intelligent enough to say, correctly parse grammar for example?</p>
<p>Surely such folks should be at least as smart as 98% of the people sitting the test.</p>
<p>I once got robbed for 100% on a statistics and symbolic <b>logic</b> test because I answered the question exactly as it was written, ie I provided the requested &#8216;any&#8217; values rather than all values as my lecturer expected me to ascertain via ESP or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1397979</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 04:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: alizardx</title>
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		<dc:creator>alizardx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one assumes the purpose of the test is to fail as many students and schools to reduce funding for public ed and &quot;force&quot; the state government to find private sector crony capitalism &quot;alternatives&quot; to &quot;educate&quot; young people, the test serves its purpose well. We are rapidly moving to a 2 tier educational system, a privatized tax-funded McSchool &#039;teach to the test&#039; environment for people whose lives will be marginal and REAL education for future managers and professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one assumes the purpose of the test is to fail as many students and schools to reduce funding for public ed and &#8220;force&#8221; the state government to find private sector crony capitalism &#8220;alternatives&#8221; to &#8220;educate&#8221; young people, the test serves its purpose well. We are rapidly moving to a 2 tier educational system, a privatized tax-funded McSchool &#8216;teach to the test&#8217; environment for people whose lives will be marginal and REAL education for future managers and professionals.</p>
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		<title>By: Alethea Jahn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1397899</link>
		<dc:creator>Alethea Jahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me the most glaring issue this article brings up is that these tests are secret.  The only people that know what is on the test are the students taking it and the company that creates and grades it.  There is no accountability here.  Tests should be made public as the schools have finished administering them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me the most glaring issue this article brings up is that these tests are secret.  The only people that know what is on the test are the students taking it and the company that creates and grades it.  There is no accountability here.  Tests should be made public as the schools have finished administering them.</p>
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		<title>By: kim midkiff</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1397833</link>
		<dc:creator>kim midkiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wait. The articles I have been reading about how universities should be responsible for the percent of freshmen who actually graduate are just the tip of the &quot;accountability&quot; movement that will soon overtake higher ed. How soon do you think it will be before someone dictates a &quot;Common Core&quot; for college degrees, or exit exams mandated by the fed or state governments, or basing your evaluation on the test scores of your students? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wait. The articles I have been reading about how universities should be responsible for the percent of freshmen who actually graduate are just the tip of the &#8220;accountability&#8221; movement that will soon overtake higher ed. How soon do you think it will be before someone dictates a &#8220;Common Core&#8221; for college degrees, or exit exams mandated by the fed or state governments, or basing your evaluation on the test scores of your students? </p>
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		<title>By: Steve Scher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1397820</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Scher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Hardness and sweetness ARE perceptions.  Just because some scientist defines some measurement as meaning &#039;hard&#039; or &#039;sweet&#039; doesn&#039;t mean that it really is sweet or hard.  The so called objective measurement is a tautology: I define the quality of hardness as a reading on some meter.  Therefore, I call it hard if it gets a certain score.  But, if no one perceives that as hard, then it isn&#039;t hard.

So, I could do the same thing with prettiness of bird song.  I play a lot of bird songs to people, and ask them which ones are the prettiest.  Then, I abstract from that the sonic qualities that define prettiness, then I measure those sonic properties and declare the one that has them the prettiest.  Same thing.

Also, there appear to be species-universal evolved preferences for various things that we view as physically attractive (landscapes, people).   No reason to suppose that there aren&#039;t also universal preferences for song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Hardness and sweetness ARE perceptions.  Just because some scientist defines some measurement as meaning &#8216;hard&#8217; or &#8216;sweet&#8217; doesn&#8217;t mean that it really is sweet or hard.  The so called objective measurement is a tautology: I define the quality of hardness as a reading on some meter.  Therefore, I call it hard if it gets a certain score.  But, if no one perceives that as hard, then it isn&#8217;t hard.</p>
<p>So, I could do the same thing with prettiness of bird song.  I play a lot of bird songs to people, and ask them which ones are the prettiest.  Then, I abstract from that the sonic qualities that define prettiness, then I measure those sonic properties and declare the one that has them the prettiest.  Same thing.</p>
<p>Also, there appear to be species-universal evolved preferences for various things that we view as physically attractive (landscapes, people).   No reason to suppose that there aren&#8217;t also universal preferences for song.</p>
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		<title>By: Doobie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1397779</link>
		<dc:creator>Doobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not news to science teachers all over the country who have to deal with standardized tests. Even in states with good prep materials there are always some questions that either are blatantly wrong, have more than one answer, or more onerously, ask questions that only worldly children of upper middle class families would be able to confidently answer.

