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	<title>Comments on: Megaupload founder will likely never go to trial, says US&#160;judge</title>
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		<title>By: steveboyett</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1403313</link>
		<dc:creator>steveboyett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly what the US does&lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; lack is the power to irreparably destroy a business and create a cascade effect among similar businesses in order to further its own archaic and corporate-funded agenda. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly what the US does<i>not</i> lack is the power to irreparably destroy a business and create a cascade effect among similar businesses in order to further its own archaic and corporate-funded agenda. </p>
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		<title>By: lafave</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402782</link>
		<dc:creator>lafave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it&#039;s arguable whether even US law was violated here.  MU hired some of the best IP law firms who told them what they did was legal (and can cite case law to support their opinions).   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it&#8217;s arguable whether even US law was violated here.  MU hired some of the best IP law firms who told them what they did was legal (and can cite case law to support their opinions).   </p>
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		<title>By: JonS</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402387</link>
		<dc:creator>JonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[OT] Why are people making out that Kim and Megaupload are like Robin Hood and his Merry Men? They are not.&quot;

The word &#039;they&#039; in that sentence is a bit ambiguous. I suspect you mean it to refer to Kim .com &amp; MU not being merry men. 

They rest of us are reading it as the people supposedly sticking up for Kim .com &amp; MU.

The second interpretation will help you understand why you&#039;re getting a pile on. no one is particularly defending Kim .com and MU as the kind of person one would like their daughter to bring home after a date, and your repeated attempts to imply that is the case is a rather feeble strawman.

For the record: 
Kim .com is a douche. 
Kim .com has comitted various crimes and misdemeanors in the past.
MU was used by users for infringing behaviour.

However:
To date everyone using MU has lost everything they had stored there.
Not everyone using MU was using it to infringe.
A lot of the material seized - and under imminent risk of deletion - was NOT infringing material. In fact, the only material that is not at imminent risk is a selected portion which supposedly shows infringing behavour. In a few days time it could be literally true that &quot;all material on MU servers is infringing material (because we deleted all the other stuff)&quot; 
In this particular case Kim .com and MU had done nothing wrong - or ilegal - in the relevant jurisdiction.

