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	<title>Comments on: New Kansas abortion bill lets doctors lie to patients, withhold cancer&#160;treatment</title>
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		<title>By: yopd1</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1418122</link>
		<dc:creator>yopd1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, they&#039;ll keep the incubator on (Terry Schiavo) as long as her family has insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they&#8217;ll keep the incubator on (Terry Schiavo) as long as her family has insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1417187</link>
		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 06:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> you did, however, refer to me and anyone with a uterus as a &quot;speck of dust.&quot; why don&#039;t we get to be human, since we&#039;re the ones wandering into the doctor&#039;s office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> you did, however, refer to me and anyone with a uterus as a &#8220;speck of dust.&#8221; why don&#8217;t we get to be human, since we&#8217;re the ones wandering into the doctor&#8217;s office?</p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1417186</link>
		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 06:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> since when have millionaires made up the majority of any electorate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> since when have millionaires made up the majority of any electorate?</p>
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		<title>By: Nora Rocket</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416600</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora Rocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Kansas (too) and lived just south of Wichita during the Summer of Mercy. This *is*, I&#039;m sorry to say, the Kansas I know - though it&#039;s not the fine freak state tradition that my whole family, still there, upholds. Me and my earning potential and my tax money and my human capital and my womb, well, we don&#039;t live there anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Kansas (too) and lived just south of Wichita during the Summer of Mercy. This *is*, I&#8217;m sorry to say, the Kansas I know &#8211; though it&#8217;s not the fine freak state tradition that my whole family, still there, upholds. Me and my earning potential and my tax money and my human capital and my womb, well, we don&#8217;t live there anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: BBNinja</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416595</link>
		<dc:creator>BBNinja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kansas is backwards as crap, one of the nation&#039;s leaders in teen preggos (44 in 1000) but even they take offense to the Westboro inbred nuthouse. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kansas is backwards as crap, one of the nation&#8217;s leaders in teen preggos (44 in 1000) but even they take offense to the Westboro inbred nuthouse. </p>
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		<title>By: BBNinja</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416588</link>
		<dc:creator>BBNinja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like all those 14 year olds in &quot;major league gaming&quot; call themselves &quot;professional gamers&quot; yet their vocabulary seems to be limited to just the word &quot;gay&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like all those 14 year olds in &#8220;major league gaming&#8221; call themselves &#8220;professional gamers&#8221; yet their vocabulary seems to be limited to just the word &#8220;gay&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marja Erwin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416524</link>
		<dc:creator>Marja Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And some folks can&#039;t turn to most churches even if they do believe the same things. People who are lesbian or gay, people who are autistic, people who are trans or intersex, people who are living with ptsd...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And some folks can&#8217;t turn to most churches even if they do believe the same things. People who are lesbian or gay, people who are autistic, people who are trans or intersex, people who are living with ptsd&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416512</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education via church: homeschooling
Healthcare via church: prayer

&lt;i&gt;I suppose you might get half-hearted help from a church so long as you joined that church and agreed to embrace whatever dogma they sell.&lt;/i&gt;

Yep, that&#039;s the HINT HINT part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education via church: homeschooling<br />
Healthcare via church: prayer</p>
<p><i>I suppose you might get half-hearted help from a church so long as you joined that church and agreed to embrace whatever dogma they sell.</i></p>
<p>Yep, that&#8217;s the HINT HINT part.</p>
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		<title>By: WillieNelsonMandela</title>
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		<dc:creator>WillieNelsonMandela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had nothing but positive experiences in Kansas, particularly Lawrence. I can&#039;t hold a grudge against an entire state just because I disagree with some of their politicians. Every state has or has had political creeps at some point. Hang in there, KS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had nothing but positive experiences in Kansas, particularly Lawrence. I can&#8217;t hold a grudge against an entire state just because I disagree with some of their politicians. Every state has or has had political creeps at some point. Hang in there, KS.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416456</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect their issues in Kansas with big government don&#039;t include crop subsidies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect their issues in Kansas with big government don&#8217;t include crop subsidies.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416454</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As my mother used to say &quot;They had to be born again because they came out so shitty the first time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As my mother used to say &#8220;They had to be born again because they came out so shitty the first time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marja Erwin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416409</link>
		<dc:creator>Marja Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering how anyone can remain rational-minded.

