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	<title>Comments on: Doctor tried bath salts and liked&#160;It</title>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1447752</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;anecdotal evidence is poor evidence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;What would be an example of non-anecdotal evidence in assessing the psychological effects of a drug?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>anecdotal evidence is poor evidence.</p></blockquote>
<p>What would be an example of non-anecdotal evidence in assessing the psychological effects of a drug?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;anecdotal evidence is poor evidence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve heard that. I don&#039;t believe it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>anecdotal evidence is poor evidence.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that. I don&#8217;t believe it!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Wood</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1447739</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 06:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Fair enough. I think we&#039;ve really gotten into the art of it here, though. Finest and maybe final flowering of Western language concepts of the Universe as a separate, all-knowing, all-seeing, all-dancing, top-down Father figure, with everything else arranged in neat little boxes and categories, supposedly all neat and proper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Fair enough. I think we&#8217;ve really gotten into the art of it here, though. Finest and maybe final flowering of Western language concepts of the Universe as a separate, all-knowing, all-seeing, all-dancing, top-down Father figure, with everything else arranged in neat little boxes and categories, supposedly all neat and proper.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1447430</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undigested pills, which haven&#039;t been identified.  It could be multivitamins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undigested pills, which haven&#8217;t been identified.  It could be multivitamins.</p>
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		<title>By: JenniferS</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1447335</link>
		<dc:creator>JenniferS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>herp derp... there was evidence of drug use: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/08/2840020/cannibal-had-no-flesh-in-stomach.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>herp derp&#8230; there was evidence of drug use: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/08/2840020/cannibal-had-no-flesh-in-stomach.html</p>
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		<title>By: Robert R. Arthur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1447225</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert R. Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> TooGoodToCheck, fair enough. I don&#039;t only see the good in drugs. I believe, however, that most of the bad comes from irresponsible usage and the effects of criminalization. I believe addiction stems from underlying problems not chemicals:

http://suburra.com/blog/2011/10/05/addictive-personality/

I don&#039;t bother to point out the bad because 99% of the media focuses solely on the bad so I don&#039;t think it is necessary to present that side.

My &quot;Bible Study&quot; piece was satirical. I admit multiple times in the comments section it was mere speculation. I believe my speculation had more evidence than the &quot;bath salts&quot; theory, but your &quot;we don&#039;t know&quot; what drove the Causeway Cannibal is obviously accurate.

Thanks for the &quot;counterweight&quot; compliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> TooGoodToCheck, fair enough. I don&#8217;t only see the good in drugs. I believe, however, that most of the bad comes from irresponsible usage and the effects of criminalization. I believe addiction stems from underlying problems not chemicals:</p>
<p><a href="http://suburra.com/blog/2011/10/05/addictive-personality/" rel="nofollow">http://suburra.com/blog/2011/10/05/addictive-personality/</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t bother to point out the bad because 99% of the media focuses solely on the bad so I don&#8217;t think it is necessary to present that side.</p>
<p>My &#8220;Bible Study&#8221; piece was satirical. I admit multiple times in the comments section it was mere speculation. I believe my speculation had more evidence than the &#8220;bath salts&#8221; theory, but your &#8220;we don&#8217;t know&#8221; what drove the Causeway Cannibal is obviously accurate.</p>
<p>Thanks for the &#8220;counterweight&#8221; compliment.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446928</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he killed his daughter while under the influence, he can be charged for that.  If drugs were legal, he wouldn&#039;t be dealing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he killed his daughter while under the influence, he can be charged for that.  If drugs were legal, he wouldn&#8217;t be dealing them.</p>
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		<title>By: aikimoe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446888</link>
		<dc:creator>aikimoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know people who are violent under the influence of alcohol, and kill themselves and others regularly while driving.  Tens of thousands of people die from alcohol abuse every year.

I&#039;m sure they had some really great buzzes, too...should we legalize alcohol, too?

No, wait...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know people who are violent under the influence of alcohol, and kill themselves and others regularly while driving.  Tens of thousands of people die from alcohol abuse every year.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they had some really great buzzes, too&#8230;should we legalize alcohol, too?</p>
<p>No, wait&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: robert feller</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert feller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll our neighbor is a doctor (with his license taken away) and he loves heroin. He accident killed his daughter 3 years ago while under the influence...and subsequently liked his wife. I&#039;m sure he had some really great buzzes too...should we legalize heroin too? (PS. He likes oxycotin too and is a big dealer in our town, old family money keeps him afloat!). 

