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	<title>Comments on: TSA agents harass 7-year-old girl with cerebral palsy and developmental&#160;disability</title>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html#comment-1408356</link>
		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are used as weapons only when passengers and pilots are taught to not resist.  Try using an airplane as a bomb again and  the passengers instantly riot and kill the hijackers. Even if the hijackers managed to get a weapon on that could kill 100+ people and not destroy the plane, the hijacker would then find themselves dead once again as the pilot displays how violently he can throw people in the cabin around.  Even if by some magic the hijacker fought through the entire passenger list, found a way to open the reinforced door, and got into the cabin, the hijacker is STILL fucked.  The pilot is going to make it his dying breath to kick the plan into a suicide dive which will toss the hijacker off and render it useless as a weapon.

Also, stop being such a fucking coward.  Airplanes are not going to fall on your god damn head.  You are going to die of heart disease or cancer.  Maybe if you are very lucky, you will die of something exciting, like a car accident.  The fucking terrorist are not going to kill.  Your fat American ass is going to die of something boring and mundane in a hospital bed with a catheter shoved up your dick.

Your coward delusion that you are going to die anything but a boring and normal death isn&#039;t a reason why I should have to give up my liberty.  Afraid of airplanes hitting you on the head, go live out in the countryside.  Even a coward must realize that the terrorist are not going to steal a 747 to hit your shitty cabin in the woods.

Cowards don&#039;t get to set the standards by which we live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are used as weapons only when passengers and pilots are taught to not resist.  Try using an airplane as a bomb again and  the passengers instantly riot and kill the hijackers. Even if the hijackers managed to get a weapon on that could kill 100+ people and not destroy the plane, the hijacker would then find themselves dead once again as the pilot displays how violently he can throw people in the cabin around.  Even if by some magic the hijacker fought through the entire passenger list, found a way to open the reinforced door, and got into the cabin, the hijacker is STILL fucked.  The pilot is going to make it his dying breath to kick the plan into a suicide dive which will toss the hijacker off and render it useless as a weapon.</p>
<p>Also, stop being such a fucking coward.  Airplanes are not going to fall on your god damn head.  You are going to die of heart disease or cancer.  Maybe if you are very lucky, you will die of something exciting, like a car accident.  The fucking terrorist are not going to kill.  Your fat American ass is going to die of something boring and mundane in a hospital bed with a catheter shoved up your dick.</p>
<p>Your coward delusion that you are going to die anything but a boring and normal death isn&#8217;t a reason why I should have to give up my liberty.  Afraid of airplanes hitting you on the head, go live out in the countryside.  Even a coward must realize that the terrorist are not going to steal a 747 to hit your shitty cabin in the woods.</p>
<p>Cowards don&#8217;t get to set the standards by which we live.</p>
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		<title>By: hostile_17</title>
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		<dc:creator>hostile_17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That wouldn&#039;t be so bad if plane hijackings didn&#039;t affect everyone else too. But when they are used as weapons...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That wouldn&#8217;t be so bad if plane hijackings didn&#8217;t affect everyone else too. But when they are used as weapons&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html#comment-1408198</link>
		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree.  Calling someone a flat out coward to their face is amazingly successful.  Legitimizing cowardice by pretending like their fears are well founded is what gets the shit we have today.  I have taken the &quot;you are a god damn coward, get off my plane&quot; argument out and about and found that it pretty much convinces everyone from hippy leftist to religious conservative nuts.

It strikes a cord because it lays out the truth of the matter in stark terms.  Are you afraid of one of the most rare ways to die (while you stuff a Big Mac in your face)  and want to give up your liberty over your stupid and childish fears, or do  you want to see this system dismantled?  I have yet to see a person survive a few minutes of arguing for cowardice before conceding.

No, tactful drawn is the method used when you have already surrendered and decided to treat people like scared children.  Calling people cowards to their face is the method to restore sanity.  If it becomes a common meme that people who want this kind of bullshit security are cowards, I think you could see this crap dismantled shockingly quick.  

