Comments on: Portland, OR considers ubiquitous CCTV surveillance http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1415875 Guest Sun, 06 May 2012 14:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1415875  It's still the 90's in far-western MA. Heck, it's still the 70's in some parts.  It’s still the 90′s in far-western MA. Heck, it’s still the 70′s in some parts.

]]> By: Guest http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1415874 Guest Sun, 06 May 2012 14:26:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1415874 "I really can't afford to take a three hour break from work every Wednesday to attend each meeting." They're counting on it. “I really can’t afford to take a three hour break from work every Wednesday to attend each meeting.”

They’re counting on it.

]]> By: Donald Petersen http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414988 Donald Petersen Fri, 04 May 2012 23:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414988 Now there's a movement to start: every private citizen and business owner should get a camera on the front of their house/establishment that's constantly photographing the public space immediately surrounding them, and constantly uploading this feed to a completely open public database, viewable at anytime by anyone. No public usefulness is served by surveillance that can only be used by the state against its constituents. Now there’s a movement to start: every private citizen and business owner should get a camera on the front of their house/establishment that’s constantly photographing the public space immediately surrounding them, and constantly uploading this feed to a completely open public database, viewable at anytime by anyone.

No public usefulness is served by surveillance that can only be used by the state against its constituents.

]]> By: Donald Petersen http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414980 Donald Petersen Fri, 04 May 2012 23:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414980 I fear you may be right, though certainly they're spreading everywhere. I fear you may be right, though certainly they’re spreading everywhere.

]]> By: Joseph Walsh http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414835 Joseph Walsh Fri, 04 May 2012 21:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414835  In Portland Oregon, our mayor wants to install police cameras in our downtown area.  We are going to fight against this because they don't work, they interfere with any kind of privacy and cost a lot of money to maintain and operate.  You have lots of people who listen to you here in Portland and maybe you could mention that next week during a Council meeting there will be a vote on this issue.  For more info on this please go here: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/05/415449.shtml The Council will vote next Weds about 0930 and we could use all the help we can get, thanks Joe  In Portland Oregon, our mayor wants to install police cameras in our downtown area.  We are going to fight against this because they don’t work, they interfere with any kind of privacy and cost a lot of money to maintain and operate.  You have lots of people who listen to you here in Portland and maybe you could mention that next week during a Council meeting there will be a vote on this issue.  For more info on this please go here:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/05/415449.shtml

The Council will vote next Weds about 0930 and we could use all the help we can get, thanks

Joe

]]> By: devinull http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414728 devinull Fri, 04 May 2012 19:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414728 Devon Pack here- a few updates. The City's budget will be retaining 50 sworn officers. So this is no longer an issue of 'cameras costing police jobs'. The next hearing on this matter will take place at City Hall on Wednesday (exact time uncertain). The plan has been amended to require a report to City Council every six months. As of this time, the Portland Police Bureau is formulating a specific addition to the code of conduct governing how Police Officers may use these cameras.    I would like to implore fellow Portlanders to attend City Council and speak out on this matter. I've already addressed them on the topic- and I really can't afford to take a three hour break from work every Wednesday to attend each meeting.  Devon Pack here- a few updates. The City’s budget will be retaining 50 sworn officers. So this is no longer an issue of ‘cameras costing police jobs’. The next hearing on this matter will take place at City Hall on Wednesday (exact time uncertain). The plan has been amended to require a report to City Council every six months. As of this time, the Portland Police Bureau is formulating a specific addition to the code of conduct governing how Police Officers may use these cameras. 
  I would like to implore fellow Portlanders to attend City Council and speak out on this matter. I’ve already addressed them on the topic- and I really can’t afford to take a three hour break from work every Wednesday to attend each meeting. 

]]> By: James Le Fever http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414562 James Le Fever Fri, 04 May 2012 18:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414562 I've been thinking about moving out of Portland (I've lived here for almost 20 years). This is just one more thing on my list of of reasons to leave. I’ve been thinking about moving out of Portland (I’ve lived here for almost 20 years). This is just one more thing on my list of of reasons to leave.

]]> By: Rudy Moore http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414292 Rudy Moore Fri, 04 May 2012 14:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414292 If hijacking CCTV feeds with high-speed Benny Hill chase scenes is wrong, then I don't wanna be right. If hijacking CCTV feeds with high-speed Benny Hill chase scenes is wrong, then I don’t wanna be right.