&quot;We had to burn the village down to save it&quot; has never been a very sound justificaiton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[OT] Why are people making out that Kim and Megaupload are like Robin Hood and his Merry Men? They are not.&#8221;</p>
<p>The word &#8216;they&#8217; in that sentence is a bit ambiguous. I suspect you mean it to refer to Kim .com &amp; MU not being merry men. </p>
<p>They rest of us are reading it as the people supposedly sticking up for Kim .com &amp; MU.</p>
<p>The second interpretation will help you understand why you&#8217;re getting a pile on. no one is particularly defending Kim .com and MU as the kind of person one would like their daughter to bring home after a date, and your repeated attempts to imply that is the case is a rather feeble strawman.</p>
<p>For the record:<br />
Kim .com is a douche.<br />
Kim .com has comitted various crimes and misdemeanors in the past.<br />
MU was used by users for infringing behaviour.</p>
<p>However:<br />
To date everyone using MU has lost everything they had stored there.<br />
Not everyone using MU was using it to infringe.<br />
A lot of the material seized &#8211; and under imminent risk of deletion &#8211; was NOT infringing material. In fact, the only material that is not at imminent risk is a selected portion which supposedly shows infringing behavour. In a few days time it could be literally true that &#8220;all material on MU servers is infringing material (because we deleted all the other stuff)&#8221; <br />
In this particular case Kim .com and MU had done nothing wrong &#8211; or ilegal &#8211; in the relevant jurisdiction.</p>
<p>&#8220;We had to burn the village down to save it&#8221; has never been a very sound justificaiton.</p>
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		<title>By: Alpacaman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402353</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpacaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The negotiations give the US all the leverage they could possibly need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The negotiations give the US all the leverage they could possibly need.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402284</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that it might have more to do with China&#039;s recent decision that their territorial waters extend to the middle of Nebraska.  Australia&#039;s certainly gotten extra-chummy with the US lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that it might have more to do with China&#8217;s recent decision that their territorial waters extend to the middle of Nebraska.  Australia&#8217;s certainly gotten extra-chummy with the US lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Yacko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402264</link>
		<dc:creator>Yacko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lawsuit would not be against NZ authorities, but perhaps the tangled web of the US request. If Dotcom gets his money back, he might have the juice to pursue this breach of international law. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lawsuit would not be against NZ authorities, but perhaps the tangled web of the US request. If Dotcom gets his money back, he might have the juice to pursue this breach of international law. </p>
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		<title>By: loroferoz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402144</link>
		<dc:creator>loroferoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This could turn into a full-blown admission of guilt, by the U.S. government...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could turn into a full-blown admission of guilt, by the U.S. government&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: miasm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402075</link>
		<dc:creator>miasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh, so, no legally obtained warrant but you say you do have tactical-nuclear, Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles and the ability to crush our country&#039;s economy... hmmm. let me just check with the boss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh, so, no legally obtained warrant but you say you do have tactical-nuclear, Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles and the ability to crush our country&#8217;s economy&#8230; hmmm. let me just check with the boss.</p>
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		<title>By: auralee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402072</link>
		<dc:creator>auralee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jurisdictional law exists for substantive reasons, too.
Wikileaks has yet to be charged with any violation of any law of any nation on earth; yet it&#039;s been effectively destroyed.  
Legal technicalities are now all that&#039;s keeping Assange from either 1) a trial in which the death penalty is a possible outcome or 2) indefinite detention, if the U.S. isn&#039;t sure they can win at trial (Manning was imprisoned for two years without even being charged, despite continuous public outcry, much of that time under conditions amounting to torture).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jurisdictional law exists for substantive reasons, too.<br />
Wikileaks has yet to be charged with any violation of any law of any nation on earth; yet it&#8217;s been effectively destroyed. <br />
Legal technicalities are now all that&#8217;s keeping Assange from either 1) a trial in which the death penalty is a possible outcome or 2) indefinite detention, if the U.S. isn&#8217;t sure they can win at trial (Manning was imprisoned for two years without even being charged, despite continuous public outcry, much of that time under conditions amounting to torture).</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402063</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smugness. Remind me! Is that a theological virtue or a sin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smugness. Remind me! Is that a theological virtue or a sin?</p>
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		<title>By: AlexG55</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402060</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexG55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orbit&#039;s better- can&#039;t shut you down without risking Kessler Syndrome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orbit&#8217;s better- can&#8217;t shut you down without risking Kessler Syndrome.</p>
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		<title>By: onereader</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402030</link>
		<dc:creator>onereader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck proving it when you&#039;re homeless because they took away all you own before the trial. If there is a trial. If they don&#039;t just arbitrarily keep you in jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck proving it when you&#8217;re homeless because they took away all you own before the trial. If there is a trial. If they don&#8217;t just arbitrarily keep you in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: annoyingmouse</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402026</link>
		<dc:creator>annoyingmouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, me again.  Can I just state here that after reading my above comment again that I think that &quot;I am not Concisemouse&quot; is a great name for a band or album (or, obviously, tumblr if you read the right comics and let&#039;s face it, you do).  You can have that one on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, me again.  Can I just state here that after reading my above comment again that I think that &#8220;I am not Concisemouse&#8221; is a great name for a band or album (or, obviously, tumblr if you read the right comics and let&#8217;s face it, you do).  You can have that one on me.</p>
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		<title>By: annoyingmouse</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402025</link>
		<dc:creator>annoyingmouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(OK I&#039;ll try to keep this short and to the point since I&#039;m clearly not going to be able to explain my original query)

Wow.  I quite genuinely completely agree with everything you are saying and thus I&#039;m astonished that it is being used to disagree with me since I stated &quot;I didn&#039;t remotely mean in the criminal justice sense&quot;.  I never at any point said that they don&#039;t deserve due process  (see: &quot;they should have the right to defend their company in court&quot;) and  I also never said that the staff deserved to lose their jobs.  I also stated, I feel quite clearly, in both posts that I don&#039;t agree with how the US have interfered in this matter.  How my comment is being interpreted as support for &quot;inverted totalitarianism&quot; I don&#039;t know.  So as such I&#039;ll just say sorry again and clarify two points I&#039;ll take from this:

1) I should have said &quot;OFF TOPIC&quot; at the start of the original comment and from now on I&#039;ll remember on the internet that unless my comment is strictly referring to the exact content of the original post I shouldn&#039;t meander off into only slightly related subjects questioning some of the people involved.

