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		<title>By: Millo Lopez</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1411162</link>
		<dc:creator>Millo Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They cost about a grand, and a months supply of sensors about $350.. But according to the comments here, paying for enough strips to test 6 times a day is going to be around $220/mo anyways. And if you are serious about reversing your diabetes the data would be invaluable..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They cost about a grand, and a months supply of sensors about $350.. But according to the comments here, paying for enough strips to test 6 times a day is going to be around $220/mo anyways. And if you are serious about reversing your diabetes the data would be invaluable..</p>
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		<title>By: Rob O'Daniel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1410625</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob O'Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we can hold out some hope for this technology to be consumer-ready in the near future:

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/22/iphone-reads-blood-glucose-level-with-nanosensor-tattoo/

http://voiceofdiabetes.org/are-you-kidding-a-diabetes-tattoo/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we can hold out some hope for this technology to be consumer-ready in the near future:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/22/iphone-reads-blood-glucose-level-with-nanosensor-tattoo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/22/iphone-reads-blood-glucose-level-with-nanosensor-tattoo/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://voiceofdiabetes.org/are-you-kidding-a-diabetes-tattoo/" rel="nofollow">http://voiceofdiabetes.org/are-you-kidding-a-diabetes-tattoo/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Heather C.</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1410051</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is that the reader device is usually free - the pharmacist will give them away, or you can get a coupon from the company for a new one. But the strips...that&#039;s where they make the money.

What would be nice would be if test strips were standard - or if you could develop a monitor that could use any kind of test strip. Or a reusable test strip. Or something to take your strip that could be plugged into a computer. Or if a nonprofit company could start manufacturing low-cost - but reliable - monitors and strips together. A family member has type 1 diabetes - it started as type 2, but it began as an autoimmune thing that attacked the pancreas until it stopped working completely. The family member tests at least twice a day (often more - it&#039;s important to do periodic random tests at different times to see how things are) and it&#039;s astonishing to see how expensive the strips are. Even up here in Canada-land. 

We all benefit when diabetics are able to monitor their blood sugar regularly, and if it costs a dollar a pop, there are going to be people who decide to hold off and stretch those strips as far as they can. Good, tight control is really critical...and it&#039;s hard to maintain that control without knowing what your numbers are. 

I don&#039;t care to get into the blame game of who gets diabetes and why. It sucks for everybody who gets it. Every single one of them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is that the reader device is usually free &#8211; the pharmacist will give them away, or you can get a coupon from the company for a new one. But the strips&#8230;that&#8217;s where they make the money.</p>
<p>What would be nice would be if test strips were standard &#8211; or if you could develop a monitor that could use any kind of test strip. Or a reusable test strip. Or something to take your strip that could be plugged into a computer. Or if a nonprofit company could start manufacturing low-cost &#8211; but reliable &#8211; monitors and strips together. A family member has type 1 diabetes &#8211; it started as type 2, but it began as an autoimmune thing that attacked the pancreas until it stopped working completely. The family member tests at least twice a day (often more &#8211; it&#8217;s important to do periodic random tests at different times to see how things are) and it&#8217;s astonishing to see how expensive the strips are. Even up here in Canada-land. </p>
<p>We all benefit when diabetics are able to monitor their blood sugar regularly, and if it costs a dollar a pop, there are going to be people who decide to hold off and stretch those strips as far as they can. Good, tight control is really critical&#8230;and it&#8217;s hard to maintain that control without knowing what your numbers are. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care to get into the blame game of who gets diabetes and why. It sucks for everybody who gets it. Every single one of them. </p>
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		<title>By: zombiebob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409999</link>
		<dc:creator>zombiebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm, google is now blocking the site saying it is part of a phishing scam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm, google is now blocking the site saying it is part of a phishing scam</p>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409984</link>
		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We already do publicly funded research.  Most basic R&amp;D is publicly funded and/or done by non-profits.  Corporations do a little, but it is generally through non-profit universities.  Where profit motivated corporations step in is when we try and make the leap from &quot;cool idea bro&quot; to &quot;lets make a billion of these at less than a dollar a pill&quot;.  

