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		<title>By: kc dyer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/07/the-honeybees-are-still-dying.html#comment-1422471</link>
		<dc:creator>kc dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Hannah...on a totally different tack, I was inspired by your piece to write a story for my Bedtime Stories podcast. Just posted tonight. Here, if you&#039;d care to listen: http://www.kcdyer.com/blog/2012/5/11/bedtime-story-closing-time.html

~kc </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Hannah&#8230;on a totally different tack, I was inspired by your piece to write a story for my Bedtime Stories podcast. Just posted tonight. Here, if you&#8217;d care to listen: <a href="http://www.kcdyer.com/blog/2012/5/11/bedtime-story-closing-time.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kcdyer.com/blog/2012/5/11/bedtime-story-closing-time.html</a></p>
<p>~kc </p>
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		<title>By: Xaris Froso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xaris Froso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m no scientist but if you ask bee people where i live, they will tell you that hives thrive in places where there is no cellphone coverage and they dwindle where there is a strong singal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m no scientist but if you ask bee people where i live, they will tell you that hives thrive in places where there is no cellphone coverage and they dwindle where there is a strong singal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Carlson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 05:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> All of you are jackasses!! &lt;--- *A Message from the supreme Grey.*
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> All of you are jackasses!! &lt;&#8212; *A Message from the supreme Grey.*</p>
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		<title>By: tawster</title>
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		<dc:creator>tawster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you confirmed my thoughts far better than I could articulate them apparently. The *behavioral* traits win out over time... with the effect of replacing the genetic profile of a hive over time. Faster drones, shorter gestation, aggressive swarming/&quot;invasion&quot; of a hive, etc. etc.

Interesting article, it&#039;s fascinating that there is evidence that queens preferentially choose africanized sperm first!?!? What? Gah!

As for range, the local college here (apiculture program entomologist) suggested that the range could extend to Canada based on the adaptability shown by africanized, established colonies that had migrated into mountainous regions at surprising elevations. That being said, we&#039;ll see, one way or another. :)

Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you confirmed my thoughts far better than I could articulate them apparently. The *behavioral* traits win out over time&#8230; with the effect of replacing the genetic profile of a hive over time. Faster drones, shorter gestation, aggressive swarming/&#8221;invasion&#8221; of a hive, etc. etc.</p>
<p>Interesting article, it&#8217;s fascinating that there is evidence that queens preferentially choose africanized sperm first!?!? What? Gah!</p>
<p>As for range, the local college here (apiculture program entomologist) suggested that the range could extend to Canada based on the adaptability shown by africanized, established colonies that had migrated into mountainous regions at surprising elevations. That being said, we&#8217;ll see, one way or another. :)</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: jenny i</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/07/the-honeybees-are-still-dying.html#comment-1419151</link>
		<dc:creator>jenny i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Original article: http://www.naturalnews.com/035688_Monsanto_honey_bees_colony_collapse.html </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Original article: <a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/035688_Monsanto_honey_bees_colony_collapse.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.naturalnews.com/035688_Monsanto_honey_bees_colony_collapse.html</a> </p>
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		<title>By: jenny i</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/07/the-honeybees-are-still-dying.html#comment-1419148</link>
		<dc:creator>jenny i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link to that article: http://consumerist.com/2012/04/monsanto-blamed-for-bee-population-collapse-so-it-buys-bee-research-firm.html </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link to that article: <a href="http://consumerist.com/2012/04/monsanto-blamed-for-bee-population-collapse-so-it-buys-bee-research-firm.html" rel="nofollow">http://consumerist.com/2012/04/monsanto-blamed-for-bee-population-collapse-so-it-buys-bee-research-firm.html</a> </p>
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		<title>By: jenny i</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/07/the-honeybees-are-still-dying.html#comment-1419143</link>
		<dc:creator>jenny i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile,  Monsanto Blamed For Bee Population Collapse, So It Buys Bee Research Firm ( Beeologics, a major international research firm devoted to studying and protecting bees). Hmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile,  Monsanto Blamed For Bee Population Collapse, So It Buys Bee Research Firm ( Beeologics, a major international research firm devoted to studying and protecting bees). Hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: catgrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>catgrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to correct you tawser, but your information is bad. According to the USDA, &quot;while substantial hybridization does occur when AHBs first move into areas with strong resident EHB populations, over time European traits tend to be lost.&quot; That&#039;s due in part to the EHB queens mating disproportionately with AHB drones. The larger, more aggressive and dominant bees take over EHB hives from within and basically usurp existing colonies. In total, the USDA found six ways in which AHB disrupt EHB colonies.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/ar/archive/mar04/bees0304.htm