It&#039;s as if some are destroying the world, with warfare, global-warming-denial, peak-oil-denial, overfishing, etc. ... And the rest of us are left with no rational response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering how anyone can remain rational-minded.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if some are destroying the world, with warfare, global-warming-denial, peak-oil-denial, overfishing, etc. &#8230; And the rest of us are left with no rational response.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Koerth-Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Koerth-Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t the Kansas I know and I am incredibly ashamed right now. And also infuriated. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t the Kansas I know and I am incredibly ashamed right now. And also infuriated. </p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416351</link>
		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope doctors have a better understanding of medical ethics and the Hippocratic Oath than politicians do. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope doctors have a better understanding of medical ethics and the Hippocratic Oath than politicians do. </p>
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		<title>By: J. Brad Hicks</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416342</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Brad Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things, closely related:

One, I&#039;ve been saying for a lot of years that people who say &quot;a fetus is a person with full human rights&quot; mostly don&#039;t mean it, and you can tell, because they don&#039;t act like it.

Two, on the other hand, some of them actually do believe it, and you can tell, because this IS how you act if you believe that anything that kills a fetus is murder, manslaughter, or negligent homicide. If you truly believe &quot;abortion is murder!&quot; then you don&#039;t say &quot;abortion is murder! but murder is okay in this circumstance, or in that circumstance, or ...&quot;

What we&#039;re reaping here is the consequences of our failure to engage the religious right on a false scientific assertion of theirs: the decades out of date assertion that once the sperm cell fuses with the egg cell, what you have right there and then is a fully formed human being that just needs to grow up. It&#039;s a scientific assertion that grows out of Watson and Crick&#039;s misleading and downright false claim that the DNA molecule is &quot;the blueprint for life.&quot;

It is, in fact, no such thing, which is why you can&#039;t fertilize an embryo in vitro and grow a person in a petri dish. If you try it, as soon as the embryo reaches the point where cell differentiation should begin, it dies, for lack of the chemical signals that tell it how to grow into a human being. Look up &quot;epigenetics.&quot; DNA is not a blueprint for life, it is a random-number seed, or at best the #include file that defines a couple of variables, leaving out all of the constants and the code.

But we let them have that point, and now we have a steadily increasing number of voters who think that IUDs and hormonal birth control kill babies, because they think that an unimplanted fertilized egg is a baby. And we do not have time to educate them out of it. Which leaves us looking, to them, like we are arguing just what I said above, that sometimes killing babies is better than not killing babies, an argument so repulsive that it practically invites the comparison to 19th century African-American slavery. And that&#039;s why we&#039;re going to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things, closely related:</p>
<p>One, I&#8217;ve been saying for a lot of years that people who say &#8220;a fetus is a person with full human rights&#8221; mostly don&#8217;t mean it, and you can tell, because they don&#8217;t act like it.</p>
<p>Two, on the other hand, some of them actually do believe it, and you can tell, because this IS how you act if you believe that anything that kills a fetus is murder, manslaughter, or negligent homicide. If you truly believe &#8220;abortion is murder!&#8221; then you don&#8217;t say &#8220;abortion is murder! but murder is okay in this circumstance, or in that circumstance, or &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What we&#8217;re reaping here is the consequences of our failure to engage the religious right on a false scientific assertion of theirs: the decades out of date assertion that once the sperm cell fuses with the egg cell, what you have right there and then is a fully formed human being that just needs to grow up. It&#8217;s a scientific assertion that grows out of Watson and Crick&#8217;s misleading and downright false claim that the DNA molecule is &#8220;the blueprint for life.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is, in fact, no such thing, which is why you can&#8217;t fertilize an embryo in vitro and grow a person in a petri dish. If you try it, as soon as the embryo reaches the point where cell differentiation should begin, it dies, for lack of the chemical signals that tell it how to grow into a human being. Look up &#8220;epigenetics.&#8221; DNA is not a blueprint for life, it is a random-number seed, or at best the #include file that defines a couple of variables, leaving out all of the constants and the code.</p>
<p>But we let them have that point, and now we have a steadily increasing number of voters who think that IUDs and hormonal birth control kill babies, because they think that an unimplanted fertilized egg is a baby. And we do not have time to educate them out of it. Which leaves us looking, to them, like we are arguing just what I said above, that sometimes killing babies is better than not killing babies, an argument so repulsive that it practically invites the comparison to 19th century African-American slavery. And that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re going to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: IronEdithKidd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416340</link>
		<dc:creator>IronEdithKidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 12:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason I continually have to point out that American far-right religious conservatives are masters of projection.  (And they&#039;re no slouches at the game of transference, either.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason I continually have to point out that American far-right religious conservatives are masters of projection.  (And they&#8217;re no slouches at the game of transference, either.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Lange</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Lange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf? </p>
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		<title>By: Silver Fang</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416324</link>
		<dc:creator>Silver Fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 11:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the eyes of republicans, women are nothing more than brood mares. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the eyes of republicans, women are nothing more than brood mares. </p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416315</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 10:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely! And let&#039;s get the deicide right this time!</description>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416312</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 10:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought Yahweh was a joker God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought Yahweh was a joker God.</p>
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		<title>By: JonS</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416297</link>
		<dc:creator>JonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 08:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I&#039;m not especially wild about my Government, what with asset sales and that whole ongoing Kim .com/Megaupload fiasco, but sometimes they do come out with some good stuff:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2517962/government-provides-costings-of-welfare-changes.asx