What my company doing is a great example of this.  They took some academic R&amp;D to do with sensor technology, said &quot;cool stuff&quot;, and then started to put their nose to the grind stone to figure out a way to build a few million units as cheap as humanly possible.  It is hard ass work.    I am not saying that corporations are a magical fairy-tale land of awesome, but the alternative is far far worse.  To have drug production in the hands of non-profits and government agencies from conception to production is the kind of hilariousness that wouldn&#039;t be tried in even the most ardently socialistic nations.  That idea died the death it deserved when the Soviet Union crumbled due to their utterly worthless and incompetent industrial practices.  Governments and non-profits suck at production.  They have a place for R&amp;D, and the US (like most nations) makes liberal use of them for that purpose.  However, when it comes to faster, better, and cheaper, corporations beat the living piss out of government owned industries and non-profits.  Even in the most socialistic single payer systems, drug and medical tech is built and sold through private corporations for profit.

If you take profit out of medicine, people simply won&#039;t do medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already do publicly funded research.  Most basic R&amp;D is publicly funded and/or done by non-profits.  Corporations do a little, but it is generally through non-profit universities.  Where profit motivated corporations step in is when we try and make the leap from &#8220;cool idea bro&#8221; to &#8220;lets make a billion of these at less than a dollar a pill&#8221;.  </p>
<p>What my company doing is a great example of this.  They took some academic R&amp;D to do with sensor technology, said &#8220;cool stuff&#8221;, and then started to put their nose to the grind stone to figure out a way to build a few million units as cheap as humanly possible.  It is hard ass work.    I am not saying that corporations are a magical fairy-tale land of awesome, but the alternative is far far worse.  To have drug production in the hands of non-profits and government agencies from conception to production is the kind of hilariousness that wouldn&#8217;t be tried in even the most ardently socialistic nations.  That idea died the death it deserved when the Soviet Union crumbled due to their utterly worthless and incompetent industrial practices.  Governments and non-profits suck at production.  They have a place for R&amp;D, and the US (like most nations) makes liberal use of them for that purpose.  However, when it comes to faster, better, and cheaper, corporations beat the living piss out of government owned industries and non-profits.  Even in the most socialistic single payer systems, drug and medical tech is built and sold through private corporations for profit.</p>
<p>If you take profit out of medicine, people simply won&#8217;t do medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409677</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by the date of the first reading, it looks like the Mayans were wrong! :o) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging by the date of the first reading, it looks like the Mayans were wrong! :o) </p>
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		<title>By: AlexG55</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409586</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexG55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$50 million is tiny in terms of drug development, and 5 years is not long enough. The average time from initial discovery to launch is over 10 years, and it costs about $1 billion for a truly innovative drug (NCE). That&#039;s not including marketing costs- though it does include clinical trials and the costs of developing the tens to thousands (depending on how you count) of failed ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$50 million is tiny in terms of drug development, and 5 years is not long enough. The average time from initial discovery to launch is over 10 years, and it costs about $1 billion for a truly innovative drug (NCE). That&#8217;s not including marketing costs- though it does include clinical trials and the costs of developing the tens to thousands (depending on how you count) of failed ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: moiremusic</title>
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		<dc:creator>moiremusic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to correct just one thing you said, Brad. Test strips are covered by some health insurance companies. I have Type 1, and my Blue Cross Blue Shield plan covers a large part of test strip costs.

