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	<title>Comments on: After Yelp referral leads to $2K moving company ripoff, thoughts on &quot;genuine&#160;reviews&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: novium</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1410851</link>
		<dc:creator>novium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know. I think things can be taken too far, but I also think that there&#039;s room for people who say, &quot;well, I guess there were too many strawberries,&quot; because they&#039;re trying to say something about what the experience was actually like and not read like advertising copy. Plus, to a certain extent, I think a little bit of amateur criticism can increase enjoyment, because then you can really appreciate skill and difference and novelty. And I think this applies to many things- food, wine, books, music, television, whatever. I once met someone for whom hershey&#039;s chocolate and  delicious high-quality dark chocolate were nearly indistinguishable, except for the sweetness...and then benefit of that, I guess, is that they&#039;d enjoy it all equally, but the downside was they missed the sublime pleasure of the stunningly good chocolate. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. I think things can be taken too far, but I also think that there&#8217;s room for people who say, &#8220;well, I guess there were too many strawberries,&#8221; because they&#8217;re trying to say something about what the experience was actually like and not read like advertising copy. Plus, to a certain extent, I think a little bit of amateur criticism can increase enjoyment, because then you can really appreciate skill and difference and novelty. And I think this applies to many things- food, wine, books, music, television, whatever. I once met someone for whom hershey&#8217;s chocolate and  delicious high-quality dark chocolate were nearly indistinguishable, except for the sweetness&#8230;and then benefit of that, I guess, is that they&#8217;d enjoy it all equally, but the downside was they missed the sublime pleasure of the stunningly good chocolate. </p>
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		<title>By: mindfu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408883</link>
		<dc:creator>mindfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Well put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Well put.</p>
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		<title>By: mindfu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408879</link>
		<dc:creator>mindfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally had a great experience with a website called Uship. It&#039;s like ebay for shipping  - you put in where you&#039;re moving to and how much stuff, and them moving companies bid for the right to move your stuff. You can see the company&#039;s reviews and their percentage positive rating. No company knows who you actually are until you accept their bid.

Yelp is not designed to offer the kind of specialized service for movers, IMHO - as well as many other services, no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally had a great experience with a website called Uship. It&#8217;s like ebay for shipping  &#8211; you put in where you&#8217;re moving to and how much stuff, and them moving companies bid for the right to move your stuff. You can see the company&#8217;s reviews and their percentage positive rating. No company knows who you actually are until you accept their bid.</p>
<p>Yelp is not designed to offer the kind of specialized service for movers, IMHO &#8211; as well as many other services, no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: mindfu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408870</link>
		<dc:creator>mindfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen this exact thing happen to a friend of mine who owns a restaurant in Brooklyn. She has almost nothing but 4 and 5 stars reviews, but most of the negative ones are above the fold. She called Yelp and asked to have them at least filtered or shown chronologically, and was told point blank that the only way that was possible was if she purchased advertising.

When instead she demanded not to be listed at all in Yelp, she was told that couldn&#039;t happen either.

