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	<title>Comments on: VGA ports on skinny&#160;laptops</title>
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		<title>By: Warren_Terra</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1447699</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren_Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s funny (other than your bothering to comment three days after the thread died) is that the people swallowing the Apple Kool-Aid think you &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; need a VGA port. You need a video port, after all, and if it isn&#039;t VGA it isn&#039;t compatible with the overwhelming majority of the projectors you&#039;ll encounter. Apple hasn&#039;t even consistently promoted one alternative to the VGA port, but has used five in the last ten years.

I will grant that an internal optical drive is not necessary - my previous computer was an old Thinkpad X series, lighter than the Mac Air most of a decade before the Air was introduced, and it didn&#039;t have one, and I was fine with that. My point was that Apple has made aesthetic choices that decrease the potential utility of their device: video ports that aren&#039;t usable because almost nobody supports them without an adaptor, and no optical drive, even as an option, because it will mess up the lines of the machine - even though it&#039;s completely feasible to make a machine as portable as the Air with this feature. It is genuinely strange that the only ~3 lb Mac laptop is the Air, with all of its weird physical limitations, that if you want a more generally useful machine you need to get one half again as heavy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s funny (other than your bothering to comment three days after the thread died) is that the people swallowing the Apple Kool-Aid think you <i>don&#8217;t</i> need a VGA port. You need a video port, after all, and if it isn&#8217;t VGA it isn&#8217;t compatible with the overwhelming majority of the projectors you&#8217;ll encounter. Apple hasn&#8217;t even consistently promoted one alternative to the VGA port, but has used five in the last ten years.</p>
<p>I will grant that an internal optical drive is not necessary &#8211; my previous computer was an old Thinkpad X series, lighter than the Mac Air most of a decade before the Air was introduced, and it didn&#8217;t have one, and I was fine with that. My point was that Apple has made aesthetic choices that decrease the potential utility of their device: video ports that aren&#8217;t usable because almost nobody supports them without an adaptor, and no optical drive, even as an option, because it will mess up the lines of the machine &#8211; even though it&#8217;s completely feasible to make a machine as portable as the Air with this feature. It is genuinely strange that the only ~3 lb Mac laptop is the Air, with all of its weird physical limitations, that if you want a more generally useful machine you need to get one half again as heavy.</p>
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		<title>By: bitmonkey</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1447694</link>
		<dc:creator>bitmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@toyg:disqus  wrote:&quot;Where space is at premium (i.e. a laptop), you want something that is as universal as possible.&quot;

I don&#039;t see a relationship between space efficiency and the &quot;universalness&quot; of the ports.

Assuming there are multiple ports, it may be best to employ a combination of more &quot;universal&quot; ports (i.e. USB) plus smaller ports like, say, Mini DisplayPort (and now Thunderbolt) as applicable for video (and now more). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@toyg:disqus  wrote:&#8221;Where space is at premium (i.e. a laptop), you want something that is as universal as possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see a relationship between space efficiency and the &#8220;universalness&#8221; of the ports.</p>
<p>Assuming there are multiple ports, it may be best to employ a combination of more &#8220;universal&#8221; ports (i.e. USB) plus smaller ports like, say, Mini DisplayPort (and now Thunderbolt) as applicable for video (and now more). </p>
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		<title>By: bitmonkey</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1447688</link>
		<dc:creator>bitmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@toyg Good point regarding cost, but you forgot about quality. Firewire &quot;failed&quot; to become the most popular interface, yet it has persisted as a (slightly?) more expensive alternative with higher throughput than the supposedly faster USB 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@toyg Good point regarding cost, but you forgot about quality. Firewire &#8220;failed&#8221; to become the most popular interface, yet it has persisted as a (slightly?) more expensive alternative with higher throughput than the supposedly faster USB 2.</p>
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		<title>By: bitmonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s funny is that you think everyone needs to have a VGA port and optical drive with their laptop at all times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s funny is that you think everyone needs to have a VGA port and optical drive with their laptop at all times.</p>
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		<title>By: miasm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1446833</link>
		<dc:creator>miasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have much to teach you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have much to teach you.</p>
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		<title>By: Chentzilla</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1446638</link>
		<dc:creator>Chentzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are thinner than VGA ports, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are thinner than VGA ports, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier Caballé</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1446273</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier Caballé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can use the VGA port to power your mobile phone :)  
http://caballe.cat/wp/vga-usb/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can use the VGA port to power your mobile phone :)  <br />
<a href="http://caballe.cat/wp/vga-usb/" rel="nofollow">http://caballe.cat/wp/vga-usb/</a></p>
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		<title>By: twianto</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1446200</link>
		<dc:creator>twianto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How exactly do you bend pins on a female VGA port? You seem to be quite the wizard.</description>
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		<title>By: Ladyfingers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1446118</link>
		<dc:creator>Ladyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Assuming an underclocked x86 processor (to get the battery life up and temperature down, you still have to provide rigidity in the frame, a little ventilation and allow enough keyboard travel for tactile reasons. 

