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		<title>By: Val A Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1436297</link>
		<dc:creator>Val A Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If CM did its job you would have cycling infrastructure and 5 times the people riding bicycles than 20 years ago. CM being 20 years old sort of suggests to me that it ISN&#039;T working...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If CM did its job you would have cycling infrastructure and 5 times the people riding bicycles than 20 years ago. CM being 20 years old sort of suggests to me that it ISN&#8217;T working&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Lemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1435769</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a small minority of motorists who drive very badly too.   Any argument that is advanced that suggests that a group of people, defined by some activity they all independently engage in, be suppressed because of the behavior of a minority applies to any group that can be identified in that way.

This is not to say that people who engage in dangerous activities ought not to be censured for doing so.   But as members of a group that is identified by the activity, &quot;bicycling,&quot; there is little we can do about people who bicycle dangerously, any more than the average driver can do much to stop red light runners and street racers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a small minority of motorists who drive very badly too.   Any argument that is advanced that suggests that a group of people, defined by some activity they all independently engage in, be suppressed because of the behavior of a minority applies to any group that can be identified in that way.</p>
<p>This is not to say that people who engage in dangerous activities ought not to be censured for doing so.   But as members of a group that is identified by the activity, &#8220;bicycling,&#8221; there is little we can do about people who bicycle dangerously, any more than the average driver can do much to stop red light runners and street racers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Lemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Any questions?</description>
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<p>Any questions?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Lemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1435765</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The evolution of public discourse is not about what &quot;you&quot; want, or what &quot;I&quot; want.   It is about what &quot;we&quot; want.

Also, when you start out a comment about X by saying &quot;I have no experience with X,&quot; it leads the astute reader to wonder why you bothered commenting about it at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evolution of public discourse is not about what &#8220;you&#8221; want, or what &#8220;I&#8221; want.   It is about what &#8220;we&#8221; want.</p>
<p>Also, when you start out a comment about X by saying &#8220;I have no experience with X,&#8221; it leads the astute reader to wonder why you bothered commenting about it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Beanolini</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1435681</link>
		<dc:creator>Beanolini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 08:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;get casual cyclists to start feeling like a movement&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;people who hadn&#039;t previously identified as &quot;bicyclists&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t want to feel like a movement, or identify as a &#039;bicyclist&#039;, (or be a part of &#039;bike culture&#039;) I just want to ride my bike, and for it to be considered nothing out of the ordinary. 

I don&#039;t have any direct experience of Critical Mass, but it does sound like it&#039;s marginalising rather than normalising cycling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>get casual cyclists to start feeling like a movement</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>people who hadn&#8217;t previously identified as &#8220;bicyclists&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to feel like a movement, or identify as a &#8216;bicyclist&#8217;, (or be a part of &#8216;bike culture&#8217;) I just want to ride my bike, and for it to be considered nothing out of the ordinary. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any direct experience of Critical Mass, but it does sound like it&#8217;s marginalising rather than normalising cycling.</p>
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		<title>By: Cefeida</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1435673</link>
		<dc:creator>Cefeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 08:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, depends which CM in which city. Remember that there&#039;s no central CM committee, so it&#039;s totally up to the local cyclists to establish rules- or not.

Where I ride in Lodz, Poland, yes, there are rules. People who break them get yelled at. We post the route a good week before the event, have the city&#039;s permission, are registered as an official demonstration, have police and city watch riding along on their own bikes, and it&#039;s absolutely amazing.

Yes, we block traffic. It takes about ten minutes for the Mass to ride past. But public demonstrations, rallies, and protests ALWAYS block traffic and make noise. That&#039;s the point! Our CM  blows the repeated &#039;well, cyclists are a minority so there&#039;s no need to spend any money on their infrastructure&#039; argument out of the water regularly, once a month. It does its job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, depends which CM in which city. Remember that there&#8217;s no central CM committee, so it&#8217;s totally up to the local cyclists to establish rules- or not.</p>
<p>Where I ride in Lodz, Poland, yes, there are rules. People who break them get yelled at. We post the route a good week before the event, have the city&#8217;s permission, are registered as an official demonstration, have police and city watch riding along on their own bikes, and it&#8217;s absolutely amazing.</p>
<p>Yes, we block traffic. It takes about ten minutes for the Mass to ride past. But public demonstrations, rallies, and protests ALWAYS block traffic and make noise. That&#8217;s the point! Our CM  blows the repeated &#8216;well, cyclists are a minority so there&#8217;s no need to spend any money on their infrastructure&#8217; argument out of the water regularly, once a month. It does its job.</p>
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		<title>By: Cefeida</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1435671</link>
		<dc:creator>Cefeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 08:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you did manage to google it, so you&#039;re okay now :) It&#039;s not like one of those psychodelic BB posts when even googling explains NOTHING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you did manage to google it, so you&#8217;re okay now :) It&#8217;s not like one of those psychodelic BB posts when even googling explains NOTHING.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1435249</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &gt;During the 20 years Critical Mass has existed in San Francisco, the situation for cyclists has improved vastly on a number of fronts

And the housing bubble burst, the start of a global economic depression, global warming warmed up, and George Bush got elected twice.