Yelp is a useful service, but is twisted more than a little towards the shitty by the capitalist model they&#039;re pursuing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen this exact thing happen to a friend of mine who owns a restaurant in Brooklyn. She has almost nothing but 4 and 5 stars reviews, but most of the negative ones are above the fold. She called Yelp and asked to have them at least filtered or shown chronologically, and was told point blank that the only way that was possible was if she purchased advertising.</p>
<p>When instead she demanded not to be listed at all in Yelp, she was told that couldn&#8217;t happen either.</p>
<p>Yelp is a useful service, but is twisted more than a little towards the shitty by the capitalist model they&#8217;re pursuing.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408653</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  But where the seller&#039;s sole obligation is to mail the correct product in a timely fashion, anything less than a five-star rating is a red flag.  It&#039;s not like a restaurant where you could get a great appetizer and a crappy dessert, be seated quickly but have an inattentive waiter.  That&#039;s why you can&#039;t translate ratings between different services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  But where the seller&#8217;s sole obligation is to mail the correct product in a timely fashion, anything less than a five-star rating is a red flag.  It&#8217;s not like a restaurant where you could get a great appetizer and a crappy dessert, be seated quickly but have an inattentive waiter.  That&#8217;s why you can&#8217;t translate ratings between different services.</p>
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		<title>By: LikesTurtles</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408650</link>
		<dc:creator>LikesTurtles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless I&#039;m missing something a 94% rating doesn&#039;t mean that 6% of the customers were unhappy, it&#039;s 94% of the best possible rating. Marketplace transactions are rated on a five star system so a bunch of four star ratings would create a less than 100% rating even though four star ratings aren&#039;t something I would worry about. Is this not how the system works?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless I&#8217;m missing something a 94% rating doesn&#8217;t mean that 6% of the customers were unhappy, it&#8217;s 94% of the best possible rating. Marketplace transactions are rated on a five star system so a bunch of four star ratings would create a less than 100% rating even though four star ratings aren&#8217;t something I would worry about. Is this not how the system works?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408645</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s kind of messed up.  On the other hand, the system won&#039;t accept a star rating unless you complete the essay question, too.  I usually end up putting a period in that field since I don&#039;t really have much to say, having rated the timeliness and appropriateness of the product via the star system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s kind of messed up.  On the other hand, the system won&#8217;t accept a star rating unless you complete the essay question, too.  I usually end up putting a period in that field since I don&#8217;t really have much to say, having rated the timeliness and appropriateness of the product via the star system.</p>
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		<title>By: LogrusZed</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408606</link>
		<dc:creator>LogrusZed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Consumers, in any medium, are inundated with fine-print or murky TOS agreements to the point where nobody reads them all, this goes for the minimum of warnings businesses provide to indemnify themselves from actions. If you claim to be as cautions as you&#039;re admonishing others for failing to be you&#039;re a damn liar or the kind of psychotic that has notebooks filled in the manner of Kevin Spacey&#039;s character in Seven and possibly thousands of labelled jars of your own excrement in your home.

Even the link for filtered reviews is shaded in low-contrast to the background, unless you use a text modifying plugin for your browser then you&#039;re unlikely to even notice that they filter reviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Consumers, in any medium, are inundated with fine-print or murky TOS agreements to the point where nobody reads them all, this goes for the minimum of warnings businesses provide to indemnify themselves from actions. If you claim to be as cautions as you&#8217;re admonishing others for failing to be you&#8217;re a damn liar or the kind of psychotic that has notebooks filled in the manner of Kevin Spacey&#8217;s character in Seven and possibly thousands of labelled jars of your own excrement in your home.</p>
<p>Even the link for filtered reviews is shaded in low-contrast to the background, unless you use a text modifying plugin for your browser then you&#8217;re unlikely to even notice that they filter reviews.</p>
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		<title>By: LogrusZed</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408599</link>
		<dc:creator>LogrusZed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> That isn&#039;t an accurate comparison.

There is no pretense that the Yellow Pages large ads are a recommendation; they are absolutely transparent in the fact that ad placement and size is specifically related to the alphabet and the willingness of the merchant to pay for the size of the advertising.

Yelp! is in the position of advertising themselves specifically in a capacity as a democratic ratings system where the user of a service provides the basis for a score that potential users can do their own filtering; but in practice they are doing their own filtering and de-facto colluding with the merchants in a manner which has the effect of gaming the system to the disadvantage of the consumer.