Is my story just as valid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll our neighbor is a doctor (with his license taken away) and he loves heroin. He accident killed his daughter 3 years ago while under the influence&#8230;and subsequently liked his wife. I&#8217;m sure he had some really great buzzes too&#8230;should we legalize heroin too? (PS. He likes oxycotin too and is a big dealer in our town, old family money keeps him afloat!). </p>
<p>Is my story just as valid?</p>
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		<title>By: teawithmilk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446662</link>
		<dc:creator>teawithmilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 13:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It stimulates the area of the brain known as &quot;Shatner&#039;s Bassoon&quot; and that&#039;s the bit of the brain that deals with time perception...so a second feels like a month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It stimulates the area of the brain known as &#8220;Shatner&#8217;s Bassoon&#8221; and that&#8217;s the bit of the brain that deals with time perception&#8230;so a second feels like a month.</p>
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		<title>By: shekk underscore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446599</link>
		<dc:creator>shekk underscore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This wasn&#039;t the first case of someone acting nuts on bath salts. Remember that kid that killed his neighbors goat wearing a bikini? http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201105020871 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This wasn&#8217;t the first case of someone acting nuts on bath salts. Remember that kid that killed his neighbors goat wearing a bikini? <a href="http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201105020871" rel="nofollow">http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201105020871</a> </p>
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		<title>By: shekk underscore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446595</link>
		<dc:creator>shekk underscore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 10:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LSD == Bath Salts? uhhhh.. wat? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LSD == Bath Salts? uhhhh.. wat? </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 06:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As far as &quot;face eating&quot; goes, no human flesh was found in the guys stomach.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&quot;But, as you see, it&#039;s a beautiful day, the beaches are open and people are having a wonderful time. Amity, as you know, means friendship.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As far as &#8220;face eating&#8221; goes, no human flesh was found in the guys stomach.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;But, as you see, it&#8217;s a beautiful day, the beaches are open and people are having a wonderful time. Amity, as you know, means friendship.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AnnOnaMice</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnnOnaMice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 06:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Depends on a lot of factors, and the person involved.  It also depends on how often you use it.  And your state of mind before/during/after.&quot;

Oh, you mean like BATH SALTS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Depends on a lot of factors, and the person involved.  It also depends on how often you use it.  And your state of mind before/during/after.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, you mean like BATH SALTS.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnOnaMice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446504</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnOnaMice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 06:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> A quick perusal of the ingredients available in these &quot;bath salts&quot; available include varying doses and mixtures of mephedrone, MDPV, and methylone.And that&#039;s just what&#039;s on the label, not what came out of the Chinese factory where they are made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> A quick perusal of the ingredients available in these &#8220;bath salts&#8221; available include varying doses and mixtures of mephedrone, MDPV, and methylone.And that&#8217;s just what&#8217;s on the label, not what came out of the Chinese factory where they are made.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnOnaMice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446500</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnOnaMice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 06:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...as well as the differences between what is known to be &quot;fact&quot; or &quot;truth.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;as well as the differences between what is known to be &#8220;fact&#8221; or &#8220;truth.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: BarBarSeven</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446498</link>
		<dc:creator>BarBarSeven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 06:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so I understand where Mark is coming posting this and I appreciate it.

While I hate taking drugs, the reality is the modern world we live in is screwed up as far as drugs go &amp; individual freedoms go. Not too sure how I feel about legalization, but the attitude is basically, “Look, people are clearly making &amp; taking this stuff on their own… So just legalize it so people can make their own decisions.  And let them deal with it.  And man, while I never truly understood the legalization of drugs before, I am slowly understanding it more &amp; more now.

The temptation of “forbidden fruit” really drives a lot of people to do hard drugs. Get rid of that aspect and there is more perspective.

And FWIW, just look at alcohol. I personally know how Vodka affects me versus beer. So I know when is right to drink Vodka &amp; when I simply can’t.  And nobody gives me crap about that.  Let that happen with stimulants versus pot—for example—and things might be better.

