The butler did it! Pope's butler is the leak behind Vatileaks

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53 Responses to “The butler did it! Pope's butler is the leak behind Vatileaks”

  1. bzishi says:

    So he’s the one that leaked that the Pope was dressing up at night and fighting crime. They don’t make butlers like they used to.

  2. That_Anonymous_Coward says:

    Question – Why would someone who is the voice for god, need to keep any secrets?

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      You want the Deplorable Word published in L’Osservatore Romano?

    • AlexG55 says:

      Well, as one example, Popes have secretly appointed bishops in countries where Catholics are persecuted.

      • That_Anonymous_Coward says:

        As someone persecuted by the church and its followers, my response is boo freaking hoo.
        I’ve never molested a child or participated in a cover up of those acts, pretty sure anything I’ve done pales in comparison to their acts but I’m still the bad guy.

        Could it be they are being persecuted by people just returning the favor?  Convert or starve maybe wasn’t the right way to do things.

  3. Larry says:

    But nobody seems concerned about the butler, who is now entombed somewhere in the Vatican, presumably. Since it is legally a separate country from Italy, I wonder what their due process procedures might be.  Do they have any?  History is probably not encouraging.  Not exactly a free and open society. 

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      He’ll be jailed in Italy. They have a deal.

      • Hegelian says:

         Yeah, there was a similar deal during the inquisition. The Church never executed anyone, that was done strictly by the state–but **accusing**, torturing and handing over for execution, that was done by the Church.

      • benher says:

        “He’ll be jailed in Italy. They have a deal.”

        By “he” you mean Benedict, right…? 

        Lie to me just once this night…

    • Adrian says:

      From the BBC (doesn’t exactly answer your question):
      ❝ The Vatican’s judge, Piero Antonio Bonnet, has been instructed to examine the evidence of the case and to decide whether there is sufficient material to proceed to trial.
      Mr Gabriele has nominated two lawyers capable of representing him at a Vatican tribunal, and has met with them.
      He would, the Vatican has said, have “all the juridical guarantees foreseen by the criminal code of the State of Vatican City”.
      As the Vatican has no jail, Mr Gabriele is being held in one of the three so-called “secure rooms” in the offices of the Vatican’s tiny police force inside the walled city-state, Reuters reports.
      If convicted, he could face a sentence of up to 30 years for illegal possession of documents of a head of state, probably to be served in an Italian prison due to an agreement between Italy and the Vatican, Italian media report .❞

      • Hegelian says:

        “If convicted, he could face a sentence of up to 30 years for illegal possession of documents of a head of state,”

        Oh, good grief. For a holding documents of a head of state who isn’t really a head of state, just head of a religion based in Italy. The Vatican is not a real country any more than Sea Land is, just a convenient legal fiction to give the Church immunity from taxation and criminal culpability.

        • ffabian says:

          I know that Anti-Catholizism is one of the deepest-held bias in the USA and UK but the Vatican IS a real Country, with a history far older than e.g. the USA. Perhaps you should brush up your history. 

          “religion based in Italy” – Sounds like Benedict is the leader of a small cult in Italy but the Roman Catholic Church is the world’s largest church with more than a billion members.

          • Marc Mielke says:

            Okay, a really BIG cult, then!

          • gingerbaker says:

             Nonsense.  The Vatican’s only claim to statehood is because Mussolini declared it a state.  It is not a  “real” country, nor is its history as a state anywhere close to being as long as the U.S.

            If anyone is showing bias, it is you, ffabian.

          • cosmichorror says:

            The Papal States have a history going back to the 8th century anyway.  A sixty-year gap of sovereignty in that history hardly nullifies the previous 1200 years, nor does a dependence on the sufferance of Mussolini.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_States

          • toyg says:

            @boingboing-9639f5b663c894c6eebf0f36beae2c5d:disqus  sorry dude, I’m as anti-Catholic as you’ll ever find, but the Vatican *is* indeed a proper State. Their diplomatic corps are infamous for their skills, and their sovereign funds are renowned for their opacity.

            I’d personally vote to put an end to the farce, but Catholics are still an overwhelming majority across Italy. Not that many of them really listen to the Church anymore, but for them it’s a bit like the Her Majesty in Britain: a colourful old geezer who can rope in boatloads of tourists, and reminds you that you have grannies you should visit more often.

        • Albie Farinas says:

          I encountered a very similar problem at Disney World….  It was a Kafkaesque experience…. 

    • Marc Mielke says:

      If he isn’t outright killed, the butler could hardly end up worse than the American soldier responsible for the earlier Wikileaks, Bradley Manning. Manning is practically ‘entombed’ in America!

  4. Mitchell Glaser says:

    Rumor has it that the documents involved are several choice issues of “Tights and Miters: A Potpourri of Popery” that the butler lifted from the collection of His Holiness.