I don&#039;t know enough about the Yelp! business model to know if there is motive for intentional collusion or if it it merely a result of laziness and/or incompetence. The result, however, is the same for the potential consumer: They are fed inaccurate information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> That isn&#8217;t an accurate comparison.</p>
<p>There is no pretense that the Yellow Pages large ads are a recommendation; they are absolutely transparent in the fact that ad placement and size is specifically related to the alphabet and the willingness of the merchant to pay for the size of the advertising.</p>
<p>Yelp! is in the position of advertising themselves specifically in a capacity as a democratic ratings system where the user of a service provides the basis for a score that potential users can do their own filtering; but in practice they are doing their own filtering and de-facto colluding with the merchants in a manner which has the effect of gaming the system to the disadvantage of the consumer.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about the Yelp! business model to know if there is motive for intentional collusion or if it it merely a result of laziness and/or incompetence. The result, however, is the same for the potential consumer: They are fed inaccurate information.</p>
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		<title>By: LogrusZed</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408596</link>
		<dc:creator>LogrusZed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Another issue is the absolute inability to offer a &quot;zero star&quot; rating in cases where it is warranted such as: counterfeit merchandise (very common with consumer electronics), damaged/unusable goods in which the seller ceases contact with the consumer thus avoiding replacing, etc.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Another issue is the absolute inability to offer a &#8220;zero star&#8221; rating in cases where it is warranted such as: counterfeit merchandise (very common with consumer electronics), damaged/unusable goods in which the seller ceases contact with the consumer thus avoiding replacing, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: BarBarSeven</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408590</link>
		<dc:creator>BarBarSeven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to post on Yelp fairly regularly. Focusing mainly on local shops and such. It was a useful resource at one point. But then I started to notice some very obviously &quot;shilly&quot; posts in reviews of local restaurants

It was quite bad and quite obvious since many of the places had barely opened for a day and suddenly *BOOM* 1/2 a dozen glowing reviews. And they were clearly too specific and perfect to be just a random first day customer.

Deleted my account on Yelp and basically only use it--if I ever do--like the Yellow Pages: just for the bare bone basics. The heuristics needed to create a clean and trustworthy open review system doesn&#039;t exist yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to post on Yelp fairly regularly. Focusing mainly on local shops and such. It was a useful resource at one point. But then I started to notice some very obviously &#8220;shilly&#8221; posts in reviews of local restaurants</p>
<p>It was quite bad and quite obvious since many of the places had barely opened for a day and suddenly *BOOM* 1/2 a dozen glowing reviews. And they were clearly too specific and perfect to be just a random first day customer.</p>
<p>Deleted my account on Yelp and basically only use it&#8211;if I ever do&#8211;like the Yellow Pages: just for the bare bone basics. The heuristics needed to create a clean and trustworthy open review system doesn&#8217;t exist yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408562</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s easy to factor into my rating.  I just look at the date stamp on the package.  I expect an order to be mailed within two business days of being placed.  If the post office takes three weeks to deliver it, I don&#039;t blame the seller.  But I have gotten packages that were mailed ten days after purchase, and they got bottom reviews. 

You have to look at the review climate; if there are very many seller&#039;s with 98% and 99% ratings, a 94% is a terrible rating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s easy to factor into my rating.  I just look at the date stamp on the package.  I expect an order to be mailed within two business days of being placed.  If the post office takes three weeks to deliver it, I don&#8217;t blame the seller.  But I have gotten packages that were mailed ten days after purchase, and they got bottom reviews. </p>
<p>You have to look at the review climate; if there are very many seller&#8217;s with 98% and 99% ratings, a 94% is a terrible rating.</p>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408523</link>
		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> There are several lawsuits and news stories about it...
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/yelp-and-the-business-of-extortion-20/Content?oid=1176635

I bet you think the BBB rating is sacred too...  they got caught selling good ratings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> There are several lawsuits and news stories about it&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/yelp-and-the-business-of-extortion-20/Content?oid=1176635" rel="nofollow">http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/yelp-and-the-business-of-extortion-20/Content?oid=1176635</a></p>
<p>I bet you think the BBB rating is sacred too&#8230;  they got caught selling good ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408520</link>
		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Obligatory... and you really do need to hover over to get the sad part of the joke...
https://xkcd.com/325/
You can do this one in every 30 times and still have 97% positive feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Obligatory&#8230; and you really do need to hover over to get the sad part of the joke&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://xkcd.com/325/" rel="nofollow">https://xkcd.com/325/</a><br />
You can do this one in every 30 times and still have 97% positive feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408407</link>
		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Yelp to be very useful - but you have to use it carefully, just like any online review system. When I lived in SoCal I used it to find someplace new to eat at least once a week. All my favorite regular places there are places I found via Yelp, too, but I tried new things as often as possible and Yelp is currently the best resource to help with that.