I think  a 7.5mm max chassis thickness  is pretty much as thin as reality permits unless you want the benighted thing to flop around like a cheap creaky Acer or are willing to pay for a titanium frame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Assuming an underclocked x86 processor (to get the battery life up and temperature down, you still have to provide rigidity in the frame, a little ventilation and allow enough keyboard travel for tactile reasons. </p>
<p>I think  a 7.5mm max chassis thickness  is pretty much as thin as reality permits unless you want the benighted thing to flop around like a cheap creaky Acer or are willing to pay for a titanium frame.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyfingers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1446119</link>
		<dc:creator>Ladyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> And beyond the chamfering? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> And beyond the chamfering? </p>
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		<title>By: Jessie545</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1446085</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessie545</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually have far fewer extra things since I switched from a PC laptop to a Mac laptop.  Today the only external thing I need is power.  (Wifi on the Mac was never a plug-in that stuck out the side of the laptop, as it was on the PC side for far too long.)

The only way that VGA helps is if the most likely place I&#039;m going has VGA, only, and no digital inputs.  Apparently Initech conference rooms have a lot of those, and so this is an advantage if that&#039;s the only place you go.  For me, every place I&#039;ve been in the past 5 years has had only DVI or HDMI (or both).

Maybe your &quot;colleague&quot; has a bunch of 1990 video equipment that you need to be able to drive?  You&#039;re SOL with serial, parallel, and ISA as well.

I guess if you need a &quot;checklist&quot; to remember to keep the mini-DVI-to-DVI adapter with your laptop (where else would it be?), then it&#039;s lucky Sony makes thicker laptops with these things built in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have far fewer extra things since I switched from a PC laptop to a Mac laptop.  Today the only external thing I need is power.  (Wifi on the Mac was never a plug-in that stuck out the side of the laptop, as it was on the PC side for far too long.)</p>
<p>The only way that VGA helps is if the most likely place I&#8217;m going has VGA, only, and no digital inputs.  Apparently Initech conference rooms have a lot of those, and so this is an advantage if that&#8217;s the only place you go.  For me, every place I&#8217;ve been in the past 5 years has had only DVI or HDMI (or both).</p>
<p>Maybe your &#8220;colleague&#8221; has a bunch of 1990 video equipment that you need to be able to drive?  You&#8217;re SOL with serial, parallel, and ISA as well.</p>
<p>I guess if you need a &#8220;checklist&#8221; to remember to keep the mini-DVI-to-DVI adapter with your laptop (where else would it be?), then it&#8217;s lucky Sony makes thicker laptops with these things built in.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you don&#039;t get it you&#039;re &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; lugging around a VGA &quot;adapter&quot; built into your laptop which consumes space, weight, draws energy and produces more heat and if you are like most people, you only use it on rare occasions.

But... Sure, if &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; meeting room, seminar and auditorium you go to is in the stoneages and hasn&#039;t purchased a projector in the last 5-7 years and that&#039;s all you deal with, then by all means get a laptop with vga built-in.  Ut oh, hope it has HDMI as well, right?  Or, I guess quality/resolution doesn&#039;t matter?

For the rest of us, we&#039;ll do quite well without that &lt;a href=&quot;http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/20/167248/vga-and-dvi-ports-to-be-phased-out-over-next-5-years&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rapidly dying VGA technology&lt;/a&gt; wasting space and/or resources within our laptops, thanks.

And... if you&#039;re so worried about weight and space consumption, then I&#039;d think you would enjoy using a laptop that&#039;s lighter and more compact than a laptop that&#039;s heavy and bulky.  I personally really enjoy the fact that my laptop has a thunderbolt port that destroys your ports in speed and with that one tiny port I can use whatever I may need to throw at my machine no matter how unlikely, but I don’t have to lug around everything all the time when I don&#039;t need it.

