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	<title>Comments on: Spanish activists raise money to sue bank boss at center of financial&#160;crisis</title>
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		<title>By: loroferoz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1448789</link>
		<dc:creator>loroferoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the &quot;millions of morons&quot; would have been denied a loan, or at least the mortgage would not have been so high, if not for the policies instituted by that man, both as economy minister and as president of Bankia. So!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the &#8220;millions of morons&#8221; would have been denied a loan, or at least the mortgage would not have been so high, if not for the policies instituted by that man, both as economy minister and as president of Bankia. So!</p>
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		<title>By: loroferoz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1448786</link>
		<dc:creator>loroferoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to put it... but it wouldn&#039;t be if there actually were a free market instead of crony capitalism and real currency instead of political instruments, and if people who wreck livelihoods and banks faced the consequences of their actions.  But anyhow class indictments are moronic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to put it&#8230; but it wouldn&#8217;t be if there actually were a free market instead of crony capitalism and real currency instead of political instruments, and if people who wreck livelihoods and banks faced the consequences of their actions.  But anyhow class indictments are moronic.</p>
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		<title>By: loroferoz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1448785</link>
		<dc:creator>loroferoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bankers  should have been, you know, responsible, cautious and reputable and they were not. Their banks and institutions should have folded and were rescued with public money. They should have faced people ready to murder them over lost money, or take the gun to their own heads themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bankers  should have been, you know, responsible, cautious and reputable and they were not. Their banks and institutions should have folded and were rescued with public money. They should have faced people ready to murder them over lost money, or take the gun to their own heads themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: JimmyShockTreatment</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1448485</link>
		<dc:creator>JimmyShockTreatment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think would happen if someone put up a Kickstarter to raise funds for a class action suit in the US? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think would happen if someone put up a Kickstarter to raise funds for a class action suit in the US? </p>
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		<title>By: J. Brad Hicks</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1448297</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Brad Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I know I&#039;m coming to the party late, but Planet Money just did an excellent short segment on this guy, and he&#039;s basically the Hugh McColl of Spain: it was more important to him to be seen as the CEO of the biggest bank in Spain than it was that the bank be profitable, or honest, which (their reporter says) is what lead him to merge his bank, Spain&#039;s second biggest and second most important, with a bank that was almost as large /and known to be failing for ethics reasons/, over the objections of Spanish banking officials, and the resulting failure of his bank was the main thing that precipitated the Spanish banking crisis, and the huge bailout of his bank was the main thing that precipitated the Spanish sovereign debt crisis.

That doesn&#039;t make him solely responsible (not without other factors, which may well exist for all I know) but it does make him principally responsible, and in an honest court, that ought to be enough to be actionable. So, say a jury finds (just to pull a number out of the air) that he is to blame for 65% of the damage that was done to the Spanish economy -- that number would be the basis of the damages to sue him for.Not that he has it, in all likelihood, or anything like it. He has whatever is left, whatever hasn&#039;t been squandered on luxuries that depreciated the second he picked them up, from his personal compensation. But I agree that he shouldn&#039;t even be allowed to keep that much, if he&#039;s convicted, and high-profile defendants are and ought to be a routine part of keeping other CEOs, who might be tempted to commit the same crimes, at least somewhat afraid of getting caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I know I&#8217;m coming to the party late, but Planet Money just did an excellent short segment on this guy, and he&#8217;s basically the Hugh McColl of Spain: it was more important to him to be seen as the CEO of the biggest bank in Spain than it was that the bank be profitable, or honest, which (their reporter says) is what lead him to merge his bank, Spain&#8217;s second biggest and second most important, with a bank that was almost as large /and known to be failing for ethics reasons/, over the objections of Spanish banking officials, and the resulting failure of his bank was the main thing that precipitated the Spanish banking crisis, and the huge bailout of his bank was the main thing that precipitated the Spanish sovereign debt crisis.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make him solely responsible (not without other factors, which may well exist for all I know) but it does make him principally responsible, and in an honest court, that ought to be enough to be actionable. So, say a jury finds (just to pull a number out of the air) that he is to blame for 65% of the damage that was done to the Spanish economy &#8212; that number would be the basis of the damages to sue him for.Not that he has it, in all likelihood, or anything like it. He has whatever is left, whatever hasn&#8217;t been squandered on luxuries that depreciated the second he picked them up, from his personal compensation. But I agree that he shouldn&#8217;t even be allowed to keep that much, if he&#8217;s convicted, and high-profile defendants are and ought to be a routine part of keeping other CEOs, who might be tempted to commit the same crimes, at least somewhat afraid of getting caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1448085</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;i&gt; No, no the &quot;banksters&quot;, but all the people who borrowed and bought houses thinking they were making huge amounts of money.&lt;/i&gt;