When I visit SF, NYC, or anyplace like that I always check Yelp for good places to eat - it&#039;s especially important to do a bit of research if you&#039;re traveling. I&#039;ve never been outright burned by someplace I found via Yelp, though of course I&#039;ve been mildly disappointed (usually just because of personal tastes).

I know full well all the shenanigans that go on behind the scenes, but as a regular user I also know that it&#039;s easy to figure out what&#039;s going on - unfortunately you can&#039;t always take everything at face value.

I stopped providing my own reviews for a variety of reasons, such as not wanting to provide value (my reviews are good quality) to a company that does shady, nigh-unethical stuff. But as a resource in its current state it&#039;s quite valuable.

I did find an excellent place to get a hair cut via Yelp, but I probably wouldn&#039;t trust their reviews to help me find anything else besides food places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Yelp to be very useful &#8211; but you have to use it carefully, just like any online review system. When I lived in SoCal I used it to find someplace new to eat at least once a week. All my favorite regular places there are places I found via Yelp, too, but I tried new things as often as possible and Yelp is currently the best resource to help with that.</p>
<p>When I visit SF, NYC, or anyplace like that I always check Yelp for good places to eat &#8211; it&#8217;s especially important to do a bit of research if you&#8217;re traveling. I&#8217;ve never been outright burned by someplace I found via Yelp, though of course I&#8217;ve been mildly disappointed (usually just because of personal tastes).</p>
<p>I know full well all the shenanigans that go on behind the scenes, but as a regular user I also know that it&#8217;s easy to figure out what&#8217;s going on &#8211; unfortunately you can&#8217;t always take everything at face value.</p>
<p>I stopped providing my own reviews for a variety of reasons, such as not wanting to provide value (my reviews are good quality) to a company that does shady, nigh-unethical stuff. But as a resource in its current state it&#8217;s quite valuable.</p>
<p>I did find an excellent place to get a hair cut via Yelp, but I probably wouldn&#8217;t trust their reviews to help me find anything else besides food places.</p>
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		<title>By: LikesTurtles</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408379</link>
		<dc:creator>LikesTurtles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what Yelp does internally but business owners certainly can pay reviewers for positive ratings. Back when I was Elite restaurants would give us freebies which no doubt influenced our ratings. This was especially true when we&#039;d publicly discuss meeting up to eat and drink at a particular bar or restaurant. Sometimes they&#039;d even have a table ready for us without any of us even calling ahead. For the business it paid to monitor the talk threads and events pages to know when we were coming. No doubt we also received extra attentive service because they knew we would later write reviews. A couple of plates of free appetizers and a drink special that mysteriously was only offered to us would equal a dozen or so positive reviews. Not much Yelp can do to guard against that. They&#039;re certainly not going to punish Elite members who accept freebies since they&#039;re the ones providing the majority of the site&#039;s content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what Yelp does internally but business owners certainly can pay reviewers for positive ratings. Back when I was Elite restaurants would give us freebies which no doubt influenced our ratings. This was especially true when we&#8217;d publicly discuss meeting up to eat and drink at a particular bar or restaurant. Sometimes they&#8217;d even have a table ready for us without any of us even calling ahead. For the business it paid to monitor the talk threads and events pages to know when we were coming. No doubt we also received extra attentive service because they knew we would later write reviews. A couple of plates of free appetizers and a drink special that mysteriously was only offered to us would equal a dozen or so positive reviews. Not much Yelp can do to guard against that. They&#8217;re certainly not going to punish Elite members who accept freebies since they&#8217;re the ones providing the majority of the site&#8217;s content.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yelp is not a neutral party, so I would never trust reviews from them. They take money from places that are reviewed on their site. Or at least they try. Look at their default sort, &quot;Yelp Sort&quot;. WTF is that?? It&#039;s where they decide who&#039;s reviews show up first on the page. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yelp is not a neutral party, so I would never trust reviews from them. They take money from places that are reviewed on their site. Or at least they try. Look at their default sort, &#8220;Yelp Sort&#8221;. WTF is that?? It&#8217;s where they decide who&#8217;s reviews show up first on the page. </p>
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		<title>By: Bad Juju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad Juju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, no trust for Yelp here.
Speaking of plumbers, all but 3 of the reviews for the closest one were all entered on 9/11/2011.  Obvious shill is obvious?
Oh, two of the others were on 4/20. Happy Birthday!