&lt;i&gt;But, to each his own...&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you don&#8217;t get it you&#8217;re <i>always</i> lugging around a VGA &#8220;adapter&#8221; built into your laptop which consumes space, weight, draws energy and produces more heat and if you are like most people, you only use it on rare occasions.</p>
<p>But&#8230; Sure, if <i>every</i> meeting room, seminar and auditorium you go to is in the stoneages and hasn&#8217;t purchased a projector in the last 5-7 years and that&#8217;s all you deal with, then by all means get a laptop with vga built-in.  Ut oh, hope it has HDMI as well, right?  Or, I guess quality/resolution doesn&#8217;t matter?</p>
<p>For the rest of us, we&#8217;ll do quite well without that <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/20/167248/vga-and-dvi-ports-to-be-phased-out-over-next-5-years" rel="nofollow">rapidly dying VGA technology</a> wasting space and/or resources within our laptops, thanks.</p>
<p>And&#8230; if you&#8217;re so worried about weight and space consumption, then I&#8217;d think you would enjoy using a laptop that&#8217;s lighter and more compact than a laptop that&#8217;s heavy and bulky.  I personally really enjoy the fact that my laptop has a thunderbolt port that destroys your ports in speed and with that one tiny port I can use whatever I may need to throw at my machine no matter how unlikely, but I don’t have to lug around everything all the time when I don&#8217;t need it.</p>
<p><i>But, to each his own&#8230;</i></p>
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		<title>By: miasm</title>
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		<dc:creator>miasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nononononono cat says no.
Then they bend the pins and spill coffee on it!
GAH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nononononono cat says no.<br />
Then they bend the pins and spill coffee on it!<br />
GAH!</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445886</link>
		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Mainly the lack of VGA (every bloody meeting room, seminar room or auditorium ever) and ethernet (if you&#039;ve got an Air). ;)

Basically, I agree with him: It&#039;s odd to see apple fans say 
a) I like my Air because it&#039;s light and elegant
b) It&#039;s not important that it has so few ports because I can carry dongles
When you&#039;d get something more elegant by having a design that didn&#039;t need those dongles in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Mainly the lack of VGA (every bloody meeting room, seminar room or auditorium ever) and ethernet (if you&#8217;ve got an Air). ;)</p>
<p>Basically, I agree with him: It&#8217;s odd to see apple fans say<br />
a) I like my Air because it&#8217;s light and elegant<br />
b) It&#8217;s not important that it has so few ports because I can carry dongles<br />
When you&#8217;d get something more elegant by having a design that didn&#8217;t need those dongles in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you mean Ethernet, and if you looks at Mac laptops... they have Ethernet.  So what&#039;s your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mean Ethernet, and if you looks at Mac laptops&#8230; they have Ethernet.  So what&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;whenever their dearth of connectivity is pointed out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That&#039;s a joke.

You&#039;re really not thinking this through very well.  If your laptop can connect to every sort of archaic technology then you do, indeed, literally &lt;i&gt;carry it with you&lt;/i&gt; in wasteful weight every time you pick your heavy clunker up.  Those parts generate more heat too along with space.  It&#039;s also more parts that can fail in your fail machine.

I do not use VGA, because frankly VGA is archaic and sucks compared to even relatively old technology.  I sure as hell don&#039;t want to lug around a stupid VGA connector within my laptop.

So, explain to me this &quot;dearth of connectivity&quot; you speak of?  Is it because my MacBook Pro, thank God, doesn&#039;t have a VGA port built into it along with a 56K phone modem?  Most of us in this modern age need very little with a mobile laptop.  A wireless connection and a way to connect to external devices.  I have the best and fastest of both.  So much for the &quot;dearth&quot;....

It&#039;s 2012, deal with it.  ^-^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>whenever their dearth of connectivity is pointed out.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a joke.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re really not thinking this through very well.  If your laptop can connect to every sort of archaic technology then you do, indeed, literally <i>carry it with you</i> in wasteful weight every time you pick your heavy clunker up.  Those parts generate more heat too along with space.  It&#8217;s also more parts that can fail in your fail machine.</p>
<p>I do not use VGA, because frankly VGA is archaic and sucks compared to even relatively old technology.  I sure as hell don&#8217;t want to lug around a stupid VGA connector within my laptop.</p>
<p>So, explain to me this &#8220;dearth of connectivity&#8221; you speak of?  Is it because my MacBook Pro, thank God, doesn&#8217;t have a VGA port built into it along with a 56K phone modem?  Most of us in this modern age need very little with a mobile laptop.  A wireless connection and a way to connect to external devices.  I have the best and fastest of both.  So much for the &#8220;dearth&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s 2012, deal with it.  ^-^</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
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		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was in response to the people who thinks the Pro should go the way of the Air and drop the Ethernet port. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was in response to the people who thinks the Pro should go the way of the Air and drop the Ethernet port. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So do I. Ethernet and VGA lets me do it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Er, not that I hardly ever use it except to admin a crappy router once in a blue moon, but my MacBook Pro has an  Ethernet port.  Are you not familiar with Macs?

