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	<title>Comments on: Electrical engineer builds devices to detect&#160;ghosts</title>
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		<title>By: CLamb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1407606</link>
		<dc:creator>CLamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that will work.  Unicorns are attracted to virgins--not magnets.  But perhaps you are going on the theory that the magnets will attract virgins which will attract unicorns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that will work.  Unicorns are attracted to virgins&#8211;not magnets.  But perhaps you are going on the theory that the magnets will attract virgins which will attract unicorns?</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Galka doesn&#039;t deserve that kind of abuse, corydodt.

His site sells generally decent-specification instruments that can also be used for scientific and industrial purposes. The prices are exceptionally reasonable, he&#039;s not gouging anybody. Most of the products are completely mundane - weather station stuff, pH meters, sound meters and so forth.

Due to &quot;Ghost Hunter&quot;-type TV shows, many people were looking for instruments like the ones they saw being (ab)used in the shows. This guy already was selling most of them  for other purposes. Was he supposed to refuse to sell unless customers swore an oath of allegiance to CSICOP or something? As far as I can tell there are no claims on the site about detecting ghosts - the closest is on the &quot;EMF Meters&quot; page are some  bundle deals with voice recorders and infrared thermometers.

The people who buy these EMF meters are going to go out and measure things and will have to interpret those measurements. Some will thus start getting into more regular areas of science as they are exposed to the real invisible world of EM fields. The others would be able to delude themselves about things that go bump in the night with or without the instruments.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Galka doesn&#8217;t deserve that kind of abuse, corydodt.</p>
<p>His site sells generally decent-specification instruments that can also be used for scientific and industrial purposes. The prices are exceptionally reasonable, he&#8217;s not gouging anybody. Most of the products are completely mundane &#8211; weather station stuff, pH meters, sound meters and so forth.</p>
<p>Due to &#8220;Ghost Hunter&#8221;-type TV shows, many people were looking for instruments like the ones they saw being (ab)used in the shows. This guy already was selling most of them  for other purposes. Was he supposed to refuse to sell unless customers swore an oath of allegiance to CSICOP or something? As far as I can tell there are no claims on the site about detecting ghosts &#8211; the closest is on the &#8220;EMF Meters&#8221; page are some  bundle deals with voice recorders and infrared thermometers.</p>
<p>The people who buy these EMF meters are going to go out and measure things and will have to interpret those measurements. Some will thus start getting into more regular areas of science as they are exposed to the real invisible world of EM fields. The others would be able to delude themselves about things that go bump in the night with or without the instruments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Rosenthal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1407228</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone want to buy my new patent pending Unicorn Locator? It&#039;s got magnets in it! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone want to buy my new patent pending Unicorn Locator? It&#8217;s got magnets in it! </p>
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		<title>By: shadowfirebird</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1407113</link>
		<dc:creator>shadowfirebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How on earth do you think anyone is going to &quot;repeatedly prove&quot; the existence of anything without a device to measure it?

And, no, the device that is determining whether you are doing more than the speed limit is called a &quot;cop&quot;.  A machine can&#039;t do that; it can&#039;t measure intangibles like the law, only physical properties like velocity.

They laughed at Marie Curie for saying her photographic plates could detect &quot;radiation&quot;.  Women, huh?  Of course, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.    I&#039;m not saying that this guy is closer to the Curie end of the Curie/Bozo spectrum.  I&#039;m just arguing a general principal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How on earth do you think anyone is going to &#8220;repeatedly prove&#8221; the existence of anything without a device to measure it?</p>
<p>And, no, the device that is determining whether you are doing more than the speed limit is called a &#8220;cop&#8221;.  A machine can&#8217;t do that; it can&#8217;t measure intangibles like the law, only physical properties like velocity.</p>
<p>They laughed at Marie Curie for saying her photographic plates could detect &#8220;radiation&#8221;.  Women, huh?  Of course, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.    I&#8217;m not saying that this guy is closer to the Curie end of the Curie/Bozo spectrum.  I&#8217;m just arguing a general principal.</p>
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		<title>By: rch427</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1407050</link>
		<dc:creator>rch427</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&#039;Does heaven exist?&#039; is an example of a philosophical question because there is and can be no proof of its existence or non-existence.&quot;

Not quite. If someone says that &quot;heaven&quot; is a literal place that conforms to the same laws of physics with which we&#039;re familiar, and it exists as a tetrahedron 100 miles on each face, floating 100 feet over the intersection of latitude 38 and longitude 122, we CAN indeed find proof of its existence or nonexistence.