Then again, what do I know. But I do know the demonization of drugs is not working. It doesn&#039;t change squat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so I understand where Mark is coming posting this and I appreciate it.</p>
<p>While I hate taking drugs, the reality is the modern world we live in is screwed up as far as drugs go &amp; individual freedoms go. Not too sure how I feel about legalization, but the attitude is basically, “Look, people are clearly making &amp; taking this stuff on their own… So just legalize it so people can make their own decisions.  And let them deal with it.  And man, while I never truly understood the legalization of drugs before, I am slowly understanding it more &amp; more now.</p>
<p>The temptation of “forbidden fruit” really drives a lot of people to do hard drugs. Get rid of that aspect and there is more perspective.</p>
<p>And FWIW, just look at alcohol. I personally know how Vodka affects me versus beer. So I know when is right to drink Vodka &amp; when I simply can’t.  And nobody gives me crap about that.  Let that happen with stimulants versus pot—for example—and things might be better.</p>
<p>Then again, what do I know. But I do know the demonization of drugs is not working. It doesn&#8217;t change squat.</p>
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		<title>By: redesigned</title>
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		<dc:creator>redesigned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow...so many comments here are totally nuts.  this article sure did bring the bat-shit people out of the woodwork.

the takeaway:
face eating dude wasn&#039;t on drugs
face eating dude was crazy
crazy is the problem
people like to pretend that drugs are the problem so they can make them illegal and sleep at night

making drugs illegal effectively deregulates them and removes all control and safety from their use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230;so many comments here are totally nuts.  this article sure did bring the bat-shit people out of the woodwork.</p>
<p>the takeaway:<br />
face eating dude wasn&#8217;t on drugs<br />
face eating dude was crazy<br />
crazy is the problem<br />
people like to pretend that drugs are the problem so they can make them illegal and sleep at night</p>
<p>making drugs illegal effectively deregulates them and removes all control and safety from their use.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnOnaMice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446488</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnOnaMice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 05:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Mephedrone &quot;psychedelic&quot;?
Not even in the BROADEST sense of the word.

The guy also used the word &quot;quack&quot; to describe an actual, licensed, professionally trained doctor. Libel.