Same sort of causality in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &gt;During the 20 years Critical Mass has existed in San Francisco, the situation for cyclists has improved vastly on a number of fronts</p>
<p>And the housing bubble burst, the start of a global economic depression, global warming warmed up, and George Bush got elected twice.</p>
<p>Same sort of causality in action.</p>
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		<title>By: nunya</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1435014</link>
		<dc:creator>nunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they join us thinking will get people killed. What about when car drivers decides to &#039;join&quot; you at the same light ignoring the red?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they join us thinking will get people killed. What about when car drivers decides to &#8216;join&#8221; you at the same light ignoring the red?</p>
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		<title>By: kartwaffles</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434994</link>
		<dc:creator>kartwaffles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a Gary Fisher / Grateful Dead poster I had in my dorm room, circa 1995. It was a retro style then, too. Very super awesome poster, though.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a Gary Fisher / Grateful Dead poster I had in my dorm room, circa 1995. It was a retro style then, too. Very super awesome poster, though.  </p>
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		<title>By: joshhaglund</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434792</link>
		<dc:creator>joshhaglund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem of &quot;image&quot; is actually one of these problems of countercultural acceptance.  We&#039;re not going to change but will eventually be accepted when &quot;they&quot; join us (and realize that &quot;running a red light&quot; on a bike is like jay walking, which everyone in urban areas does) and appropriate our image for selling things.  At least, I&#039;m waiting for the future, rather than change.

Although, CM does attract an aggressive rider.  If you want to change that, grab your friends and start doing it your way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem of &#8220;image&#8221; is actually one of these problems of countercultural acceptance.  We&#8217;re not going to change but will eventually be accepted when &#8220;they&#8221; join us (and realize that &#8220;running a red light&#8221; on a bike is like jay walking, which everyone in urban areas does) and appropriate our image for selling things.  At least, I&#8217;m waiting for the future, rather than change.</p>
<p>Although, CM does attract an aggressive rider.  If you want to change that, grab your friends and start doing it your way!</p>
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		<title>By: n8zilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>n8zilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> howabout the laws of the road that let an old guy w/ a cane cross the street when he&#039;s got the signal, instead of a bunch of assholes on bikes (or in cars, for that matter) preventing him from doing that? i&#039;ve witnessed the horde of jerks on bikes who can&#039;t follow simple rules like &quot;stop on red&quot; blocking intersections  next to EMERGENCY ROOMS. all they do is make people less likely to be sympathetic to folks on bikes... which makes it hard for the rest of us who want to ride as non-jerks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> howabout the laws of the road that let an old guy w/ a cane cross the street when he&#8217;s got the signal, instead of a bunch of assholes on bikes (or in cars, for that matter) preventing him from doing that? i&#8217;ve witnessed the horde of jerks on bikes who can&#8217;t follow simple rules like &#8220;stop on red&#8221; blocking intersections  next to EMERGENCY ROOMS. all they do is make people less likely to be sympathetic to folks on bikes&#8230; which makes it hard for the rest of us who want to ride as non-jerks.</p>
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		<title>By: mzed</title>
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		<dc:creator>mzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS That&#039;s a hella cool poster.</description>
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		<title>By: mzed</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434668</link>
		<dc:creator>mzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, this is complicated.  I&#039;ve been a bike commuter for decades and rode in some of the early Critical Mass rides, but I don&#039;t anymore. Criticism aside, I have to respect a regular protest action that lasts for twenty years and has spread around the world.  That&#039;s quite an achievement.

20 years ago, there seemed to be a mindset of &quot;roads are for cars&quot; that needed disrupting. Even before CM, I&#039;ve had motorists throw things at me, swerve at me, shout &quot;back on the sidewalk,&quot; etc.  I think CM did a good job of exposing that it wasn&#039;t just bike messengers and a few nutters who wanted to ride in the city, but rather a substantial and diverse group.  