So, the only calming going on has to do with individual hives. Remember, AHB&#039;s are already the result of an initial experiment wherein a European queen was artificially-inseminated by a fully-African drone. They&#039;re not behaving differently than they would in another location. This trait of swarming and then taking over existing colonies is just a part of their standard behavior.

In addition, we understand little about how far the bees can honestly travel northward. In the southern hemisphere they only range south as far as 34 degrees S. That corresponds with Atlanta, Georgia in the northern hemisphere, but further south than that there&#039;s proportionately little land mass and human population drops off. As of 2012, they&#039;d already been found in both Tennessee and Oklahoma. It&#039;s true that the bees don&#039;t overwinter well, but the larger land mass and ready accessibility of heated buildings in the U.S. may provide housing for them to continue their northern trek much farther than they they could in the southern hemisphere.

AHBs do show increased resilience to varroa mites, and have been studied for this. They are susceptible to CCD, it just doesn&#039;t get reported here because we don&#039;t keep them in the U.S. Beekeepers in Brazil have reported CCD in some hives.   The biggest advantage that AHBs have over EHBs is simply their trait of usurping existing colonies. EHBs currently have a much broader range of travel and the ability to safely overwinter in fully frozen climates. Right now the EHBs are losing the battle because they&#039;re not just battling the AHBs, but also: pesticides, mites, viruses, fungi, etc. They really need us to give them every consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to correct you tawser, but your information is bad. According to the USDA, &#8221;while substantial hybridization does occur when AHBs first move into areas with strong resident EHB populations, over time European traits tend to be lost.&#8221; That&#8217;s due in part to the EHB queens mating disproportionately with AHB drones. The larger, more aggressive and dominant bees take over EHB hives from within and basically usurp existing colonies. In total, the USDA found six ways in which AHB disrupt EHB colonies.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/ar/archive/mar04/bees0304.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/ar/archive/mar04/bees0304.htm</a></p>
<p>So, the only calming going on has to do with individual hives. Remember, AHB&#8217;s are already the result of an initial experiment wherein a European queen was artificially-inseminated by a fully-African drone. They&#8217;re not behaving differently than they would in another location. This trait of swarming and then taking over existing colonies is just a part of their standard behavior.</p>
<p>In addition, we understand little about how far the bees can honestly travel northward. In the southern hemisphere they only range south as far as 34 degrees S. That corresponds with Atlanta, Georgia in the northern hemisphere, but further south than that there&#8217;s proportionately little land mass and human population drops off. As of 2012, they&#8217;d already been found in both Tennessee and Oklahoma. It&#8217;s true that the bees don&#8217;t overwinter well, but the larger land mass and ready accessibility of heated buildings in the U.S. may provide housing for them to continue their northern trek much farther than they they could in the southern hemisphere.</p>
<p>AHBs do show increased resilience to varroa mites, and have been studied for this. They are susceptible to CCD, it just doesn&#8217;t get reported here because we don&#8217;t keep them in the U.S. Beekeepers in Brazil have reported CCD in some hives.   The biggest advantage that AHBs have over EHBs is simply their trait of usurping existing colonies. EHBs currently have a much broader range of travel and the ability to safely overwinter in fully frozen climates. Right now the EHBs are losing the battle because they&#8217;re not just battling the AHBs, but also: pesticides, mites, viruses, fungi, etc. They really need us to give them every consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah Nordhaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah Nordhaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was June 09. European honeybees have since experienced similar mortality to those in the US. And again, not saying neonics aren&#039;t bad for bees and don&#039;t have sublethal effects--these studies indicate clearly that they do--just that we can not say at this point that the &quot;mystery is solved&quot; and they are the primary cause of CCD or the general honeybee losses (often conflated with CCD) in the last eight years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was June 09. European honeybees have since experienced similar mortality to those in the US. And again, not saying neonics aren&#8217;t bad for bees and don&#8217;t have sublethal effects&#8211;these studies indicate clearly that they do&#8211;just that we can not say at this point that the &#8220;mystery is solved&#8221; and they are the primary cause of CCD or the general honeybee losses (often conflated with CCD) in the last eight years.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah Nordhaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah Nordhaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the original article from which the book evolved. 20 times shorter though obviously not as detailed: http://www.hcn.org/issues/342/16891 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the original article from which the book evolved. 20 times shorter though obviously not as detailed: http://www.hcn.org/issues/342/16891 </p>
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		<title>By: wibbled_pig</title>
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		<dc:creator>wibbled_pig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> You need a lot of beehives, especially considering things like winter, and other natural causes of hive collapse, to keep a large farm well pollinated. 