The dollar amounts will sound trivially small to most foreign ears, but NZ has a pretty small population :D </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I&#8217;m not especially wild about my Government, what with asset sales and that whole ongoing Kim .com/Megaupload fiasco, but sometimes they do come out with some good stuff:<br />
<a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2517962/government-provides-costings-of-welfare-changes.asx" rel="nofollow">http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2517962/government-provides-costings-of-welfare-changes.asx</a></p>
<p>The dollar amounts will sound trivially small to most foreign ears, but NZ has a pretty small population :D </p>
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		<title>By: EvilTerran</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilTerran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Well put, That An(gry/onymous) Coward.</description>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/06/new-kansas-abortion-bill-lets.html#comment-1416289</link>
		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 08:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is based on control.  
A large swath of &quot;religious&quot; type people do not believe in abortion, and feel they have the right to make everyone follow their beliefs.
These are the same types you see screaming how all Muslims are trying to get Sharia Law to be the law of then land, how we should not let a religious law take our our great nation.  They tend to trail off before mentioning how the law should be based on their flavor of &quot;religion&quot;.
They vote in giant blocks following the will of their leaders, who still manage to enjoy tax free status despite spreading political messages and the like, who tell them what is best for them.  They demonize anyone who does not agree with them, or who points out the simple fact it is wrong to impose through law your religious beliefs on others.
These men support this issue because they fear being cast out and not getting the support.  You can find them violating those ideals secretly in their own lives, but publicly they push this idea forward.
It comes back to the idea of &quot;the other&quot;.  &quot;The other&quot; is the reason your life went bad.  They are the reason you can&#039;t have nice things.  They are the reason for all of the bad.  This lets them deflect responsibility for the problems to &quot;the others&quot; rather than accept we made a series of decisions that ended up screwing us.
Personal responsibility is dead, it is always &quot;the others&quot; fault and they should be sued and cast out!

It is not our fault we cut sex education out of the schools to appease a vocal group and then our teen birthrate jumped.  It is the parents job to teach these things!  Except parents expect everyone else to raise their children now, unless you want to mention condoms.

It is not our fault we gave tax cuts to a corporation who polluted our land and water because we cut regulation to, but as a tax payer you have to pay more to get the water safe to drink again.  If we go after the corporation they will leave and take their tax money away!  (Ignoring how many of them pay rates under 5%).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is based on control. <br />
A large swath of &#8220;religious&#8221; type people do not believe in abortion, and feel they have the right to make everyone follow their beliefs.<br />
These are the same types you see screaming how all Muslims are trying to get Sharia Law to be the law of then land, how we should not let a religious law take our our great nation.  They tend to trail off before mentioning how the law should be based on their flavor of &#8220;religion&#8221;.<br />
They vote in giant blocks following the will of their leaders, who still manage to enjoy tax free status despite spreading political messages and the like, who tell them what is best for them.  They demonize anyone who does not agree with them, or who points out the simple fact it is wrong to impose through law your religious beliefs on others.<br />
These men support this issue because they fear being cast out and not getting the support.  You can find them violating those ideals secretly in their own lives, but publicly they push this idea forward.<br />
It comes back to the idea of &#8220;the other&#8221;.  &#8220;The other&#8221; is the reason your life went bad.  They are the reason you can&#8217;t have nice things.  They are the reason for all of the bad.  This lets them deflect responsibility for the problems to &#8220;the others&#8221; rather than accept we made a series of decisions that ended up screwing us.<br />
Personal responsibility is dead, it is always &#8220;the others&#8221; fault and they should be sued and cast out!</p>
<p>It is not our fault we cut sex education out of the schools to appease a vocal group and then our teen birthrate jumped.  It is the parents job to teach these things!  Except parents expect everyone else to raise their children now, unless you want to mention condoms.</p>
<p>It is not our fault we gave tax cuts to a corporation who polluted our land and water because we cut regulation to, but as a tax payer you have to pay more to get the water safe to drink again.  If we go after the corporation they will leave and take their tax money away!  (Ignoring how many of them pay rates under 5%).</p>
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		<title>By: MissKitty1138</title>
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		<dc:creator>MissKitty1138</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 07:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 24 hour &quot;waiting period&quot; is ridiculous. By the time a woman makes the initial visit to the clinic, she either already knows she is pregnant, or is finding out that  she is pregnant. A woman cannot simply walk into a clinic and have an abortion upon demand. It doesn&#039;t work that way. So the 24 hour &quot;waiting period&quot; is simply another onus being imposed on a woman who has made the difficult decision to end her pregnancy. It serves no one except to delight those that want to punish women for having the audacity to have sex.