The &quot;face eating cannibal&quot; could have even been smoking addictive tobacco cigarettes, for all we know. As far as &quot;face eating&quot; goes, no human flesh was found in the guys stomach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Mephedrone &#8220;psychedelic&#8221;?<br />
Not even in the BROADEST sense of the word.</p>
<p>The guy also used the word &#8220;quack&#8221; to describe an actual, licensed, professionally trained doctor. Libel.</p>
<p>The &#8220;face eating cannibal&#8221; could have even been smoking addictive tobacco cigarettes, for all we know. As far as &#8220;face eating&#8221; goes, no human flesh was found in the guys stomach.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call it &quot;homunculopathy&quot;.   (I just couldn&#039;t take much of that dwarf - it was hard to get past the face.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call it &#8220;homunculopathy&#8221;.   (I just couldn&#8217;t take much of that dwarf &#8211; it was hard to get past the face.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I seem to recall that the evidence of MDMA having neurotoxic effects was due to them accidentally using methamphetamine in the tests. A little googling and I find it&#039;s just the claims of dopaminergic effects by Johns Hopkins research team led by George Ricaurte that were withdrawn from &lt;i&gt;Science&lt;/i&gt; in 2003.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I seem to recall that the evidence of MDMA having neurotoxic effects was due to them accidentally using methamphetamine in the tests. A little googling and I find it&#8217;s just the claims of dopaminergic effects by Johns Hopkins research team led by George Ricaurte that were withdrawn from <i>Science</i> in 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: michael petryshen</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael petryshen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude gruds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude gruds</p>
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		<title>By: cycle23</title>
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		<dc:creator>cycle23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the Lori Anderson collaboration with FYC already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the Lori Anderson collaboration with FYC already.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Mayers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446300</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Mayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am the type of fella who flinches when folk blame a given drug for this or that issue, and the growing line on these bath salts carries some echoes of the bs hyperbole typically accompanying any &quot;buzzworthy&quot; substance (i am thinking here of how perfectly bath salts fit the phony mold of &quot;why drugs are bad&quot;). That being said, my sister was a heroine addict, placed in a shitty drug corp program, and starting doing bath salts so that she could continue to pass her regular drug tests. The &quot;doctor&#039;s&quot; description of his experience contrasts significantly with that of my sis. She did get violent - smashed a dining room chair over our mother&#039;s back. And she was a bit of a superhuman with regard to strength - she was an emaciated addict and it took five big-boy cops to finally get her in the car. The difference I&#039;m noting between my sister&#039;s experience and that of the doctor&#039;s is who they respectively were before gettin&#039; salty. It seems as though some doctors have posted here, so I&#039;ll ask the question I was most curious about: Could my sister&#039;s having been a heroine addict in any way inflected her experience with bath salts? Was she perhaps neither giggling nor looking for a good club because the bath salts simply weren&#039;t heroine? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am the type of fella who flinches when folk blame a given drug for this or that issue, and the growing line on these bath salts carries some echoes of the bs hyperbole typically accompanying any &#8220;buzzworthy&#8221; substance (i am thinking here of how perfectly bath salts fit the phony mold of &#8220;why drugs are bad&#8221;). That being said, my sister was a heroine addict, placed in a shitty drug corp program, and starting doing bath salts so that she could continue to pass her regular drug tests. The &#8220;doctor&#8217;s&#8221; description of his experience contrasts significantly with that of my sis. She did get violent &#8211; smashed a dining room chair over our mother&#8217;s back. And she was a bit of a superhuman with regard to strength &#8211; she was an emaciated addict and it took five big-boy cops to finally get her in the car. The difference I&#8217;m noting between my sister&#8217;s experience and that of the doctor&#8217;s is who they respectively were before gettin&#8217; salty. It seems as though some doctors have posted here, so I&#8217;ll ask the question I was most curious about: Could my sister&#8217;s having been a heroine addict in any way inflected her experience with bath salts? Was she perhaps neither giggling nor looking for a good club because the bath salts simply weren&#8217;t heroine? </p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MDPV (Methylynedioxypyrovalerone) amd 4-Methyl-Methcathinone are two VERY different drugs. PV doses are in the 3-5mg range - Mephedrone more like 20-50mg. Also, MDPV can, and is, smoked on foil. Hideous, unpleasant drug, fit only to torture people with. It&#039;s relative Napthylpyrovalerone (NRG-1) is probably the only thing I&#039;ve tried that&#039;s worse. Mephedrone&#039;s addictive and life-fucking enough anyway,  but at least it makes you feel relatively pleasant when you take it. The Pyrovalerones, on the other hand, Jesus  Christ... 
Then there&#039;s Methiopropamine, which is essentially Methamphetamine with a Thiophene ring rather than a methyl at the front. Along with several varieties of Tryptamines, Etaqualone, a close cousin to Qaaludes, and in the pipeline, 2-MEO Ketamine, now the temp ban is in effect on Methoxetamine. Dunno how many of those would be legal in the states, but they&#039;re all available in the uk - oh, not to forget 5 &amp; 6-APB, the MDA-alikes (not bad those two,  as it goes. Quite pleasant - I&#039;d recommend 5-APB over 6-APB personally), Ethylphenidate (VERY different to its cousin Ritalin), and quite a few more in the pipeline when these ones fly over the radar and we all play Chemistry Whack-A-Mole again... 

