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	<title>Comments on: School-issue laptop fitted with anti-social-networking censorship/surveillance software that operates off school networks,&#160;too</title>
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		<title>By: Palomino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412789</link>
		<dc:creator>Palomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 09:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, it&#039;s no different than a parent doing the same thing with their home&#039;s wireless router or a pass code code on the cable. 

The word used in &quot;issued&quot;, therefor the school still owns them and can put whatever limitations they deem necessary, especially if it&#039;s a pilot program.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it&#8217;s no different than a parent doing the same thing with their home&#8217;s wireless router or a pass code code on the cable. </p>
<p>The word used in &#8220;issued&#8221;, therefor the school still owns them and can put whatever limitations they deem necessary, especially if it&#8217;s a pilot program.  </p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412636</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 04:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PatrickMcGorrill:disqus I dunno, I&#039;m seeing 4GB usb sticks going for 5 bucks nowadays and could probably score some cheaper in bulk.  That would be plenty of space for Ubuntu and some basic file storage, etc.  I guess it depends on the budget for USB sticks.  Obviously, you could get away with very tiny ones with Puppy.

@google-6c18529221b7c616cf54f73f926ce46a:disqus that&#039;s true, BackTrack boots fine on Macs.

@google-c5868c47252dbe2d7b51541d5f7b6f51:disqus , do schools block booting from USB on Macs?  If so, how do they do it specifically?  With the firmware?  I know you can block optical, but don&#039;t see how to remove usb without screwing with kext files, etc. and even then that wouldn&#039;t be practical for various reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PatrickMcGorrill:disqus I dunno, I&#8217;m seeing 4GB usb sticks going for 5 bucks nowadays and could probably score some cheaper in bulk.  That would be plenty of space for Ubuntu and some basic file storage, etc.  I guess it depends on the budget for USB sticks.  Obviously, you could get away with very tiny ones with Puppy.</p>
<p>@google-6c18529221b7c616cf54f73f926ce46a:disqus that&#8217;s true, BackTrack boots fine on Macs.</p>
<p>@google-c5868c47252dbe2d7b51541d5f7b6f51:disqus , do schools block booting from USB on Macs?  If so, how do they do it specifically?  With the firmware?  I know you can block optical, but don&#8217;t see how to remove usb without screwing with kext files, etc. and even then that wouldn&#8217;t be practical for various reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: acidrain69</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412564</link>
		<dc:creator>acidrain69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Absolutely agree, as another IT professional. It&#039;s hard enough to keep everything working, without having to worry about the added exposure to all the junk on social media sites.

This has nothing to do with censorship or legality. School property = school approved use. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Absolutely agree, as another IT professional. It&#8217;s hard enough to keep everything working, without having to worry about the added exposure to all the junk on social media sites.</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with censorship or legality. School property = school approved use. </p>
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		<title>By: dioptase</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412413</link>
		<dc:creator>dioptase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Heck, crippling probably increases computer learning.  90% of what I know about computers comes from trying to overcome problems.  Microsoft, Linux, and Apple quirks, bugs, and plain flat stupidity have done more to teach computers than any computer course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Heck, crippling probably increases computer learning.  90% of what I know about computers comes from trying to overcome problems.  Microsoft, Linux, and Apple quirks, bugs, and plain flat stupidity have done more to teach computers than any computer course.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McGorrill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412299</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick McGorrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Right. So, this is the software that&#039;s going to be distributed via the school&#039;s network http://www.sophos.com/en-us/your-needs/security-goals/control-web-browsing.aspx
this is the computer the high school students get issued http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-2100/pd
I doubt they think highly enough of the students to put a password on the BIOS, but it&#039;s possible. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Right. So, this is the software that&#8217;s going to be distributed via the school&#8217;s network <a href="http://www.sophos.com/en-us/your-needs/security-goals/control-web-browsing.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.sophos.com/en-us/your-needs/security-goals/control-web-browsing.aspx</a><br />
this is the computer the high school students get issued <a href="http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-2100/pd" rel="nofollow">http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-2100/pd</a><br />
I doubt they think highly enough of the students to put a password on the BIOS, but it&#8217;s possible. </p>
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		<title>By: blissfulight</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412252</link>
		<dc:creator>blissfulight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We want to be &#039;free&#039; and yet we live in a society obsessed with rules.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We want to be &#8216;free&#8217; and yet we live in a society obsessed with rules.  </p>
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		<title>By: Theo Grace</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412196</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets hope, we could use a W1ns0n right about now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets hope, we could use a W1ns0n right about now</p>
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		<title>By: SoItBegins</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoItBegins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things occur to me:

1a) Students will probably be able to disable the monitoring systems, unless  

1b) the system is in the HPA (host protected area) area of the HD, which are a complete pain to remove [even Darik&#039;s Boot And Nuke won&#039;t touch it, you&#039;ll need a special custom app to clear it out.]

1c) a BIOS password is installed... well, maybe not. BIOS passwords can be cracked, and depending on your model, there is usually a set of jumpers on the motherboard that can be bridged to reset it.

1d) the system is hardware-based... seriously, if someone were to give me a computer that I were to discover had a monitoring system built right into the motherboard,  my first impulse would be to transfer all my data off it.
My second impulse would involve a hammer and righteous ire.

2) I&#039;m pretty sure the parents of the students who are given the devices could make the claim that keeping the restrictions active outside of the school grounds is a violation of the students&#039; right to privacy, as well as a case of the schools meddling outside their jurisdiction.
Maybe some of the richer parents could summon a lawyer? That&#039;d change things in a hurry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things occur to me:</p>
<p>1a) Students will probably be able to disable the monitoring systems, unless  </p>
<p>1b) the system is in the HPA (host protected area) area of the HD, which are a complete pain to remove [even Darik's Boot And Nuke won't touch it, you'll need a special custom app to clear it out.]</p>
<p>1c) a BIOS password is installed&#8230; well, maybe not. BIOS passwords can be cracked, and depending on your model, there is usually a set of jumpers on the motherboard that can be bridged to reset it.</p>
<p>1d) the system is hardware-based&#8230; seriously, if someone were to give me a computer that I were to discover had a monitoring system built right into the motherboard,  my first impulse would be to transfer all my data off it.<br />
My second impulse would involve a hammer and righteous ire.</p>
<p>2) I&#8217;m pretty sure the parents of the students who are given the devices could make the claim that keeping the restrictions active outside of the school grounds is a violation of the students&#8217; right to privacy, as well as a case of the schools meddling outside their jurisdiction.<br />
Maybe some of the richer parents could summon a lawyer? That&#8217;d change things in a hurry.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412171</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could even go with Pepperment for something really lightweight.



Thing is It&#039;s ultimately the school&#039;s property. It is their choice on how they hand these things out. OF course if they allow booting off a USB stick or cd, then that kindof gives people the best of both worlds. Yet at the same time that risks somebody overwriting the primary OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could even go with Pepperment for something really lightweight.</p>
<p>Thing is It&#8217;s ultimately the school&#8217;s property. It is their choice on how they hand these things out. OF course if they allow booting off a USB stick or cd, then that kindof gives people the best of both worlds. Yet at the same time that risks somebody overwriting the primary OS.</p>
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		<title>By: digi_owl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412169</link>
		<dc:creator>digi_owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprising, as Doctorow usually takes things from the present and cranks it up a notch. The sad part is that those in authority seem to take such cranking as a guide, not a warning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprising, as Doctorow usually takes things from the present and cranks it up a notch. The sad part is that those in authority seem to take such cranking as a guide, not a warning.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Singleton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412152</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;d probably hold the parents liable for &#039;damaging property&#039; demand money to replace it (money for the laptop plus Office, and anything else on there... flash with a stock image and send it out with someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;d probably hold the parents liable for &#8216;damaging property&#8217; demand money to replace it (money for the laptop plus Office, and anything else on there&#8230; flash with a stock image and send it out with someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Cornelius Stuyvesant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1412069</link>
		<dc:creator>Cornelius Stuyvesant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They could run BackTrack on that really easy. Then they can have some real fun with the hardware as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could run BackTrack on that really easy. Then they can have some real fun with the hardware as well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cornelius Stuyvesant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cornelius Stuyvesant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, if the coursework involves social media sites that the tool blocks, then that is stupid and the teachers should make a fuss out of that. I agree with that 100%.