Save the &#039;tactful draw down&#039; bullshit for asshole politicians.  It is 10+ years since 9/11 and security has only gotten stupider.  As a citizen, it is your responsibility to help be the change by being loud and vocal.  If you pass along the idea that only cowards will piss themselves in terror unless they get a good thorough &quot;freedom fondle&quot; before boarding an airplane to just a handful of people, and they do the same, it can effect a massive change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.  Calling someone a flat out coward to their face is amazingly successful.  Legitimizing cowardice by pretending like their fears are well founded is what gets the shit we have today.  I have taken the &#8220;you are a god damn coward, get off my plane&#8221; argument out and about and found that it pretty much convinces everyone from hippy leftist to religious conservative nuts.</p>
<p>It strikes a cord because it lays out the truth of the matter in stark terms.  Are you afraid of one of the most rare ways to die (while you stuff a Big Mac in your face)  and want to give up your liberty over your stupid and childish fears, or do  you want to see this system dismantled?  I have yet to see a person survive a few minutes of arguing for cowardice before conceding.</p>
<p>No, tactful drawn is the method used when you have already surrendered and decided to treat people like scared children.  Calling people cowards to their face is the method to restore sanity.  If it becomes a common meme that people who want this kind of bullshit security are cowards, I think you could see this crap dismantled shockingly quick.  </p>
<p>Save the &#8216;tactful draw down&#8217; bullshit for asshole politicians.  It is 10+ years since 9/11 and security has only gotten stupider.  As a citizen, it is your responsibility to help be the change by being loud and vocal.  If you pass along the idea that only cowards will piss themselves in terror unless they get a good thorough &#8220;freedom fondle&#8221; before boarding an airplane to just a handful of people, and they do the same, it can effect a massive change.</p>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html#comment-1408179</link>
		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh!  I have a better idea.  If you are such a fucking coward that the thought of a one in a few million chance that your airplane might get blown up by the &quot;scary&quot; terrorist causes you to piss yourself in terror, don&#039;t fly.  

We have this entire thing backwards.  We shouldn&#039;t be fucking the entire population because a few people are chicken shit assholes afraid of a method of dying that ranks right up there with shark attacks.  We should be telling the cowards to suck it up or not fly, not telling everyone else to bend over to accept freedom fondles and robbing the tax coffers to pay for cowards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh!  I have a better idea.  If you are such a fucking coward that the thought of a one in a few million chance that your airplane might get blown up by the &#8220;scary&#8221; terrorist causes you to piss yourself in terror, don&#8217;t fly.  </p>
<p>We have this entire thing backwards.  We shouldn&#8217;t be fucking the entire population because a few people are chicken shit assholes afraid of a method of dying that ranks right up there with shark attacks.  We should be telling the cowards to suck it up or not fly, not telling everyone else to bend over to accept freedom fondles and robbing the tax coffers to pay for cowards.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html#comment-1407179</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing stands out to me in the TD artile: One hour after letting them leave for the gate &quot;agents reappeared with a manager to tell them that proper protocol had not been followed, and that Dina had to be screened after all&quot;.

Surely they need to search *everyone she may have come in contact with* after passing through security if they want to maintain the illusion of knowing what they do.

No manners, no brains, no security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing stands out to me in the TD artile: One hour after letting them leave for the gate &#8220;agents reappeared with a manager to tell them that proper protocol had not been followed, and that Dina had to be screened after all&#8221;.</p>
<p>Surely they need to search *everyone she may have come in contact with* after passing through security if they want to maintain the illusion of knowing what they do.</p>
<p>No manners, no brains, no security.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just think when people narrow the argument to &quot;look at them violating the reasonable expectation of rights for this tearjerker case!&quot; it misses the point that the tearjerker cases aren&#039;t SPECIAL, they are trampling everyone&#039;s rights.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just think when people narrow the argument to &#8220;look at them violating the reasonable expectation of rights for this tearjerker case!&#8221; it misses the point that the tearjerker cases aren&#8217;t SPECIAL, they are trampling everyone&#8217;s rights.  </p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html#comment-1407134</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the unabated continuance of the travesty that is the TSA, folks around here face an unfortunate lack of apologists to vent their spleen on... ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the unabated continuance of the travesty that is the TSA, folks around here face an unfortunate lack of apologists to vent their spleen on&#8230; ; )</p>
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		<title>By: TharkLord</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html#comment-1406995</link>
		<dc:creator>TharkLord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disband TSA, give the money to NASA. There is no downside to this equation: USA-TSA+NASA=Awesomeness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disband TSA, give the money to NASA. There is no downside to this equation: USA-TSA+NASA=Awesomeness!</p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
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		<dc:creator>foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted, they should be yelling at the parent, but it&#039;s not entirely clear that that wasn&#039;t the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, they should be yelling at the parent, but it&#8217;s not entirely clear that that wasn&#8217;t the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say we just disband the TSA and take our chances. Who&#039;s with me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say we just disband the TSA and take our chances. Who&#8217;s with me?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html#comment-1406181</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attention Google. Please add a TSA abuse tab to &quot;Google News&quot;. Be very handy, and I&#039;m sure would see lots of news items, I mean, it&#039;s every other day at least that you see something here on boing boing.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attention Google. Please add a TSA abuse tab to &#8220;Google News&#8221;. Be very handy, and I&#8217;m sure would see lots of news items, I mean, it&#8217;s every other day at least that you see something here on boing boing.  </p>
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		<title>By: nachoproblem</title>
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		<dc:creator>nachoproblem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree in spirit but the analogy doesn&#039;t work. Whatever the situation resembles superficially, the logistics are completely different. You can&#039;t hide a Heinkel He 111 in a child&#039;s underpants, even theoretically.