Keeping a few hives is easy, keeping a few hundred is much more difficult, especially when you need to keep them distributed throughout your orchards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You need a lot of beehives, especially considering things like winter, and other natural causes of hive collapse, to keep a large farm well pollinated. </p>
<p>Keeping a few hives is easy, keeping a few hundred is much more difficult, especially when you need to keep them distributed throughout your orchards.</p>
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		<title>By: tawster</title>
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		<dc:creator>tawster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what happening. At least, from what I can see. Right now... it looks like the science is headed down a constructive path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what happening. At least, from what I can see. Right now&#8230; it looks like the science is headed down a constructive path.</p>
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		<title>By: tawster</title>
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		<dc:creator>tawster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. This breeding program looks to be a winner. Hopefully it will help speed adaptation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. This breeding program looks to be a winner. Hopefully it will help speed adaptation.</p>
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		<title>By: tawster</title>
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		<dc:creator>tawster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Africanized bees, as they have marched northward, have calmed a hair... just a hair. That aggressive gene is a very dominant one.

The projections I have seen have shown a northern boundary that closely approximates the Canadian border. It&#039;s an estimate. But yeah... all the way up the continental USA. Yippee! ;) And with warming trends, probably deep into Canada. And if they keep interbreeding with European bees... they could be more adaptable to those colder climes anyway.

Resilent? Africanized bees are superior (evolutionarily speaking) to European honey bees in almost every conceivable way. In some ways that is a good thing, in others... not so much. Great for bees, bad for humans. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Africanized bees, as they have marched northward, have calmed a hair&#8230; just a hair. That aggressive gene is a very dominant one.</p>
<p>The projections I have seen have shown a northern boundary that closely approximates the Canadian border. It&#8217;s an estimate. But yeah&#8230; all the way up the continental USA. Yippee! ;) And with warming trends, probably deep into Canada. And if they keep interbreeding with European bees&#8230; they could be more adaptable to those colder climes anyway.</p>
<p>Resilent? Africanized bees are superior (evolutionarily speaking) to European honey bees in almost every conceivable way. In some ways that is a good thing, in others&#8230; not so much. Great for bees, bad for humans. :)</p>
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		<title>By: cousin229</title>
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		<dc:creator>cousin229</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Set up a few Mason Bee Houses that you can build in your property and your trees will be producing again without extra work for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Set up a few Mason Bee Houses that you can build in your property and your trees will be producing again without extra work for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules McWyrm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules McWyrm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Beekeeping per se isn&#039;t practiced on the same industrial scale except in a very few other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Beekeeping per se isn&#8217;t practiced on the same industrial scale except in a very few other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules McWyrm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules McWyrm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> You know this really isn&#039;t true. Even without &#039;modern industrial methods&#039; a field of wheat or corn or oats simply isn&#039;t going to support a hive. A field of soybeans isn&#039;t going to do much better.