Students that use social media accounts as part of the coursework should use &quot;school&quot; accounts that are just for that, and nothing else. They should not use personal accounts at all for this sort of thing. 

Really, I think this is inline with what I said in regards to &quot;But a school computer is a school computer, and should only be used for school purposes.&quot; 

I think a lot of this is we are coming at this from different angles. As a parent, I am concerned with protecting my kid from the school (sad eh?). As an educator, I can see you being more concerned with trying to use all the tools needed to impart knowledge. So when we see this story, our reaction goes right back to our primary goals. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, if the coursework involves social media sites that the tool blocks, then that is stupid and the teachers should make a fuss out of that. I agree with that 100%.</p>
<p>Students that use social media accounts as part of the coursework should use &#8220;school&#8221; accounts that are just for that, and nothing else. They should not use personal accounts at all for this sort of thing. </p>
<p>Really, I think this is inline with what I said in regards to &#8220;But a school computer is a school computer, and should only be used for school purposes.&#8221; </p>
<p>I think a lot of this is we are coming at this from different angles. As a parent, I am concerned with protecting my kid from the school (sad eh?). As an educator, I can see you being more concerned with trying to use all the tools needed to impart knowledge. So when we see this story, our reaction goes right back to our primary goals. </p>
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		<title>By: TombKing</title>
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		<dc:creator>TombKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is exactly what I would teach my kid to do with a school laptop even if was not full of filters and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is exactly what I would teach my kid to do with a school laptop even if was not full of filters and such.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has an unfortunate habit of producing visibly perverse outcomes; but rules against slush-funding one program from the budget of another definitely have their place. People get... creative... without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has an unfortunate habit of producing visibly perverse outcomes; but rules against slush-funding one program from the budget of another definitely have their place. People get&#8230; creative&#8230; without them.</p>
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		<title>By: TombKing</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1411985</link>
		<dc:creator>TombKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Speaking of which—are you on lunch break now?&lt;/i&gt;
No, but my current work plate is a lot of start up the scripts and wait stuff and I am at home so using my personal box which sits nearby. Boing Boing comments don&#039;t work through the company firewall for some reason.
And again the laptop is provided for them to do school work. Period. It is not provided to them to have fun with.

Maybe I have done too much tech support and had to clean up after to many incidents of malware making not only into the company but onto the servers. But man if was the tech support guy for those boxes I would want them locked down hard. Sorry I know what gets done to computers by the general user and it is not fun to clean up even if you just nuke it from orbit and start over.
I will say that the level of filtering is overkill but I do understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Speaking of which—are you on lunch break now?</i><br />
No, but my current work plate is a lot of start up the scripts and wait stuff and I am at home so using my personal box which sits nearby. Boing Boing comments don&#8217;t work through the company firewall for some reason.<br />
And again the laptop is provided for them to do school work. Period. It is not provided to them to have fun with.</p>
<p>Maybe I have done too much tech support and had to clean up after to many incidents of malware making not only into the company but onto the servers. But man if was the tech support guy for those boxes I would want them locked down hard. Sorry I know what gets done to computers by the general user and it is not fun to clean up even if you just nuke it from orbit and start over.<br />
I will say that the level of filtering is overkill but I do understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McGorrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick McGorrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes... someone...
So these are Dell Latitude 2100 netbooks with tiny screens and keyboards and everything
Processor: intel atom CPU n270 1.60GHz
RAM: 2GB