If these reviews were Craigslist ads, they&#039;d have been flagged into oblivion, but that&#039;s just not good for business!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, no trust for Yelp here.<br />
Speaking of plumbers, all but 3 of the reviews for the closest one were all entered on 9/11/2011.  Obvious shill is obvious?<br />
Oh, two of the others were on 4/20. Happy Birthday!</p>
<p>If these reviews were Craigslist ads, they&#8217;d have been flagged into oblivion, but that&#8217;s just not good for business!</p>
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		<title>By: technosean</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408300</link>
		<dc:creator>technosean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yelp is completely useless. Shady practices. Paid-for suppression of negative reviews and escalation of positive ones. If you read Yelp you&#039;d think every place was a 4-star restaurant! I can&#039;t possibly take Yelp seriously.

Sigh. I do wish there was something like Yelp but not bought by the places reviewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yelp is completely useless. Shady practices. Paid-for suppression of negative reviews and escalation of positive ones. If you read Yelp you&#8217;d think every place was a 4-star restaurant! I can&#8217;t possibly take Yelp seriously.</p>
<p>Sigh. I do wish there was something like Yelp but not bought by the places reviewed.</p>
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		<title>By: kmoser</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408298</link>
		<dc:creator>kmoser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to take into account the biggest variable: the USPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to take into account the biggest variable: the USPS.</p>
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		<title>By: DisqThis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408293</link>
		<dc:creator>DisqThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe your relatives will change their mind when you get more negative reviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe your relatives will change their mind when you get more negative reviews.</p>
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		<title>By: Jardine</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408276</link>
		<dc:creator>Jardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah, woah, woah. There are people you can pay to move your shit for you? Then why do I keep having to carry my relatives&#039; shit around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah, woah, woah. There are people you can pay to move your shit for you? Then why do I keep having to carry my relatives&#8217; shit around?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc45</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408273</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell that to MegaUpload...

But according to the original complaint, Yelp actually engages in moderating reviews.  IANAL, but this would seem they have some liability there.

Let&#039;s face it, companies like Yelp aren&#039;t here to assist the consumer.  They&#039;re here to assist the businesses that are reviewed.  If they filter out &quot;bad&quot; reviews, then businesses are happy and a disgruntled consumer is more or less irrelevant.

Personally I never look at Yelp as truly useful since the reviews are suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that to MegaUpload&#8230;</p>
<p>But according to the original complaint, Yelp actually engages in moderating reviews.  IANAL, but this would seem they have some liability there.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, companies like Yelp aren&#8217;t here to assist the consumer.  They&#8217;re here to assist the businesses that are reviewed.  If they filter out &#8220;bad&#8221; reviews, then businesses are happy and a disgruntled consumer is more or less irrelevant.</p>
<p>Personally I never look at Yelp as truly useful since the reviews are suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Grobe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408261</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Grobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same kind of complaint, albeit on a smaller financial scale, with sites like Amazon and iTunes.   I tend to read the most critical reviews first to see if they are complaints against the third-party retailer, user error (e.g. didn&#039;t read the description), or an actual problem with the product.  The other thing I look for is the 5-star &quot;I haven&#039;t used it yet, but I am so excited to have ordered it!!!!1!&quot; reviews.  All of these factor into the overall score of the product regardless of the users actual interaction with the product because they are only allowed to rate the item on one scale.