Same with the required vaginal ultrasound. Not only could the procedure possibly cause problems, it serves no purpose other than making anti-choicers cackle with glee. Women are not stupid. They know what a pregnancy is, and they know what an abortion is. Forcing them to have an ultrasound (that they must pay for) is nothing less than a violation of the right to bodily sovereignty when it comes to medical decisions. This is a right that should be inviolate for ALL individuals (and it is, for everyone except pregnant women).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 24 hour &#8220;waiting period&#8221; is ridiculous. By the time a woman makes the initial visit to the clinic, she either already knows she is pregnant, or is finding out that  she is pregnant. A woman cannot simply walk into a clinic and have an abortion upon demand. It doesn&#8217;t work that way. So the 24 hour &#8220;waiting period&#8221; is simply another onus being imposed on a woman who has made the difficult decision to end her pregnancy. It serves no one except to delight those that want to punish women for having the audacity to have sex.</p>
<p>Same with the required vaginal ultrasound. Not only could the procedure possibly cause problems, it serves no purpose other than making anti-choicers cackle with glee. Women are not stupid. They know what a pregnancy is, and they know what an abortion is. Forcing them to have an ultrasound (that they must pay for) is nothing less than a violation of the right to bodily sovereignty when it comes to medical decisions. This is a right that should be inviolate for ALL individuals (and it is, for everyone except pregnant women).</p>
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		<title>By: MissKitty1138</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 07:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dominionists go out of their way to scream about &quot;Sharia law&quot; being imposed on Americans (it isn&#039;t) while they then turn around and try to impose their version of religious law on America. Two sides of one coin, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dominionists go out of their way to scream about &#8220;Sharia law&#8221; being imposed on Americans (it isn&#8217;t) while they then turn around and try to impose their version of religious law on America. Two sides of one coin, really.</p>
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		<title>By: MissKitty1138</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 07:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Quite frankly, I believe it would be best for the US if some of these more reactionary states - Kansas, Arizona, most of the South - seceded from the Union. It would be interesting to see who would go with them. And who would beg to come back once they realized that their tax base doesn&#039;t support their dystopian ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Quite frankly, I believe it would be best for the US if some of these more reactionary states &#8211; Kansas, Arizona, most of the South &#8211; seceded from the Union. It would be interesting to see who would go with them. And who would beg to come back once they realized that their tax base doesn&#8217;t support their dystopian ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Duncan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 07:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Hell to me.</description>
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		<title>By: MissKitty1138</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 07:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I reread my post and I see nowhere that I called HCPs (nor anyone else) &quot;mean and uncaring&quot;. Please do not reply to me and base your response on something that was never said.

Whether or not the zygote/embryo/fetus is &quot;a person&quot; is irrelevant. I am a person. You are a person. Yet I cannot demand that you donate so much as a drop of blood to me, even if in doing so, you would save my life. That&#039;s because everyone has the right to make medical decisions for and about their own bodies, including what risks they are willing to take.