By the same measure, we can determine that the &quot;heavens&quot; claimed by many religions are simply impossible to exist unless one wants to engage in special pleading. But more to the point: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which &quot;believers&quot; can and will never provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8216;Does heaven exist?&#8217; is an example of a philosophical question because there is and can be no proof of its existence or non-existence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite. If someone says that &#8220;heaven&#8221; is a literal place that conforms to the same laws of physics with which we&#8217;re familiar, and it exists as a tetrahedron 100 miles on each face, floating 100 feet over the intersection of latitude 38 and longitude 122, we CAN indeed find proof of its existence or nonexistence.</p>
<p>By the same measure, we can determine that the &#8220;heavens&#8221; claimed by many religions are simply impossible to exist unless one wants to engage in special pleading. But more to the point: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which &#8220;believers&#8221; can and will never provide.</p>
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		<title>By: bricology</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1407048</link>
		<dc:creator>bricology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;Does heaven exist?&quot; is an example of a philosophical question because 
there is and can be no proof of its existence or non-existence.&quot;

Not quite. If someone says that &quot;heaven&quot; is a literal place that conforms to the same laws of physics with which we&#039;re familiar, and it exists as a tetrahedron 100 miles on each face, floating 100 feet over the intersection of latitude 38 and longitude 122, we CAN indeed find proof of its existence or nonexistence. 

By the same measure, we can determine that the &quot;heavens&quot; claimed by many religions are simply impossible to exist unless one wants to engage in special pleading. But more to the point: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which &quot;believers&quot; can and will never provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Does heaven exist?&#8221; is an example of a philosophical question because<br />
there is and can be no proof of its existence or non-existence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite. If someone says that &#8220;heaven&#8221; is a literal place that conforms to the same laws of physics with which we&#8217;re familiar, and it exists as a tetrahedron 100 miles on each face, floating 100 feet over the intersection of latitude 38 and longitude 122, we CAN indeed find proof of its existence or nonexistence. </p>
<p>By the same measure, we can determine that the &#8220;heavens&#8221; claimed by many religions are simply impossible to exist unless one wants to engage in special pleading. But more to the point: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which &#8220;believers&#8221; can and will never provide.</p>
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		<title>By: rch427</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1407037</link>
		<dc:creator>rch427</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Galka&#039;s most recent invention is a device that he says can detect shadows in the dark.&quot;

Perhaps someone ought to explain to this &quot;engineer&quot; what a shadow is (hint: they can&#039;t exist in the dark).  

The notion of a shadow existing in the dark is as absurd as an echo existing in silence and a reflection in the absence of an object to be reflected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Galka&#8217;s most recent invention is a device that he says can detect shadows in the dark.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps someone ought to explain to this &#8220;engineer&#8221; what a shadow is (hint: they can&#8217;t exist in the dark).  </p>
<p>The notion of a shadow existing in the dark is as absurd as an echo existing in silence and a reflection in the absence of an object to be reflected.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Forest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy Connolly on ghost hunters and the supernatural...
http://youtu.be/hV5m77_HHKw 
(Warning, billy language!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy Connolly on ghost hunters and the supernatural&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://youtu.be/hV5m77_HHKw" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/hV5m77_HHKw</a><br />
(Warning, billy language!)</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406867</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether what you are measuring is caused by ghosts only starts to be relevant once anyone, anywhere repeatedly and reliably proves the existence of them. A number on an electronic device is not proof of anything and in any case none of this is a philosophical problem. Philosophical problems are problems with no absolutely determinable right or wrong answer because the solution is built on the moral framework of the person being asked the question. 

&quot;Does heaven exist?&quot; is an example of a philosophical question because there is and can be no proof of its existence or non-existence. &quot;Is this number on this machine caused by a ghost?&quot; - for that question the overwhelming weight of evidence is that it is not.

