Comments on: Game of Thrones recap: The Rains of Castamere http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 20 Jun 2013 01:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Jonathan Roberts http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1438240 Jonathan Roberts Thu, 31 May 2012 17:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1438240 I was more creeped out by that scene having not read the books. After seeing the soldier on the ramparts getting the top of his head sliced off I half expected  Tyrion's head to fall apart after a second or two. I was more creeped out by that scene having not read the books. After seeing the soldier on the ramparts getting the top of his head sliced off I half expected  Tyrion’s head to fall apart after a second or two.

]]> By: Bobsyeruncle http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1437850 Bobsyeruncle Thu, 31 May 2012 07:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1437850  Still, pretty cool.  It would be awesome if Wilko Johnson (Sir Ilyn Payne) had a crack at interpreting the song.  Complete with the "Wilko Strut" of course. :D  Still, pretty cool.  It would be awesome if Wilko Johnson (Sir Ilyn Payne) had a crack at interpreting the song.  Complete with the “Wilko Strut” of course. :D

]]> By: Bart Stikkers http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1437490 Bart Stikkers Wed, 30 May 2012 21:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1437490 I guess the nuanced portrayal of all the characters is done -in part- to emphasise that they all share a far more dangerous common enemy that most of them are completely ignoring; the Others. That iron throne isn't going to be of any use to anyone if all the warring amongst themselves leaves them unprepared to deal with the real threat. I guess the nuanced portrayal of all the characters is done -in part- to emphasise that they all share a far more dangerous common enemy that most of them are completely ignoring; the Others. That iron throne isn’t going to be of any use to anyone if all the warring amongst themselves leaves them unprepared to deal with the real threat.

]]> By: Bart Stikkers http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1437473 Bart Stikkers Wed, 30 May 2012 21:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1437473 I think it was mainly budget constraints. This show probably has a lot of dough behind it, but not the LotR amounts that you'd need to portray the battles in a way more faithful to the books. I think it was mainly budget constraints. This show probably has a lot of dough behind it, but not the LotR amounts that you’d need to portray the battles in a way more faithful to the books.

]]> By: RedShirt77 http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1437364 RedShirt77 Wed, 30 May 2012 19:56:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1437364 Fingers crossed, I do think they could have done somethings better while still on the cheap, stretched it over two episodes, do some distant shots of troop movements with relatively cheap graphics.  Maybe shot it creatively so you couldn't count the 25 guys that were fighting the 50 guys.  and some setting where it wasn't clear the beach was only 100 feet wide and couldn't actually hold any army...   or maybe not hype the battle over a whole season if they know it will be small potatoes. But maybe they went lame so all of us would advocate a bigger budget. Fingers crossed,

I do think they could have done somethings better while still on the cheap, stretched it over two episodes, do some distant shots of troop movements with relatively cheap graphics.  Maybe shot it creatively so you couldn’t count the 25 guys that were fighting the 50 guys.  and some setting where it wasn’t clear the beach was only 100 feet wide and couldn’t actually hold any army…   or maybe not hype the battle over a whole season if they know it will be small potatoes.

But maybe they went lame so all of us would advocate a bigger budget.

]]> By: Brian Gardner http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1437015 Brian Gardner Wed, 30 May 2012 10:34:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1437015 Keep saying it, maybe they'll give the show more money for the big stuff in season 3.  Let's hope so.  Shall we sing a hymn? I think HBO is a little shy after Rome.  Rome had some bad mofo battles with some great mofo actors, but it cost buku bucks.  It's still a wierd middle ground between cheap network shows and cinema event type movies.  For the middle ground it was really epic. Keep saying it, maybe they’ll give the show more money for the big stuff in season 3.  Let’s hope so.  Shall we sing a hymn?

I think HBO is a little shy after Rome.  Rome had some bad mofo battles with some great mofo actors, but it cost buku bucks.  It’s still a wierd middle ground between cheap network shows and cinema event type movies.  For the middle ground it was really epic.

]]> By: Brian Gardner http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1437012 Brian Gardner Wed, 30 May 2012 10:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1437012 Lucky for us they're gushing over a pretty excellent television show with actual stuff to say about a lot of things that matter.   We can gush over sports ladders later if that will give you some relief. Any argument you ever make about anything is only going to be as good as what you use to back it up.  If you've not seen the show, then you've little but your indignation to stand on.  Ever tried to stand on indignation?  It's horribly intangible.  Not a good foundation for anything. I get your point about fandom being choosy, but you've got to know your subject first.   (Also: NBA style brackets for SoIAF characters?  Does it just automatically end in a deathmatch between Khal Drogo and Gregor Clegane with Syrio Forel as a surprise outlier?) Lucky for us they’re gushing over a pretty excellent television show with actual stuff to say about a lot of things that matter.   We can gush over sports ladders later if that will give you some relief.