2) I never should have used the word &quot;defend&quot; as in my &quot;worth defending&quot; comment since clearly there is only one possible interpretation of that word and that is strictly with regards to legal connotations.  Obviously if I asked &quot;Why is fish flavoured ice cream worth defending?&quot; I mean that anyone who likes fish flavoured ice cream deserves to be arrested, put in prison and not be allowed any contact with the justice system.

Sorry for the sarcasm.  (Bloody record store day yesterday has made me tired)

Maybe I would have been better to just have stuck to purely mythical* based questions and posted this:

&quot;[OT] Why are people making out that Kim and Megaupload are like Robin Hood and his Merry Men? They are not.&quot;

Sorry again. Clearly short and to the point didn&#039;t work after my fingers hit the keys.  I am not Concisemouse.

(*I say &quot;mythical&quot; because, whilst we&#039;re being completely specific here, you might have thought that I meant the hypothetical Robin Hood comment &quot;historically&quot; and, of course, in reality John signed the Magna Carta and I wouldn&#039;t want people to think that my comment meant that I didn&#039;t agree with habeas corpus) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(OK I&#8217;ll try to keep this short and to the point since I&#8217;m clearly not going to be able to explain my original query)</p>
<p>Wow.  I quite genuinely completely agree with everything you are saying and thus I&#8217;m astonished that it is being used to disagree with me since I stated &#8220;I didn&#8217;t remotely mean in the criminal justice sense&#8221;.  I never at any point said that they don&#8217;t deserve due process  (see: &#8220;they should have the right to defend their company in court&#8221;) and  I also never said that the staff deserved to lose their jobs.  I also stated, I feel quite clearly, in both posts that I don&#8217;t agree with how the US have interfered in this matter.  How my comment is being interpreted as support for &#8220;inverted totalitarianism&#8221; I don&#8217;t know.  So as such I&#8217;ll just say sorry again and clarify two points I&#8217;ll take from this:</p>
<p>1) I should have said &#8220;OFF TOPIC&#8221; at the start of the original comment and from now on I&#8217;ll remember on the internet that unless my comment is strictly referring to the exact content of the original post I shouldn&#8217;t meander off into only slightly related subjects questioning some of the people involved.</p>
<p>2) I never should have used the word &#8220;defend&#8221; as in my &#8220;worth defending&#8221; comment since clearly there is only one possible interpretation of that word and that is strictly with regards to legal connotations.  Obviously if I asked &#8220;Why is fish flavoured ice cream worth defending?&#8221; I mean that anyone who likes fish flavoured ice cream deserves to be arrested, put in prison and not be allowed any contact with the justice system.</p>
<p>Sorry for the sarcasm.  (Bloody record store day yesterday has made me tired)</p>
<p>Maybe I would have been better to just have stuck to purely mythical* based questions and posted this:</p>
<p>&#8220;[OT] Why are people making out that Kim and Megaupload are like Robin Hood and his Merry Men? They are not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry again. Clearly short and to the point didn&#8217;t work after my fingers hit the keys.  I am not Concisemouse.</p>
<p>(*I say &#8220;mythical&#8221; because, whilst we&#8217;re being completely specific here, you might have thought that I meant the hypothetical Robin Hood comment &#8220;historically&#8221; and, of course, in reality John signed the Magna Carta and I wouldn&#8217;t want people to think that my comment meant that I didn&#8217;t agree with habeas corpus) </p>
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		<title>By: Sirkowski</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1402018</link>
		<dc:creator>Sirkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a money laundering crook, so I&#039;m not paranoid.</description>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401996</link>
		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 08:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There could be no problem with that at all...  I mean its not like we have a former RIAA lobbyist as a sitting judge now making rulings in mass john doe torrent cases, saying crazy things like the Doe&#039;s have no right to try and stop the release of their personal information to a company who will not take them to court and just wants to  harrass them into paying money all based on a single IP address.... oh wait... we do. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There could be no problem with that at all&#8230;  I mean its not like we have a former RIAA lobbyist as a sitting judge now making rulings in mass john doe torrent cases, saying crazy things like the Doe&#8217;s have no right to try and stop the release of their personal information to a company who will not take them to court and just wants to  harrass them into paying money all based on a single IP address&#8230;. oh wait&#8230; we do. </p>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401991</link>