is Ubuntu the best choice? I know there&#039;s Ubuntu optimized for netbooks so I&#039;d go with that over the standard version. Are there other distros that should be considered? Does Puppy Linux make sense for this in an era of 16 GB flashdrives for $13? Do you think the kids would like Mint?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8230; someone&#8230;<br />
So these are Dell Latitude 2100 netbooks with tiny screens and keyboards and everything<br />
Processor: intel atom CPU n270 1.60GHz<br />
RAM: 2GB</p>
<p>is Ubuntu the best choice? I know there&#8217;s Ubuntu optimized for netbooks so I&#8217;d go with that over the standard version. Are there other distros that should be considered? Does Puppy Linux make sense for this in an era of 16 GB flashdrives for $13? Do you think the kids would like Mint?</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is the schools property. Are kids allowed to take magic marker and doodle in the pages of the text books? Rip pages out because they are bored and then ask for new one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Pretty terrible analogy. You don&#039;t have to replace a computer after it&#039;s been used to visit Facebook.
&lt;blockquote&gt;The fact I can check yahoo mail and watch youtube and read Boing Boing on a break is nice but not a requirement for my job.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Maybe not, but I bet you&#039;d have a little resentment toward your employer if they didn&#039;t trust you enough to give you a machine capable of doing those things, even on your own time. And rightly so.

Speaking of which—are you on lunch break now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is the schools property. Are kids allowed to take magic marker and doodle in the pages of the text books? Rip pages out because they are bored and then ask for new one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Pretty terrible analogy. You don&#8217;t have to replace a computer after it&#8217;s been used to visit Facebook.</p>
<blockquote><p>The fact I can check yahoo mail and watch youtube and read Boing Boing on a break is nice but not a requirement for my job.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe not, but I bet you&#8217;d have a little resentment toward your employer if they didn&#8217;t trust you enough to give you a machine capable of doing those things, even on your own time. And rightly so.</p>
<p>Speaking of which—are you on lunch break now?</p>
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		<title>By: Daemonworks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daemonworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forget - these laptops are for use by children, not adults.
It&#039;ll take them about 2 minutes to figure out how to disable all of the censor/spyware. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forget &#8211; these laptops are for use by children, not adults.<br />
It&#8217;ll take them about 2 minutes to figure out how to disable all of the censor/spyware. </p>
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		<title>By: TombKing</title>
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		<dc:creator>TombKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The personal box stays at home and yes if required I would lug both around and it isn&#039;t a tablet it is a beast of a laptop and I have brougt both to work when I had to do a lot of hurry up and wait while loading a new image to the work one. The work pc is for work, end of discussion. It is not for posting to twitter, not for playing Doom, not for my personal use.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The personal box stays at home and yes if required I would lug both around and it isn&#8217;t a tablet it is a beast of a laptop and I have brougt both to work when I had to do a lot of hurry up and wait while loading a new image to the work one. The work pc is for work, end of discussion. It is not for posting to twitter, not for playing Doom, not for my personal use.</p>
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		<title>By: TombKing</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1411918</link>
		<dc:creator>TombKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does limit my browsing on my own time. It is called a corporate firewall/filter. If I didn&#039;t have a personal pc then I still would not use the company box for personal things as it is something that can get me fired. It is provided and paid for by the company for company use. If they limit my web browsing at lunch then I will find something else to do.

It is the schools property. Are kids allowed to take magic marker and doodle in the pages of the text books? Rip pages out because they are bored and then ask for new one. No they are not at least not without having to pay for the book.