Any argument you ever make about anything is only going to be as good as what you use to back it up.  If you’ve not seen the show, then you’ve little but your indignation to stand on.  Ever tried to stand on indignation?  It’s horribly intangible.  Not a good foundation for anything.

I get your point about fandom being choosy, but you’ve got to know your subject first.  

(Also: NBA style brackets for SoIAF characters?  Does it just automatically end in a deathmatch between Khal Drogo and Gregor Clegane with Syrio Forel as a surprise outlier?)

]]> By: Brian Gardner http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1437010 Brian Gardner Wed, 30 May 2012 10:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1437010 Teapot, you're just being a hater.  Never, ever hate on something  just for the reason that other people like it.  It says nothing about them and everything about you.  Don't play to lose like that.  You think you're clever.  Good first step.  Act like it.  That's part two. Teapot, you’re just being a hater.  Never, ever hate on something  just for the reason that other people like it.  It says nothing about them and everything about you.  Don’t play to lose like that.  You think you’re clever.  Good first step.  Act like it.  That’s part two.

]]> By: RedShirt77 http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436930 RedShirt77 Wed, 30 May 2012 04:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436930 Ok, all I could think, was why did that epic siege only take up 45 minutes? Kings landing has never been breached? everyone was preparing to starve to death? Well the walls require only the shittiest of ladders and apparently 6 guys wearing a bat can bust in the gates. It ain't no helms deep Love the drama, the battles seem to pretty anti-climactic. Ok, all I could think, was why did that epic siege only take up 45 minutes? Kings landing has never been breached? everyone was preparing to starve to death? Well the walls require only the shittiest of ladders and apparently 6 guys wearing a bat can bust in the gates. It ain’t no helms deep

Love the drama, the battles seem to pretty anti-climactic.

]]> By: teapot http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436911 teapot Wed, 30 May 2012 03:44:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436911 Sure, go ahead and reframe my comment as best suits your rebuttal... don't bother yourself with the details of, you know, what I actually said. Did I say don't enjoy it? Nope. What I was getting at (which you clearly missed because someone dared question the value of yet-another-recap of your beloved TV show) was that sport gets railed on by BB editors due to the mindless fanaticism that is characteristic of it. But when the same levels of fanaticism are applied to a TV show it's OK? I was just pointing out what seems to be a glaring double-standard... no need for all of you to get pissy. It's not my problem if you can't understand concepts that aren't clearly laid out for you. In any case, check your reading comprehension skills bud(s). I never said people can't enjoy the show. I just said the internet doesn't need another place to discuss this show considering it's everywhere already. Can you refute that? Because that's what I said. PS: Yeah.. I'm gonna be <i>heaps</i> more likely to watch the damn show now that I've been called a childish hater and instructed to do so. PPS: I notice you're all new here. Thanks for blowing in to discuss a TV show - final bastion of true and meaningful storytelling. I await being awestruck by the insight of your upcoming comments. Sure, go ahead and reframe my comment as best suits your rebuttal… don’t bother yourself with the details of, you know, what I actually said.

Did I say don’t enjoy it? Nope. What I was getting at (which you clearly missed because someone dared question the value of yet-another-recap of your beloved TV show) was that sport gets railed on by BB editors due to the mindless fanaticism that is characteristic of it. But when the same levels of fanaticism are applied to a TV show it’s OK? I was just pointing out what seems to be a glaring double-standard… no need for all of you to get pissy. It’s not my problem if you can’t understand concepts that aren’t clearly laid out for you.

In any case, check your reading comprehension skills bud(s). I never said people can’t enjoy the show. I just said the internet doesn’t need another place to discuss this show considering it’s everywhere already. Can you refute that? Because that’s what I said.

PS: Yeah.. I’m gonna be heaps more likely to watch the damn show now that I’ve been called a childish hater and instructed to do so.

PPS: I notice you’re all new here. Thanks for blowing in to discuss a TV show – final bastion of true and meaningful storytelling. I await being awestruck by the insight of your upcoming comments.

]]> By: teapot http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436904 teapot Wed, 30 May 2012 03:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436904 So original. I've never seen this concept illustrated before. You've really opened my eyes. So original. I’ve never seen this concept illustrated before. You’ve really opened my eyes.

]]> By: DevinC http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436816 DevinC Wed, 30 May 2012 00:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436816 I thought the fight choreography was decent, considering they didn't have unlimited pots of Lannister gold to throw at it. I thought the fight choreography was decent, considering they didn’t have unlimited pots of Lannister gold to throw at it.