Furthermore your last analogy isn&#039;t very good because the device the cops use is actually BOTH a &quot;doing more than the speed limit detector&quot; and &quot;an instrument to measure your speed&quot;. They set the speed limit of the road they&#039;re monitoring and an alarm goes off when a car exceeds that speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether what you are measuring is caused by ghosts only starts to be relevant once anyone, anywhere repeatedly and reliably proves the existence of them. A number on an electronic device is not proof of anything and in any case none of this is a philosophical problem. Philosophical problems are problems with no absolutely determinable right or wrong answer because the solution is built on the moral framework of the person being asked the question. </p>
<p>&#8220;Does heaven exist?&#8221; is an example of a philosophical question because there is and can be no proof of its existence or non-existence. &#8220;Is this number on this machine caused by a ghost?&#8221; &#8211; for that question the overwhelming weight of evidence is that it is not.</p>
<p>Furthermore your last analogy isn&#8217;t very good because the device the cops use is actually BOTH a &#8220;doing more than the speed limit detector&#8221; and &#8220;an instrument to measure your speed&#8221;. They set the speed limit of the road they&#8217;re monitoring and an alarm goes off when a car exceeds that speed.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
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		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we shound be upset with him for &quot;supporting ignorance&quot; then?

If he&#039;s bereaved then his time and money and that of his customers would be better spent in counseling so they could maybe eventually get to a point where they enjoy life outside of a belief in the non-existent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we shound be upset with him for &#8220;supporting ignorance&#8221; then?</p>
<p>If he&#8217;s bereaved then his time and money and that of his customers would be better spent in counseling so they could maybe eventually get to a point where they enjoy life outside of a belief in the non-existent.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406831</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being genuine and being a charlatan are not mutually exclusive groups.

This guy is selling hope to people where absolutely no hope exists. Just because he can help people delude themselves for temporary emotional support doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s a good thing for that person or the right thing to do. The undisputed scientific consensus is that this is bunk as bunk can be which means that the person he&#039;s selling these flashing boxes to is going to either:
a) Believe this crap for the rest of their lives and waste their money and time chasing nothing.
b) Eventually realise they&#039;re chasing nothing and then regret the years or decades they wasted and feel stupid for believing in such crap and trusting people who were well-meaning but batshit crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being genuine and being a charlatan are not mutually exclusive groups.</p>
<p>This guy is selling hope to people where absolutely no hope exists. Just because he can help people delude themselves for temporary emotional support doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s a good thing for that person or the right thing to do. The undisputed scientific consensus is that this is bunk as bunk can be which means that the person he&#8217;s selling these flashing boxes to is going to either:<br />
a) Believe this crap for the rest of their lives and waste their money and time chasing nothing.<br />
b) Eventually realise they&#8217;re chasing nothing and then regret the years or decades they wasted and feel stupid for believing in such crap and trusting people who were well-meaning but batshit crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: teapot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406816</link>
		<dc:creator>teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point isn&#039;t to change the opinion of a loon, it&#039;s to let Pesco know that this subject, while interesting in a &quot;holy shit, people believe this crap!?&quot; kind of way, doesn&#039;t have the scientific rigor that people at BB tend to prefer.

When someone is making money off gullible people who should, but don&#039;t know better then we are gonna think that person&#039;s a jerk - even if he&#039;s genuine in his trust of whatever snake oil or snake oil detector is being marketed. Acupuncturists are mostly well-meaning and likely believe the lies they tell people, but that doesn&#039;t stop it from being immoral to waste their time, money and the homeostasis of their body by stabbing them with needles without gloves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point isn&#8217;t to change the opinion of a loon, it&#8217;s to let Pesco know that this subject, while interesting in a &#8220;holy shit, people believe this crap!?&#8221; kind of way, doesn&#8217;t have the scientific rigor that people at BB tend to prefer.</p>
<p>When someone is making money off gullible people who should, but don&#8217;t know better then we are gonna think that person&#8217;s a jerk &#8211; even if he&#8217;s genuine in his trust of whatever snake oil or snake oil detector is being marketed. Acupuncturists are mostly well-meaning and likely believe the lies they tell people, but that doesn&#8217;t stop it from being immoral to waste their time, money and the homeostasis of their body by stabbing them with needles without gloves.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raised Catholic. 