Just how heavy is that water you&#039;re carrying for the elite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <i> No, no the &#8220;banksters&#8221;, but all the people who borrowed and bought houses thinking they were making huge amounts of money.</i></p>
<p>Just how heavy is that water you&#8217;re carrying for the elite?</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447982</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. No citation needed. You need to learn that sometimes people use words in a non-literal sense for effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. No citation needed. You need to learn that sometimes people use words in a non-literal sense for effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447949</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget ever more massive student loans to get you in the habit of excessive  borrowing and to fuck you from the outset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t forget ever more massive student loans to get you in the habit of excessive  borrowing and to fuck you from the outset.</p>
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		<title>By: Gimlet_eye</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447941</link>
		<dc:creator>Gimlet_eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article also pointed out that the relaxation of the strict labor laws would be expected to be a long-term fix more than a short-term one. 

And to reply to an Antinous comment below (the Reply button disappears when replies get too narrow), &quot;And those fiduciaries all lied&quot; needs a citation. Sure, real estate salespeople are still salespeople with all that that implies, but that&#039;s a very sweeping claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article also pointed out that the relaxation of the strict labor laws would be expected to be a long-term fix more than a short-term one. </p>
<p>And to reply to an Antinous comment below (the Reply button disappears when replies get too narrow), &#8220;And those fiduciaries all lied&#8221; needs a citation. Sure, real estate salespeople are still salespeople with all that that implies, but that&#8217;s a very sweeping claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashen Victor</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447933</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashen Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> And now that it is not burdened by rigid labor laws unemployment is rising like hell...

Paraphrasing the same article you linked:
&quot;The reform hasn&#039;t benefited anyone,&quot; said Amelia Calvo, 59, who lost her job in a bank two years ago. &quot;If there&#039;s no investment (by the government but only austerity measures), it&#039;s impossible to create jobs.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> And now that it is not burdened by rigid labor laws unemployment is rising like hell&#8230;</p>
<p>Paraphrasing the same article you linked:<br />
&#8220;The reform hasn&#8217;t benefited anyone,&#8221; said Amelia Calvo, 59, who lost her job in a bank two years ago. &#8220;If there&#8217;s no investment (by the government but only austerity measures), it&#8217;s impossible to create jobs.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447922</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Mary, and I&#039;d add years of stagnant wages (but increased work hours) to that toxic mix as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Mary, and I&#8217;d add years of stagnant wages (but increased work hours) to that toxic mix as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447916</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize the &quot;little people&quot; were the ones creating fraudulent complex financial instruments.  Good troll tho...