]]> By: Roose_Bolton http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414283 Roose_Bolton Fri, 04 May 2012 14:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414283 uggh, drunk Tauren Death Knights are the WORST. uggh, drunk Tauren Death Knights are the WORST.

]]> By: travispulley http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414271 travispulley Fri, 04 May 2012 14:28:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414271 The city will see your hippy ideals, and raise you one Portland Business Alliance. The red-light traffic cameras are snickering among themselves. The city will see your hippy ideals, and raise you one Portland Business Alliance. The red-light traffic cameras are snickering among themselves.

]]> By: traalfaz http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414256 traalfaz Fri, 04 May 2012 14:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414256 At the very least, the data from these cameras, both live and recorded, should be freely available to the public. At the very least, the data from these cameras, both live and recorded, should be freely available to the public.

]]> By: yri http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414222 yri Fri, 04 May 2012 13:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414222 Oh, great. I get to work in a Panopticon. On the plus side, for any Anglophiles, it will make PDX feel more British, I suppose. Oh, great. I get to work in a Panopticon.

On the plus side, for any Anglophiles, it will make PDX feel more British, I suppose.

]]> By: niktemadur http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414179 niktemadur Fri, 04 May 2012 12:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414179 <i>In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.</i> In any case (military or police), one of the key problems is "moral hazard". And that should apply to "regular" corporations also. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

In any case (military or police), one of the key problems is “moral hazard”. And that should apply to “regular” corporations also.

]]> By: howaboutthisdangit http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414176 howaboutthisdangit Fri, 04 May 2012 12:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414176 It does not matter what their stated intentions are, or what policies are put in place.  Policies can be changed easily enough.  History has shown that unless the permissible uses of these cameras are explicitly spelled out in law, they WILL be abused. Considering how selective many law enforcement agencies are when it comes to actually obeying and enforcing the law, laws may not be enough. It does not matter what their stated intentions are, or what policies are put in place.  Policies can be changed easily enough.  History has shown that unless the permissible uses of these cameras are explicitly spelled out in law, they WILL be abused.

Considering how selective many law enforcement agencies are when it comes to actually obeying and enforcing the law, laws may not be enough.

]]> By: Dick Move http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414139 Dick Move Fri, 04 May 2012 11:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414139 "Although the Portland Police Bureau has assured the city council that the mobile devices will be secure, they are proposing to have the system operated through a wi-fi network."Yeah, what could POSSIBLY go wrong there? “Although the Portland Police Bureau has assured the city council that the mobile devices will be secure, they are proposing to have the system operated through a wi-fi network.”Yeah, what could POSSIBLY go wrong there?

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414102 Antinous / Moderator Fri, 04 May 2012 10:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414102 He actually said military-industrial-<i>congressional</i> complex, so he pretty much covered the bases, even if he couldn't see the specifics. He actually said military-industrial-congressional complex, so he pretty much covered the bases, even if he couldn’t see the specifics.

]]> By: niktemadur http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414084 niktemadur Fri, 04 May 2012 09:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414084 Have they done it?  Because I only hear of this stuff happening in liberal-oriented cities, or minority neighborhoods. Have they done it?  Because I only hear of this stuff happening in liberal-oriented cities, or minority neighborhoods.

]]> By: niktemadur http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414083 niktemadur Fri, 04 May 2012 09:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414083 Eisenhower said "beware of the military industrial complex". This needs a new term, "beware of the domestic law enforcement complex", or something along those lines. Eisenhower said “beware of the military industrial complex”.
This needs a new term, “beware of the domestic law enforcement complex”, or something along those lines.

]]> By: niktemadur http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414078 niktemadur Fri, 04 May 2012 09:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414078 Weird as in "The dream of the nineties is alive in Portland", I take it to be your meaning? Oh man, it just popped out at me, the image of the mayor (Kyle McLachlan) kayaking to his Sunday brunch, what a delightful knee-slapper. Weird as in “The dream of the nineties is alive in Portland”, I take it to be your meaning?

Oh man, it just popped out at me, the image of the mayor (Kyle McLachlan) kayaking to his Sunday brunch, what a delightful knee-slapper.

