Comments on: Canada's warrantless surveillance bill is back, and bigger than ever, with surveillance powers for US gov't, too

By: S

Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:32:00 +0000

Not one person was EVER fined or jailed for refusing to complete the long form. Not one.

By: MatthewFabb

MatthewFabb — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:41:00 +0000

The various Canadian police forces said otherwise and that it was helpful to them. The Long Gun registry was accessed a thousands of times a day by police and they said it was always helpful when they were going into a house to know if there were weapons on the premises. Most often in cases where the police were there to investigate domestic violence report.

Also some argued that it was helpful for dealing with stolen weapons.

By: Justin Flontek

Justin Flontek — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:25:00 +0000

BingKabar, exactly what part of reality am I blocking out? The part in the history books that has Canada kicking American ass back down south, or Bill C-30 and Bill C-38 with proves that Harper is selling us out to the Americans?

Or are you just another ConBot sent to make the rest of the Cons look like a bunch of horses asses?

By: Justin Flontek

Justin Flontek — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:22:00 +0000

Are you saying your toilet is more of a private matter than me doing banking online, or having a private conversation with friends or family? If you live in a building that had all the proper permits for the construction, chances are it’s public record as to what is in your house, including toilets.

By: Justin Flontek

Justin Flontek — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:19:00 +0000

Sawed off shotguns are one of the preferred weapons for bank robbers. The last couple in my area have all used one.

By: Justin Flontek

Justin Flontek — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:18:00 +0000

I think it’s time Canadians held the biggest protest outside ottawa ad demand that the Cons step down, or we trow them out!

By: BingKabar

BingKabar — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 04:42:00 +0000

Oh wow, just look at you! Reality sucks so you just blocked it out completely!

By: spam

spam — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:58:00 +0000

Violates Canadian Privacy rights, surrenders Canadian sovereignty rights

How the fucking hell are the conservatives still in power!?!?!?

By: Gumper17

Gumper17 — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:18:00 +0000

Well, that goes without saying…my sense of despair tells me that this is the direction the country is heading in…and for sure King Stephen has friends who will “profit” by it all. I am cynical enough to think that when the next federal election comes around, the King will get “re-anointed”…and we’ll be a few steps closer to the grim reality I outlined. Really, all he needs to do is start back with the attack ads…people are easily fooled. You tell them something often enough, it becomes “the truth”… Subject: [boingboing] Re: Canada’s warrantless surveillance bill is back, and bigger than ever, with surveillance powers for US gov’t, too

By: elix

elix — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 23:24:00 +0000

I’d actually like to live in a Canada that doesn’t consider any of those appropriate milestones to make bets on.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 20:30:00 +0000

You know that a shotgun can become a sawed-off shotgun?

By: Drew Douglas

Drew Douglas — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:32:00 +0000

Keep in mind that the Long Gun registry did nothing but create a million dollar expense on our tax dollars, and that it accomplished nothing but make people wade through hours of paperwork.

Did not improve any security for anyone, long guns are hardly ever the problem (ie, your .44 rifle) compared to something like a handgun or a sawed off shotgun. Just sayin.

By: Gumper17

Gumper17 — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:16:00 +0000

Democracy is dead. Long live King Stephen. I don’t know why anyone is worried about this. The party in power is Canada’s natural governing party…and of course they would never do anything to worry us. I say we leave them in power for a while and start a pool to predict how long before:
1) they can detain anyone they want for any reason and too bad if they do.
2) Canada’s water supply becomes USA’s water supply.
3) Canada’s oil becomes american oil.
4) Canada’s sovereignty in the north becomes america’s responsibility.
5) Our environment starts to look like a sewer underneath NYC.
6) The maple leaf on our military’s uniforms starts to morph into stars and stripes.
7) Health care becomes “pay as you go”.

On a positive note, our taxes will go down…

By: Ty Too

Ty Too — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:52:00 +0000

The worst part is that ANY of these proposed solutions are so easily defeated it’s not even funny. Using a VPN, or free software such as Tor, or even using HTTPS on a website… or even parking outside a McDonald’s and using its free WiFi… would completely protect a “criminal” from any snooping. This bill would catch nobody but the incredibly stupid.Obviously, someone who wrote that bill would know about this, since these techniques aren’t exactly IT rocket science. So given that it won’t “prevent crime” or “help national security”, you’re left wondering what that bill was REALLY designed for.

By: rrh

rrh — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:11:00 +0000

On the other hand, Canada does have a history of playing the subordinate colony to a more powerful nation.

