Comments on: The butler did it! Pope's butler is the leak behind Vatileaks http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Mon, 20 May 2013 20:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Albie Farinas http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435834 Albie Farinas Mon, 28 May 2012 15:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435834 I encountered a very similar problem at Disney World....  It was a Kafkaesque experience....  I encountered a very similar problem at Disney World….  It was a Kafkaesque experience…. 

]]> By: AlexG55 http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435805 AlexG55 Mon, 28 May 2012 14:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435805 I'm fairly sure Stalin wasn't "just returning the favor". I’m fairly sure Stalin wasn’t “just returning the favor”.

]]> By: BBNinja http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435696 BBNinja Mon, 28 May 2012 09:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435696 Great!  They've caught the guy leaking information to the press.  Now that they have that out of the way maybe they can do something about all these pesky child molesters just getting shuffled from one place to another and being swept under the rug while they continue to rape children which is still going on even after years of the Catholic Church being dragged through the mud and court for it. Great!  They’ve caught the guy leaking information to the press.  Now that they have that out of the way maybe they can do something about all these pesky child molesters just getting shuffled from one place to another and being swept under the rug while they continue to rape children which is still going on even after years of the Catholic Church being dragged through the mud and court for it.

]]> By: That_Anonymous_Coward http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435693 That_Anonymous_Coward Mon, 28 May 2012 09:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435693 As someone persecuted by the church and its followers, my response is boo freaking hoo. I've never molested a child or participated in a cover up of those acts, pretty sure anything I've done pales in comparison to their acts but I'm still the bad guy. Could it be they are being persecuted by people just returning the favor?  Convert or starve maybe wasn't the right way to do things. As someone persecuted by the church and its followers, my response is boo freaking hoo.
I’ve never molested a child or participated in a cover up of those acts, pretty sure anything I’ve done pales in comparison to their acts but I’m still the bad guy.

Could it be they are being persecuted by people just returning the favor?  Convert or starve maybe wasn’t the right way to do things.

]]> By: benher http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435679 benher Mon, 28 May 2012 08:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435679 Wrong! The Pope did it! In the Rectory! With the candlestick! Wrong! The Pope did it! In the Rectory! With the candlestick!

]]> By: benher http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435677 benher Mon, 28 May 2012 08:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435677 If Ockham's razor were literal, exactly how big would it have to be to trim all this fat off? If Ockham’s razor were literal, exactly how big would it have to be to trim all this fat off?

]]> By: benher http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435676 benher Mon, 28 May 2012 08:37:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435676 "He'll be jailed in Italy. They have a deal." By "he" you mean Benedict, right...?  Lie to me just once this night... “He’ll be jailed in Italy. They have a deal.”

By “he” you mean Benedict, right…? 

Lie to me just once this night…

]]> By: Funk Daddy http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435606 Funk Daddy Mon, 28 May 2012 03:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435606 Consider that on BoingBoing it may be that the guilty party of such a debacle as this is more likely to be celebrated than berated for their actions.  Consider that on BoingBoing it may be that the guilty party of such a debacle as this is more likely to be celebrated than berated for their actions. 

]]> By: SightseeMC http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435595 SightseeMC Mon, 28 May 2012 03:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435595 Yes, it's a good punchline. But it's also quite the assumption that the person arrested is the "guilty party," something I expect BoingBoing of all places to recognize and not make the headline of a piece. Between this and the lazy "stupid NASA paper bureaucracy vs.awesome SpaceX widescreens" assumption I'm a little disappointed in the last couple of days of BB. (Yes, I should post more when I am pleased, but I am almost always pleased and generally just share with friends instead of dropping a note of praise here. Take this as my note to self to let you know how often I think this is great and not just when I'm prickled by something.) Yes, it’s a good punchline. But it’s also quite the assumption that the person arrested is the “guilty party,” something I expect BoingBoing of all places to recognize and not make the headline of a piece.

Between this and the lazy “stupid NASA paper bureaucracy vs.awesome SpaceX widescreens” assumption I’m a little disappointed in the last couple of days of BB.

(Yes, I should post more when I am pleased, but I am almost always pleased and generally just share with friends instead of dropping a note of praise here. Take this as my note to self to let you know how often I think this is great and not just when I’m prickled by something.)

]]> By: awjt http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435511 awjt Mon, 28 May 2012 00:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435511 Italy is the Vatican's parasitic twin.  They've been through this shower routine ten thousand times. Italy is the Vatican’s parasitic twin.  They’ve been through this shower routine ten thousand times.