also - during test prep teachers mostly focus on how to think like the exam writer (for example, if the question says x then the answer is likely going to be y) instead of teaching students actual science skills.  If you&#039;ve ever taken any SAT or GRE test prep courses you&#039;d understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not news to science teachers all over the country who have to deal with standardized tests. Even in states with good prep materials there are always some questions that either are blatantly wrong, have more than one answer, or more onerously, ask questions that only worldly children of upper middle class families would be able to confidently answer.</p>
<p>also &#8211; during test prep teachers mostly focus on how to think like the exam writer (for example, if the question says x then the answer is likely going to be y) instead of teaching students actual science skills.  If you&#8217;ve ever taken any SAT or GRE test prep courses you&#8217;d understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We must punish the best teachers and the brightest students. How else can ignorance be rewarded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must punish the best teachers and the brightest students. How else can ignorance be rewarded?</p>
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		<title>By: chenille</title>
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		<dc:creator>chenille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Correlate quite well with the people with the personal and financial resources to teach their children how to game tests like this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;You&#039;re simply wrong here.  In my experience, once kids get burned for knowing more than the test a few times, they decide tests are stupid.  Maybe some worry about &quot;gaming&quot; them, but others are too busy learning real things to care.

And, of course, not caring about tests is only a good outcome if everyone &lt;i&gt;else&lt;/i&gt; understands they&#039;re stupid. Even if there were a loose correlation, a metric that measures the wrong thing is always a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Correlate quite well with the people with the personal and financial resources to teach their children how to game tests like this.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re simply wrong here.  In my experience, once kids get burned for knowing more than the test a few times, they decide tests are stupid.  Maybe some worry about &#8220;gaming&#8221; them, but others are too busy learning real things to care.</p>
<p>And, of course, not caring about tests is only a good outcome if everyone <i>else</i> understands they&#8217;re stupid. Even if there were a loose correlation, a metric that measures the wrong thing is always a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> My understanding is that it&#039;s pretty much pass- fail for schools. Get most kids up to the bare minimum as assessed on these faulty tests, and you keep your funding. No credit for kids who learn more, no penalty for failing to teach kids who could do more, so long as the average student passes the faulty tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> My understanding is that it&#8217;s pretty much pass- fail for schools. Get most kids up to the bare minimum as assessed on these faulty tests, and you keep your funding. No credit for kids who learn more, no penalty for failing to teach kids who could do more, so long as the average student passes the faulty tests.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorpho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorpho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I thought it was a typo, but no one has fixed it yet.  Isn&#039;t it a typo!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I thought it was a typo, but no one has fixed it yet.  Isn&#8217;t it a typo!?</p>
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		<title>By: TooGoodToCheck</title>
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		<dc:creator>TooGoodToCheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even a perfect test would not avoid the problem that attempts at incentivizing good performance will beat down those schools that most need a hand up.  