By: Justin Flontek

Justin Flontek — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:03:00 +0000

I get to keep anything else I find!

By: Justin Flontek

Justin Flontek — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:02:00 +0000

Any Americans that think they can just come into Canada and take over, are in for one hell of a surprise. Canada beat back American expansion once and we can do it again. You Americans in this country better watch out. Our governments are working very hard to drive a wedge between us. I suggest getting out of our country and staying out.

By: salvagesalvage

salvagesalvage — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:07:00 +0000

If you can find my cell phone while you’re at it, absolutely.

By: elix

elix — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 12:46:00 +0000

If you are contacting a supporter of Bill C-30 (be it Vic Peeping Tom, your local MP, a different MP, or whoever), ask them why they have such a problem with Articles 1, 2, and 8 of Part 1 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Namely (pardon the long quote):

PART I
CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS

Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:

Guarantee of Rights and Freedoms

Rights and freedoms in Canada

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Fundamental freedoms

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.

Legal Rights

Search or seizure

8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.

I submit that Bill C-30 goes far beyond the placing of reasonable limits on the rights and freedoms granted in articles 2 and 8 in a just and democratic society. The Charter guarantees us freedom of communication media, and the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure. The Internet and everything that runs on top of it is a communication medium. I submit that the ability to gather subscriber data without due process (a warrant) on no reason whatsoever to suspect that the subscriber in question is engaging in any sort of improper or illegal activity, as this can open the way to a very broad net of information, is an unreasonable search.

I submit that the Honorable Vic Towes is attempting to subvert the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and is attempting to expose this data to foreign governments (the USA). Kneecapping the CSIS watchdog is just open contempt at Canadians demanding Vic stop with the insanity.

By: niktemadur

niktemadur — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 08:59:00 +0000

I’ve said it several times here on BoingBoing and I’ll say it again,
Every time their putrid legislative bills fail, they ram them back into congress/parliament in a matter of weeks, only nastier, more draconian.

Maybe I’ve only become aware of this in the last couple of years and it’s always been this way, maybe this is a new trend of outraged corporate sense of entitlement, ex-congressmen/lobbyists on speed dial, I dunno.

By: Ed Lip

Ed Lip — Sat, 09 Jun 2012 04:18:00 +0000

If we’re going to sell out our nationality to the highest bidder let’s accept an offer from a country with a better credit rating than the US

By: Sean Sandy

Sean Sandy — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:21:00 +0000

Maybe this is the Amercia that I have been hearing aboot

By: Justin Flontek

Justin Flontek — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:31:00 +0000

So you wouldn’t mind me snooping around your house?

By: EH

EH — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:12:00 +0000

And this is how they keep coming back for more and more, until a law is passed that says what they want to encroach is explicitly off-limits.

By: Shinkuhadoken

Shinkuhadoken — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:10:00 +0000

Vic Toews, far from backing down, is pushing for a renewed multi-faceted scheme to erode Canadians’ online privacy rights: Toews has been working on a deal with the U.S. known as “Perimeter Security”, which could lead to the U.S. government having access to your private data.

There are some parts of “perimeter security” I’m okay with. NORAD, for example, seems to have worked well for our mutual defense for many decades.

But I don’t hear about how the personal lives of Americans are going to be made available to the Canadian government. There’s nothing mutual about this. This is a sell-out of the highest order, giving special interests everything they ever wanted in exchange for the riches they’ll expect in return. This is nothing but bald-faced corruption.

By: foo

foo — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:13:00 +0000

Time to bring back “Tell Vic Everything”

By: digi_owl

digi_owl — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 16:43:00 +0000

Or they could be seeing the whole north as a single big “america”.

Combine Canada and USA into a single nation, and the only border that is a issue is the Mexican one. The rest can be covered by submarines and carrier groups.

Fortress Americana…

By: Justin Flontek

Justin Flontek — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:24:00 +0000

Harper and his Cons are traitors, selling us out to foreign interests. They should be rounded up and locked away as the criminal organization they are. All these investigations, court cases and committees are stalling for time. By the time anything is actually done, Canada will no longer belong to us, but countries like the US and China!

By: Tichrimo

Tichrimo — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:00:00 +0000

Don’t forget the Long Gun Registry — also scrapped by the Conservatives for being too intrusive.

By: Tichrimo

Tichrimo — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:55:00 +0000

Uh, you could have all the opposition MP’s lined up and it wouldn’t matter. The Conservatives have a majority. We need to start hammering the party in power (especially those like me in a Conservative riding).