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	<title>Comments on: Lies, damned lies, and flame-retardant&#160;furniture</title>
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		<title>By: Dingos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1418748</link>
		<dc:creator>Dingos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is interested, Dr. Robert Hale of the Virginia Institute of Marine Sciences has done some seminal work on this matter.
http://www.vims.edu/about/directory/faculty/hale_rc.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested, Dr. Robert Hale of the Virginia Institute of Marine Sciences has done some seminal work on this matter.<br />
<a href="http://www.vims.edu/about/directory/faculty/hale_rc.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.vims.edu/about/directory/faculty/hale_rc.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dingos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1418749</link>
		<dc:creator>Dingos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is interested, Dr. Robert Hale of the Virginia Institute of Marine Sciences has done some seminal work on this matter.
http://www.vims.edu/about/directory/faculty/hale_rc.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested, Dr. Robert Hale of the Virginia Institute of Marine Sciences has done some seminal work on this matter.<br />
<a href="http://www.vims.edu/about/directory/faculty/hale_rc.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.vims.edu/about/directory/faculty/hale_rc.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: starfish and coffee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1418651</link>
		<dc:creator>starfish and coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fire retardant baby pyjamases, the only solution when your baby refuses to give up smoking in bed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fire retardant baby pyjamases, the only solution when your baby refuses to give up smoking in bed. </p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1418379</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we have the tobacco companies to thank for brominated flame retardants.

Great legacy there, arseholes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we have the tobacco companies to thank for brominated flame retardants.</p>
<p>Great legacy there, arseholes. </p>
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		<title>By: Kludgegrrl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1418164</link>
		<dc:creator>Kludgegrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my son was younger I avoided baby pajamas for him because the law mandated that all baby sleepwear *must* be treated with flame retardants (and I was concerned about the health consequences from them).  

I could never understand the logic as it always seemed that by the time time the helpless baby, alone in his/her crib, was surrounded by fire -- really, how much good would anything short of an asbestos box do for the tyke?  Fire retardant, give me a break.  Talk about fear-mongering.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my son was younger I avoided baby pajamas for him because the law mandated that all baby sleepwear *must* be treated with flame retardants (and I was concerned about the health consequences from them).  </p>
<p>I could never understand the logic as it always seemed that by the time time the helpless baby, alone in his/her crib, was surrounded by fire &#8212; really, how much good would anything short of an asbestos box do for the tyke?  Fire retardant, give me a break.  Talk about fear-mongering.  </p>
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		<title>By: swlabr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1418117</link>
		<dc:creator>swlabr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall a gig constructing theater sets, when the fabric backdrops had to be slathered with toxic goop, as directed by law. Not good times.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall a gig constructing theater sets, when the fabric backdrops had to be slathered with toxic goop, as directed by law. Not good times.  </p>
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		<title>By: olele</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1417695</link>
		<dc:creator>olele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2018162658_flameretardant08.html
&quot;Retired UW burn doctor telling tales to promote fire retardants&quot;:except it was all made up

&quot;Testifying for California lawmakers last year, the retired Seattle doctor and former president of the American Burn Association drew gasps as he described a 7-week-old girl who was burned in a fire started by a candle while she lay on a pillow that lacked flame-retardant chemicals.&quot;
&quot;They are lying,&quot; said Jeff Zack, a spokesman for the International Association of Fire Fighters.</description>
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&#8220;Retired UW burn doctor telling tales to promote fire retardants&#8221;:except it was all made up</p>
<p>&#8220;Testifying for California lawmakers last year, the retired Seattle doctor and former president of the American Burn Association drew gasps as he described a 7-week-old girl who was burned in a fire started by a candle while she lay on a pillow that lacked flame-retardant chemicals.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;They are lying,&#8221; said Jeff Zack, a spokesman for the International Association of Fire Fighters.</p>
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		<title>By: LightningRose</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1417669</link>
		<dc:creator>LightningRose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Works for me in Firefox 12.0, but it does have an extraneous &#039;)&#039; on the end. Try this:

http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/tobaccowars.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Works for me in Firefox 12.0, but it does have an extraneous &#8216;)&#8217; on the end. Try this:</p>
<p><a href="http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/tobaccowars.html" rel="nofollow">http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/tobaccowars.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: digi_owl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1417667</link>
		<dc:creator>digi_owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Seems the autolinker picked up a stray ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Seems the autolinker picked up a stray ).</p>
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		<title>By: FelixDio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1417600</link>
		<dc:creator>FelixDio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>URL leads to a 404, just fyi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>URL leads to a 404, just fyi.</p>
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		<title>By: RayCornwall</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1417582</link>
		<dc:creator>RayCornwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny point- in the discussion for Lance Armstrong&#039;s post the other day about California cigarette tax (found here: http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/tobaccowars.html), users were arguing about the tax per pack vs. the estimated health care cost of smoking per pack ($0.87/tax vs.  $15.10/cost). There was some argument about the validity of the latter number, as some smoker&#039;s rights advocates felt that the number was artificially elevated because it was hard to distinguish the costs actually incurred by smoking (for example, just because a smoker gets lung cancer doesn&#039;t mean it was directly caused by smoking- it could be a result of a thousand other variables).

But the argument didn&#039;t factor in firefighting costs. I wonder if there&#039;s a way of determining how much smoking costs a community in extra firefighting costs, and then dividing that cost by the number of packs sold in that area over a period of time. Might give advocates of raising cigarette taxes some more ammunition...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny point- in the discussion for Lance Armstrong&#8217;s post the other day about California cigarette tax (found here: http://boingboing.net/2012/05/02/tobaccowars.html), users were arguing about the tax per pack vs. the estimated health care cost of smoking per pack ($0.87/tax vs.  $15.10/cost). There was some argument about the validity of the latter number, as some smoker&#8217;s rights advocates felt that the number was artificially elevated because it was hard to distinguish the costs actually incurred by smoking (for example, just because a smoker gets lung cancer doesn&#8217;t mean it was directly caused by smoking- it could be a result of a thousand other variables).</p>
<p>But the argument didn&#8217;t factor in firefighting costs. I wonder if there&#8217;s a way of determining how much smoking costs a community in extra firefighting costs, and then dividing that cost by the number of packs sold in that area over a period of time. Might give advocates of raising cigarette taxes some more ammunition&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: penguinchris</title>
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		<dc:creator>penguinchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of funny that the state that puts labels on practically everything to warn people of carcinogens is responsible for mandating the use of these chemicals. 

I mean, I do think California&#039;s heavy-handed approach to these things is good, ultimately, but they need to be able to admit mistakes and repeal things when appropriate. 

And if you think the stickers that say things contain chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer are ridiculous, try living in CA itself - the signs are so ubiquitous all you can do is ignore them. They serve no useful purpose. At least they aren&#039;t causing further potential harm, though, like the fire-retardant chemicals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of funny that the state that puts labels on practically everything to warn people of carcinogens is responsible for mandating the use of these chemicals. </p>
<p>I mean, I do think California&#8217;s heavy-handed approach to these things is good, ultimately, but they need to be able to admit mistakes and repeal things when appropriate. </p>
<p>And if you think the stickers that say things contain chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer are ridiculous, try living in CA itself &#8211; the signs are so ubiquitous all you can do is ignore them. They serve no useful purpose. At least they aren&#8217;t causing further potential harm, though, like the fire-retardant chemicals.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the first days at Roanoke, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the first days at Roanoke, no.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Miller</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/08/lies-damned-lies-and-flame-r.html#comment-1417434</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if we live outside of California, and don&#039;t want furniture loaded with these flame-retardants, who can I buy such furniture from, especially in Colorado?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if we live outside of California, and don&#8217;t want furniture loaded with these flame-retardants, who can I buy such furniture from, especially in Colorado?</p>
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		<title>By: Ito Kagehisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ito Kagehisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Build your furniture from white oak, or buy white oak furniture from the Kenton chair shop.  A properly made windsor chair is more comfortable than any stuffed or padded chair, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Build your furniture from white oak, or buy white oak furniture from the Kenton chair shop.  A properly made windsor chair is more comfortable than any stuffed or padded chair, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Lobster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That whole &quot;selling cigarettes&quot; thing seems to be working out pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That whole &#8220;selling cigarettes&#8221; thing seems to be working out pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has the tobacco industry &lt;em&gt;ever&lt;/em&gt; managed to engage in a shadowy campaign of disinformation and subversion that didn&#039;t end up having dire consequences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the tobacco industry <em>ever</em> managed to engage in a shadowy campaign of disinformation and subversion that didn&#8217;t end up having dire consequences?</p>
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