And I feel your pain, man. I was a thin kid who was fed a health-conscious diet, but with no family history of the disease. Came out of nowhere when I was 15. But going on the Omnipod (disposable, tubeless insulin pump) was the best thing I&#039;ve ever done for controlling it. Between that, jogging a few times a week, and leaning *heavily* toward a low saturated fat paleo diet, management is a breeze now. I stay far away from breads and pastas. Never touch them if I can help it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to correct just one thing you said, Brad. Test strips are covered by some health insurance companies. I have Type 1, and my Blue Cross Blue Shield plan covers a large part of test strip costs.</p>
<p>And I feel your pain, man. I was a thin kid who was fed a health-conscious diet, but with no family history of the disease. Came out of nowhere when I was 15. But going on the Omnipod (disposable, tubeless insulin pump) was the best thing I&#8217;ve ever done for controlling it. Between that, jogging a few times a week, and leaning *heavily* toward a low saturated fat paleo diet, management is a breeze now. I stay far away from breads and pastas. Never touch them if I can help it.</p>
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		<title>By: xzzy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409398</link>
		<dc:creator>xzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of it is just plain economics too. A single vial of type N or R insulin has nearly doubled in cost over the past 5 years. My assumption is that doctors don&#039;t prescribe this stuff anymore and when you combine a lack of money coming from insurance companies plus a reduction in demand, these companies jack up the price to keep it profitable.

It is significant, because it&#039;s the only insulin you can buy without a prescription, which means people buying it are probably without insurance. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of it is just plain economics too. A single vial of type N or R insulin has nearly doubled in cost over the past 5 years. My assumption is that doctors don&#8217;t prescribe this stuff anymore and when you combine a lack of money coming from insurance companies plus a reduction in demand, these companies jack up the price to keep it profitable.</p>
<p>It is significant, because it&#8217;s the only insulin you can buy without a prescription, which means people buying it are probably without insurance. </p>
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		<title>By: Lizmari Collazo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409362</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizmari Collazo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job on getting your act together and getting your numbers under control. It&#039;s a similar story for me. I gained a LOT of unexplained weight, quite suddenly...  And then, I lost 30 lbs without trying, and it came to be that I had an A1C of 10.5% at diagnosis. I worked hard with a lower carb diet (not Atkins low, or Bernstein low, mind you... just moderately low) to get my numbers in range in 2-3 months, down to a 5.3% A1C. I also kept a lot of data, and spread sheets, too. I really was afraid of the meds, though, and I avoided all meds right away, in the beginning... just for a chance to try it on my own, at least for a while. Though I am still doing great without them, I&#039;m considering starting Metformin because of the many benefits I could get for additional treatment of my PCOS, which isn&#039;t improving much, despite an 80 lb weight loss. :/ Apparently, the extended release kind is a lot kinder on the GI system. Best of luck with everything, and you have a fellow Type 2 friend in me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job on getting your act together and getting your numbers under control. It&#8217;s a similar story for me. I gained a LOT of unexplained weight, quite suddenly&#8230;  And then, I lost 30 lbs without trying, and it came to be that I had an A1C of 10.5% at diagnosis. I worked hard with a lower carb diet (not Atkins low, or Bernstein low, mind you&#8230; just moderately low) to get my numbers in range in 2-3 months, down to a 5.3% A1C. I also kept a lot of data, and spread sheets, too. I really was afraid of the meds, though, and I avoided all meds right away, in the beginning&#8230; just for a chance to try it on my own, at least for a while. Though I am still doing great without them, I&#8217;m considering starting Metformin because of the many benefits I could get for additional treatment of my PCOS, which isn&#8217;t improving much, despite an 80 lb weight loss. :/ Apparently, the extended release kind is a lot kinder on the GI system. Best of luck with everything, and you have a fellow Type 2 friend in me.</p>
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		<title>By: helleman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409361</link>
		<dc:creator>helleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Why can&#039;t we publicly fund research?   No more bloated advertising budgets, and we pay what the drugs cost.   How about we start with the creation of an agency that takes all those &#039;non-profitable conditions&#039; which promising research points to possible cures to (but there is no money in) and starts working on those problems?   Give them 5 years of funding, and see if they can get results?    $50 million should be a good start.   1% of Microsoft&#039;s tax bill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Why can&#8217;t we publicly fund research?   No more bloated advertising budgets, and we pay what the drugs cost.   How about we start with the creation of an agency that takes all those &#8216;non-profitable conditions&#8217; which promising research points to possible cures to (but there is no money in) and starts working on those problems?   Give them 5 years of funding, and see if they can get results?    $50 million should be a good start.   1% of Microsoft&#8217;s tax bill?</p>
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		<title>By: Bevatron Repairman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409353</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevatron Repairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try to find it later, but I have an article around here somewhere on the dozens of ways -- everything from retinal scans to electrical resistance -- that big pharma and little start-ups have tried to come up with a way of non-invasively measuring blood glucose.  There&#039;s been several billion dollars in private money that&#039;s chased that idea exactly because there&#039;s only one technique to easily measure blood glucose at home.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try to find it later, but I have an article around here somewhere on the dozens of ways &#8212; everything from retinal scans to electrical resistance &#8212; that big pharma and little start-ups have tried to come up with a way of non-invasively measuring blood glucose.  There&#8217;s been several billion dollars in private money that&#8217;s chased that idea exactly because there&#8217;s only one technique to easily measure blood glucose at home.</p>
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		<title>By: benenglish</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409344</link>
		<dc:creator>benenglish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, yet how many health professionals understand that?  I remember seeing a TV interview with Dr. DeBakey (yes, that one) where he did nothing to to conceal his absolute disgust at the mere sight of fat people.  He actually said, with complete exasperation in his voice, &quot;All they have to do is push away from the table!&quot;