		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you can prove malice in their actions.
The lawyer who brought the indictment had a job prior to this one... BSA lawyer.
If they violate the law so spectacularly they could get stripped of the immunity, because they violated the office they hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you can prove malice in their actions.<br />
The lawyer who brought the indictment had a job prior to this one&#8230; BSA lawyer.<br />
If they violate the law so spectacularly they could get stripped of the immunity, because they violated the office they hold.</p>
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		<title>By: apocalyptic_akai_tsuki_no_sora</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401969</link>
		<dc:creator>apocalyptic_akai_tsuki_no_sora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 06:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn you USA, just hurry up and give up a fair trial already! We do not want to repeat    Stalin&#039;s atrocities. Rise 12 million strong show America that Megaupload&#039;s shutdown was an act of injustice done by the USA. This Megaupload Shutdown after SOPA burial was not a coincidence, it was a set up done by Hollywood and MPAA as a way for ends to meet. The forces of Voltaire, Beccaria, and Hugo Grotius shall side with Kim with his battle against Machiavelli and tyranny. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn you USA, just hurry up and give up a fair trial already! We do not want to repeat    Stalin&#8217;s atrocities. Rise 12 million strong show America that Megaupload&#8217;s shutdown was an act of injustice done by the USA. This Megaupload Shutdown after SOPA burial was not a coincidence, it was a set up done by Hollywood and MPAA as a way for ends to meet. The forces of Voltaire, Beccaria, and Hugo Grotius shall side with Kim with his battle against Machiavelli and tyranny. </p>
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		<title>By: Sasha@librtee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401957</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha@librtee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 05:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One has been gunned down in a dark alley with no trial.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Vincent</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401932</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> You, sir, win the internet this day. You very nicely summed up the problem with this case. Next time someone buys you a beer, imagine it&#039;s from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You, sir, win the internet this day. You very nicely summed up the problem with this case. Next time someone buys you a beer, imagine it&#8217;s from me.</p>
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		<title>By: YanquiFrank</title>
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		<dc:creator>YanquiFrank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not about whether this dude and his company are &quot;legitimate and noble&quot;. Its a question of due process:  did he commit any crimes and if so, there is a process that must be followed to ensure that these crimes are provable and that he is actually guilty.  The judicial system exists for this reason.  By destroying his business prior to his guilt being proven in a court of law, he suffered destruction by a police squad that acted as judge, jury and executioner.  In effect, the accusation was the final determination of guilt, and punishment was immediate.  

Imagine if, after BP destroyed the Gulf of Mexico, rumors came out that they were criminally negligent in cutting corners which led directly to the disaster.  If the government had, at that point, taken possession of every asset that BP owns worldwide, fired all of their employees, essentially destroying the company, it would have been equivalent to what happened in this case.  BP would, of course, demand a trial before the rumors could be taken as fact, and would demand that restitution be in some way proportional to the damage caused.  Of course, because BP has powerful friends it did not suffer anything remotely like this and has, in fact, been forced to pay a puny $20 billion to cover all of the damages caused by the spill.  I say its puny because destroying the Gulf and all of the livelihoods that depend on it, not to mention a priceless and massive ecosystem, is, well, priceless.  Even if BP had been forced to pay all of its future profits for the next 50 years it would not fix the problems it caused.  Yet BP still exists, and hasn&#039;t even been forced to change its business practices, let alone face criminal prosecution of any kind for its criminal acts.  