]]> By: DevinC http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436810 DevinC Wed, 30 May 2012 00:49:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436810 1) Battle at night in premodern conditions - naval or land - was historically very difficult due to the problems of command and control.  Heraldry was specifically developed with the aim of allowing identification from a distance (that's the source of the rules for no colours-on-colours, etc.)   So a night attack is pretty unrealistic, yeah.   2) The fake lighthouse is actually a pretty good idea.  However, Ser Davos is a pretty epic seaman, and probably wouldn't be fooled by such a thing. 3) Maybe it was.  A ditch likely wouldn't have helped much, though.  The attackers would have just improvised a bridge.  They wouldn't be much more vulnerable there than coming through the gate itself. 4) They may have, in case the fire ship didn't get all the enemy.  But once Stannis' forces knew the Lannisters had wildfire, they likely would have just landed their troops out of range.  The fire ship, although it was a big gamble, was the right call. 5) Davos prevailed upon Stannis to not invite her along. 1) Battle at night in premodern conditions – naval or land – was historically very difficult due to the problems of command and control.  Heraldry was specifically developed with the aim of allowing identification from a distance (that’s the source of the rules for no colours-on-colours, etc.)  

So a night attack is pretty unrealistic, yeah.  

2) The fake lighthouse is actually a pretty good idea.  However, Ser Davos is a pretty epic seaman, and probably wouldn’t be fooled by such a thing.

3) Maybe it was.  A ditch likely wouldn’t have helped much, though.  The attackers would have just improvised a bridge.  They wouldn’t be much more vulnerable there than coming through the gate itself.

4) They may have, in case the fire ship didn’t get all the enemy.  But once Stannis’ forces knew the Lannisters had wildfire, they likely would have just landed their troops out of range.  The fire ship, although it was a big gamble, was the right call.

5) Davos prevailed upon Stannis to not invite her along.

]]> By: DevinC http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436807 DevinC Wed, 30 May 2012 00:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436807 I agree, I thought there was much too much closeup.  Other than the naval battle it looked like a battle held in lots of small disparate venues.  Of course, budgetary reasons matter, and that ~is how a close-order battle seems to its participants. As for the oil and sticks, they really weren't necessary.  We saw the rocks and knew the defenders were fighting back.  It wouldn't have added much to show the viewer more defensive techniques. I agree, I thought there was much too much closeup.  Other than the naval battle it looked like a battle held in lots of small disparate venues.  Of course, budgetary reasons matter, and that ~is how a close-order battle seems to its participants.

As for the oil and sticks, they really weren’t necessary.  We saw the rocks and knew the defenders were fighting back.  It wouldn’t have added much to show the viewer more defensive techniques.

]]> By: DevinC http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436803 DevinC Wed, 30 May 2012 00:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436803 I think they deleted the chain because it just would have sucked up screen time and viewer attention.  Once the fire ship went foom, viewers knew what was happening.  Adding the chain would have just potentially confused people in a fast-moving scene. I think they deleted the chain because it just would have sucked up screen time and viewer attention.  Once the fire ship went foom, viewers knew what was happening.  Adding the chain would have just potentially confused people in a fast-moving scene.

]]> By: DevinC http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436797 DevinC Wed, 30 May 2012 00:26:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436797 I thought he got captured, too, so it was an easy enough mistake to make. I thought he got captured, too, so it was an easy enough mistake to make.

]]> By: Katie Tippelt-Dempsey http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436739 Katie Tippelt-Dempsey Tue, 29 May 2012 23:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436739 Bahaha!  As if!  Bahaha!  As if! 

]]> By: Katie Tippelt-Dempsey http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436737 Katie Tippelt-Dempsey Tue, 29 May 2012 23:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436737 Note however, that she didn't attend the battle, and they LOST.  So her "perceived credit" has been reinforced yet again... Note however, that she didn’t attend the battle, and they LOST.  So her “perceived credit” has been reinforced yet again…

]]> By: anansi133 http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436596 anansi133 Tue, 29 May 2012 21:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436596 Back when the shrub was handed the crown by SCOTUS I wanted so badly to hang him in effigy wearing a king george outfit. I chickened out with the prospect of having a relationship with the secret service , though. Back when the shrub was handed the crown by SCOTUS I wanted so badly to hang him in effigy wearing a king george outfit. I chickened out with the prospect of having a relationship with the secret service , though.

]]> By: cmpalmer http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436573 cmpalmer Tue, 29 May 2012 21:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436573 The Bear and the Maiden Fair (awesome version, not stylistically correct for the show, but...)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ0rzsNfmIc The Bear and the Maiden Fair (awesome version, not stylistically correct for the show, but…)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ0rzsNfmIc

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436421 Jim Saul Tue, 29 May 2012 17:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436421 Yeah, he gave them the major plot points for the rest of the story arc and resolutions just in case. I'm sure he can change his mind during the writing if he finds a better path. Yeah, he gave them the major plot points for the rest of the story arc and resolutions just in case. I’m sure he can change his mind during the writing if he finds a better path.