Here&#039;s one of the most famous doctors of all time yet his knowledge was severely limited to that of a typical mechanic who saw things in a purely mechanical fashion.  Obviously, this happened a long time ago but even back then I knew enough to want to reach through the TV and strangle the guy.

Sadly, even today there are doctors who seem to have the same attitudes about obesity and, by extension, diabetes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, yet how many health professionals understand that?  I remember seeing a TV interview with Dr. DeBakey (yes, that one) where he did nothing to to conceal his absolute disgust at the mere sight of fat people.  He actually said, with complete exasperation in his voice, &#8220;All they have to do is push away from the table!&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one of the most famous doctors of all time yet his knowledge was severely limited to that of a typical mechanic who saw things in a purely mechanical fashion.  Obviously, this happened a long time ago but even back then I knew enough to want to reach through the TV and strangle the guy.</p>
<p>Sadly, even today there are doctors who seem to have the same attitudes about obesity and, by extension, diabetes.</p>
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		<title>By: cfuse</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409273</link>
		<dc:creator>cfuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take medication for mental illness that (which along with the disease itself) massively increases my risk for diabetes. What did I do to deserve that?

We live in a capricious universe, not an ordered one that somehow unfairly dealt you diabetes (or me insanity, for that matter). There are just as many type 2&#039;s that never &#039;deserved&#039; it as there are type 1&#039;s that are eating, drinking and smoking up a storm as we speak. Your condition entitles you to judge no-one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take medication for mental illness that (which along with the disease itself) massively increases my risk for diabetes. What did I do to deserve that?</p>
<p>We live in a capricious universe, not an ordered one that somehow unfairly dealt you diabetes (or me insanity, for that matter). There are just as many type 2&#8242;s that never &#8216;deserved&#8217; it as there are type 1&#8242;s that are eating, drinking and smoking up a storm as we speak. Your condition entitles you to judge no-one.</p>
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		<title>By: rob_cornelius</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409257</link>
		<dc:creator>rob_cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All arguments about the strips aside (I am type II by the way but rarely test myself) Did no one else notice he works for the ad agency that does work for the Nike+ device he plugs consistently? There is a little disclaimer at the end but a lot of it seems to be astro-turf to me. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All arguments about the strips aside (I am type II by the way but rarely test myself) Did no one else notice he works for the ad agency that does work for the Nike+ device he plugs consistently? There is a little disclaimer at the end but a lot of it seems to be astro-turf to me. </p>
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		<title>By: t3kna2007</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409235</link>
		<dc:creator>t3kna2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;  The body is just way too complicated to think of it 
&gt; as a physics experiment