Of course the little people still have their bills to pay, homes to lose and get punished by austerity.  What happened to the bankers again?  Oh right:  Bonuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize the &#8220;little people&#8221; were the ones creating fraudulent complex financial instruments.  Good troll tho&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course the little people still have their bills to pay, homes to lose and get punished by austerity.  What happened to the bankers again?  Oh right:  Bonuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Gimlet_eye</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447913</link>
		<dc:creator>Gimlet_eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt; Spain hampered by rigid labor laws &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a> Spain hampered by rigid labor laws </a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world economy was propped up for years by the real estate bubble. In CA real estate was 25% of the economy before everything fell apart. People were living on the &quot;equity&quot; in their homes because there were no jobs to be found, or they had massive medical bills. Yes, sometimes greed came into play. But the reality of the world economy is that there are not enough jobs and the financialization of the economy has created great wealth for a very few. We have all been manipulated out of our money and security. And it ain&#039;t over yet. Hunger will rear its ugly head soon. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world economy was propped up for years by the real estate bubble. In CA real estate was 25% of the economy before everything fell apart. People were living on the &#8220;equity&#8221; in their homes because there were no jobs to be found, or they had massive medical bills. Yes, sometimes greed came into play. But the reality of the world economy is that there are not enough jobs and the financialization of the economy has created great wealth for a very few. We have all been manipulated out of our money and security. And it ain&#8217;t over yet. Hunger will rear its ugly head soon. </p>
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		<title>By: tré</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447864</link>
		<dc:creator>tré</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Is 1% of the population owning 42% of everything (with that number growing) not &quot;greed without bounds?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Is 1% of the population owning 42% of everything (with that number growing) not &#8220;greed without bounds?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kraut</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447849</link>
		<dc:creator>kraut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve godwinned yourself.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve godwinned yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447808</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in London where city money and bankers bonuses are making house prices increasingly unaffordable for all but a minority unless they take out mortgages at ever increasing multiples of their salary - ten times salary is not unknown. If I wanted to buy my one bedroom flat now it would cost me twenty times my salary. What are people supposed to do? The snake oil salesmen determine the cost of housing in the first place. Most people ARE not greedy (and I agree that greed is unbecoming in anyone) but they may be insecure and find some security in possessions. These are not the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in London where city money and bankers bonuses are making house prices increasingly unaffordable for all but a minority unless they take out mortgages at ever increasing multiples of their salary &#8211; ten times salary is not unknown. If I wanted to buy my one bedroom flat now it would cost me twenty times my salary. What are people supposed to do? The snake oil salesmen determine the cost of housing in the first place. Most people ARE not greedy (and I agree that greed is unbecoming in anyone) but they may be insecure and find some security in possessions. These are not the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me. People who are unable to make sense or devote the time to understanding the plethora of financial products and services on the market are not morons. This is why experts and advisers exist and why people pay them.  The &#039;little people&#039; have more than enough to do serving their &#039;masters&#039; and are not the greedy ones. Why is it wrong to want a decent life for yourself and your family?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me. People who are unable to make sense or devote the time to understanding the plethora of financial products and services on the market are not morons. This is why experts and advisers exist and why people pay them.  The &#8216;little people&#8217; have more than enough to do serving their &#8216;masters&#8217; and are not the greedy ones. Why is it wrong to want a decent life for yourself and your family?</p>
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		<title>By: Pippo Pappo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippo Pappo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> So, given that Bin Laden and Hitler were arguably not responsible for every murder in the world, should they be considered scapegoats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> So, given that Bin Laden and Hitler were arguably not responsible for every murder in the world, should they be considered scapegoats?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447795</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And the greedy idiots borrowing money to buy real estate thinking it was like printing money, they bear no responsibility?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Real estate agents are fiduciaries.  Mortgage brokers are fiduciaries.  Appraisers are fiduciaries.  They&#039;re all legally obligated to deal in good faith, and they all lied.  The reason that these professions are considered fiduciaries is that the average person cannot  navigate a real estate contract or a loan contract or conduct an appraisal.  So the law creates a class of fiduciaries to help average people through the process.  And those fiduciaries all lied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And the greedy idiots borrowing money to buy real estate thinking it was like printing money, they bear no responsibility?</p></blockquote>
<p>Real estate agents are fiduciaries.  Mortgage brokers are fiduciaries.  Appraisers are fiduciaries.  They&#8217;re all legally obligated to deal in good faith, and they all lied.  The reason that these professions are considered fiduciaries is that the average person cannot  navigate a real estate contract or a loan contract or conduct an appraisal.  So the law creates a class of fiduciaries to help average people through the process.  And those fiduciaries all lied.</p>
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		<title>By: mikey p</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikey p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So? 
Being a greedy sucker isn&#039;t illegal. Setting up a con to steal from greedy suckers is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So? <br />
Being a greedy sucker isn&#8217;t illegal. Setting up a con to steal from greedy suckers is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the greedy idiots borrowing money to buy real estate thinking it was like printing money, they bear no responsibility ?

Seriously, no one&#039;s saying he bears none, just that there is a certain hypocrisy in painting the conned as &quot;innocent bystanders&quot; when they had been as greedy and irresponsible as the con-man.