I&#039;m all for &#039;legalize everything&#039;, but equally pro &#039;eradicate the PVs from the planet&#039; cos they&#039;re fucking awful. Worse than crack IMO. At least crack smoke tastes nice, and compared to smoking PV on a regular basis,  only makes you a &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; crazy (not even remotely joking). 20 quid&#039;s worth of Rock (or decent enough coke to make your own) is what, 3 hits, max? An hour&#039;s entertainment, at the most (cheaper than fairground rides by almost half though, I&#039;ve worked it out). 20 quid&#039;s worth of PV can keep you up and bat-shit crazy for a week,  easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MDPV (Methylynedioxypyrovalerone) amd 4-Methyl-Methcathinone are two VERY different drugs. PV doses are in the 3-5mg range &#8211; Mephedrone more like 20-50mg. Also, MDPV can, and is, smoked on foil. Hideous, unpleasant drug, fit only to torture people with. It&#8217;s relative Napthylpyrovalerone (NRG-1) is probably the only thing I&#8217;ve tried that&#8217;s worse. Mephedrone&#8217;s addictive and life-fucking enough anyway,  but at least it makes you feel relatively pleasant when you take it. The Pyrovalerones, on the other hand, Jesus  Christ&#8230;<br />
Then there&#8217;s Methiopropamine, which is essentially Methamphetamine with a Thiophene ring rather than a methyl at the front. Along with several varieties of Tryptamines, Etaqualone, a close cousin to Qaaludes, and in the pipeline, 2-MEO Ketamine, now the temp ban is in effect on Methoxetamine. Dunno how many of those would be legal in the states, but they&#8217;re all available in the uk &#8211; oh, not to forget 5 &amp; 6-APB, the MDA-alikes (not bad those two,  as it goes. Quite pleasant &#8211; I&#8217;d recommend 5-APB over 6-APB personally), Ethylphenidate (VERY different to its cousin Ritalin), and quite a few more in the pipeline when these ones fly over the radar and we all play Chemistry Whack-A-Mole again&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for &#8216;legalize everything&#8217;, but equally pro &#8216;eradicate the PVs from the planet&#8217; cos they&#8217;re fucking awful. Worse than crack IMO. At least crack smoke tastes nice, and compared to smoking PV on a regular basis,  only makes you a <i>little</i> crazy (not even remotely joking). 20 quid&#8217;s worth of Rock (or decent enough coke to make your own) is what, 3 hits, max? An hour&#8217;s entertainment, at the most (cheaper than fairground rides by almost half though, I&#8217;ve worked it out). 20 quid&#8217;s worth of PV can keep you up and bat-shit crazy for a week,  easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446280</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You kids with your young people drugs! Whippersnappers allaya!

Anyway, that&#039;s what keeps me with my simple and singular maryjane vice. I got into my twenties and was just. too. tired. if I indulged in anything capitalacronymed.

BoingBoing is killin me too wit frequent mention of and Xeni&#039;s pretty pictures of buds. I&#039;m all sympathy sober for my partner, and after the pregnant is over I&#039;ll be way to busy for at least another 9 months. 

But then! then I&#039;ll have a small amount here and there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You kids with your young people drugs! Whippersnappers allaya!</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s what keeps me with my simple and singular maryjane vice. I got into my twenties and was just. too. tired. if I indulged in anything capitalacronymed.</p>
<p>BoingBoing is killin me too wit frequent mention of and Xeni&#8217;s pretty pictures of buds. I&#8217;m all sympathy sober for my partner, and after the pregnant is over I&#8217;ll be way to busy for at least another 9 months. </p>
<p>But then! then I&#8217;ll have a small amount here and there.</p>
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		<title>By: TooGoodToCheck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446276</link>
		<dc:creator>TooGoodToCheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FOP only sees the bad in drugs.  You only seem to see the good.  I don&#039;t honestly believe that anyone can make pronouncements about &quot;bath salts&quot; because I don&#039;t think you can really know what you are buying - Methedrone, MPVD, or other.  I believe that Max  Pemberton had a good experience on methedrone.  I think that you framing it as a typical experience may be overselling it.

Your &quot;Did Bible Study and Anti-Drug Vow cause the Miami Cannibal Attack&quot; strongly implies that the answer to that question is &quot;yes&quot;.  You&#039;re careful to never assert it as fact, instead dancing around with phrases like &quot;it is highly probable&quot;.  My own suspicion is that the true answer is much closer to &quot;we don&#039;t know, and we won&#039;t know, and neither bible study, nor drugs, nor withdrawal are commonly linked with violent cannibal attacks&quot;

I see you as a useful antidote to police statements, in much the way that I see Michael Moore as a valuable counterweight to Fox News.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FOP only sees the bad in drugs.  You only seem to see the good.  I don&#8217;t honestly believe that anyone can make pronouncements about &#8220;bath salts&#8221; because I don&#8217;t think you can really know what you are buying &#8211; Methedrone, MPVD, or other.  I believe that Max  Pemberton had a good experience on methedrone.  I think that you framing it as a typical experience may be overselling it.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;Did Bible Study and Anti-Drug Vow cause the Miami Cannibal Attack&#8221; strongly implies that the answer to that question is &#8220;yes&#8221;.  You&#8217;re careful to never assert it as fact, instead dancing around with phrases like &#8220;it is highly probable&#8221;.  My own suspicion is that the true answer is much closer to &#8220;we don&#8217;t know, and we won&#8217;t know, and neither bible study, nor drugs, nor withdrawal are commonly linked with violent cannibal attacks&#8221;</p>
<p>I see you as a useful antidote to police statements, in much the way that I see Michael Moore as a valuable counterweight to Fox News.  </p>
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		<title>By: DMStone</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The low quality of the reporting regarding this drug is upsetting. When they first were reporting on Bath Salts, the coverage was mostly: 