The last time I saw a diagram of glucose metabolism it showed a couple hundred different actors and pathways.  And those were only ones inside the body.  Not simple.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;  The body is just way too complicated to think of it<br />
&gt; as a physics experiment</p>
<p>The last time I saw a diagram of glucose metabolism it showed a couple hundred different actors and pathways.  And those were only ones inside the body.  Not simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...so you want to shut down world wide research and development into health?  The company I work for is working on a sensor to improve certain types of imaging technology by making them far clearer and cheaper.  I can safely say we would drop the work tomorrow if we were told it was illegal to profit off of it and go back to making chips for your phone.  Is that what you really want?

Your sound bite sounds cute, but it is incredibly foolish and naive.  The alternative to people chasing after profits in the health industry isn&#039;t all of that money being dumped into some magical non-profit drug manufacture.  It is that money going to crap like your cell phone and nothing getting spent on improving health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;so you want to shut down world wide research and development into health?  The company I work for is working on a sensor to improve certain types of imaging technology by making them far clearer and cheaper.  I can safely say we would drop the work tomorrow if we were told it was illegal to profit off of it and go back to making chips for your phone.  Is that what you really want?</p>
<p>Your sound bite sounds cute, but it is incredibly foolish and naive.  The alternative to people chasing after profits in the health industry isn&#8217;t all of that money being dumped into some magical non-profit drug manufacture.  It is that money going to crap like your cell phone and nothing getting spent on improving health.</p>
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		<title>By: benenglish</title>
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		<dc:creator>benenglish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I just love (seriously) about becoming a diabetic was that it gave me information to shove in the faces of those &quot;It&#039;s all your fault because you&#039;re fat&quot; idiots.  There are plenty of fat people out there who consume less calories and get more exercise than thin folks.  The body is just way too complicated to think of it as a physics experiment where calorie intake minus calorie expenditure equals fat storage.

That info I mentioned?  I was diagnosed because despite eating ravenously (even by my standards), I had lost a bunch of weight.  Everyone was complimenting me and I felt great but I knew something wasn&#039;t right.  The initial blood glucose reading at the doctors office was 399.  I asked if I got a prize if I could break 400; they weren&#039;t amused. 

I attacked the problem with information gathering.  I documented every bite, every calorie, and tested 8 times a day - morning, before and after meals, and at bedtime.  I took the pills prescribed.  I exercised like crazy, far more than I had done in decades.

In 90 days my A1c went from 12.9 to 6.1.  I had achieved control.  I had also cut my daily caloric intake by more than half and done extensive exercise.  I had it all on spreadsheets and bar charts in a nice folder to show the doc at the 90 day followup.

Oh, and one more thing.  I had put on 60 pounds.

I did some more reading and found that weight gain was a side effect of the drugs I was prescribed.  Less calories went in.  I did more physical work.  And I gained massive amounts of weight.

The doc was happy with the A1c number because it showed that the medications had brought my disease under control.  If they made me fatter, he flat out told me that was my problem.  He had helped me get the disease under control and it was up to me to lose the weight, something he stressed was absolutely necessary if I was going to ever get off the meds.

&quot;How can I lose weight if the drugs you prescribe cause me to gain weight, no matter how hard I work?&quot;

&quot;That&#039;s something you&#039;ll have to work out for yourself.&quot;

That was years ago and while I was able to maintain control for a while, I eventually gave up.  I went out of control for years before a personal crisis forced me to rearrange my life.  Many things have changed for the better in the last little while and I&#039;m rapidly getting better.

Still, the problems with treatment remain for most patients and I despair of ever seeing this change.  There&#039;s too much business potential in keeping you just sick enough to need profitable management supplies.