I don&#039;t get this attitude of &quot;i need to do whatever i want with school/company property&quot;. No No you don&#039;t. It isn&#039;t your property.
I am given the laptop by my employer to do work for the company on it because it is a tool requried to do my job. Nothing more. The fact I can check yahoo mail and watch youtube and read Boing Boing on a break is nice but not a requirement for my job. Gee it would be nice to install Starcraft2 but thats not what they gave the laptop to me for. Being able to post to Facebook and such is not a requirement to get schoolwork done and is big invitation to getting the machine screwed up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does limit my browsing on my own time. It is called a corporate firewall/filter. If I didn&#8217;t have a personal pc then I still would not use the company box for personal things as it is something that can get me fired. It is provided and paid for by the company for company use. If they limit my web browsing at lunch then I will find something else to do.</p>
<p>It is the schools property. Are kids allowed to take magic marker and doodle in the pages of the text books? Rip pages out because they are bored and then ask for new one. No they are not at least not without having to pay for the book.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get this attitude of &#8220;i need to do whatever i want with school/company property&#8221;. No No you don&#8217;t. It isn&#8217;t your property.<br />
I am given the laptop by my employer to do work for the company on it because it is a tool requried to do my job. Nothing more. The fact I can check yahoo mail and watch youtube and read Boing Boing on a break is nice but not a requirement for my job. Gee it would be nice to install Starcraft2 but thats not what they gave the laptop to me for. Being able to post to Facebook and such is not a requirement to get schoolwork done and is big invitation to getting the machine screwed up.</p>
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		<title>By: howaboutthisdangit</title>
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		<dc:creator>howaboutthisdangit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kids will learn about the REAL internet on their home computers, just as they find other ways to learn about sex and drugs and other things which SHOULD be taught in class, where they COULD be discussed in a balanced manner.

School administrators, local alderpersons, and other clueless would-be monarchs will continue to foist their beliefs on everyone by hiding the real world and encouraging ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kids will learn about the REAL internet on their home computers, just as they find other ways to learn about sex and drugs and other things which SHOULD be taught in class, where they COULD be discussed in a balanced manner.</p>
<p>School administrators, local alderpersons, and other clueless would-be monarchs will continue to foist their beliefs on everyone by hiding the real world and encouraging ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/school-issue-laptop-fitted-wit.html#comment-1411891</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How can students learn to use technology to prevent their personal information from leaking out online if we spy on everything they do and punish them if they try to stop us?  &lt;/blockquote&gt;Sounds like an excellent way to make at least a few of em really good at it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How can students learn to use technology to prevent their personal information from leaking out online if we spy on everything they do and punish them if they try to stop us?  </p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like an excellent way to make at least a few of em really good at it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cwcaton</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Future Headline: &quot;Local Freshman abducted by stranger he met through school-issued laptop; parents sue for not protecting their child.&quot;


Not for nothing, but there is a legitimate question about liability.  The school is certainly in a position to empower students, but with great empowering comes great liability.  There is educational value in social networking, yes.  There is also a legion of attorneys ready to sue the pants off a school board that doesn&#039;t block the porn sites on the school&#039;s computer.

Also, a further question: let&#039;s assume the computer is not an electronic device, but instead a &quot;portal&quot; to the internet.  The school is definitely responsible for any data accessed through the portals on school property.  If they start distributing traveling portals to students, aren&#039;t they arguably then still responsible for data accessed by students?  That&#039;s a not-entirely-unreasonable interpretation of the word &quot;network&quot; made by a layperson trying to cover his or her own ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Future Headline: &#8220;Local Freshman abducted by stranger he met through school-issued laptop; parents sue for not protecting their child.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not for nothing, but there is a legitimate question about liability.  The school is certainly in a position to empower students, but with great empowering comes great liability.  There is educational value in social networking, yes.  There is also a legion of attorneys ready to sue the pants off a school board that doesn&#8217;t block the porn sites on the school&#8217;s computer.</p>
<p>Also, a further question: let&#8217;s assume the computer is not an electronic device, but instead a &#8220;portal&#8221; to the internet.  The school is definitely responsible for any data accessed through the portals on school property.  If they start distributing traveling portals to students, aren&#8217;t they arguably then still responsible for data accessed by students?  That&#8217;s a not-entirely-unreasonable interpretation of the word &#8220;network&#8221; made by a layperson trying to cover his or her own ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had a school issued computer, the supplied operating system would soon become a VM, and I&#039;d put my own OS on it. They wouldn&#039;t need to know and if they found out and didn&#039;t like it, tough. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had a school issued computer, the supplied operating system would soon become a VM, and I&#8217;d put my own OS on it. They wouldn&#8217;t need to know and if they found out and didn&#8217;t like it, tough. </p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT incompetence certainly happens; but your contemporary boring business box(the usual choice of bulk-ordering IT departments) makes it trivial to disable boot devices(or even ports and integrated peripherals entirely). 