You would have to look at something like, say, how the British security forces were about enforcing blackouts during a raid, or maybe evacuation procedures. I don&#039;t know.

My point is that you have to make some comparison of how the security forces tried to address the potential &quot;Enemy&quot; within the actual citizenry. I still don&#039;t see much potential for a good analogy there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree in spirit but the analogy doesn&#8217;t work. Whatever the situation resembles superficially, the logistics are completely different. You can&#8217;t hide a Heinkel He 111 in a child&#8217;s underpants, even theoretically.</p>
<p>You would have to look at something like, say, how the British security forces were about enforcing blackouts during a raid, or maybe evacuation procedures. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>My point is that you have to make some comparison of how the security forces tried to address the potential &#8220;Enemy&#8221; within the actual citizenry. I still don&#8217;t see much potential for a good analogy there.</p>
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		<title>By: Shinkuhadoken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shinkuhadoken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they just need to be reminded how brave they used to be.</description>
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		<title>By: Felton / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felton / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so weird.  Posting duplicate comments on multiple threads is against our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/01/commenting.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment policy&lt;/a&gt;, and I didn&#039;t want to leave the long sub-thread of comments referring to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so weird.  Posting duplicate comments on multiple threads is against our <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/01/commenting.html" rel="nofollow">comment policy</a>, and I didn&#8217;t want to leave the long sub-thread of comments referring to that.</p>
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		<title>By: buenasolas</title>
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		<dc:creator>buenasolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, but I don&#039;t know that the UK is the greatest example to use in this day and age given that pretty much the entire nation is on CCTV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, but I don&#8217;t know that the UK is the greatest example to use in this day and age given that pretty much the entire nation is on CCTV</p>
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		<title>By: Hobozombie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobozombie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mister44:disqus  Yeah, I was not defending the TSA, more defending copypasta. The TSA is a waste of money and a dangerous eroder (is that a word? It is now) of personal liberties. 

 But it seems that everything has been removed. 

Weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mister44:disqus  Yeah, I was not defending the TSA, more defending copypasta. The TSA is a waste of money and a dangerous eroder (is that a word? It is now) of personal liberties. </p>
<p> But it seems that everything has been removed. </p>
<p>Weird.</p>
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		<title>By: buenasolas</title>
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		<dc:creator>buenasolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be real, he&#039;s a joke of a senator</description>
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		<title>By: Shinkuhadoken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shinkuhadoken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the Blitzkrieg, London was carpet bombed. Every night. Relentlessly. For weeks.

And yet somehow Britain didn&#039;t devolve into having the government inspect its children&#039;s genitals for explosives. Ending the TSA is not so much asking people to accept more risk as it is scaling back the insane paranoia that &quot;protects&quot; freedom by obliterating it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the Blitzkrieg, London was carpet bombed. Every night. Relentlessly. For weeks.</p>
<p>And yet somehow Britain didn&#8217;t devolve into having the government inspect its children&#8217;s genitals for explosives. Ending the TSA is not so much asking people to accept more risk as it is scaling back the insane paranoia that &#8220;protects&#8221; freedom by obliterating it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;the same security procedure everyone else has to go through&quot; &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; abuse. 
But the conduct of the screening in these cases also broke TSA policies- the TSA&#039;s own policies state: 
&quot;Know that at no time during the screening process will you be separated from your child.&quot;
&quot;Know that if a private screening is required, you should escort and remain with your child during the private screening process.&quot; (relevant to the 4-year old&#039;s case)
&quot;Inform the Security Officer if you think the child may become upset 
during the screening process as a result of their disability.&quot;
&quot;Offer suggestions on how to best accomplish the screening to minimize any confusion or outburst for the child.&quot; 