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436409 Jim Saul Tue, 29 May 2012 17:37:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436409 I'm still hoping that Syrio is Jaqen H'Ghar. Here's a snap of Ser Mandon making Tyrion's Bad Day. I thought he was in red on first viewing, but it's just all the blood. The triple crested helmet and crown breastplate were definitely visible though. I’m still hoping that Syrio is Jaqen H’Ghar.

Here’s a snap of Ser Mandon making Tyrion’s Bad Day. I thought he was in red on first viewing, but it’s just all the blood. The triple crested helmet and crown breastplate were definitely visible though.

]]> By: Jim Saul http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436401 Jim Saul Tue, 29 May 2012 17:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436401 I missed the chain too. Maybe they thought it would look unrealistic. I missed the chain too. Maybe they thought it would look unrealistic.

]]> By: Roose_Bolton http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436396 Roose_Bolton Tue, 29 May 2012 17:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436396 "Oh, fuck me..." “Oh, fuck me…”

]]> By: Roose_Bolton http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436394 Roose_Bolton Tue, 29 May 2012 17:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436394 hymenopterid - Oh, he did. I'm referring to a crackpot theory that I really shouldn't go into here; don't want to ruin anything for anyone. ETA - for clarity, I should note that it is most definitely *not* known that Meryn and Syrio are the same person, it's totally just a theory. The "it is known" is itself simply a meme from the books, something Dany's handmaidens are fond of saying, ad nauseum. hymenopterid – Oh, he did. I’m referring to a crackpot theory that I really shouldn’t go into here; don’t want to ruin anything for anyone.

ETA – for clarity, I should note that it is most definitely *not* known that Meryn and Syrio are the same person, it’s totally just a theory. The “it is known” is itself simply a meme from the books, something Dany’s handmaidens are fond of saying, ad nauseum.

]]> By: hymenopterid http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436389 hymenopterid Tue, 29 May 2012 17:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436389 I don't know about Syrio being Meryn, unless I'm not supposed to know that yet. I thought Syrio fought Meryn in book one when he came to take Arya. Is this a divergence of the books and show? http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Mandon_Moore I'm wondering if they didn't just make that a composite character. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Meryn_Trant A lot of my impressions are based on the actors appearances, so maybe there are two actors who look similar with a kingsgaurd helmet on. (Edit) The best I could find is that Mandon is played by an unknown extra, which would make him not Ian Beattie. (Oh George, so many charachters) I don’t know about Syrio being Meryn, unless I’m not supposed to know that yet. I thought Syrio fought Meryn in book one when he came to take Arya.

Is this a divergence of the books and show?
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Mandon_Moore
I’m wondering if they didn’t just make that a composite character.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Meryn_Trant

A lot of my impressions are based on the actors appearances, so maybe there are two actors who look similar with a kingsgaurd helmet on. (Edit) The best I could find is that Mandon is played by an unknown extra, which would make him not Ian Beattie.

(Oh George, so many charachters)

]]> By: Roose_Bolton http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436390 Roose_Bolton Tue, 29 May 2012 17:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436390 Yeah, the forehead cut didn't look bad, but his right cheek looked like it was flapping open at the end there. They'll give him a nasty scar and be done with it; at first glance a major change from the books, but the wounding/recovery will have served it's purpose adequately. Yeah, the forehead cut didn’t look bad, but his right cheek looked like it was flapping open at the end there. They’ll give him a nasty scar and be done with it; at first glance a major change from the books, but the wounding/recovery will have served it’s purpose adequately.

]]> By: Marcus Henry Weber http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436384 Marcus Henry Weber Tue, 29 May 2012 17:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436384 It's liked by lots of people! Therefore it must be lame! Unassailable logic there :P It’s liked by lots of people! Therefore it must be lame! Unassailable logic there :P

]]> By: Marcus Henry Weber http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436382 Marcus Henry Weber Tue, 29 May 2012 17:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436382 Cry us a river. Or, stop being such a childish hater and watch the damn show. Cry us a river. Or, stop being such a childish hater and watch the damn show.

]]> By: hymenopterid http://boingboing.net/2012/05/28/game-of-thrones-recap-the-rai.html#comment-1436380 hymenopterid Tue, 29 May 2012 17:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=163379#comment-1436380 It seemed like the cut went form his forehead to his cheek and missed a lot in between. It seemed like the cut went form his forehead to his cheek and missed a lot in between.

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