War Crimes trial for Ratko Mladic begins in The Hague

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  1. cinilak says:

    What about 380.000 Serbs ethnically cleansed from Croatia?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_Croatia#Demographics  -  Take a look at the 1991, and 2001 figures in that table.

    What Mladic did was horrific, and he deserves a bullet between the eyes, not a 3 year trial, but to ones that no nothing about the war in former Yugoslavia, these sort of articles make it look like it was some sort of a good guys/bad guys movie.

    There was no real war there, just maniacs on any side of this conflict using it as an excuse to kill normal, everyday people who wanted to live and let live.  I know that because I was in the middle of it 1991-1995.

  2. Jasmina Tesanovic says:

    what about numbers of the slain? they speak for themselves, equalizing the blame is a crime too, like denying genocides. I know that criminal minds exist everywhere and on all sides, but in this case the picture is rather clear

    • cinilak says:

      Svi su klali i masakrirali, i svih njih treba da je sramota. Meni je i rodbine i prijatelja poginulo, a mog profesora biologije, koji nije mogao biti mirniji covjek su sjekli zivoga. Usprkos svemu tome ja znam da se prst ne upire u jednog covjeka i u jedan narod, nego u neznanje i jad koji je te ljude pretvorilo u ovce koje su dozvolile da se isto desi.

      Sve sto nam sad treba je jedna self righteous novinarka da prodaje englezima finu retoriku i emotivnu poeziju o tome sto se tamo desilo, a sama nema pojma kako je to kad ti kuca i imanje gori dok ti bjezis sa svojom familijom da spasis mili zivot.

      ‘picture is rather clear’ – to isprintaj i urami, od toga nisi mogla nize pasti

      • strangefriend says:

        Oh, man, you must really been talking a whole load of BS for them to disemvowel your whole post. ;> )

      • Jasmina Tesanovic says:

        hahaha,  you are speaking serbian so that the whole world can understand you!  mislis da ne znam kako je je bezati od bombi i batina, bolje da ti ne pricam, samo sto su mene jurili bas ti kojima se nije svidjao moj “righteous report”! get off my back! and keep the tone down,   or i will ask the moderator to translate your cowardly insults  and erase you…i will not tolerate  here the serbian scum comments!

      • Mark Wolf says:

        cinilak, Iam sorry for your losses, many of us lost someone dear in the war, I lost two members of my family. Yet while I understand your pain I do not understand your post, what does your suffering have to do with Srebernica. Yes all sides did crimes but that does not justify anything, does Vukovar justify Operation Storm? No matter who did the crimes they should answer for them and no man should be glorified for spilling the blood of the innocent.

        • cinilak says:

           I was merely pointing out that journalism should be kept objective. The article above wrongly  illustrated the conflict in former yougoslavia as some bad guys/good guys story. I was in no way defending a monster that conducted the slaughter of innocents, was just trying to point out that the article above was painting a somewhat unrealistic picture.

          Observe the above comments of  an “objective” journalist who first assumes that I am of a certain nationality, then proceeds to label me as ‘Serbian scum’.

      • well, it’s rather clear that Milosevic and Tudjman sealed the destiny of those thousands that you mention and many others. They had a several dozen of secret meetings during the arranged war and agreed on ethnic cleansing and territory exchange. but in a strange Balkan twist those who suffered most still loves two of them and their heritage 

  3. jonlebkowsky says:

    >to live in peace with each other in the region will require an understanding of the past.

    Given the state of denial, how likely is this understanding?

    • deathisastar says:

       It’s not likely at all. One reason Germany and Japan were able to rebuild and progress is that they were defeated and forcibly held accountable for their war crimes. Serbs continue to paint themselves as victims, which only means that they’ll continue to start wars. Is it a coindicence that Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosovo all split from Serbia?

  4. mindysan33 says:

    Jasmina- as usually, heartfelt and thoughtful commentary on the situation in the Balkans. 

    Regarding the violence of this period, I believe there is another way to understand what happened.  Some cutting edge scholars are trying to put these events into a context that is not nationalist in nature, while still revealing the damage done…  I just finished this book, about the period before the first world war (this is one of my mentors, BTW):

    http://www.amazon.com/Reinstating-Ottomans-Alternative-Modernities-1800-1912/dp/0230110185

    It’s an excellent take on the late Ottoman period and supposed “primordial” national identities (hint, not so primordial as we are led to believe).

  5. deathisastar says:

    Another interesting post by Jasmina, but two points bother me.

    1) You don’t actually mention that Serbs killed Bosnians during the war in question. You refer to Bosnians only as “ex-Yugoslav”, and you use the term “Bosnia(n)” only when referring to Bosnian Serbs or the Serbian part of Bosnia.

    2) The Yugoslav army did not defeat “the Nazi genocide”. The Allies halted it. In fact, the Serbian government and the Serbian Orthodox church initially colluded with the Germans, leading to the deaths of the majority of Serbia’s Jews by 1941, far earlier than anywhere else in the Balkans (resistance by Serbian citizens was quickly suppressed). Only later did Serbia become a victim of the Germans, and of course that’s what Serbs remember. This is thoroughly detailed in the book Serbia’s Secret War by Philip Cohen.

    Thanks for acknowledging that most Serbs today are still in denial about the crimes committed in the name of their people.

    • StaneStane says:

      Poupular uprising against Nazi occupation in Balkans started in July 7th 1941 in Bela Crkva, central Serbia. The Axis occupied Yugoslavia and Serbia April of 1941. First liberated territory in Nazi occupied Europe was Republic of Uzice, in west central Serbia, in autumn of 1941.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C5%BEi%C4%8Dka_Republika

      Serbia had a colaborationist goverment in WWII headed by gen. M. Nedić. He commited suicide in 1946 while in jail avaiting the sentance for treason.

  6. StaneStane says:

    As for Serbia, it would be fair to present the actual facts about Serbian current public oppinion on the matter as well as official stance. Mladić is in the Hague, his boss Karadžić as well, both were arrested and shipped off not by some Alied intervention force but by Serbian goverment, elected at democratic elections. Milošević himself was first toppled by a popular uprising of Serbs, and then arrested and extradited to the Hague by Serbian goverment.

    At the moment, after the last recent elections, the only political party publically taking nationalist (patriotic as they claim) stance, DSS, has 7% percent of parliament seets, and 5% of electorate. The strongest opposition party SNS, is led by people who supported Mladić and his bunch in 90ies. However, they managed to get to this position only after making a political U turn and publicly denouncing their own nationalistic past. They too stand at 15% of electorate. Contrast this to public support to far right in EU countries. For example Fides in Hungary, The Finns in Finland, or Marine Le Pen in France.

    Ex party of Milošević SPS, did well in elections indeed, it stands at about 15% of parliament seats and 10% of electorate. They too had to denounce their own policies and involvement in war. Turnout at last elections was 57% to 60% percent.

    President of Serbia publicly appologized to victimes of wars in 90ies.

    What more are Serbs supposed to do exactly?

    Full disclosure. I am a Serb, proud of it. Not proud of people like Mladić or Milošević, certainly not proud of their war crimes or of Serbian involvment in Ex-Yugoslavian wars. I have spent most of my teenage and student days opposing their policy by actively participated in street protests trying to bring Milošević down in 96/97, 99 and 2000. I was simply too young for protests of 91 and 92. I haven’t lost anyone in wars myself.

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