One addendum - Thank you, Lizmari, for pointing out that obesity is often and apparently a side effect of diabetes, not THE cause.  When I first started reading about that, it cleared up a lot of mysteries about my own body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I just love (seriously) about becoming a diabetic was that it gave me information to shove in the faces of those &#8220;It&#8217;s all your fault because you&#8217;re fat&#8221; idiots.  There are plenty of fat people out there who consume less calories and get more exercise than thin folks.  The body is just way too complicated to think of it as a physics experiment where calorie intake minus calorie expenditure equals fat storage.</p>
<p>That info I mentioned?  I was diagnosed because despite eating ravenously (even by my standards), I had lost a bunch of weight.  Everyone was complimenting me and I felt great but I knew something wasn&#8217;t right.  The initial blood glucose reading at the doctors office was 399.  I asked if I got a prize if I could break 400; they weren&#8217;t amused. </p>
<p>I attacked the problem with information gathering.  I documented every bite, every calorie, and tested 8 times a day &#8211; morning, before and after meals, and at bedtime.  I took the pills prescribed.  I exercised like crazy, far more than I had done in decades.</p>
<p>In 90 days my A1c went from 12.9 to 6.1.  I had achieved control.  I had also cut my daily caloric intake by more than half and done extensive exercise.  I had it all on spreadsheets and bar charts in a nice folder to show the doc at the 90 day followup.</p>
<p>Oh, and one more thing.  I had put on 60 pounds.</p>
<p>I did some more reading and found that weight gain was a side effect of the drugs I was prescribed.  Less calories went in.  I did more physical work.  And I gained massive amounts of weight.</p>
<p>The doc was happy with the A1c number because it showed that the medications had brought my disease under control.  If they made me fatter, he flat out told me that was my problem.  He had helped me get the disease under control and it was up to me to lose the weight, something he stressed was absolutely necessary if I was going to ever get off the meds.</p>
<p>&#8220;How can I lose weight if the drugs you prescribe cause me to gain weight, no matter how hard I work?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s something you&#8217;ll have to work out for yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was years ago and while I was able to maintain control for a while, I eventually gave up.  I went out of control for years before a personal crisis forced me to rearrange my life.  Many things have changed for the better in the last little while and I&#8217;m rapidly getting better.</p>
<p>Still, the problems with treatment remain for most patients and I despair of ever seeing this change.  There&#8217;s too much business potential in keeping you just sick enough to need profitable management supplies.</p>
<p>One addendum &#8211; Thank you, Lizmari, for pointing out that obesity is often and apparently a side effect of diabetes, not THE cause.  When I first started reading about that, it cleared up a lot of mysteries about my own body.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409132</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t want to know how much those things cost if insurance doesn&#039;t pay for it.</description>
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		<title>By: Brad Pocatello</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409127</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Pocatello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your case is far from the norm. </description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. However for that to happen Pharma&#039;s profit for pills agenda needs to die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. However for that to happen Pharma&#8217;s profit for pills agenda needs to die.</p>
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		<title>By: Millo Lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Millo Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he&#039;s testing himself 6 times a day, why not get a dexcom? It monitors continuously and you can apparently leave it in for 7 days.</description>
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		<title>By: blue balaclava</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409101</link>
		<dc:creator>blue balaclava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> and, lest we forget, there is a model for this &#039;let&#039;s him and you fight&#039; might of inter-disease antagonism: AIDS.

It took ACT UP to do the heavy lifting in terms of getting a meaningful research response, but public sentiment didn&#039;t galvanize until &quot;innocent&quot; sufferers were promoted as the face of the disease -- and, of course, they suffered due to the &#039;evil&#039; deviants who exposed them, directly or indirectly, to HIV. 