The world you are defending is one where might makes right, there is no such thing as justice, and government can and will take anything they want from anyone they feel like it, on the merest unproven assertion that crimes were committed.  Its called inverted totalitarianism.  

Its totalitarianism because the people have no rights and there is no law that will protect you from government abuse, destruction of livelihood and even murder.  Its inverted because the government is the lapdog of powerful private interests and exists to do their bidding.  This is, in fact, the current system in the USA, and has led directly to acts like the Megaupload travesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not about whether this dude and his company are &#8220;legitimate and noble&#8221;. Its a question of due process:  did he commit any crimes and if so, there is a process that must be followed to ensure that these crimes are provable and that he is actually guilty.  The judicial system exists for this reason.  By destroying his business prior to his guilt being proven in a court of law, he suffered destruction by a police squad that acted as judge, jury and executioner.  In effect, the accusation was the final determination of guilt, and punishment was immediate.  </p>
<p>Imagine if, after BP destroyed the Gulf of Mexico, rumors came out that they were criminally negligent in cutting corners which led directly to the disaster.  If the government had, at that point, taken possession of every asset that BP owns worldwide, fired all of their employees, essentially destroying the company, it would have been equivalent to what happened in this case.  BP would, of course, demand a trial before the rumors could be taken as fact, and would demand that restitution be in some way proportional to the damage caused.  Of course, because BP has powerful friends it did not suffer anything remotely like this and has, in fact, been forced to pay a puny $20 billion to cover all of the damages caused by the spill.  I say its puny because destroying the Gulf and all of the livelihoods that depend on it, not to mention a priceless and massive ecosystem, is, well, priceless.  Even if BP had been forced to pay all of its future profits for the next 50 years it would not fix the problems it caused.  Yet BP still exists, and hasn&#8217;t even been forced to change its business practices, let alone face criminal prosecution of any kind for its criminal acts.  </p>
<p>The world you are defending is one where might makes right, there is no such thing as justice, and government can and will take anything they want from anyone they feel like it, on the merest unproven assertion that crimes were committed.  Its called inverted totalitarianism.  </p>
<p>Its totalitarianism because the people have no rights and there is no law that will protect you from government abuse, destruction of livelihood and even murder.  Its inverted because the government is the lapdog of powerful private interests and exists to do their bidding.  This is, in fact, the current system in the USA, and has led directly to acts like the Megaupload travesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401900</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American who loves his country deeply.