People were practicing migratory beekeeping long before the advent of modern agriculture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You know this really isn&#8217;t true. Even without &#8216;modern industrial methods&#8217; a field of wheat or corn or oats simply isn&#8217;t going to support a hive. A field of soybeans isn&#8217;t going to do much better.</p>
<p>People were practicing migratory beekeeping long before the advent of modern agriculture.</p>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 03:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I think thats why we need science working hard on the problem and ignoring all of the outside interests who want to make sure that it never appears they are at fault.  We really need to get past spending so much time to assign blame &quot;correctly&quot; and instead focus on finding the problem, getting the solution and putting it to work.  Then everyone involved can use their PR spin machines however they want once its solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I think thats why we need science working hard on the problem and ignoring all of the outside interests who want to make sure that it never appears they are at fault.  We really need to get past spending so much time to assign blame &#8220;correctly&#8221; and instead focus on finding the problem, getting the solution and putting it to work.  Then everyone involved can use their PR spin machines however they want once its solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Ninabi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ninabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I understand,  we are taming these Africanized bees somewhat by removing the more aggressive hives- the ones that go on the attack are the ones that definitely get removed.    Is the Africanized bee a viable alternative to the traditional, placid honeybees used as commercial pollinators or are they simply too aggressive? Will there be a limit to their northern range if they prefer warm weather?  Will global warming further extend their range northward?  I didn&#039;t realize they were as far north as TN and Oklahoma.   

The bees here reproduce more quickly and swarm more often.  I was told all domestic beekeeping in the area involved the Africanized bees.    Is it merely my limited observations that these bees more resilient (there are a lot of them and disturbing a hive by accident is a worry) or are they suffering from the same problems as honeybees in general?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I understand,  we are taming these Africanized bees somewhat by removing the more aggressive hives- the ones that go on the attack are the ones that definitely get removed.    Is the Africanized bee a viable alternative to the traditional, placid honeybees used as commercial pollinators or are they simply too aggressive? Will there be a limit to their northern range if they prefer warm weather?  Will global warming further extend their range northward?  I didn&#8217;t realize they were as far north as TN and Oklahoma.   </p>
<p>The bees here reproduce more quickly and swarm more often.  I was told all domestic beekeeping in the area involved the Africanized bees.    Is it merely my limited observations that these bees more resilient (there are a lot of them and disturbing a hive by accident is a worry) or are they suffering from the same problems as honeybees in general?</p>
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		<title>By: James Salsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Salsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Indeed, in places where neonicotinoid pesticides have been banned, such as France, Italy and Germany, there’s no evidence that honeybee populations have rebounded.&quot; 

Wrong: http://www.youris.com/Environment/Bees/Bees_restored_to_health_in_Italy_after_this_springs_neonicotinoidfree_maize_sowing.kl

There was a secondary source already implicating the neonicotinoids before the RFID and other studies came out this year: Decourtye and Devillers (2010) &quot;Ecotoxicity of Neonicotinoid Insecticides to Bees&quot; in Insect Nicotinic Acetylcholine Receptors ed. by Steeve Hervé Thany (New York: Springer/Landes) Chapter 8, pp. 85-95, on p. 86 http://www.springerlink.com/content/978-1-4419-6445-8#section=839220</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Indeed, in places where neonicotinoid pesticides have been banned, such as France, Italy and Germany, there’s no evidence that honeybee populations have rebounded.&#8221; </p>
<p>Wrong: http://www.youris.com/Environment/Bees/Bees_restored_to_health_in_Italy_after_this_springs_neonicotinoidfree_maize_sowing.kl</p>
<p>There was a secondary source already implicating the neonicotinoids before the RFID and other studies came out this year: Decourtye and Devillers (2010) &#8220;Ecotoxicity of Neonicotinoid Insecticides to Bees&#8221; in Insect Nicotinic Acetylcholine Receptors ed. by Steeve Hervé Thany (New York: Springer/Landes) Chapter 8, pp. 85-95, on p. 86 <a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/978-1-4419-6445-8#section=839220" rel="nofollow">http://www.springerlink.com/content/978-1-4419-6445-8#section=839220</a></p>
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		<title>By: J. Brad Hicks</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Brad Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that my current urgent-to-read pile is about 8 books deep, I was hoping for a link to a summary. If I have to read an entire book to find out, I&#039;ll just have to go without knowing for at least a couple of months. Thanks, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that my current urgent-to-read pile is about 8 books deep, I was hoping for a link to a summary. If I have to read an entire book to find out, I&#8217;ll just have to go without knowing for at least a couple of months. Thanks, though.</p>
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		<title>By: catgrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>catgrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have already been petitions online to halt the use of neonicotinoids. Beekeepers petitioned against one of the pesticides citing that the EPA didn&#039;t follow their own safety standards for release. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/beekeepers-and-environmentalists-petition-epa-to-stop-pesticide-linked-to-bee-deaths-143652746.html Defenders of the pesticides claim that they are &quot;safer&quot; than the other options available to them, but in truth they&#039;re &quot;safer&quot; for mammals and toxic to all insects, even the beneficial ones. http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pi117 