Didn&#039;t need to read any more, superstitious nature explained.

Poor dude was abused as a kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raised Catholic. </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t need to read any more, superstitious nature explained.</p>
<p>Poor dude was abused as a kid.</p>
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		<title>By: UncaScrooge</title>
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		<dc:creator>UncaScrooge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His continued association with the &quot;Ghost Adventures&quot; crew does not help his credibility in the least.  For the spectators, 99% of the entertainment value of that show is in openly mocking the douchey personalities and gee-whiz gullibility of the hosts.  I have watched the show for years just for the consistent laughs.

I personally find the idea of life after death to be a great disapointment:  I was promised eternal rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His continued association with the &#8220;Ghost Adventures&#8221; crew does not help his credibility in the least.  For the spectators, 99% of the entertainment value of that show is in openly mocking the douchey personalities and gee-whiz gullibility of the hosts.  I have watched the show for years just for the consistent laughs.</p>
<p>I personally find the idea of life after death to be a great disapointment:  I was promised eternal rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Bakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Bakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It. Isn&#039;t. Real.

Ta daaaaaaa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It. Isn&#8217;t. Real.</p>
<p>Ta daaaaaaa!</p>
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		<title>By: oldtaku</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldtaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you detect a ghost haunting your house it&#039;s not exactly &quot;in a good place&quot;. Unless you&#039;re going to make the argument that if ghosts exist at all then Heaven must too. Which at this level of crazy is, I guess, not the worst leap.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you detect a ghost haunting your house it&#8217;s not exactly &#8220;in a good place&#8221;. Unless you&#8217;re going to make the argument that if ghosts exist at all then Heaven must too. Which at this level of crazy is, I guess, not the worst leap.</p>
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		<title>By: diluded000</title>
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		<dc:creator>diluded000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always though some ferrofluid between two glass plates would work better for detecting ghost.  &quot;if there is anyone in here, please put your hand on the plate&quot;  I saw Ghosthunters have a supposed conversation based on their spirit friend waving a hand in front of an EMF detector to answer &#039;yes&#039; to a question.  This way would be lots harder to fake by pressing the send button on your phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always though some ferrofluid between two glass plates would work better for detecting ghost.  &#8220;if there is anyone in here, please put your hand on the plate&#8221;  I saw Ghosthunters have a supposed conversation based on their spirit friend waving a hand in front of an EMF detector to answer &#8216;yes&#8217; to a question.  This way would be lots harder to fake by pressing the send button on your phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A closely related circuit which often gives spooky readings is the electrometer. Any static electricity or separation of charges due to contact and separation of dissimilar insulating materials nearby will show strong readings (rises with the square of the separation of the charges). Using a very high impedance op-amp one can make an electrometer which can detect the movement of a cat at over 20 feet away. 

The circuit described below was the basis of a fun science fair project (albeit with some added LEGO/aluminum foil/analog storage oscilloscope to make a triboelectric curve tracer).

 An electric field detector can be made for under $25, (or even less if one gets samples from TI):
 *use an op-amp such as the  LMC6001 (25fA leakage current, DIP), or even better the LMP7721  (3 fA leakage current, but unfortunately surface mount), 
*wired as an impedance converter (output connected to inverting input, non-inverting input pin bent away from the chip as an antenna, [optionally with a spherical electrode on an insulating handle as with lab electrometers])
*with a split-power supply (even number of batteries with the ground at the mid-point between + and -) and 
*filter the output with a 50 Hz twin-T filter (60 Hz in the US) - see &quot;The Art of Electronics&quot; by Horowitz and Hill p.279-80 for the filter design...  
 *Never touch the op-amp chip with your bare hands. Any surface contamination will conduct, degrading the input impedance.