So what are you saying?  Not sure why you are comparing VGA to... 

Wait a sec... &lt;i&gt;what&#039;s your point, anyway???&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So do I. Ethernet and VGA lets me do it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Er, not that I hardly ever use it except to admin a crappy router once in a blue moon, but my MacBook Pro has an  Ethernet port.  Are you not familiar with Macs?</p>
<p>So what are you saying?  Not sure why you are comparing VGA to&#8230; </p>
<p>Wait a sec&#8230; <i>what&#8217;s your point, anyway???</i></p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
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		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Serial still has its uses. I&#039;m glad it&#039;s still on my workstation, though on my laptop it would only be used very rarely. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Serial still has its uses. I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s still on my workstation, though on my laptop it would only be used very rarely. :)</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445842</link>
		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re very nice indeed - the Pro is a good serious machine for all sorts of things. It&#039;s just the Air and it&#039;s &quot;I&#039;m sure no one will want to plug this into anything&quot; that annoys me. :)
(Though VGA on the MBP would be useful .)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re very nice indeed &#8211; the Pro is a good serious machine for all sorts of things. It&#8217;s just the Air and it&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;m sure no one will want to plug this into anything&#8221; that annoys me. :)<br />
(Though VGA on the MBP would be useful .)</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445839</link>
		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> He said (paraphrasing): &quot;I don&#039;t see a way to make a laptop case rigid enough if it&#039;s much thinner&quot; - not quite the same. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> He said (paraphrasing): &#8220;I don&#8217;t see a way to make a laptop case rigid enough if it&#8217;s much thinner&#8221; &#8211; not quite the same. :)</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445836</link>
		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> So do I. Ethernet and VGA lets me do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> So do I. Ethernet and VGA lets me do it.</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445834</link>
		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> He&#039;s responding to the way apple fans deflect criticism by saying &quot;just carry a dongle&quot; whenever their dearth of connectivity is pointed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> He&#8217;s responding to the way apple fans deflect criticism by saying &#8220;just carry a dongle&#8221; whenever their dearth of connectivity is pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445832</link>
		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> That&#039;s the point, though - even new buildings only have VGA (for reasons that I agree are stupid) and everyone with laptops at work use their VGA ports fairly often. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> That&#8217;s the point, though &#8211; even new buildings only have VGA (for reasons that I agree are stupid) and everyone with laptops at work use their VGA ports fairly often. </p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445810</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It would really help if Apple would pick a connector and stay with it&lt;/blockquote&gt;Um, not really if you want the best connector possible.  Thunderbolt destroys the speed of everything else.  Wintel machines will catch up eventually, but in the meantime, I&#039;ve got work to do &lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It would really help if Apple would pick a connector and stay with it</p></blockquote>
<p>Um, not really if you want the best connector possible.  Thunderbolt destroys the speed of everything else.  Wintel machines will catch up eventually, but in the meantime, I&#8217;ve got work to do <i>now</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445807</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Completely and utterly pointless extra (non-free) item instead of just putting the damn port on there?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m personally thrilled that I don&#039;t have an utterly pointless extra (non-free, added to cost of computer) port built into my MacBook Pro adding weight and size to it.
VGA is a near-dead technology and is being aggressively phased out for projectors.  And, mini-display to whatever adapters can be picked up for as cheap as 10 dollars nowadays if you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; need one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Completely and utterly pointless extra (non-free) item instead of just putting the damn port on there?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m personally thrilled that I don&#8217;t have an utterly pointless extra (non-free, added to cost of computer) port built into my MacBook Pro adding weight and size to it.<br />
VGA is a near-dead technology and is being aggressively phased out for projectors.  And, mini-display to whatever adapters can be picked up for as cheap as 10 dollars nowadays if you <i>really</i> need one.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445804</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Amazing how shortsighted Apple really is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Mirror.  Look in it.