In addition, neonicotinoids do not wash away after treatment or weaken over time. Unlike some other pesticides, they end up in the soil and are then taken up by the roots of plants they&#039;re used on to later express in the leaves and nectar. So bees don&#039;t need to be present for a spraying to be killed. They can just sip from a treated plant. I believe that it&#039;s important to note that - while removing neonicotinoids may not save the bees - using them will definitely keep killing them. 

The bees are under threat from many sources, some natural some manmade, and each chink in their armor brings us closer to a world without them. When we have the ability to recognize a threat (as we did with the Varroa mite) we can&#039;t waste time debating if it&#039;s THE threat that will tip the balance in the bees&#039; favor. We simply need to shut it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have already been petitions online to halt the use of neonicotinoids. Beekeepers petitioned against one of the pesticides citing that the EPA didn&#8217;t follow their own safety standards for release. <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/beekeepers-and-environmentalists-petition-epa-to-stop-pesticide-linked-to-bee-deaths-143652746.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/beekeepers-and-environmentalists-petition-epa-to-stop-pesticide-linked-to-bee-deaths-143652746.html</a> Defenders of the pesticides claim that they are &#8220;safer&#8221; than the other options available to them, but in truth they&#8217;re &#8220;safer&#8221; for mammals and toxic to all insects, even the beneficial ones. <a href="http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pi117 " rel="nofollow">http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pi117 </a></p>
<p>In addition, neonicotinoids do not wash away after treatment or weaken over time. Unlike some other pesticides, they end up in the soil and are then taken up by the roots of plants they&#8217;re used on to later express in the leaves and nectar. So bees don&#8217;t need to be present for a spraying to be killed. They can just sip from a treated plant. I believe that it&#8217;s important to note that &#8211; while removing neonicotinoids may not save the bees &#8211; using them will definitely keep killing them. </p>
<p>The bees are under threat from many sources, some natural some manmade, and each chink in their armor brings us closer to a world without them. When we have the ability to recognize a threat (as we did with the Varroa mite) we can&#8217;t waste time debating if it&#8217;s THE threat that will tip the balance in the bees&#8217; favor. We simply need to shut it down.</p>
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		<title>By: catgrin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ninabi, The Africanized bees haven&#039;t halted their progress. I&#039;m providing a link that shows how their spread (through 2005) was first horizontal and westerly during their trek into the U.S. It was only after a large horizontal band of infestation occurred that the bees continued their northern spread. http://mdge.blogspot.com/2007/11/spread-of-africanized-honey-bees-in-us.html