This is quite a fun toy, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A closely related circuit which often gives spooky readings is the electrometer. Any static electricity or separation of charges due to contact and separation of dissimilar insulating materials nearby will show strong readings (rises with the square of the separation of the charges). Using a very high impedance op-amp one can make an electrometer which can detect the movement of a cat at over 20 feet away. </p>
<p>The circuit described below was the basis of a fun science fair project (albeit with some added LEGO/aluminum foil/analog storage oscilloscope to make a triboelectric curve tracer).</p>
<p> An electric field detector can be made for under $25, (or even less if one gets samples from TI):<br />
 *use an op-amp such as the  LMC6001 (25fA leakage current, DIP), or even better the LMP7721  (3 fA leakage current, but unfortunately surface mount),<br />
*wired as an impedance converter (output connected to inverting input, non-inverting input pin bent away from the chip as an antenna, [optionally with a spherical electrode on an insulating handle as with lab electrometers])<br />
*with a split-power supply (even number of batteries with the ground at the mid-point between + and -) and<br />
*filter the output with a 50 Hz twin-T filter (60 Hz in the US) &#8211; see &#8220;The Art of Electronics&#8221; by Horowitz and Hill p.279-80 for the filter design&#8230; <br />
 *Never touch the op-amp chip with your bare hands. Any surface contamination will conduct, degrading the input impedance.</p>
<p>This is quite a fun toy, too.</p>
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		<title>By: shadowfirebird</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadowfirebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Toyota make the best cars on the planet.  If that turns out not to be the case, then that still does not mean, when Toyota sell me a car, that they are charlatans.  Even if they tell me that they make the best cars on the planet.

I have no idea how this guy sells his kit, but logically, it&#039;s not &#039;detecting&#039; ghosts, but measuring phenomena which he claims is caused by them*.  So the &#039;detector&#039; is not a scam, regardless of whether ghosts exist or not. 


( * Assuming that it measures anything at all, of course.  If it doesn&#039;t, then it *would* be a scam.  And it still wouldn&#039;t have any bearing on the matter whether ghosts existed or not.)

EDIT: That wasn&#039;t terribly clear, was it?  I mean that whether ghosts exist -- whether what you are measuring is *caused* by ghosts -- is a philosophical problem.  What you are measuring, and how accurately, is a science problem.  Cops do not have a &quot;doing more than the speed limit detector&quot;.  They have an instrument to measure your speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Toyota make the best cars on the planet.  If that turns out not to be the case, then that still does not mean, when Toyota sell me a car, that they are charlatans.  Even if they tell me that they make the best cars on the planet.</p>
<p>I have no idea how this guy sells his kit, but logically, it&#8217;s not &#8216;detecting&#8217; ghosts, but measuring phenomena which he claims is caused by them*.  So the &#8216;detector&#8217; is not a scam, regardless of whether ghosts exist or not. </p>
<p>( * Assuming that it measures anything at all, of course.  If it doesn&#8217;t, then it *would* be a scam.  And it still wouldn&#8217;t have any bearing on the matter whether ghosts existed or not.)</p>
<p>EDIT: That wasn&#8217;t terribly clear, was it?  I mean that whether ghosts exist &#8212; whether what you are measuring is *caused* by ghosts &#8212; is a philosophical problem.  What you are measuring, and how accurately, is a science problem.  Cops do not have a &#8220;doing more than the speed limit detector&#8221;.  They have an instrument to measure your speed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406339</link>
		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The noise is hiding under all sorts of strong, non-random signals, though. There are easier and better ways to generate random numbers, zener diodes, for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The noise is hiding under all sorts of strong, non-random signals, though. There are easier and better ways to generate random numbers, zener diodes, for instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Daemonworks</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406255</link>
		<dc:creator>Daemonworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes you think all the buyers even believe in ghosts? If I had the extra cash, I&#039;d buy one simply for the geeky maker coolness value of owning a device that was honestly purpose-built for detecting ghosts. 

Hell, half of these things are probably bought by people who are just fans of Supernatural.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think all the buyers even believe in ghosts? If I had the extra cash, I&#8217;d buy one simply for the geeky maker coolness value of owning a device that was honestly purpose-built for detecting ghosts. </p>
<p>Hell, half of these things are probably bought by people who are just fans of Supernatural.</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406241</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed.</description>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406227</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what exactly is the difference between what he is doing, the doomsday scenario and what organized religion does by raking in billions a year to tell people that if they do X, Y, and Z they will go to an imaginary place full of happiness will all the people they loved that are now dead?