People (including children) on the UNOS list die every day because they do not receive a donor organ in time. However, just because these people will die without a donated organ does not mean that they can demand or require another person to donate that organ. Again, that is because each of us has the right to make medical decisions for and about our own bodies, and to decide what risks we are willing to take. We cannot even be required to donate any part of our body after our deaths. This is called bodily autonomy. Each individual is allowed to make their decisions based on their own personal code of ethics and beliefs. I don&#039;t want someone else having the right to make decisions about MY body and MY health based on THEIR personal code of ethics and beliefs. Do you?

So why should a woman be required to donate the whole of her body for nine months, especially if in doing so, she endangers her own life? Even in the US, pregnancy and childbirth represent very real risk to the woman. If she CHOOSES to continue the pregnancy, that&#039;s her right. If she CHOOSES not to do so, that is also her right. As no PERSON can require any other PERSON to risk their health/life in order to save their own life, why should a fetus - which some people insist is &quot;a person&quot; - have that right? 

And of course, the fetus wouldn&#039;t really be the one making the demands; rather, the demands would come from people who have absolutely ZERO risk or responsibility in the pregnancy and ZERO risk or responsibility once the pregnancy comes to term. Would you want a stranger making medical decisions about YOUR body? About YOUR health? I know I wouldn&#039;t. In fact, we have many laws that protect the right to bodily autonomy in relation to medical decisions. Would you want to see those laws struck down? Would you want someone else to have the right to insist that you donate your blood; or part of your liver; or a kidney? Would you want someone else to decide that one of your loved ones should be required to do so?

An egg is not a chicken. An acorn is not a tree. A fetus is not an autonomous person. Certainly all of these things have the POTENTIAL to become an egg, a tree, an autonomous person, but POTENTIAL is not the same thing as REALIZATION.

I would NOT want a HCP to make the decision whether or not to tell me I have cancer if s/he is doing so based on his/her personally code of ethics and beliefs. They should not have that right. I do not want a pharmacist to have the &quot;right&quot; to refuse to fill a legally written Rx from a licensed HCP based solely upon their personally CHOSEN code of ethics or beliefs.

Where would this stop? Would firefighters and cops have the right to deny help to people if the beliefs of the people that needed their help were against their personal code of ethics or beliefs? Would teachers have the right to decline to educate people who did not share their beliefs? Would we have to have separate buses, planes, etc., each driven or piloted by people of certain beliefs solely for the people who shared their beliefs? Separate dining establishments, supermarkets, etc., so no one would have to serve people they didn&#039;t agree with?

Do you see how this could get very ridiculous very quickly? 

I lived during the 60s and well remember the civil unrest, based on the belief of some that people with different colored skin were unequal. I do not want to see a return to those times, and I worry about anyone who does.

Just keep in mind that while you might agree with those that want to curtail the rights of others, you may not always be immune to this discrimination.