]]> By: AlexG55 http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435454 AlexG55 Sun, 27 May 2012 22:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435454 Purgatory and limbo are different things. Purgatory is a temporary state (formerly considered a place) of unhappiness where the dead go before going on to heaven. The more you sinned in life, the longer you spend there, and going to confession doesn't keep you out of it- confession just stops you going to Hell instead. Limbo, on the other hand, was a place where the virtuous unbaptised went because they weren't sinful enough to go to Hell but weren't Christian so couldn't get into Heaven. It contained a rather strange mix of Greek philosophers (plus other virtuous pagans) and babies who died before they could be baptised. Belief in limbo was abolished by the current pope who said that its inhabitants are in heaven. Given that I know at least one person whose faith was destroyed by the idea of limbo, it does seem to be a good thing it's gone. Purgatory and limbo are different things. Purgatory is a temporary state (formerly considered a place) of unhappiness where the dead go before going on to heaven. The more you sinned in life, the longer you spend there, and going to confession doesn’t keep you out of it- confession just stops you going to Hell instead.

Limbo, on the other hand, was a place where the virtuous unbaptised went because they weren’t sinful enough to go to Hell but weren’t Christian so couldn’t get into Heaven. It contained a rather strange mix of Greek philosophers (plus other virtuous pagans) and babies who died before they could be baptised. Belief in limbo was abolished by the current pope who said that its inhabitants are in heaven. Given that I know at least one person whose faith was destroyed by the idea of limbo, it does seem to be a good thing it’s gone.

]]> By: Funk Daddy http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435402 Funk Daddy Sun, 27 May 2012 20:44:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435402 Picture angry Cardinals and a Pope singing; How do you solve a problem like Maria? How do you catch a cloud and pin it down? How do you find a word that means Maria? A flibbertijibbet! A will-o'-the wisp! A clown! Picture angry Cardinals and a Pope singing;

How do you solve a problem like Maria?
How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
How do you find a word that means Maria?
A flibbertijibbet! A will-o’-the wisp! A clown!

]]> By: irksome http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435376 irksome Sun, 27 May 2012 20:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435376 The lilies of the valet..? The lilies of the valet..?

]]> By: toyg http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435364 toyg Sun, 27 May 2012 19:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435364 Purgatory is a... controversial topic among the Cult. Think about it: if everyone could just pay for their sins with a brief stint in limbo, the incentive to actually not commit those sins would reduce quite dramatically. So it's basically only used for pre-Jesus personalities who cannot be ignored, like Greek philosophers, i.e. people who couldn't know about "the Right Way", but nonetheless spoke the truth (or something the Cult likes or needs). I believe the current "Man in White" himself at one point denied that Purgatory was an actual place where souls could hang around. Purgatory is a… controversial topic among the Cult. Think about it: if everyone could just pay for their sins with a brief stint in limbo, the incentive to actually not commit those sins would reduce quite dramatically. So it’s basically only used for pre-Jesus personalities who cannot be ignored, like Greek philosophers, i.e. people who couldn’t know about “the Right Way”, but nonetheless spoke the truth (or something the Cult likes or needs). I believe the current “Man in White” himself at one point denied that Purgatory was an actual place where souls could hang around.

]]> By: toyg http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435356 toyg Sun, 27 May 2012 19:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435356 @boingboing-9639f5b663c894c6eebf0f36beae2c5d:disqus  sorry dude, I'm as anti-Catholic as you'll ever find, but the Vatican *is* indeed a proper State. Their diplomatic corps are infamous for their skills, and their sovereign funds are renowned for their opacity. I'd personally vote to put an end to the farce, but Catholics are still an overwhelming majority across Italy. Not that many of them really listen to the Church anymore, but for them it's a bit like the Her Majesty in Britain: a colourful old geezer who can rope in boatloads of tourists, and reminds you that you have grannies you should visit more often. @boingboing-9639f5b663c894c6eebf0f36beae2c5d:disqus  sorry dude, I’m as anti-Catholic as you’ll ever find, but the Vatican *is* indeed a proper State. Their diplomatic corps are infamous for their skills, and their sovereign funds are renowned for their opacity.

I’d personally vote to put an end to the farce, but Catholics are still an overwhelming majority across Italy. Not that many of them really listen to the Church anymore, but for them it’s a bit like the Her Majesty in Britain: a colourful old geezer who can rope in boatloads of tourists, and reminds you that you have grannies you should visit more often.

]]> By: toyg http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435351 toyg Sun, 27 May 2012 19:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435351 That sounds a lot like the Italian political process. That sounds a lot like the Italian political process.

]]> By: cosmichorror http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435332 cosmichorror Sun, 27 May 2012 18:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435332 The Papal States have a history going back to the 8th century anyway.  A sixty-year gap of sovereignty in that history hardly nullifies the previous 1200 years, nor does a dependence on the sufferance of Mussolini. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_States The Papal States have a history going back to the 8th century anyway.  A sixty-year gap of sovereignty in that history hardly nullifies the previous 1200 years, nor does a dependence on the sufferance of Mussolini.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_States

]]> By: eldueno http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435327 eldueno Sun, 27 May 2012 18:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435327 With a name like Maria, any butler would be suspect, even the Pope's. With a name like Maria, any butler would be suspect, even the Pope’s.