Never under any circumstances is it OK for a TSA agent to scream and curse at a parent for documenting the TSAs bad conduct. Nor is it OK to pass a family through screening, then wait an hour, then claim they need to be screened again, causing them to miss their flight.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;the same security procedure everyone else has to go through&#8221; <i>is</i> abuse.<br />
But the conduct of the screening in these cases also broke TSA policies- the TSA&#8217;s own policies state:<br />
&#8220;Know that at no time during the screening process will you be separated from your child.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Know that if a private screening is required, you should escort and remain with your child during the private screening process.&#8221; (relevant to the 4-year old&#8217;s case)<br />
&#8220;Inform the Security Officer if you think the child may become upset<br />
during the screening process as a result of their disability.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Offer suggestions on how to best accomplish the screening to minimize any confusion or outburst for the child.&#8221; </p>
<p>Never under any circumstances is it OK for a TSA agent to scream and curse at a parent for documenting the TSAs bad conduct. Nor is it OK to pass a family through screening, then wait an hour, then claim they need to be screened again, causing them to miss their flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Guyll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Guyll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as I have your vote, what do I care?</description>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing?  I guess you can&#039;t possibly put enough disclaimers in a comment (&quot;I think the TSA is a waste of money with poor ethics &amp; poor practices,&quot; or &quot;...the TSA is safety theater that doesn&#039;t actually keep us safe&quot;) to keep people on the internet from disagreeing with you.  While actually agreeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing?  I guess you can&#8217;t possibly put enough disclaimers in a comment (&#8220;I think the TSA is a waste of money with poor ethics &amp; poor practices,&#8221; or &#8220;&#8230;the TSA is safety theater that doesn&#8217;t actually keep us safe&#8221;) to keep people on the internet from disagreeing with you.  While actually agreeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa-agents-bully-7-year-old-wi.html#comment-1405986</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m saying is--I agree with you?  Which is why leading with her age &amp; disease is a bad move.  Because the problem is the TSA, on a fundamental level, not the TSA when the TSA hassles young, old or sick people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m saying is&#8211;I agree with you?  Which is why leading with her age &amp; disease is a bad move.  Because the problem is the TSA, on a fundamental level, not the TSA when the TSA hassles young, old or sick people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Congratulations on your restraint. A couple of years ago that sort of post  to which you just replied would have gotten instantly disemvoweled, at least. I&#039;m not sure I could match your moderation in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Congratulations on your restraint. A couple of years ago that sort of post  to which you just replied would have gotten instantly disemvoweled, at least. I&#8217;m not sure I could match your moderation in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: ffabian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ffabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=USian</description>
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		<title>By: hostile_17</title>
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		<dc:creator>hostile_17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use the plane then with realistic expectations. And it&#039;ll probably be fine. Just like you get a bad cop you don&#039;t write off all cops. The same can be said for the TSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use the plane then with realistic expectations. And it&#8217;ll probably be fine. Just like you get a bad cop you don&#8217;t write off all cops. The same can be said for the TSA.</p>
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		<title>By: asterios9</title>
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		<dc:creator>asterios9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, a terrorist might blow up an airplane.  A few hundred people die, and that is all well and sad.&quot;

This is the part that&#039;s more than a little bit hard to sell - essentially &quot;they might bag a few planes, but man up, bitches.&quot;

There are areas where the compromise between preventative measures and risk have been made, but they&#039;ve been *tacit* decisions.  I ride the NYC subways knowing that attacks in Europe have firebombed trains and allegedly multiple plots to do so have been hatched here.  The city has made some efforts to &quot;protect&quot; the trains but they (for the most part) stop short of hassling people and are obviously inadequate to stop an attack.  They&#039;ve dialed back the bag searches and pretty much stopped parading around with machine guns as a &quot;show of force.&quot;   (Big exception is that they surveil all Muslims in the area, but I&#039;m just focusing on acting as a physical goalkeeper in ways analogous to the TSA.)

How did this drawdown happen?  Not by some overt announcement.  No politician asked people to vote for him because he was going to end bag searches.  It just happened.  And yes, New Yorkers decided it was acceptable - nobody&#039;s calling for more security.

That&#039;s how it needs to happen with the TSA.  You are never going to get people to endorse the end of specific tactics - let&#039;s just stop screening shoes, let&#039;s let liquids back on the planes, let&#039;s stop patting people down.  It has to happen quietly, or they have to figure out how to couch changes in a way that sounds like they aren&#039;t increasing risk.

Also, the reforms would have to be *bipartisan*.  That&#039;s another huge factor, the fear of politicians that they are going to get blamed for not preventing the next attack.