The bees were, in part, designed to withstand higher temperatures like the ones found in deserts - remember, they have some of the traits of bees from Africa. So, they prefer warmer climates. It most likely has nothing to do with what they might not exposed to there. Back in 2009, they were already well-established in Florida, where the citrus crops provide lots of food. As of 2012,they&#039;ve been confirmed in both Tennessee and Oklahoma. They&#039;ll keep reestablishing when the area they&#039;re in can&#039;t tolerate any more bees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ninabi, The Africanized bees haven&#8217;t halted their progress. I&#8217;m providing a link that shows how their spread (through 2005) was first horizontal and westerly during their trek into the U.S. It was only after a large horizontal band of infestation occurred that the bees continued their northern spread. http://mdge.blogspot.com/2007/11/spread-of-africanized-honey-bees-in-us.html</p>
<p>The bees were, in part, designed to withstand higher temperatures like the ones found in deserts &#8211; remember, they have some of the traits of bees from Africa. So, they prefer warmer climates. It most likely has nothing to do with what they might not exposed to there. Back in 2009, they were already well-established in Florida, where the citrus crops provide lots of food. As of 2012,they&#8217;ve been confirmed in both Tennessee and Oklahoma. They&#8217;ll keep reestablishing when the area they&#8217;re in can&#8217;t tolerate any more bees.</p>
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		<title>By: Ninabi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/07/the-honeybees-are-still-dying.html#comment-1416750</link>
		<dc:creator>Ninabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in the desert southwest, I have to ask- why are Africanized bees thriving here while bees elsewhere are not?  It is very strange to see signs tacked to telephone poles for &quot;BEE REMOVAL&quot; services when knowing they are struggling in other parts of the country.    Bees here do very well- too well- at times.   We have approximately 10 hives per square mile in my section of town and I&#039;ve seen three swarms so far this spring.

What aren&#039;t the bees exposed to here?  Disease?  Chemicals in corn syrup?  A lack of exposure to pesticides as they mainly harvest nectar from mesquite trees in the wild?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in the desert southwest, I have to ask- why are Africanized bees thriving here while bees elsewhere are not?  It is very strange to see signs tacked to telephone poles for &#8220;BEE REMOVAL&#8221; services when knowing they are struggling in other parts of the country.    Bees here do very well- too well- at times.   We have approximately 10 hives per square mile in my section of town and I&#8217;ve seen three swarms so far this spring.</p>
<p>What aren&#8217;t the bees exposed to here?  Disease?  Chemicals in corn syrup?  A lack of exposure to pesticides as they mainly harvest nectar from mesquite trees in the wild?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Klock</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/07/the-honeybees-are-still-dying.html#comment-1416657</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Klock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then the Monsanto bees mutate into seriously hostile flying scorpion-things foretold in the book of Revelation......
(&amp; I don&#039;t entirely know whether I&#039;m joking or not...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then the Monsanto bees mutate into seriously hostile flying scorpion-things foretold in the book of Revelation&#8230;&#8230;<br />
(&amp; I don&#8217;t entirely know whether I&#8217;m joking or not&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And your plan for coming up with a couple billion native bumblebees is...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And your plan for coming up with a couple billion native bumblebees is&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/07/the-honeybees-are-still-dying.html#comment-1416641</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There must be a predator for the Varroa&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Mr. McGuire:&lt;/i&gt;  I just want to say two words to you. Just two words. 
&lt;i&gt;Benjamin:  &lt;/i&gt;Yes, sir. 
&lt;i&gt;Mr. McGuire:  &lt;/i&gt;Are you listening? 
&lt;i&gt;Benjamin:  &lt;/i&gt;Yes, I am. 
&lt;i&gt;Mr. McGuire:  &lt;/i&gt;Cane toads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There must be a predator for the Varroa</p></blockquote>
<p><i>Mr. McGuire:</i>  I just want to say two words to you. Just two words.<br />
<i>Benjamin:  </i>Yes, sir.<br />
<i>Mr. McGuire:  </i>Are you listening?<br />
<i>Benjamin:  </i>Yes, I am.<br />
<i>Mr. McGuire:  </i>Cane toads.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay undeed. Although they&#039;ve been available for 11 years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay undeed. Although they&#8217;ve been available for 11 years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/07/the-honeybees-are-still-dying.html#comment-1416632</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;More science is needed, and that takes time.  You cannot reach a conclusion because someone has a press deadline.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think the deadline was about still having some bees left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>More science is needed, and that takes time.  You cannot reach a conclusion because someone has a press deadline.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the deadline was about still having some bees left.</p>
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		<title>By: bloopeeriod</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/07/the-honeybees-are-still-dying.html#comment-1416618</link>
		<dc:creator>bloopeeriod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my best friends is a Grey and he says to to tell you that you are nuts.
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