&quot;Kids these days will do anything to get high. Snorting bath salts, what&#039;s next?&quot;

It seemed obvious that the first question should be &quot;Why are these luxury bath salts selling for $25 for a quarter gram at gas stations and head shops while most other traditional bath additives are $5 a pound?&quot; The answer of course being because they are an unregulated synthetic stimulant which is not intended to be used as directed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The low quality of the reporting regarding this drug is upsetting. When they first were reporting on Bath Salts, the coverage was mostly: </p>
<p>&#8220;Kids these days will do anything to get high. Snorting bath salts, what&#8217;s next?&#8221;</p>
<p>It seemed obvious that the first question should be &#8220;Why are these luxury bath salts selling for $25 for a quarter gram at gas stations and head shops while most other traditional bath additives are $5 a pound?&#8221; The answer of course being because they are an unregulated synthetic stimulant which is not intended to be used as directed.</p>
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		<title>By: hab</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/doctor-tried-bath-salts-and-li.html#comment-1446266</link>
		<dc:creator>hab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, drugs feel good and do not directly lead to social harm 100% of the time. Agreed. A few of my patients have tried bath salts--each of them recovering from polysubstance abuse--and I never treated a single one for kuru. 

I would not expect our experience with legalized drugs to be very different from legalized tobacco or alcohol: Chronic health problems, mental health disorders, increased healthcare expenditures, increased domestic violence, collateral deaths, addiction and a general attenuation of life purpose, meaning and productivity. 

Arguing the merits of individual drugs is interesting, but the good doctor&#039;s anecdotal assessment is akin to a positive review of a particular casino&#039;s blackjack table: harmless entertainment for most. First world problems.

However, as much as I dislike drugs and drug cartels, there is not much evidence that the war on drugs is very effective, and I have come to understand firsthand that the criminalization and marginalization of users may be significant hindrances to recovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, drugs feel good and do not directly lead to social harm 100% of the time. Agreed. A few of my patients have tried bath salts&#8211;each of them recovering from polysubstance abuse&#8211;and I never treated a single one for kuru. </p>
<p>I would not expect our experience with legalized drugs to be very different from legalized tobacco or alcohol: Chronic health problems, mental health disorders, increased healthcare expenditures, increased domestic violence, collateral deaths, addiction and a general attenuation of life purpose, meaning and productivity. </p>
<p>Arguing the merits of individual drugs is interesting, but the good doctor&#8217;s anecdotal assessment is akin to a positive review of a particular casino&#8217;s blackjack table: harmless entertainment for most. First world problems.</p>
<p>However, as much as I dislike drugs and drug cartels, there is not much evidence that the war on drugs is very effective, and I have come to understand firsthand that the criminalization and marginalization of users may be significant hindrances to recovery.</p>
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		<title>By: DMStone</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is merely intellectually irresponsible. There is no reason we should trust the authority of this doctor over any of the police officers who reported that it seemed like the man was on drugs. They are all speaking anecdotally with limited experience they are extrapolating to the whole. 

Furthermore, it is a fallacy to assume since this face-eater might n0t have taken bath salts then the bath salts are safe. They were banned in Washington State after a soldier killed himself, his girlfriend, and likely their son. The couple tested positive for the drug.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is merely intellectually irresponsible. There is no reason we should trust the authority of this doctor over any of the police officers who reported that it seemed like the man was on drugs. They are all speaking anecdotally with limited experience they are extrapolating to the whole. </p>
<p>Furthermore, it is a fallacy to assume since this face-eater might n0t have taken bath salts then the bath salts are safe. They were banned in Washington State after a soldier killed himself, his girlfriend, and likely their son. The couple tested positive for the drug.</p>
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