Fast forward to the present, and things are a lot better for cyclists in SF and the US in general.  There are many, many more of us out there. There are bike lanes, facilities, and the civic government actually considers bicycles.  But, we have a public image problem. There are an extremely visible minority of cyclists who ride very badly. I&#039;m not talking about Idaho Stops, but real red-light-blowing, wrong-side-of-the-street-riding recklessness.  There was recently a pedestrian death in SF where it seems likely that the cyclist who caused it was quite reckless. 

In 20 years, cyclists in SF have gone from being ignored to having a seat at the table.  As a community, we need to modulate our actions from getting ourselves noticed (which CM did quite well) to demonstrating that we deserve to have this seat (which we do).  Last year, I rode by a SF Bike Coalition Booth that was handing out free lights to commuters. Great!  I would like to see the next 20 years of CM characterized by an emphasis on education -- educating cyclists on riding safely and courteously, educating motorists and pedestrians about what to expect from cyclists, and educating the community on how we can accomodate cyclists and pedestrians in what still is a very car-oriented streetscape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, this is complicated.  I&#8217;ve been a bike commuter for decades and rode in some of the early Critical Mass rides, but I don&#8217;t anymore. Criticism aside, I have to respect a regular protest action that lasts for twenty years and has spread around the world.  That&#8217;s quite an achievement.</p>
<p>20 years ago, there seemed to be a mindset of &#8220;roads are for cars&#8221; that needed disrupting. Even before CM, I&#8217;ve had motorists throw things at me, swerve at me, shout &#8220;back on the sidewalk,&#8221; etc.  I think CM did a good job of exposing that it wasn&#8217;t just bike messengers and a few nutters who wanted to ride in the city, but rather a substantial and diverse group.  </p>
<p>Fast forward to the present, and things are a lot better for cyclists in SF and the US in general.  There are many, many more of us out there. There are bike lanes, facilities, and the civic government actually considers bicycles.  But, we have a public image problem. There are an extremely visible minority of cyclists who ride very badly. I&#8217;m not talking about Idaho Stops, but real red-light-blowing, wrong-side-of-the-street-riding recklessness.  There was recently a pedestrian death in SF where it seems likely that the cyclist who caused it was quite reckless. </p>
<p>In 20 years, cyclists in SF have gone from being ignored to having a seat at the table.  As a community, we need to modulate our actions from getting ourselves noticed (which CM did quite well) to demonstrating that we deserve to have this seat (which we do).  Last year, I rode by a SF Bike Coalition Booth that was handing out free lights to commuters. Great!  I would like to see the next 20 years of CM characterized by an emphasis on education &#8212; educating cyclists on riding safely and courteously, educating motorists and pedestrians about what to expect from cyclists, and educating the community on how we can accomodate cyclists and pedestrians in what still is a very car-oriented streetscape.</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there was a lot more downright anti-car sentiment around in Brixton in the early nineties (where I was) than in San Francisco. </description>
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		<title>By: Val A Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val A Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> You want reasons, I&#039;ll give them. 1) CM does not have even the vaguest set of rules. If you ride in a fashion that obeys traffic rules and the guy that rides past you blows that stop sign, hey you are part of the group and he just represented you very poorly. And you can&#039;t exclude the nutjobs.
2) CM does not encourage drivers that bikes are better forms of transportation, just obstacles. Nothing gives me more pleasure than riding passes cars when they are jammed up among themselves. Vice versa, nothing would make me unhappier than blocking traffic on my bike. It&#039;s a BICYCLE. It shouldn&#039;t be an obstacle and that&#039;s what CM turns it into.
 3) A good chunk of the people who ride in CM only ride in CM. Some of us commute every day, make left hand turns comfortably, stopping at busy intersections. Someone who comes out only once a month to ride in a MOB that says fuck the rules that prevent people from getting killed, i.e. stopping at busy intersections, is not a mob you take advice from.