First they came for the communists,

and I didn&#039;t speak out because I wasn&#039;t a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn&#039;t speak out because I wasn&#039;t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn&#039;t speak out because I wasn&#039;t a Jew.
Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I reread my post and I see nowhere that I called HCPs (nor anyone else) &#8220;mean and uncaring&#8221;. Please do not reply to me and base your response on something that was never said.</p>
<p>Whether or not the zygote/embryo/fetus is &#8220;a person&#8221; is irrelevant. I am a person. You are a person. Yet I cannot demand that you donate so much as a drop of blood to me, even if in doing so, you would save my life. That&#8217;s because everyone has the right to make medical decisions for and about their own bodies, including what risks they are willing to take.</p>
<p>People (including children) on the UNOS list die every day because they do not receive a donor organ in time. However, just because these people will die without a donated organ does not mean that they can demand or require another person to donate that organ. Again, that is because each of us has the right to make medical decisions for and about our own bodies, and to decide what risks we are willing to take. We cannot even be required to donate any part of our body after our deaths. This is called bodily autonomy. Each individual is allowed to make their decisions based on their own personal code of ethics and beliefs. I don&#8217;t want someone else having the right to make decisions about MY body and MY health based on THEIR personal code of ethics and beliefs. Do you?</p>
<p>So why should a woman be required to donate the whole of her body for nine months, especially if in doing so, she endangers her own life? Even in the US, pregnancy and childbirth represent very real risk to the woman. If she CHOOSES to continue the pregnancy, that&#8217;s her right. If she CHOOSES not to do so, that is also her right. As no PERSON can require any other PERSON to risk their health/life in order to save their own life, why should a fetus &#8211; which some people insist is &#8220;a person&#8221; &#8211; have that right? </p>
<p>And of course, the fetus wouldn&#8217;t really be the one making the demands; rather, the demands would come from people who have absolutely ZERO risk or responsibility in the pregnancy and ZERO risk or responsibility once the pregnancy comes to term. Would you want a stranger making medical decisions about YOUR body? About YOUR health? I know I wouldn&#8217;t. In fact, we have many laws that protect the right to bodily autonomy in relation to medical decisions. Would you want to see those laws struck down? Would you want someone else to have the right to insist that you donate your blood; or part of your liver; or a kidney? Would you want someone else to decide that one of your loved ones should be required to do so?</p>
<p>An egg is not a chicken. An acorn is not a tree. A fetus is not an autonomous person. Certainly all of these things have the POTENTIAL to become an egg, a tree, an autonomous person, but POTENTIAL is not the same thing as REALIZATION.</p>
<p>I would NOT want a HCP to make the decision whether or not to tell me I have cancer if s/he is doing so based on his/her personally code of ethics and beliefs. They should not have that right. I do not want a pharmacist to have the &#8220;right&#8221; to refuse to fill a legally written Rx from a licensed HCP based solely upon their personally CHOSEN code of ethics or beliefs.</p>
<p>Where would this stop? Would firefighters and cops have the right to deny help to people if the beliefs of the people that needed their help were against their personal code of ethics or beliefs? Would teachers have the right to decline to educate people who did not share their beliefs? Would we have to have separate buses, planes, etc., each driven or piloted by people of certain beliefs solely for the people who shared their beliefs? Separate dining establishments, supermarkets, etc., so no one would have to serve people they didn&#8217;t agree with?</p>
<p>Do you see how this could get very ridiculous very quickly? </p>
<p>I lived during the 60s and well remember the civil unrest, based on the belief of some that people with different colored skin were unequal. I do not want to see a return to those times, and I worry about anyone who does.</p>
<p>Just keep in mind that while you might agree with those that want to curtail the rights of others, you may not always be immune to this discrimination.</p>
<p>First they came for the communists,</p>
<p>and I didn&#8217;t speak out because I wasn&#8217;t a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists,</p>
<p>and I didn&#8217;t speak out because I wasn&#8217;t a trade unionist.<br />
Then they came for the Jews,</p>
<p>and I didn&#8217;t speak out because I wasn&#8217;t a Jew.<br />
Then they came for me</p>
<p>and there was no one left to speak out for me.</p>
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		<title>By: MissKitty1138</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 07:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> What are you talking about? You can get what from a church? Education and healthcare? Really? 

I suppose you might get half-hearted help from a church so long as you joined that church and agreed to embrace whatever dogma they sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> What are you talking about? You can get what from a church? Education and healthcare? Really? </p>
<p>I suppose you might get half-hearted help from a church so long as you joined that church and agreed to embrace whatever dogma they sell.</p>
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		<title>By: rawbacon2</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 06:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I remember fondly from living in the mountains of Idaho, was the tobacco-shop at the local indian reservation, such variety, so cheap.
AFAIK they could do that, because their land is designated federal/sovereign nation?
And AFAIK abortion is legal on the federal level.
So why not put up clinics on reservations? Sure, it&#039;s a silly solution to a stupid problem, but still, it&#039;s gotta be better than nothing. Plus it might bring some income and maybe some native americans would get a kick out of sticking it to the man.
Of course, for all I know, they might all be pro-lifers. It wouldn&#039;t hurt to ask though.
Wait a minute, aren&#039;t military bases and federal offices on federal land? At least there, there would be less of a security issue.. although I&#039;m pretty sure the army is pro-life, at least to begin with..
Are federal prisons on federal land?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I remember fondly from living in the mountains of Idaho, was the tobacco-shop at the local indian reservation, such variety, so cheap.<br />
AFAIK they could do that, because their land is designated federal/sovereign nation?<br />
And AFAIK abortion is legal on the federal level.<br />
So why not put up clinics on reservations? Sure, it&#8217;s a silly solution to a stupid problem, but still, it&#8217;s gotta be better than nothing. Plus it might bring some income and maybe some native americans would get a kick out of sticking it to the man.<br />
Of course, for all I know, they might all be pro-lifers. It wouldn&#8217;t hurt to ask though.<br />
Wait a minute, aren&#8217;t military bases and federal offices on federal land? At least there, there would be less of a security issue.. although I&#8217;m pretty sure the army is pro-life, at least to begin with..<br />
Are federal prisons on federal land?</p>
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