So, you are not wrong.  People are cowards.  They are fearful and inordinately so.  BUT explicitly telling them they should accept more risk is a losing argument, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, a terrorist might blow up an airplane.  A few hundred people die, and that is all well and sad.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the part that&#8217;s more than a little bit hard to sell &#8211; essentially &#8220;they might bag a few planes, but man up, bitches.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are areas where the compromise between preventative measures and risk have been made, but they&#8217;ve been *tacit* decisions.  I ride the NYC subways knowing that attacks in Europe have firebombed trains and allegedly multiple plots to do so have been hatched here.  The city has made some efforts to &#8220;protect&#8221; the trains but they (for the most part) stop short of hassling people and are obviously inadequate to stop an attack.  They&#8217;ve dialed back the bag searches and pretty much stopped parading around with machine guns as a &#8220;show of force.&#8221;   (Big exception is that they surveil all Muslims in the area, but I&#8217;m just focusing on acting as a physical goalkeeper in ways analogous to the TSA.)</p>
<p>How did this drawdown happen?  Not by some overt announcement.  No politician asked people to vote for him because he was going to end bag searches.  It just happened.  And yes, New Yorkers decided it was acceptable &#8211; nobody&#8217;s calling for more security.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how it needs to happen with the TSA.  You are never going to get people to endorse the end of specific tactics &#8211; let&#8217;s just stop screening shoes, let&#8217;s let liquids back on the planes, let&#8217;s stop patting people down.  It has to happen quietly, or they have to figure out how to couch changes in a way that sounds like they aren&#8217;t increasing risk.</p>
<p>Also, the reforms would have to be *bipartisan*.  That&#8217;s another huge factor, the fear of politicians that they are going to get blamed for not preventing the next attack.</p>
<p>So, you are not wrong.  People are cowards.  They are fearful and inordinately so.  BUT explicitly telling them they should accept more risk is a losing argument, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Katovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Katovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to date, and live with a person who performed background checks for various government jobs. In addition to all branches of the military,  she did background checks for customs and TSA agents. I was somewhat shocked to learn that the majority of customs and TSA agents are convicted felons. Not to say that people can&#039;t change, but when the TSA was created, the vast majority of applicants were felons, and people who failed various other law enforcement exams.  People who want so badly to be cops, or have any authority, but were deemed too unstable to hold that responsibility, these are your TSA agents. And felons. No wonder they push the boundaries of their powers, because all those 95 yr old vets,  granny hugging 4 year olds, and 7 year-olds with cerebral palsy need to be taught a little thing called respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to date, and live with a person who performed background checks for various government jobs. In addition to all branches of the military,  she did background checks for customs and TSA agents. I was somewhat shocked to learn that the majority of customs and TSA agents are convicted felons. Not to say that people can&#8217;t change, but when the TSA was created, the vast majority of applicants were felons, and people who failed various other law enforcement exams.  People who want so badly to be cops, or have any authority, but were deemed too unstable to hold that responsibility, these are your TSA agents. And felons. No wonder they push the boundaries of their powers, because all those 95 yr old vets,  granny hugging 4 year olds, and 7 year-olds with cerebral palsy need to be taught a little thing called respect.</p>
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		<title>By: marilove</title>
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		<dc:creator>marilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep because it&#039;s just that simple!  And this is the only issue on the table!  And you always have an actual choice!


People like you seriously annoy the piss out of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep because it&#8217;s just that simple!  And this is the only issue on the table!  And you always have an actual choice!</p>
<p>People like you seriously annoy the piss out of me.</p>
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		<title>By: marilove</title>
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		<dc:creator>marilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everyone has the option to &quot;not get on a plane&quot;.  You know that, right?  Some jobs require it. Or maybe someone&#039;s family member died or is dying and they live too far away to drive. Or maybe they are on a tight schedule so driving or taking a bus is not an option.  Or maybe they just want to go across the ocean.

The answer shouldn&#039;t be, &quot;Just don&#039;t fly!!&quot;  How lazy can you get??

We should work to actually FIX the problem, not put our collective heads in the sand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everyone has the option to &#8220;not get on a plane&#8221;.  You know that, right?  Some jobs require it. Or maybe someone&#8217;s family member died or is dying and they live too far away to drive. Or maybe they are on a tight schedule so driving or taking a bus is not an option.  Or maybe they just want to go across the ocean.</p>
<p>The answer shouldn&#8217;t be, &#8220;Just don&#8217;t fly!!&#8221;  How lazy can you get??</p>
<p>We should work to actually FIX the problem, not put our collective heads in the sand.</p>
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		<title>By: marilove</title>
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		<dc:creator>marilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah!  Yelling at a child for no reason isn&#039;t abusive AT ALL!</description>
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