Many of the cheaper systems can still be defeated by stubbing the flash chip at the correct moment, if you are willing to expose the motherboard; but some of the TPM-based ones can no longer. Most are also still defeatable by swapping out whatever device is blessed to boot with another hanging off the exact same bus; but even that is not always possible.

Cost usually forbids this; but good luck if the district has sprung for something with a recent version of &#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_vPro&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;vPro&lt;/a&gt;... Full remote control, including KVM over VPN, all handled by a service processor built into the motherboard? Yup. It&#039;s an OS-agnostic hardware bug. Intel charges a pretty penny for it, so your odds of escaping are decent; but it is available...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT incompetence certainly happens; but your contemporary boring business box(the usual choice of bulk-ordering IT departments) makes it trivial to disable boot devices(or even ports and integrated peripherals entirely). </p>
<p>Many of the cheaper systems can still be defeated by stubbing the flash chip at the correct moment, if you are willing to expose the motherboard; but some of the TPM-based ones can no longer. Most are also still defeatable by swapping out whatever device is blessed to boot with another hanging off the exact same bus; but even that is not always possible.</p>
<p>Cost usually forbids this; but good luck if the district has sprung for something with a recent version of &#8216;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_vPro" rel="nofollow">vPro</a>&#8230; Full remote control, including KVM over VPN, all handled by a service processor built into the motherboard? Yup. It&#8217;s an OS-agnostic hardware bug. Intel charges a pretty penny for it, so your odds of escaping are decent; but it is available&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jerwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter that your tablet  individually weighs only 1.35 pounds. You&#039;re going to be carrying two of them--one  for work;one for play. 2.7 lbs total.

If only the manufacturer offered the lighter weight option of a five-hour battery-- after all, you&#039;re going to be splitting your time between the two.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter that your tablet  individually weighs only 1.35 pounds. You&#8217;re going to be carrying two of them&#8211;one  for work;one for play. 2.7 lbs total.</p>
<p>If only the manufacturer offered the lighter weight option of a five-hour battery&#8211; after all, you&#8217;re going to be splitting your time between the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The school is not stopping them from being used as educational tools. 

The school can and IMHO should lock them down. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The school is not stopping them from being used as educational tools. </p>
<p>The school can and IMHO should lock them down. </p>
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		<title>By: jerwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>take a hint from the Digital Millennium copyright act-- there&#039;s no requirement that the DRM be hard to crack, only that it be &lt;i&gt;intended to have the effect&lt;/i&gt; of thwarting unlicensed use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>take a hint from the Digital Millennium copyright act&#8211; there&#8217;s no requirement that the DRM be hard to crack, only that it be <i>intended to have the effect</i> of thwarting unlicensed use.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Copeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Copeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pre-crash bonds can come to effect long after an economic crash. The in-class lab I student taught at is set to get new equipment, but the school at large is in desperate need of teachers. No re-allocations, though. The bond is worded in a way that prevents it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pre-crash bonds can come to effect long after an economic crash. The in-class lab I student taught at is set to get new equipment, but the school at large is in desperate need of teachers. No re-allocations, though. The bond is worded in a way that prevents it.</p>
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