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		<title>By: Aaron J Mobley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1429595</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron J Mobley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &gt;&gt;You are right we should not lie to children.... however there are many things are aren&#039;t appropriate to introduce them to.... I don&#039;t see anyone rushing to make books covering the military occupying Iraq and fighting terrorists or busting down on drug labs or prostitution.&lt;&lt;

There are children&#039;s books on all of those things. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &gt;&gt;You are right we should not lie to children&#8230;. however there are many things are aren&#8217;t appropriate to introduce them to&#8230;. I don&#8217;t see anyone rushing to make books covering the military occupying Iraq and fighting terrorists or busting down on drug labs or prostitution.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>There are children&#039;s books on all of those things. </p>
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		<title>By: Aaron J Mobley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1429588</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron J Mobley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this indoctrination? It&#039;s informing children of what two kinds of police vehicles are used for. That&#039;s it. It&#039;s not endorsing their use, or stating that they are never misused, it&#039;s just saying, &quot;This is what this is, and this is how it is meant to be used.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this indoctrination? It&#8217;s informing children of what two kinds of police vehicles are used for. That&#8217;s it. It&#8217;s not endorsing their use, or stating that they are never misused, it&#8217;s just saying, &#8220;This is what this is, and this is how it is meant to be used.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron J Mobley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1429587</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron J Mobley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Josh Stearns, a reporter who has covered the Occupy movement extensively, asks, &quot;Why is this children&#039;s book teaching my kid about SWAT vehicles and Riot Control practices?&quot; From his blog post: &lt;&gt;However, the descriptions of water cannons being turned on protesters &lt;&lt;

The book contains no such description. Is specifically describes water cannons being turned on RIOTERS. Of course any child is going to know that it&#039;s POSSIBLE to turn a riot cannon on anyone at all, even people who aren&#039;t rioting, but the book does not endorse or even MENTION turning them on protestors. 
 
Besides, the book is entitled &quot;Police Cars&quot; and riot control trucks and SWAT vans are police cars. Why on earth would you NOT include them? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Josh Stearns, a reporter who has covered the Occupy movement extensively, asks, &#8220;Why is this children&#8217;s book teaching my kid about SWAT vehicles and Riot Control practices?&#8221; From his blog post: &lt;&gt;However, the descriptions of water cannons being turned on protesters &lt;&lt;</p>
<p>The book contains no such description. Is specifically describes water cannons being turned on RIOTERS. Of course any child is going to know that it&#039;s POSSIBLE to turn a riot cannon on anyone at all, even people who aren&#039;t rioting, but the book does not endorse or even MENTION turning them on protestors. </p>
<p>Besides, the book is entitled &quot;Police Cars&quot; and riot control trucks and SWAT vans are police cars. Why on earth would you NOT include them? </p>
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		<title>By: zarray</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1428557</link>
		<dc:creator>zarray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 07:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Or a page on how to plant a bag of coke on a subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Or a page on how to plant a bag of coke on a subject.</p>
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		<title>By: zarray</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1428556</link>
		<dc:creator>zarray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 07:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t see anyone rushing to make books covering the military occupying Iraq and fighting terrorists or busting down on drug labs or prostitution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well there&#039;s a book on anything, it just matters whether it sells or is an obscure print-on-demand run.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=node%3D4&amp;field-keywords=Iraq+Warc+</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t see anyone rushing to make books covering the military occupying Iraq and fighting terrorists or busting down on drug labs or prostitution.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well there&#8217;s a book on anything, it just matters whether it sells or is an obscure print-on-demand run.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=node%3D4&#038;field-keywords=Iraq+Warc+" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=node%3D4&#038;field-keywords=Iraq+Warc+</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1428419</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number of sports riots compared to the number of human rights riots is tiny, in the US at least.  Of course, Europe has a soccer riot every week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of sports riots compared to the number of human rights riots is tiny, in the US at least.  Of course, Europe has a soccer riot every week.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr T</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1428371</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@oasisob1:disqus    @google-708e30830c6c6b10fc79e6543e4cbb4f:disqus You are right we should not lie to children.... however there are many things are aren&#039;t appropriate to introduce them to.... I don&#039;t see anyone rushing to make books covering the military occupying Iraq and fighting terrorists or busting down on drug labs or prostitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@oasisob1:disqus    @google-708e30830c6c6b10fc79e6543e4cbb4f:disqus You are right we should not lie to children&#8230;. however there are many things are aren&#8217;t appropriate to introduce them to&#8230;. I don&#8217;t see anyone rushing to make books covering the military occupying Iraq and fighting terrorists or busting down on drug labs or prostitution.</p>
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		<title>By: saurabh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1428362</link>
		<dc:creator>saurabh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> You mean a button we press whenever we get annoyed by someone invoking Godwin&#039;s law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You mean a button we press whenever we get annoyed by someone invoking Godwin&#8217;s law?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean McKibbon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1428306</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean McKibbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Can we have a godwin button. Please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Can we have a godwin button. Please?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean McKibbon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1428304</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean McKibbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> not every riot is a righteous act of democracy or rebellion against the man. sometimes it&#039;s a stupid drunken excuse to vandalize things after your hockey team loses. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> not every riot is a righteous act of democracy or rebellion against the man. sometimes it&#8217;s a stupid drunken excuse to vandalize things after your hockey team loses. </p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1428097</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched Nineteen Eighty-Four just last night, actually.