I ride a lot and have commuted in Knoxville TN, Phoenix AZ, Santa Fe NM and Portland, OR for about 20 years. I ride with traffic and conduct myself as such. I have come through mostly unscathed, the altercations mostly verbal, so I claim some experience in the matter. The last reason I&#039;ll give is CM denies the fact a cyclist can be just as bad or worse as a motorist. &quot;Hey, I&#039;m riding a bicycle! I can do no harm!&quot; is a common theme in many a cyclist&#039;s head and it&#039;s just not true...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You want reasons, I&#8217;ll give them. 1) CM does not have even the vaguest set of rules. If you ride in a fashion that obeys traffic rules and the guy that rides past you blows that stop sign, hey you are part of the group and he just represented you very poorly. And you can&#8217;t exclude the nutjobs.<br />
2) CM does not encourage drivers that bikes are better forms of transportation, just obstacles. Nothing gives me more pleasure than riding passes cars when they are jammed up among themselves. Vice versa, nothing would make me unhappier than blocking traffic on my bike. It&#8217;s a BICYCLE. It shouldn&#8217;t be an obstacle and that&#8217;s what CM turns it into.<br />
 3) A good chunk of the people who ride in CM only ride in CM. Some of us commute every day, make left hand turns comfortably, stopping at busy intersections. Someone who comes out only once a month to ride in a MOB that says fuck the rules that prevent people from getting killed, i.e. stopping at busy intersections, is not a mob you take advice from.</p>
<p>I ride a lot and have commuted in Knoxville TN, Phoenix AZ, Santa Fe NM and Portland, OR for about 20 years. I ride with traffic and conduct myself as such. I have come through mostly unscathed, the altercations mostly verbal, so I claim some experience in the matter. The last reason I&#8217;ll give is CM denies the fact a cyclist can be just as bad or worse as a motorist. &#8220;Hey, I&#8217;m riding a bicycle! I can do no harm!&#8221; is a common theme in many a cyclist&#8217;s head and it&#8217;s just not true&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marja Erwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marja Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One example: when it takes the weight of a car in the left-turn lane to trigger the left-turn light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One example: when it takes the weight of a car in the left-turn lane to trigger the left-turn light.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew from Zhrodague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew from Zhrodague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps some people don&#039;t understand what Critical Mass has become, not what it is supposed to be. In Pittsburgh, this is where cyclists mob the streets, and drive two fucking miles an hour, blocking rush-hour traffic, and preventing car commuters from using the streets.  You read that right. This isn&#039;t a group of cyclists raising awareness, this is blatant assholeism, as these fucking bastards block traffic on bridges, and in major intersections. AT TWO MILES AN HOUR DURING RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. These bikes not only have their own lane in both directions, but were also occupying all 3 outbound car lanes, and also the other two inbound car lanes on the Birmingham bridge. All at two miles an hour. With cars trying to get out of the way, traffic building up, and these douchebags had a slow moving blockade. There&#039;s no excuse for this, and I fucking hate critical mass.
Discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps some people don&#8217;t understand what Critical Mass has become, not what it is supposed to be. In Pittsburgh, this is where cyclists mob the streets, and drive two fucking miles an hour, blocking rush-hour traffic, and preventing car commuters from using the streets.  You read that right. This isn&#8217;t a group of cyclists raising awareness, this is blatant assholeism, as these fucking bastards block traffic on bridges, and in major intersections. AT TWO MILES AN HOUR DURING RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. These bikes not only have their own lane in both directions, but were also occupying all 3 outbound car lanes, and also the other two inbound car lanes on the Birmingham bridge. All at two miles an hour. With cars trying to get out of the way, traffic building up, and these douchebags had a slow moving blockade. There&#8217;s no excuse for this, and I fucking hate critical mass.<br />
Discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Rene Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434538</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Rene Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 13:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I live in anti-cycling area and everybody drives like they might crap their pants, no turn signal use and are on cell phones even though its illegal. So lucky...
...in the bad way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I live in anti-cycling area and everybody drives like they might crap their pants, no turn signal use and are on cell phones even though its illegal. So lucky&#8230;<br />
&#8230;in the bad way.</p>
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		<title>By: violentbloom</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434539</link>
		<dc:creator>violentbloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 13:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got hit by a CM bicyclist in San Francisco while I was standing on the sidewalk, and then had to wait another ten minutes for the rest of the mob to pass.  The jerk didn&#039;t even stop to see if I was ok.  

 I can not even count the number of times I&#039;ve been flipped off as I nearly wreck trying to avoid a bicyclist running a stop light. It must happen at least once every time I drive in San Francisco.  