]]> By: RightReverendRex http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414026 RightReverendRex Fri, 04 May 2012 07:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414026 Adams are the Portland Business Alliance want to make sure that no one lays down on a park bench or sidewalk. And can do so remotely! Pesky unhoused people drive the business away from all the empty storefronts. Adams are the Portland Business Alliance want to make sure that no one lays down on a park bench or sidewalk. And can do so remotely! Pesky unhoused people drive the business away from all the empty storefronts.

]]> By: Kip http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414025 Kip Fri, 04 May 2012 07:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414025 hold please hold please

]]> By: Daemonworks http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1414013 Daemonworks Fri, 04 May 2012 07:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1414013 Hasn't had a detterent effect anywhere else. Bound to work somewhere, right? Hasn’t had a detterent effect anywhere else. Bound to work somewhere, right?

]]> By: Melted Crayons http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1413960 Melted Crayons Fri, 04 May 2012 05:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1413960 This is a win for those who sell the cameras and service them.  Fear sells.  Fools buy. This is a win for those who sell the cameras and service them.  Fear sells.  Fools buy.

]]> By: Kiersi Burkhart http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1413920 Kiersi Burkhart Fri, 04 May 2012 04:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1413920 Clearly they haven't done their research; adding thousands of CCTVs in London did diddly squat for crime-busting. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/tens-of-thousands-of-cctv-cameras-yet-80-of-crime-unsolved-6684359.html Clearly they haven’t done their research; adding thousands of CCTVs in London did diddly squat for crime-busting. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/tens-of-thousands-of-cctv-cameras-yet-80-of-crime-unsolved-6684359.html

]]> By: byronotron http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1413886 byronotron Fri, 04 May 2012 04:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1413886 This is absurd, and you can COUNT on a public outcry And no less than a protest to block this. There's no way this will happen in one of the most liberal cities in the country. This is absurd, and you can COUNT on a public outcry And no less than a protest to block this. There’s no way this will happen in one of the most liberal cities in the country.

]]> By: travispulley http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1413872 travispulley Fri, 04 May 2012 03:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1413872 I have certain unfavorable biases with the Portland Police and the way the city does things with their help. But even then I don't find this very objectionable. I've lived in the areas that would be affected, and there are certain things that warrant a regular police presence. The things I've seen on any given night make for some pretty crazy stories. Also, there's a steady flow of intoxicated people from every race/class combo. I have certain unfavorable biases with the Portland Police and the way the city does things with their help. But even then I don’t find this very objectionable. I’ve lived in the areas that would be affected, and there are certain things that warrant a regular police presence. The things I’ve seen on any given night make for some pretty crazy stories. Also, there’s a steady flow of intoxicated people from every race/class combo.

]]> By: Donald Petersen http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1413867 Donald Petersen Fri, 04 May 2012 03:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1413867 Here's something I never hear about: if a bunch of these got installed in some heavily Libertarian Tea-Partied NRA-happy locale, would the cameras get shot out very often? You'd think they should. Here’s something I never hear about: if a bunch of these got installed in some heavily Libertarian Tea-Partied NRA-happy locale, would the cameras get shot out very often?

You’d think they should.

]]> By: JonS http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1413846 JonS Fri, 04 May 2012 03:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1413846 Schneier wrote about how awesome mass surveillance is back in 2008 http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/06/cctv_cameras.html tt;dr: it isn't very awesome at all Schneier wrote about how awesome mass surveillance is back in 2008
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/06/cctv_cameras.html

tt;dr: it isn’t very awesome at all

]]> By: Jason Baker http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1413831 Jason Baker Fri, 04 May 2012 03:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1413831 Well, at least maybe we can get a good parody clip of the whole thing out of Portlandia. Well, at least maybe we can get a good parody clip of the whole thing out of Portlandia.

]]> By: Pat Eisel http://boingboing.net/2012/05/03/portland-or-considers-ubiquit.html#comment-1413789 Pat Eisel Fri, 04 May 2012 02:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=158267#comment-1413789 Here at Security Concepts, we're predicting the end of crime in Old Detroit within 40 days. There's a new guy in town. His name is RoboCop. Here at Security Concepts, we’re predicting the end of crime in Old Detroit within 40 days. There’s a new guy in town. His name is RoboCop.

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