A lot of it seems quite unlikely (I much prefer Brave New World or V for Vendetta when it comes to such stuff), but there was certainly the odd element that appeared to have been lifted straight out of Orwell&#039;s nightmare and put to work...

This utter crock of shit War on Terror that&#039;s been rammed down our throats seems almost too cliched to have any currency, but unfortunately the long-term creation of fuckwits program has been bearing fruit for a while now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched Nineteen Eighty-Four just last night, actually.</p>
<p>A lot of it seems quite unlikely (I much prefer Brave New World or V for Vendetta when it comes to such stuff), but there was certainly the odd element that appeared to have been lifted straight out of Orwell&#8217;s nightmare and put to work&#8230;</p>
<p>This utter crock of shit War on Terror that&#8217;s been rammed down our throats seems almost too cliched to have any currency, but unfortunately the long-term creation of fuckwits program has been bearing fruit for a while now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427950</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abstinence-only education is secretly an anti-rape campaign?  Well, sting me like a gosh-darned bee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abstinence-only education is secretly an anti-rape campaign?  Well, sting me like a gosh-darned bee.</p>
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		<title>By: oasisob1</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427946</link>
		<dc:creator>oasisob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> We should lie to them instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> We should lie to them instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427936</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it&#039;s rape, yeah. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it&#8217;s rape, yeah. </p>
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		<title>By: James B</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427930</link>
		<dc:creator>James B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I had a couple come in my garage with the long guns out.  They were after my neighbor, who wasn&#039;t home.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I had a couple come in my garage with the long guns out.  They were after my neighbor, who wasn&#8217;t home.  </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427877</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope the left of center hereabouts that are getting their backs up about the cop images in that book understand that it is precisely the same as when the right of center get their backs up on anything but abstinence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Because sex is equivalent to State-sponsored repression?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I hope the left of center hereabouts that are getting their backs up about the cop images in that book understand that it is precisely the same as when the right of center get their backs up on anything but abstinence.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because sex is equivalent to State-sponsored repression?</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Carlson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427872</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure about the US, but offhand we have two or three sports riots a decade in Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about the US, but offhand we have two or three sports riots a decade in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427869</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, that was awful.  If my mom wrote that song I can&#039;t imagine how I&#039;d ever live it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, that was awful.  If my mom wrote that song I can&#8217;t imagine how I&#8217;d ever live it down.</p>
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		<title>By: LAPete</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427868</link>
		<dc:creator>LAPete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> 1st time - Heathrow Airport in London, in 1989. Subsequent times - train in Switzerland, train in Germany, crossing Mexico to USA border, Border Stop on the 15 just north of San Diego .........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> 1st time &#8211; Heathrow Airport in London, in 1989. Subsequent times &#8211; train in Switzerland, train in Germany, crossing Mexico to USA border, Border Stop on the 15 just north of San Diego &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427858</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But riot control trucks and SWAT vans are not inherently malicious or anti-democratic&lt;/blockquote&gt;How many riots have there been in the US in last half-century that weren&#039;t the result of the police beating or killing someone?
1)  Create a need.
2)  Fill it.
3)  Profit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But riot control trucks and SWAT vans are not inherently malicious or anti-democratic</p></blockquote>
<p>How many riots have there been in the US in last half-century that weren&#8217;t the result of the police beating or killing someone?<br />
1)  Create a need.<br />
2)  Fill it.<br />
3)  Profit!</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427854</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You kind of screwed the pooch on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You kind of screwed the pooch on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: shadowfirebird</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427836</link>
		<dc:creator>shadowfirebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Came here to suggest that the book be satirised.  I see I am redundant.  Excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Came here to suggest that the book be satirised.  I see I am redundant.  Excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: jimh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427830</link>
		<dc:creator>jimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll just leave this here.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/education/2012/05/military-family-kids-enjoy-rr-camp
It&#039;s presented as therapy for kids with parents in active duty overseas, but the photo made me cringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll just leave this here.<br />
<a href="http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/education/2012/05/military-family-kids-enjoy-rr-camp" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/education/2012/05/military-family-kids-enjoy-rr-camp</a><br />
It&#8217;s presented as therapy for kids with parents in active duty overseas, but the photo made me cringe.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/18/what-we-teach-children-about-p.html#comment-1427811</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s cause people are stupid. Up above I gave the example of sports riots. Most folk would support suppression of persons destroying an area because their team won or lost, and I say so because I mean that even if police were perfect, which they are far from, we would probably still need something like police for the time being. Keep up the good fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s cause people are stupid. Up above I gave the example of sports riots. Most folk would support suppression of persons destroying an area because their team won or lost, and I say so because I mean that even if police were perfect, which they are far from, we would probably still need something like police for the time being. Keep up the good fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn straight. 