Of course, I also hate audiobook reviews that say &quot;This book was really great.&quot;  I can read an Amazon review to see if people liked the story, I want to know if I actually want to listen to the reader or not.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same kind of complaint, albeit on a smaller financial scale, with sites like Amazon and iTunes.   I tend to read the most critical reviews first to see if they are complaints against the third-party retailer, user error (e.g. didn&#8217;t read the description), or an actual problem with the product.  The other thing I look for is the 5-star &#8220;I haven&#8217;t used it yet, but I am so excited to have ordered it!!!!1!&#8221; reviews.  All of these factor into the overall score of the product regardless of the users actual interaction with the product because they are only allowed to rate the item on one scale.</p>
<p>Of course, I also hate audiobook reviews that say &#8220;This book was really great.&#8221;  I can read an Amazon review to see if people liked the story, I want to know if I actually want to listen to the reader or not.  </p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rucker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408191</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captcha won&#039;t help when you have &quot;reputation managers&quot; gaming the system - there&#039;s enough money to pay for a real person to decode the captcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captcha won&#8217;t help when you have &#8220;reputation managers&#8221; gaming the system &#8211; there&#8217;s enough money to pay for a real person to decode the captcha.</p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408187</link>
		<dc:creator>foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving an entity like Yelp access to financial/credit information is just begging for fraud.</description>
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		<title>By: bkad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408185</link>
		<dc:creator>bkad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Possibly, if you care about reviews and dining, you were also selecting restaurants that were better than average to begin with. You never see 1s and 2s, so one&#039;s sense of &#039;average&#039; gets out of wack. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Possibly, if you care about reviews and dining, you were also selecting restaurants that were better than average to begin with. You never see 1s and 2s, so one&#8217;s sense of &#8216;average&#8217; gets out of wack. </p>
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		<title>By: bkad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408183</link>
		<dc:creator>bkad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I do the same thing, I read the negative reviews and try to determine whether the reviewer was being unfair (complaining about speed of service in tiny places the busiest night of the weak, complaining about failure of servers to act as the diner&#039;s personal slave) or subjective (too many strawberries). Similarly on Amazon, you will sometimes see complaints (paraphrased) which say, &quot;You sent me exactly what I ordered but it wasn&#039;t what I wanted!&quot;). If that&#039;s the worst anyone can say about you, you&#039;re an awesome business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I do the same thing, I read the negative reviews and try to determine whether the reviewer was being unfair (complaining about speed of service in tiny places the busiest night of the weak, complaining about failure of servers to act as the diner&#8217;s personal slave) or subjective (too many strawberries). Similarly on Amazon, you will sometimes see complaints (paraphrased) which say, &#8220;You sent me exactly what I ordered but it wasn&#8217;t what I wanted!&#8221;). If that&#8217;s the worst anyone can say about you, you&#8217;re an awesome business.</p>
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		<title>By: techdeviant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408174</link>
		<dc:creator>techdeviant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve successfully used angieslist to find good companies, including a moving company that worked just fine for me. I don&#039;t know if the right solution is to charge users for good information though. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve successfully used angieslist to find good companies, including a moving company that worked just fine for me. I don&#8217;t know if the right solution is to charge users for good information though. </p>
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		<title>By: Chauncey Scott</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/27/after-yelp-referral-leads-to.html#comment-1408168</link>
		<dc:creator>Chauncey Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever the ability is there. I sort reviews, to read the negative ones first. Then I determine, if I were to be in a situation, would I too, see it as a negative.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever the ability is there. I sort reviews, to read the negative ones first. Then I determine, if I were to be in a situation, would I too, see it as a negative.  </p>
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