On a rational, logical level none.  In reality religion gets a pass because they are protected by the law somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what exactly is the difference between what he is doing, the doomsday scenario and what organized religion does by raking in billions a year to tell people that if they do X, Y, and Z they will go to an imaginary place full of happiness will all the people they loved that are now dead?</p>
<p>On a rational, logical level none.  In reality religion gets a pass because they are protected by the law somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406177</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see anything stupid about other people&#039;s totem objects. I see a lot of stupidity in wasting your slack judging people beyond your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see anything stupid about other people&#8217;s totem objects. I see a lot of stupidity in wasting your slack judging people beyond your help.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406174</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> caveat fuctard</description>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406170</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s one way of looking at it.

It&#039;s also a way to give the ghosts total control over everything we think is random. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s one way of looking at it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a way to give the ghosts total control over everything we think is random. </p>
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		<title>By: ryuthrowsstuff</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406169</link>
		<dc:creator>ryuthrowsstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue with that is he isn&#039;t really discovering anything. See my comment above, and the skeptoid link from Pink With Idignation. He can &quot;detect&quot; anything he wants and claim its emanating from ghosts. I can detect the same things and claim they indicate inter-dimensional sasquaches, lizard men from outer space, leprechauns, or spiritual intelligence of breakfast cereals. At no point is it established that ghosts exist or what their properties are, so we can&#039;t make the jump to detecting/studying them through these or any other means. And you can&#039;t establish that ghosts exist simply by choosing a random variable to check and saying &quot;this means there&#039;s ghosts&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue with that is he isn&#8217;t really discovering anything. See my comment above, and the skeptoid link from Pink With Idignation. He can &#8220;detect&#8221; anything he wants and claim its emanating from ghosts. I can detect the same things and claim they indicate inter-dimensional sasquaches, lizard men from outer space, leprechauns, or spiritual intelligence of breakfast cereals. At no point is it established that ghosts exist or what their properties are, so we can&#8217;t make the jump to detecting/studying them through these or any other means. And you can&#8217;t establish that ghosts exist simply by choosing a random variable to check and saying &#8220;this means there&#8217;s ghosts&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: princeminski</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406164</link>
		<dc:creator>princeminski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What he said was: &quot;Cut the guy some slack.&quot; Slack is the intellectual property of the Church of the SubGenius. Take the money you were going to waste on the Ectoplasm Locator and give it to J.R. &quot;Bob&quot; Dobbs, Supreme High Epopt of the CSG. Don&#039;t throw it away on something stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What he said was: &#8220;Cut the guy some slack.&#8221; Slack is the intellectual property of the Church of the SubGenius. Take the money you were going to waste on the Ectoplasm Locator and give it to J.R. &#8220;Bob&#8221; Dobbs, Supreme High Epopt of the CSG. Don&#8217;t throw it away on something stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Coombs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406157</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Coombs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the opposite of coping. And even if the man is devastated by the loss of a child, he&#039;s still an asshole for profiting off the sorrow of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the opposite of coping. And even if the man is devastated by the loss of a child, he&#8217;s still an asshole for profiting off the sorrow of others.</p>
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		<title>By: relawson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/electrical-engineer-builds-dev.html#comment-1406147</link>
		<dc:creator>relawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love those shows! I sit with my kids to figure out how they fake everything that hap... OMG DID YOU HEAR THAT???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My kids love to go around the house with this: http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_03482174000P?keyword=voltage+detector&amp;prdNo=1&amp;blockNo=1&amp;blockType=L1 and detect &quot;ghosts&quot; around the house  haha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love those shows! I sit with my kids to figure out how they fake everything that hap&#8230; OMG DID YOU HEAR THAT???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>My kids love to go around the house with this: <a href="http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_03482174000P?keyword=voltage+detector&#038;prdNo=1&#038;blockNo=1&#038;blockType=L1" rel="nofollow">http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10155_12602_03482174000P?keyword=voltage+detector&#038;prdNo=1&#038;blockNo=1&#038;blockType=L1</a> and detect &#8220;ghosts&#8221; around the house  haha!</p>
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