My young boy at 2 1/2 is completely infatuated with cars n trucks n such. I probably was too, and like me he&#039;ll read any book he chooses to, I&#039;ll be along for the ride.

I mention the cars because I loathe the NA transportation scene, on which I could if I chose call myself expert and for advice on which I have been paid. I hoped my boy wouldn&#039;t fall in love with cars, but, I&#039;ll just have to roll with it.

I hope the left of center hereabouts that are getting their backs up about the cop images in that book understand that it is precisely the same as when the right of center get their backs up on anything but abstinence. 

Because it aint pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn straight. </p>
<p>My young boy at 2 1/2 is completely infatuated with cars n trucks n such. I probably was too, and like me he&#8217;ll read any book he chooses to, I&#8217;ll be along for the ride.</p>
<p>I mention the cars because I loathe the NA transportation scene, on which I could if I chose call myself expert and for advice on which I have been paid. I hoped my boy wouldn&#8217;t fall in love with cars, but, I&#8217;ll just have to roll with it.</p>
<p>I hope the left of center hereabouts that are getting their backs up about the cop images in that book understand that it is precisely the same as when the right of center get their backs up on anything but abstinence. </p>
<p>Because it aint pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: Petzl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petzl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question should be, who buys a children&#039;s book about the police?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question should be, who buys a children&#8217;s book about the police?</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?? Before 1900 homicide rates in North America are almost entirely speculative. We didn&#039;t have the information infrastructure to even come close to tracking. 

Europe, on the other hand, was fairly developed by then. In 1750 the average rate across euro nations was 45 per 100,000. Now it&#039;s 3 per 100,000.

Rosy views of the past are often accepted for a lack of information to the contrary, but everywhere information can be had it demonstrates that people have been progressive over the long-haul, not regressive. There are ups and downs, war in particular drops homicide rates dramatically, but in general homicide rates have dropped radically since &quot;the past&quot;

If you want to imagine that frontiers were less hostile than developed areas in the past, I can tell you you will need your imagination. Homicide rates have dropped, not risen.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?? Before 1900 homicide rates in North America are almost entirely speculative. We didn&#8217;t have the information infrastructure to even come close to tracking. </p>
<p>Europe, on the other hand, was fairly developed by then. In 1750 the average rate across euro nations was 45 per 100,000. Now it&#8217;s 3 per 100,000.</p>
<p>Rosy views of the past are often accepted for a lack of information to the contrary, but everywhere information can be had it demonstrates that people have been progressive over the long-haul, not regressive. There are ups and downs, war in particular drops homicide rates dramatically, but in general homicide rates have dropped radically since &#8220;the past&#8221;</p>
<p>If you want to imagine that frontiers were less hostile than developed areas in the past, I can tell you you will need your imagination. Homicide rates have dropped, not risen.</p>
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		<title>By: Marja Erwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marja Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I get from &#039;unique to that situation&#039; is &#039;if the police used these against you, you must have been rioting. they don&#039;t use these to suppress peaceful dissent.&#039;

Maybe I&#039;m only reading it that way because, if I try to talk about my experiences, some people tell me I must have been violent and must have done something to deserve the violence and ptsd, and I wonder where people learn the victim-blaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I get from &#8216;unique to that situation&#8217; is &#8216;if the police used these against you, you must have been rioting. they don&#8217;t use these to suppress peaceful dissent.&#8217;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m only reading it that way because, if I try to talk about my experiences, some people tell me I must have been violent and must have done something to deserve the violence and ptsd, and I wonder where people learn the victim-blaming.</p>
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		<title>By: eldritch</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the best response for concerned parents isn&#039;t to try to limit or influence the books and media that are made available to children, but for parents to teach children how to properly understand and respond to these things.

Every library has books on war, on torture, on murder, on drugs, on every vice and crime imagineable. Most kids never touch them, because they&#039;d rather read something like the latest fantasy novel or a collection of sci-fi short stories or whatever. Sure, there&#039;s always going to be a subset of kids who enjoy the various illustrated guides to WWII vehicles or who on a whim pick up and skim through ocollections of old newspaper articles on the IRA or the Kosovo War - I personally fell into that category from a very young age, six or seven years old. But the only harm that can come from it is if they aren&#039;t given the tools to make sense of it in some way.