I salute you for words that need to be said. Constantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American who loves his country deeply.</p>
<p>I salute you for words that need to be said. Constantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Vincent</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401861</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Regardless of how you feel about the people who were using MU for infringing activities, the precedent set by the DOJ&#039;s actions should scare the bejeebers out of anyone who&#039;s paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Regardless of how you feel about the people who were using MU for infringing activities, the precedent set by the DOJ&#8217;s actions should scare the bejeebers out of anyone who&#8217;s paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Bardwell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401859</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Bardwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes, yes. You may not like Kim Dotcom one bit. But you damn sure should be standing up and shouting to the roof tops about a &quot;legal process&quot; that allows the government to do to a person what they have done to Dotcom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, yes. You may not like Kim Dotcom one bit. But you damn sure should be standing up and shouting to the roof tops about a &#8220;legal process&#8221; that allows the government to do to a person what they have done to Dotcom.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401844</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a huge difference between secret TPP negotiations and a SWAT raid and arrest.</description>
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		<title>By: Manuel Smirnoff</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401811</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel Smirnoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Amerikan, I look forward to welcoming NZ as the most beautiful of the 51 United States.</description>
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		<title>By: Alpacaman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401808</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpacaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The larger part of NZ is politcally apathetic, and thanks to our biased media most really couldn&#039;t care less about Dotcom. And I am not sure our collusion with the US was done entirely willingly on our behalf - we are, after all, an export based economy that could benefit out of any scraps the US government has lying around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The larger part of NZ is politcally apathetic, and thanks to our biased media most really couldn&#8217;t care less about Dotcom. And I am not sure our collusion with the US was done entirely willingly on our behalf &#8211; we are, after all, an export based economy that could benefit out of any scraps the US government has lying around.</p>
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		<title>By: Alpacaman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401801</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpacaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They already knew that of NZ, our government has been in (secret) negotiations with the US over the TPP for quite some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They already knew that of NZ, our government has been in (secret) negotiations with the US over the TPP for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: notmiki</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401798</link>
		<dc:creator>notmiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me try to clarify something here.  A lot of comments seem to take the position that this is an overreach by the US because  MegaUpload didn&#039;t violate US law.  Not true.  MegaUpload certainly did.  All sorts of activities committed in foreign countries are violations of US law, and it&#039;s hardly an overreach for the US to criminalize behavior that is targeted to consequences in the US (by allowing US IPs to download copyrighted material).  For example, say a crime lord in Mexico sends dealers into the US to sell drugs.  Should the US be able to charge him criminally, even though he&#039;s never stepped foot in the US?  Of course!  I think some commenters are condemning the idea of US law reaching beyond the border because they don&#039;t like the substance of the law.  If you don&#039;t like the substance of the law, just say so.  Don&#039;t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Anyway, the US has the authority under US law to charge MegaUpload criminally.  What it lacks is the power, as a PRACTICAL matter, to follow through with it.  That&#039;s what the judge refers to the fact MegaUpload can&#039;t be &quot;served.&quot;  Insufficient service of process is a jurisdictional defect - US courts can&#039;t hear the matter unless the defendant is properly served.  That&#039;s a limit the US legal system puts on itself.  But this defect has nothing at all to do with whether whether MegaUpload broke US law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me try to clarify something here.  A lot of comments seem to take the position that this is an overreach by the US because  MegaUpload didn&#8217;t violate US law.  Not true.  MegaUpload certainly did.  All sorts of activities committed in foreign countries are violations of US law, and it&#8217;s hardly an overreach for the US to criminalize behavior that is targeted to consequences in the US (by allowing US IPs to download copyrighted material).  For example, say a crime lord in Mexico sends dealers into the US to sell drugs.  Should the US be able to charge him criminally, even though he&#8217;s never stepped foot in the US?  Of course!  I think some commenters are condemning the idea of US law reaching beyond the border because they don&#8217;t like the substance of the law.  If you don&#8217;t like the substance of the law, just say so.  Don&#8217;t throw the baby out with the bathwater.</p>
<p>Anyway, the US has the authority under US law to charge MegaUpload criminally.  What it lacks is the power, as a PRACTICAL matter, to follow through with it.  That&#8217;s what the judge refers to the fact MegaUpload can&#8217;t be &#8220;served.&#8221;  Insufficient service of process is a jurisdictional defect &#8211; US courts can&#8217;t hear the matter unless the defendant is properly served.  That&#8217;s a limit the US legal system puts on itself.  But this defect has nothing at all to do with whether whether MegaUpload broke US law.</p>
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		<title>By: howaboutthisdangit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/21/megaupload-founder-will-likely.html#comment-1401792</link>
		<dc:creator>howaboutthisdangit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of trying to get along, the U.S. continues to be the neighborhood bully, and maintains a military which can handle any confrontation, even though it cannot afford the cost.  Perhaps it would be better to stop pushing the points-of-view of its corporations, which claim no allegiance except to next-quarter profits, and try to behave more as a global citizen.  If the bully would go away, there would be no need to maintain such an unsupportable defense.

Of course, the bully can never accept that idea, whether we are talking about The War On Drugs, The War On Terrorism, The War On Poverty, or any other War which gives the powers-that-be an opportunity to dance around common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of trying to get along, the U.S. continues to be the neighborhood bully, and maintains a military which can handle any confrontation, even though it cannot afford the cost.  Perhaps it would be better to stop pushing the points-of-view of its corporations, which claim no allegiance except to next-quarter profits, and try to behave more as a global citizen.  If the bully would go away, there would be no need to maintain such an unsupportable defense.</p>
<p>Of course, the bully can never accept that idea, whether we are talking about The War On Drugs, The War On Terrorism, The War On Poverty, or any other War which gives the powers-that-be an opportunity to dance around common sense.</p>
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