German Pirate Party wins seats in a third regional election

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15 Responses to “German Pirate Party wins seats in a third regional election”

  1. memoid says:

    The Pirate Party sure is being hyped in the German media right now. However, the overall consensus seems to be that it’s mostly getting votes from people who are disappointed with the mainstream parties, the common accusation being that the Pirates don’t have fully fledged opinions on quite a few issues of domestic and international policy – a fact they have acknowledged in the past.

    It’s funny though, they’re in all the political talk shows, no matter what the topic is, and getting lots of attention. I think people here are partly fascinated by the nerd weirdoes with their utopian understanding of politics, and partly pissed off because they’re snatching lots of votes from the Liberals, Greens and Socialists.

    Polls indicate they’ll win seats in the next federal elections as well, scheduled to take place in the fall of 2013. That ought to be interesting. Let’s hope they’ll have grown up a bit until then and not burnt out on all this hype.

    • Guest says:

      mostly getting votes from people who are disappointed with the mainstream parties, the common accusation being that the Pirates don’t have fully fledged opinions on quite a few issues of domestic and international policy /blockquote>Yes, and over here we have Ron Paul <====Hi Antinous, this is a snarky comment not a political endorsement OK? OK

  2. ChicagoD says:

    Wait, overtaking the Greens as the third party? So, I guess I lost my bet that the next Chancellor would be from the FDP?

  3. Teller says:

    OWS take note. Infection is more effective than paintballs.

  4. Ipo says:

     The established parties don’t yet believe that Pirate-voters are issue voters, that “internetizens” are concerned about the ever increasing censorship. 
    The pre-election propaganda was that the only people voting piratical would be protest voters. 
    Results have shown that the protest voters just didn’t vote at all.  This election had the lowest participation Schleswig – Holstein has seen in decades. 
    I live here and the pirates got one of my two votes. 
    I’d gladly have given them both, but they say they aren’t ready to coalition to actually govern, so I felt it prudent to support another party also, to take the Landtag from the right wing CDU/FDP. 
    Looks like “I won” on both levels. 

    • Yair Rand says:

      Your party list vote (“second” vote) went to the pirates, I hope? That’s the only one that actually influences how many seats each party gets, as I understand it.

  5. Sonja De says:

    “It seems clear that The Pirate Party is certainly surpassing the German Green Party as the preeminent 3rd party” – so far it isn’t. At all. The Greens have consistently a lot more votes than the Pirates. What they’re doing is surpassing the Liberal Democrats as the preeminent 4th party.

    • Purplecat says:

       I think that’s an error caused by USA-centric phrasing. Describing smaller parties as “third parties” just about makes sense in the states, where the two major parties are not so much entrenched as entombed. In Germany with its more proportional voting system, you have at least five parties that could be considered “major” parties (SPD, CD/SU, Greens , FDP, LP), plus some smaller parties. The Pirates are making a stab at jumping from the latter category to the former.

  6. Ernst Gruengast says:

    The Pirates are as inspiring and as disorganised as all mainstream political parties were  at their inception, particularly those which emerge out of grass roots base and a search for an alternative to a dissatisfactory status quo. Just look at the history of Labor parties, of the greens…they all started as protest parties, and at some point got their political acts together, often getting caught up in the mechanisms of power, message manipulation and control in the process.
    They are currently struggling to figure out how to make their decision-making processes work in the German political system, and while it’s a total mess, I find it impressive how quickly they are adapting and becoming a real political force – much quicker than the Green party ever did.
    Interestingly, I am meeting an more and more people in community organising and citizen’s activism here in Berlin who are saying the pirates are more or less the only party who are worth talking to not only about the internet, but also about political corruption, land policy, privatisation, social housing. city budget allocation ……many very hot topics.
    The notion that there is a media hype of the Pirates is incorrect in my opinion. Any party with this vote share has a right to a media platform, but one of the main problems of the Pirate Party is, because it is leaderless and anything any “spokesperson” says to the media is pilloried in real time on their forums, that most of it’s elected members speak to the media as little as possible. When they do, they are immediately mobbed for hogging the limelight. This is a completely disfunctional  side to the party. On the other hand, it actually results in many activities of the Pirates being underrepresented in the media in my opinion.

  7. Ernst Gruengast says:

    The Pirates are as inspiring and as disorganised as all mainstream political parties were  at their inception, particularly those which emerge out of grass roots base and a search for an alternative to a dissatisfactory status quo. Just look at the history of Labor parties, of the greens…they all started as protest parties, and at some point got their political acts together, often getting caught up in the mechanisms of power, message manipulation and control in the process.
    They are currently struggling to figure out how to make their decision-making processes work in the German political system, and while it’s a total mess, I find it impressive how quickly they are adapting and becoming a real political force – much quicker than the Green party ever did.
    Interestingly, I am meeting an more and more people in community organising and citizen’s activism here in Berlin who are saying the pirates are more or less the only party who are worth talking to not only about the internet, but also about political corruption, land policy, privatisation, social housing. city budget allocation ……many very hot topics.
    The notion that there is a media hype of the Pirates is incorrect in my opinion. Any party with this vote share has a right to a media platform, but one of the main problems of the Pirate Party is, because it is leaderless and anything any “spokesperson” says to the media is pilloried in real time on their forums, that most of it’s elected members speak to the media as little as possible. When they do, they are immediately mobbed for hogging the limelight. This is a completely disfunctional  side to the party. On the other hand, it actually results in many activities of the Pirates being underrepresented in the media in my opinion.

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