  5. BarBarSeven says:

    Glad this happened without a drawn out inquisition. The Jewish people have suffered enough.

  6. Guido says:

    Leak documents: 30 years in jail.

    Fuck kiddies: Pray 30 rosaries

  7. Hegelian says:

     Don’t forget, attempt to ordain a women: Instant excommunication, no questions asked. Serial rape of children by priests? Get a free new post. Not a single excommunication that I’ve heard of.

  8. sdnative1958 says:

    Oh my Flyingspaghettimonster!

  9. Neural Kernel says:

    He’s a valet, not a butler.

  10. Syd says:

    Don’t worry they will forgive him.

    • Wreckrob8 says:

      Forgiveness of sins is for the sake of the non-sinners – a redemptive break from the past once the Church no longer exists. It’s days are numbered. That’s fucking evident. They keep saying so.

  11. hakuin says:

     http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Lurch_film.jpg/250px-Lurch_film.jpg

  12. Moriarty says:

    Why would the Vatican need to bother with earthly prisons? Couldn’t they just arrange some extra years in purgatory once the butler dies?

    • toyg says:

      Purgatory is a… controversial topic among the Cult. Think about it: if everyone could just pay for their sins with a brief stint in limbo, the incentive to actually not commit those sins would reduce quite dramatically. So it’s basically only used for pre-Jesus personalities who cannot be ignored, like Greek philosophers, i.e. people who couldn’t know about “the Right Way”, but nonetheless spoke the truth (or something the Cult likes or needs). I believe the current “Man in White” himself at one point denied that Purgatory was an actual place where souls could hang around.

      • AlexG55 says:

        Purgatory and limbo are different things. Purgatory is a temporary state (formerly considered a place) of unhappiness where the dead go before going on to heaven. The more you sinned in life, the longer you spend there, and going to confession doesn’t keep you out of it- confession just stops you going to Hell instead.

        Limbo, on the other hand, was a place where the virtuous unbaptised went because they weren’t sinful enough to go to Hell but weren’t Christian so couldn’t get into Heaven. It contained a rather strange mix of Greek philosophers (plus other virtuous pagans) and babies who died before they could be baptised. Belief in limbo was abolished by the current pope who said that its inhabitants are in heaven. Given that I know at least one person whose faith was destroyed by the idea of limbo, it does seem to be a good thing it’s gone.

  13. MrJM says:

    #Vatican2Probs

  14. miasm says:

    I had a plumb witty comment all worked out concerning the butler presenting evidence of Europe’s largest money laundering business and being told to get some NEW evidence but then I RTFA and I found this gem, which trumps anything I could ever make up:

    “It doesn’t seem likely that he is the only one responsible for VatiLeaks because many of the documents that came out didn’t ever pass through the pope’s apartment where he works,” said Paolo Rodari, a Vatican expert for the Italian daily Il Foglio. “His arrest seems more the Vatican’s desire to find a scapegoat.”

    ಠ_ಠ

  15. hacky says:

    The vatileaks website seems somewhat trashy.  As far as I can tell, they’re selling a book.

    • onereader says:

      AFAICT that website has nothing to do with the current scandal, or with the true corruption in the Roman Catholic Church. It’s full of rehashed Anglo-Saxon Anti-Popery, it reminds me of the websites peddling the Protocols of the Elders of Sion or the Reptilian conspiracy.

  16. pebird says:

    The butler did it, in the Sistine Chapel with the chalice.

  17. Lol. the butler did it!

  18. eldueno says:

    With a name like Maria, any butler would be suspect, even the Pope’s.

  19. Funk Daddy says:

    Picture angry Cardinals and a Pope singing;

    How do you solve a problem like Maria?
    How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
    How do you find a word that means Maria?
    A flibbertijibbet! A will-o’-the wisp! A clown!

  20. SightseeMC says:

    Yes, it’s a good punchline. But it’s also quite the assumption that the person arrested is the “guilty party,” something I expect BoingBoing of all places to recognize and not make the headline of a piece.

    Between this and the lazy “stupid NASA paper bureaucracy vs.awesome SpaceX widescreens” assumption I’m a little disappointed in the last couple of days of BB.

    (Yes, I should post more when I am pleased, but I am almost always pleased and generally just share with friends instead of dropping a note of praise here. Take this as my note to self to let you know how often I think this is great and not just when I’m prickled by something.)

    • Funk Daddy says:

      Consider that on BoingBoing it may be that the guilty party of such a debacle as this is more likely to be celebrated than berated for their actions. 

  21. BBNinja says:

    Great!  They’ve caught the guy leaking information to the press.  Now that they have that out of the way maybe they can do something about all these pesky child molesters just getting shuffled from one place to another and being swept under the rug while they continue to rape children which is still going on even after years of the Catholic Church being dragged through the mud and court for it.

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