My father has told me stories of how when my mother decided to take away my brothers&#039; and my toy guns because she didn&#039;t like the idea of such violent imaginings, we&#039;d use sticks or cardboard tubes, or even our fingers. You could easily hear that same anecdote or similar from millions of families, stretching back over the past century, I&#039;d bet good money on it.

Kids are going to be exposed to this stuff no matter what. But the only harm that ever comes of it is when the parents don&#039;t help the kids understand properly. My father was a doctor, my mother worked with animals, I was taught from a very early age that life is precious and that even the &quot;lesser&quot; animals are more like us than we sometimes wish to admit. I was taught gentleness and compassion, and I was made to understand that violence, REAL violence, was unacceptable, that it was a last resort. All my life I&#039;ve played video games, I must have &quot;killed&quot; many millions of enemies over the years, but I&#039;ve never so much as struck another person in anger, even when my own safety has been on the line.

Looking back, more than anything I wish I had had someone who was willing to teach me about the darkness and the cruelty of the world. It&#039;s a hard and isolating thing to teach yourself about war, hatred, stupidity, and greed - I&#039;ve got the scars to prove it. I&#039;d much rather have had someone to guide me, to help me make sense of human violence, to reassure me that despite these social ills there were ways to fight against them, to protect the good things.

But all I ever had were the very books Mr. Stearns is complaining about. And you know what? I learned more from the biased, unsavory, unsettling scrawlings of propagandists than I ever did from my formal educators. I put 2 and 2 together and I figured out what bullshit looked like. As a child I saw the flaws and contradictions that grown adults seem to miss. Why? Because I&#039;m somehow special? No. I just had access to multiple competeing sources of bullshit, and the contradictions made me ask questions.

The most dangerous thing in the world is growing up not knowing that there are other ways of thinking about the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the best response for concerned parents isn&#8217;t to try to limit or influence the books and media that are made available to children, but for parents to teach children how to properly understand and respond to these things.</p>
<p>Every library has books on war, on torture, on murder, on drugs, on every vice and crime imagineable. Most kids never touch them, because they&#8217;d rather read something like the latest fantasy novel or a collection of sci-fi short stories or whatever. Sure, there&#8217;s always going to be a subset of kids who enjoy the various illustrated guides to WWII vehicles or who on a whim pick up and skim through ocollections of old newspaper articles on the IRA or the Kosovo War &#8211; I personally fell into that category from a very young age, six or seven years old. But the only harm that can come from it is if they aren&#8217;t given the tools to make sense of it in some way.</p>
<p>My father has told me stories of how when my mother decided to take away my brothers&#8217; and my toy guns because she didn&#8217;t like the idea of such violent imaginings, we&#8217;d use sticks or cardboard tubes, or even our fingers. You could easily hear that same anecdote or similar from millions of families, stretching back over the past century, I&#8217;d bet good money on it.</p>
<p>Kids are going to be exposed to this stuff no matter what. But the only harm that ever comes of it is when the parents don&#8217;t help the kids understand properly. My father was a doctor, my mother worked with animals, I was taught from a very early age that life is precious and that even the &#8220;lesser&#8221; animals are more like us than we sometimes wish to admit. I was taught gentleness and compassion, and I was made to understand that violence, REAL violence, was unacceptable, that it was a last resort. All my life I&#8217;ve played video games, I must have &#8220;killed&#8221; many millions of enemies over the years, but I&#8217;ve never so much as struck another person in anger, even when my own safety has been on the line.</p>
<p>Looking back, more than anything I wish I had had someone who was willing to teach me about the darkness and the cruelty of the world. It&#8217;s a hard and isolating thing to teach yourself about war, hatred, stupidity, and greed &#8211; I&#8217;ve got the scars to prove it. I&#8217;d much rather have had someone to guide me, to help me make sense of human violence, to reassure me that despite these social ills there were ways to fight against them, to protect the good things.</p>
<p>But all I ever had were the very books Mr. Stearns is complaining about. And you know what? I learned more from the biased, unsavory, unsettling scrawlings of propagandists than I ever did from my formal educators. I put 2 and 2 together and I figured out what bullshit looked like. As a child I saw the flaws and contradictions that grown adults seem to miss. Why? Because I&#8217;m somehow special? No. I just had access to multiple competeing sources of bullshit, and the contradictions made me ask questions.</p>
<p>The most dangerous thing in the world is growing up not knowing that there are other ways of thinking about the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the book is specific in indicating &quot;riot&quot; as the sole purpose. Thereby according to what that book has in it, you were wronged by police.

The reality is that the only other option is not to have books about this crap, but it&#039;s fair to say few here would agree to that route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the book is specific in indicating &#8220;riot&#8221; as the sole purpose. Thereby according to what that book has in it, you were wronged by police.</p>
<p>The reality is that the only other option is not to have books about this crap, but it&#8217;s fair to say few here would agree to that route.</p>
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