Can&#039;t we avoid this phase of fighting, and unite against the real problems out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> and, lest we forget, there is a model for this &#8216;let&#8217;s him and you fight&#8217; might of inter-disease antagonism: AIDS.</p>
<p>It took ACT UP to do the heavy lifting in terms of getting a meaningful research response, but public sentiment didn&#8217;t galvanize until &#8220;innocent&#8221; sufferers were promoted as the face of the disease &#8212; and, of course, they suffered due to the &#8216;evil&#8217; deviants who exposed them, directly or indirectly, to HIV. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t we avoid this phase of fighting, and unite against the real problems out there?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Ligget. Tuba.</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409099</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Ligget. Tuba.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I agree.  I never said it was JUST about access to reasonably priced food.  I was simply stating that it was ALSO not JUST about willpower, as you seemed to be implying.  Furthermore, in addition to willpower and access, there are also cultural and media elements.  People are bombarded with hours upon hours of media enticing them to eat supersized meals at McDonalds, drink colored sugar water pedaled by surfers and supermodels,  and drink beer and smoke cigarettes because it will make them &quot;cool.&quot;  Advertising in the last 50 years has been largely about getting people to consume more than they need to, and if it didn&#039;t work, corporations wouldn&#039;t spend billions of dollars doing it.
I don&#039;t fall for it myself, and sure, I take a bit of pride in that.  But it doesn&#039;t give me the right to think that the people that do fall for it are all to blame.  Much of the fault lies with the corporations that are brainwashing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I agree.  I never said it was JUST about access to reasonably priced food.  I was simply stating that it was ALSO not JUST about willpower, as you seemed to be implying.  Furthermore, in addition to willpower and access, there are also cultural and media elements.  People are bombarded with hours upon hours of media enticing them to eat supersized meals at McDonalds, drink colored sugar water pedaled by surfers and supermodels,  and drink beer and smoke cigarettes because it will make them &#8220;cool.&#8221;  Advertising in the last 50 years has been largely about getting people to consume more than they need to, and if it didn&#8217;t work, corporations wouldn&#8217;t spend billions of dollars doing it.<br />
I don&#8217;t fall for it myself, and sure, I take a bit of pride in that.  But it doesn&#8217;t give me the right to think that the people that do fall for it are all to blame.  Much of the fault lies with the corporations that are brainwashing them.</p>
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		<title>By: blue balaclava</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409098</link>
		<dc:creator>blue balaclava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>  ... and don&#039;t get me started on how the medical-industrial complex, from research fundraising to public policy advocacy, pit DM1 and DM2 patients against each other. What other illness gets the left-hand caress of just enough maintenance tools to keep one&#039;s condition stagnant, and the right-hand slap of a multitude of diabetic junk food, cookbooks and quack nostrums?

It&#039;s just as insulting to be marketed as the innocent lil&#039; puppies of a disease (they called DM1 &quot;Juvenile Diabetes&quot; up until this century) as it is to be condemned as gluttonous sinners. Brad&#039;s response proves that the marketing worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  &#8230; and don&#8217;t get me started on how the medical-industrial complex, from research fundraising to public policy advocacy, pit DM1 and DM2 patients against each other. What other illness gets the left-hand caress of just enough maintenance tools to keep one&#8217;s condition stagnant, and the right-hand slap of a multitude of diabetic junk food, cookbooks and quack nostrums?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just as insulting to be marketed as the innocent lil&#8217; puppies of a disease (they called DM1 &#8220;Juvenile Diabetes&#8221; up until this century) as it is to be condemned as gluttonous sinners. Brad&#8217;s response proves that the marketing worked.</p>
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		<title>By: blue balaclava</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409097</link>
		<dc:creator>blue balaclava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, when do the main patents of test strip technology expire?</description>
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		<title>By: Mick Hamblen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409088</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Hamblen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he needs to do what I did. Consume a Very Low Carb / High Fat diet (Paleo) I lost 70 lb and reversed what was probably diabetes of some sort. I didn&#039;t bother  with doctors or drugs. I just fixed my problem with REAL FOODS. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he needs to do what I did. Consume a Very Low Carb / High Fat diet (Paleo) I lost 70 lb and reversed what was probably diabetes of some sort. I didn&#8217;t bother  with doctors or drugs. I just fixed my problem with REAL FOODS. </p>
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		<title>By: Sarah M</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409087</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diabetes - including type 2, can not be reversed or cured (some people can control their sugars enough to go off medication, but that is not the same as it being reversed - you still have to test, and you are still diet/exercise controlled, and eventually, you will have to go back on medication).   Some would like to say that gastic bypass can cure it, but there isn&#039;t any long term data on it.  There has been much more $ dumped into the R&amp;D of trying to *cure* type 2, since at least at that point your body is still producing and using some insulin rather then type 1, which would involving figuring out how to make it anyway - which is much harder.   (All this said, i have been type 2 for 10 years, and much to the utter frustration of my endo, I don&#039;t test.  After 4 years of testing, I was not able to find any patterns in my daily testing that made sense with what I ate, or in any way related back to my A1C readings, which are much more accurate idea of how I am doing)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diabetes &#8211; including type 2, can not be reversed or cured (some people can control their sugars enough to go off medication, but that is not the same as it being reversed &#8211; you still have to test, and you are still diet/exercise controlled, and eventually, you will have to go back on medication).   Some would like to say that gastic bypass can cure it, but there isn&#8217;t any long term data on it.  There has been much more $ dumped into the R&amp;D of trying to *cure* type 2, since at least at that point your body is still producing and using some insulin rather then type 1, which would involving figuring out how to make it anyway &#8211; which is much harder.   (All this said, i have been type 2 for 10 years, and much to the utter frustration of my endo, I don&#8217;t test.  After 4 years of testing, I was not able to find any patterns in my daily testing that made sense with what I ate, or in any way related back to my A1C readings, which are much more accurate idea of how I am doing)</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409081</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not everyone can afford to eat lean meats and fresh vegetables.&quot;