Worse yet, poverty tends to be pretty rough on children&#039;s academic performance.  This means that even if those educators are doing their absolute best, they can be fighting an uphill battle.  It also means that standardized testing serves as a way, intentional or not, of screwing kids in the poor neighborhoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even a perfect test would not avoid the problem that attempts at incentivizing good performance will beat down those schools that most need a hand up.  </p>
<p>Worse yet, poverty tends to be pretty rough on children&#8217;s academic performance.  This means that even if those educators are doing their absolute best, they can be fighting an uphill battle.  It also means that standardized testing serves as a way, intentional or not, of screwing kids in the poor neighborhoods.</p>
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		<title>By: satn</title>
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		<dc:creator>satn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the metaphore would be more accurate as &quot;kind of like trying to fix your car by stopping to check the fluid levels every hour or so (but only spending money on car maintenance if everything looks good)&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the metaphore would be more accurate as &#8220;kind of like trying to fix your car by stopping to check the fluid levels every hour or so (but only spending money on car maintenance if everything looks good)&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: C.J. Hayes</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1397630</link>
		<dc:creator>C.J. Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tests shouldn&#039;t be about being &quot;more correct,&quot; unless it&#039;s a test about semantics.  In a science test, there should be a clear correct answer, but the test makers are too lazy to even consider the questions they&#039;re posing.  In testing, the wrong answers are just as important as the right ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tests shouldn&#8217;t be about being &#8220;more correct,&#8221; unless it&#8217;s a test about semantics.  In a science test, there should be a clear correct answer, but the test makers are too lazy to even consider the questions they&#8217;re posing.  In testing, the wrong answers are just as important as the right ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Chevan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1397621</link>
		<dc:creator>Chevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The point of that research is that proper interpretation of those experiments needs careful analysis, NOT that it&#039;s no better than phrenology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The point of that research is that proper interpretation of those experiments needs careful analysis, NOT that it&#8217;s no better than phrenology.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1397617</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The California Real Estate exam never throws out a question.  So they still have old questions with wrong answers.  Which may show up on your exam along with the new question on the same subject with the new, correct answer.  The way that you prep for the exam is by rote memorization of 1,500 questions and answers.  Yay licensing scams!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The California Real Estate exam never throws out a question.  So they still have old questions with wrong answers.  Which may show up on your exam along with the new question on the same subject with the new, correct answer.  The way that you prep for the exam is by rote memorization of 1,500 questions and answers.  Yay licensing scams!</p>
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		<title>By: chgoliz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/17/florida-standardized-science-t.html#comment-1397607</link>
		<dc:creator>chgoliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  Just yesterday I told my youngest &quot;if I - as an intelligent, well-educated adult - cannot figure out which multiple-choice option a 4th grade workbook is looking for as the right answer, then the question is not well written.&quot;  I&#039;ve had issues with that particular workbook all year.  To their credit, the kids in that class all recognize its educational weakness as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Just yesterday I told my youngest &#8220;if I &#8211; as an intelligent, well-educated adult &#8211; cannot figure out which multiple-choice option a 4th grade workbook is looking for as the right answer, then the question is not well written.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve had issues with that particular workbook all year.  To their credit, the kids in that class all recognize its educational weakness as well.</p>
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		<title>By: suburbanhick</title>
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		<dc:creator>suburbanhick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All standardized tests are a disaster. Unless you&#039;re aiming for enforced mediocrity, that is: in which case, they&#039;re the gold standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All standardized tests are a disaster. Unless you&#8217;re aiming for enforced mediocrity, that is: in which case, they&#8217;re the gold standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Well, um, yes, except that fMRI is the modern equivalent of phrenology. 
See:
http://lawandbiosciences.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/what-a-dead-salmon-reminds-us-about-fmri-analysis/ 
Statistics? how the f*** does it work? Sadly, the neuroscience community isn&#039;t much better than orangutangs, or even Ed.Ds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Well, um, yes, except that fMRI is the modern equivalent of phrenology.<br />
See:<br />
<a href="http://lawandbiosciences.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/what-a-dead-salmon-reminds-us-about-fmri-analysis/" rel="nofollow">http://lawandbiosciences.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/what-a-dead-salmon-reminds-us-about-fmri-analysis/</a><br />
Statistics? how the f*** does it work? Sadly, the neuroscience community isn&#8217;t much better than orangutangs, or even Ed.Ds.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If knowing more and being smarter could lead &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; students to select &quot;incorrect&quot; answers, the test questions are flawed. Yes, those students exist. I was one. I know many others. Contrary to popular belief, kids - particularly smart kids - learn a great deal that they weren&#039;t taught in class. For many of them &lt;i&gt; nearly all&lt;/i&gt; of their learning comes from outside school.

Asking whether this affects the scores of most students is begging the questions of: &quot;are the questions valid in the first place?&quot; and &quot;does the test accurately measure the knowledge it purports to measure?&quot; If not, then corporal punishment is in order for the administrators and developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If knowing more and being smarter could lead <i>any</i> students to select &#8220;incorrect&#8221; answers, the test questions are flawed. Yes, those students exist. I was one. I know many others. Contrary to popular belief, kids &#8211; particularly smart kids &#8211; learn a great deal that they weren&#8217;t taught in class. For many of them <i> nearly all</i> of their learning comes from outside school.</p>
<p>Asking whether this affects the scores of most students is begging the questions of: &#8220;are the questions valid in the first place?&#8221; and &#8220;does the test accurately measure the knowledge it purports to measure?&#8221; If not, then corporal punishment is in order for the administrators and developers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lemoutan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lemoutan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t this all just mean they&#039;ve got it right? Is my understanding correct - that the worse the school performs on the test, the less funding they get? If so, then the schools who get higher scores because they actually understand less science will get the funding they need to better understand the scientific method. Then they&#039;ll perform worse, because they&#039;re better at science and so don&#039;t need the funding any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t this all just mean they&#8217;ve got it right? Is my understanding correct &#8211; that the worse the school performs on the test, the less funding they get? If so, then the schools who get higher scores because they actually understand less science will get the funding they need to better understand the scientific method. Then they&#8217;ll perform worse, because they&#8217;re better at science and so don&#8217;t need the funding any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Tribune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tribune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Multiple choice exams are very difficult and time consuming to compose. The advantage is in the ease of administering to a large number of people and rapid results. 

However it appears some idiots believe this is not the case and that they should be prepared without thought or review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Multiple choice exams are very difficult and time consuming to compose. The advantage is in the ease of administering to a large number of people and rapid results. </p>
<p>However it appears some idiots believe this is not the case and that they should be prepared without thought or review.</p>
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