]]> By: gingerbaker http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435318 gingerbaker Sun, 27 May 2012 18:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435318  Nonsense.  The Vatican's only claim to statehood is because Mussolini declared it a state.  It is not a  "real" country, nor is its history as a state anywhere close to being as long as the U.S. If anyone is showing bias, it is you, ffabian.  Nonsense.  The Vatican’s only claim to statehood is because Mussolini declared it a state.  It is not a  “real” country, nor is its history as a state anywhere close to being as long as the U.S.

If anyone is showing bias, it is you, ffabian.

]]> By: onereader http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435314 onereader Sun, 27 May 2012 17:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435314 AFAICT that website has nothing to do with the current scandal, or with the true corruption in the Roman Catholic Church. It's full of rehashed Anglo-Saxon Anti-Popery, it reminds me of the websites peddling the Protocols of the Elders of Sion or the Reptilian conspiracy. AFAICT that website has nothing to do with the current scandal, or with the true corruption in the Roman Catholic Church. It’s full of rehashed Anglo-Saxon Anti-Popery, it reminds me of the websites peddling the Protocols of the Elders of Sion or the Reptilian conspiracy.

]]> By: northierthanthou http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435270 northierthanthou Sun, 27 May 2012 16:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435270 Lol. the butler did it! Lol. the butler did it!

]]> By: pebird http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435264 pebird Sun, 27 May 2012 15:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435264 The butler did it, in the Sistine Chapel with the chalice. The butler did it, in the Sistine Chapel with the chalice.

]]> By: hacky http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435260 hacky Sun, 27 May 2012 15:52:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435260 The vatileaks website seems somewhat trashy.  As far as I can tell, they're selling a book. The vatileaks website seems somewhat trashy.  As far as I can tell, they’re selling a book.

]]> By: Ultan http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435258 Ultan Sun, 27 May 2012 15:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435258  "No man is a hero to his valet." -Hegel  ”No man is a hero to his valet.” -Hegel

]]> By: miasm http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435246 miasm Sun, 27 May 2012 15:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435246 I had a plumb witty comment all worked out concerning the butler presenting evidence of Europe's largest money laundering business and being told to get some NEW evidence but then I RTFA and I found this gem, which trumps anything I could ever make up: “It doesn’t seem likely that he is the only one responsible for VatiLeaks because many of the documents that came out didn’t ever pass through the pope’s apartment where he works,” said Paolo Rodari, a Vatican expert for the Italian daily Il Foglio. “His arrest seems more the Vatican’s desire to find a scapegoat.” ಠ_ಠ I had a plumb witty comment all worked out concerning the butler presenting evidence of Europe’s largest money laundering business and being told to get some NEW evidence but then I RTFA and I found this gem, which trumps anything I could ever make up:

“It doesn’t seem likely that he is the only one responsible for VatiLeaks because many of the documents that came out didn’t ever pass through the pope’s apartment where he works,” said Paolo Rodari, a Vatican expert for the Italian daily Il Foglio. “His arrest seems more the Vatican’s desire to find a scapegoat.”

ಠ_ಠ

]]> By: MrJM http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435237 MrJM Sun, 27 May 2012 15:07:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435237 #Vatican2Probs #Vatican2Probs

]]> By: Moriarty http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435181 Moriarty Sun, 27 May 2012 12:37:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435181 Why would the Vatican need to bother with earthly prisons? Couldn't they just arrange some extra years in purgatory once the butler dies? Why would the Vatican need to bother with earthly prisons? Couldn’t they just arrange some extra years in purgatory once the butler dies?

]]> By: hakuin http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435171 hakuin Sun, 27 May 2012 12:12:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435171  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Lurch_film.jpg/250px-Lurch_film.jpg  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Lurch_film.jpg/250px-Lurch_film.jpg

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435130 Wreckrob8 Sun, 27 May 2012 10:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435130 Many a true word...? Many a true word…?

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/05/26/the-butler-did-it-popes-but.html#comment-1435119 Wreckrob8 Sun, 27 May 2012 09:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163175#comment-1435119 Forgiveness of sins is for the sake of the non-sinners - a redemptive break from the past once the Church no longer exists. It's days are numbered. That's fucking evident. They keep saying so. Forgiveness of sins is for the sake of the non-sinners – a redemptive break from the past once the Church no longer exists. It’s days are numbered. That’s fucking evident. They keep saying so.

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