Well that might be a little true, but considering the average person really only needs 2000 or less calories a day it isn&#039;t that difficult to obtain them form reasonably healthy minimally processed sources for probably the same thing they are spending their money on now.

Bulk oats are certainly cheaper than Quaker instant.  And as an overweight person I feel pretty confident in saying that if someone isn&#039;t really watching what they eat, consuming a &quot;portion&quot; of something is unlikely.  That bag of chips I just opened, yeah I&#039;m not eating 1oz...it&#039;ll be closer to 1/4 or 1/3 of the bag.  Those cookies that are two to a serving, I&#039;m probably having 4 or 6.  Eight ounces of soda, but I just opened a 20oz bottle...

It&#039;s not just about access to reasonably priced food, it&#039;s about the willpower and desire couple with the understand and knowledge of what you are eating to get a person to make better choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not everyone can afford to eat lean meats and fresh vegetables.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well that might be a little true, but considering the average person really only needs 2000 or less calories a day it isn&#8217;t that difficult to obtain them form reasonably healthy minimally processed sources for probably the same thing they are spending their money on now.</p>
<p>Bulk oats are certainly cheaper than Quaker instant.  And as an overweight person I feel pretty confident in saying that if someone isn&#8217;t really watching what they eat, consuming a &#8220;portion&#8221; of something is unlikely.  That bag of chips I just opened, yeah I&#8217;m not eating 1oz&#8230;it&#8217;ll be closer to 1/4 or 1/3 of the bag.  Those cookies that are two to a serving, I&#8217;m probably having 4 or 6.  Eight ounces of soda, but I just opened a 20oz bottle&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just about access to reasonably priced food, it&#8217;s about the willpower and desire couple with the understand and knowledge of what you are eating to get a person to make better choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bishop</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/04/29/data-versus-diabetes.html#comment-1409079</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may very well be true that some individuals requiring insulin cannot afford the maintenance supplies, but that isn&#039;t what I was refuting. I am merely claiming that he is overstating the cost of those supplies. The price he mentions is greater than twice the market rate and the frequency he mentions is at least twice (probably many times more) the rate of the typical consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may very well be true that some individuals requiring insulin cannot afford the maintenance supplies, but that isn&#8217;t what I was refuting. I am merely claiming that he is overstating the cost of those supplies. The price he mentions is greater than twice the market rate and the frequency he mentions is at least twice (probably many times more) the rate of the typical consumer.</p>
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