Pissing people off by this kind of behavior doesn&#039;t endear you to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got hit by a CM bicyclist in San Francisco while I was standing on the sidewalk, and then had to wait another ten minutes for the rest of the mob to pass.  The jerk didn&#8217;t even stop to see if I was ok.  </p>
<p> I can not even count the number of times I&#8217;ve been flipped off as I nearly wreck trying to avoid a bicyclist running a stop light. It must happen at least once every time I drive in San Francisco.  </p>
<p>Pissing people off by this kind of behavior doesn&#8217;t endear you to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: lecti</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434537</link>
		<dc:creator>lecti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about laws of the road that makes it safe for me to walk every morning to work?  I ride bike as well, but that doesn&#039;t mean I should be an asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about laws of the road that makes it safe for me to walk every morning to work?  I ride bike as well, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I should be an asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Rene Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434536</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Rene Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 12:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Those hills give you thick powerful attractive legs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Those hills give you thick powerful attractive legs.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Rene Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434534</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Rene Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 12:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> She was my Illustration 2 instructor at  AAU (AAC)! I learned a lot in that class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> She was my Illustration 2 instructor at  AAU (AAC)! I learned a lot in that class.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Lemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434527</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 12:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh.   I used to ride in Critical Mass, and I&#039;m definitely not anti-capitalist.   I am anti-unregulated capitalist, though—maybe that&#039;s what you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.   I used to ride in Critical Mass, and I&#8217;m definitely not anti-capitalist.   I am anti-unregulated capitalist, though—maybe that&#8217;s what you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Lemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434526</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 12:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correlation does not prove causation, but neither does it prove a lack of causation: results are _always_ correlated to their causes.   You describe the progressive movement as being completely divorced from Critical Mass, but really CM is part of that movement.   Not the whole thing, of course, but definitely a part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correlation does not prove causation, but neither does it prove a lack of causation: results are _always_ correlated to their causes.   You describe the progressive movement as being completely divorced from Critical Mass, but really CM is part of that movement.   Not the whole thing, of course, but definitely a part.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Lemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434525</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great place to ride, because of all those hills.   Depends on what kind of ride you like.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great place to ride, because of all those hills.   Depends on what kind of ride you like.   :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Lemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434524</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that if you discount the power of Critical Mass to get casual cyclists to start feeling like a movement, start to make a difference, and perhaps most importantly, start to ride their bikes more, then either you&#039;ve never ridden in a big mass, or you&#039;re fooling yourself.

It&#039;s true that there is some backlash from self-righteous motorists toward CM, but when I used to ride in the Bay Area around the time that CM got big, I didn&#039;t notice a particular increase in jerky behavior on the part of motorists—it was pretty common to begin with.

What I have noticed in the intervening 20 years is a lot more bicycle infrastructure, and a lot more awareness of the rights of bicyclists to be on the road.   I wouldn&#039;t want to claim that CM has been responsible for all of this, but I think it has played a major role, precisely because of it&#039;s ability to get people who hadn&#039;t previously identified as &quot;bicyclists&quot; to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if you discount the power of Critical Mass to get casual cyclists to start feeling like a movement, start to make a difference, and perhaps most importantly, start to ride their bikes more, then either you&#8217;ve never ridden in a big mass, or you&#8217;re fooling yourself.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that there is some backlash from self-righteous motorists toward CM, but when I used to ride in the Bay Area around the time that CM got big, I didn&#8217;t notice a particular increase in jerky behavior on the part of motorists—it was pretty common to begin with.</p>
<p>What I have noticed in the intervening 20 years is a lot more bicycle infrastructure, and a lot more awareness of the rights of bicyclists to be on the road.   I wouldn&#8217;t want to claim that CM has been responsible for all of this, but I think it has played a major role, precisely because of it&#8217;s ability to get people who hadn&#8217;t previously identified as &#8220;bicyclists&#8221; to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434506</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. But I suspect that others have/had more political aims which they do not state quite as openly as groups like RTS (Reclaim The Streets). Legally a public right of way is a right of way for GOODS and people. Most CM participants I have known were both anti-capitalist and anti-car. Maybe that&#039;s just me. How you would get participants to limit their participation to a single issue (however you might try to define that) I wouldn&#039;t know. Unless it is just sex, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. But I suspect that others have/had more political aims which they do not state quite as openly as groups like RTS (Reclaim The Streets). Legally a public right of way is a right of way for GOODS and people. Most CM participants I have known were both anti-capitalist and anti-car. Maybe that&#8217;s just me. How you would get participants to limit their participation to a single issue (however you might try to define that) I wouldn&#8217;t know. Unless it is just sex, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434505</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 11:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laws of the road that treat cyclists as an afterthought?

You can jam those laws where the sun don&#039;t shine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laws of the road that treat cyclists as an afterthought?</p>
<p>You can jam those laws where the sun don&#8217;t shine.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/05/25/critical-mass-20th-anniversary.html#comment-1434503</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 11:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Luckily, where I live, cycling for transportation is nearly unheard of&lt;/blockquote&gt;That&#039;s lucky, huh?

You can keep where you live. I&#039;m happy to live in a city where this supposed scourge exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Luckily, where I live, cycling for transportation is nearly unheard of</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s lucky, huh?</p>
<p>You can keep where you live. I&#8217;m happy to live in a city where this supposed scourge exists.</p>
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