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/20/167248/vga-and-dvi-ports-to-be-phased-out-over-next-5-years

&lt;b&gt;EDIT&lt;/b&gt;:  Nevermind, you&#039;re probably being sarcastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Amazing how shortsighted Apple really is.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mirror.  Look in it.</p>
<p><a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/20/167248/vga-and-dvi-ports-to-be-phased-out-over-next-5-years" rel="nofollow">http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/20/167248/vga-and-dvi-ports-to-be-phased-out-over-next-5-years</a></p>
<p><b>EDIT</b>:  Nevermind, you&#8217;re probably being sarcastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445801</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could probably put a laser projector in the space that the VGA port takes up...

haha?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could probably put a laser projector in the space that the VGA port takes up&#8230;</p>
<p>haha?</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445800</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Apparently they&#039;re all carried in bags, with dongles and external CD drives and stuff rattling about.&lt;/blockquote&gt;CD/DVD-ROM drives are dead for many of us living in 2012.  Most people I&#039;ve seen with a Mac Air laptop carry a sleeve for it and nothing more, just like the Apple iPad used by those crazy Mac users as well.
^-^&lt;blockquote&gt;All the mac users seem to suppose that laptops have bags...&lt;/blockquote&gt;When you met all the mac users at once, that must&#039;ve been a hell of a party.  Are you sure this event wasn&#039;t a dream?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Apparently they&#8217;re all carried in bags, with dongles and external CD drives and stuff rattling about.</p></blockquote>
<p>CD/DVD-ROM drives are dead for many of us living in 2012.  Most people I&#8217;ve seen with a Mac Air laptop carry a sleeve for it and nothing more, just like the Apple iPad used by those crazy Mac users as well.<br />
^-^<br />
<blockquote>All the mac users seem to suppose that laptops have bags&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>When you met all the mac users at once, that must&#8217;ve been a hell of a party.  Are you sure this event wasn&#8217;t a dream?</p>
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		<title>By: Chef Puneet</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/07/vga-ports-on-skinny-laptops.html#comment-1445797</link>
		<dc:creator>Chef Puneet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Businesses who&#039;ve spent thousands of dollars setting up an AV room 5 years ago, and is still perfectly functional, will not be spending more money on it just because the VGA connector is too thick for laptops. Not in today&#039;s economy. 

The ecosystem of connectors can never change overnight. Unlike Apple, most of the computing world tends to stick with standard formats and interfaces for a decade at the least, because they are in many cases contractually obliged to support the standards they set.
Most folks here seem to think that it&#039;s natural to dump yesterday&#039;s investment in equipment without getting any ROI out of it just because the Macbooks have no fugly VGA port to tarnish their looks. 

That&#039;s not how it works, if you want to be in business and still make profits.

VGA is being replaced, but slowly. New Projectors come with DP/HDMI and still carry VGA. When the several thousands of 5+ year old projectors already installed at considerable cost begin to reach their EOL, you will see VGA diminish further. 

Using Apple&#039;s external display systems requires that you build an ecosystem around products that are confirmed to work with the Macbooks. That can (1)work out to  be Expensive (2)be more cumbersome than the VGA port (3)cause you to tear out your hair when suddenly the Connector is made obsolete, or is not supported anymore.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Businesses who&#8217;ve spent thousands of dollars setting up an AV room 5 years ago, and is still perfectly functional, will not be spending more money on it just because the VGA connector is too thick for laptops. Not in today&#8217;s economy. </p>
<p>The ecosystem of connectors can never change overnight. Unlike Apple, most of the computing world tends to stick with standard formats and interfaces for a decade at the least, because they are in many cases contractually obliged to support the standards they set.<br />
Most folks here seem to think that it&#8217;s natural to dump yesterday&#8217;s investment in equipment without getting any ROI out of it just because the Macbooks have no fugly VGA port to tarnish their looks. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not how it works, if you want to be in business and still make profits.</p>
<p>VGA is being replaced, but slowly. New Projectors come with DP/HDMI and still carry VGA. When the several thousands of 5+ year old projectors already installed at considerable cost begin to reach their EOL, you will see VGA diminish further. </p>
<p>Using Apple&#8217;s external display systems requires that you build an ecosystem around products that are confirmed to work with the Macbooks. That can (1)work out to  be Expensive (2)be more cumbersome than the VGA port (3)cause you to tear out your hair when suddenly the Connector is made obsolete, or is not supported anymore.</p>
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