It&#039;s a game that requires both sides to be greedy bastards.
Of course, when the game&#039;s up, one side has more to lose than the other, that doesn&#039;t make the stung party any less guilty of greed and suspension of reason.

Moreover, the conned ones were very happy as long as this brought employment and prosperity.
But now that it doesn&#039;t work anymore, it&#039;s such a bad thing, and of course always was, sure, it was an ecological disaster, still they borrowed money to be part of it...
Hypocrites I tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the greedy idiots borrowing money to buy real estate thinking it was like printing money, they bear no responsibility ?</p>
<p>Seriously, no one&#8217;s saying he bears none, just that there is a certain hypocrisy in painting the conned as &#8220;innocent bystanders&#8221; when they had been as greedy and irresponsible as the con-man.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a game that requires both sides to be greedy bastards.<br />
Of course, when the game&#8217;s up, one side has more to lose than the other, that doesn&#8217;t make the stung party any less guilty of greed and suspension of reason.</p>
<p>Moreover, the conned ones were very happy as long as this brought employment and prosperity.<br />
But now that it doesn&#8217;t work anymore, it&#8217;s such a bad thing, and of course always was, sure, it was an ecological disaster, still they borrowed money to be part of it&#8230;<br />
Hypocrites I tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashen Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashen Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yes, he created the real estate bubble.
He dropped most of the laws concerning where could be build or not. Literally thousands of formerly protected ecological areas were devastated to build huge luxury projects like Marina´Dor, theme parks and unnecessary infrastructure.
He allowed  banks and saving banks lend money beyond any measure.
Mysteriously most the real state promoters and  businessmen enriched by this where directly related to the ruling party, as they were lend money from saving banks controlled by the same politicians (Saving banks in Spain are directed by politicians, not bankers).
&quot;The Spanish Miracle&quot; he said.
He was the bus driver who steered the wheel to the cliff, he jumped from the bus and blamed the passengers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yes, he created the real estate bubble.<br />
He dropped most of the laws concerning where could be build or not. Literally thousands of formerly protected ecological areas were devastated to build huge luxury projects like Marina´Dor, theme parks and unnecessary infrastructure.<br />
He allowed  banks and saving banks lend money beyond any measure.<br />
Mysteriously most the real state promoters and  businessmen enriched by this where directly related to the ruling party, as they were lend money from saving banks controlled by the same politicians (Saving banks in Spain are directed by politicians, not bankers).<br />
&#8220;The Spanish Miracle&#8221; he said.<br />
He was the bus driver who steered the wheel to the cliff, he jumped from the bus and blamed the passengers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447789</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nail, head. A lot of smaller local mutual &quot;banks&quot; have also failed. Mutually owned means no shareholders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nail, head. A lot of smaller local mutual &#8221;banks&#8221; have also failed. Mutually owned means no shareholders.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Campbell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447788</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the millions of morons actually buying into the bubble bear no responsibility ? Charming...

A bubble like this one exists not only because banks and governments create the conditions for it to exist, but also because thousands upon thousands of suckers believe in making a lot of money with minimal work and investment.
It&#039;s the &quot;little people&#039;s&quot; greed that created the spanish bubble.

Sure, a con requires a con man, but it also requires a greedy mark believing he&#039;s the one gaming the system, and boy, was the spanish people a greedy sucker.

From the banks and government point of view, that con paid off, as it provided prosperity and employment as long as no one asked too many questions about the reality of the valuation and debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the millions of morons actually buying into the bubble bear no responsibility ? Charming&#8230;</p>
<p>A bubble like this one exists not only because banks and governments create the conditions for it to exist, but also because thousands upon thousands of suckers believe in making a lot of money with minimal work and investment.<br />
It&#8217;s the &#8220;little people&#8217;s&#8221; greed that created the spanish bubble.</p>
<p>Sure, a con requires a con man, but it also requires a greedy mark believing he&#8217;s the one gaming the system, and boy, was the spanish people a greedy sucker.</p>
<p>From the banks and government point of view, that con paid off, as it provided prosperity and employment as long as no one asked too many questions about the reality of the valuation and debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Scatter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447779</link>
		<dc:creator>Scatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, crowd funded. </description>
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		<title>By: Scatter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447778</link>
		<dc:creator>Scatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crowd sourced litigation? Now that is an interesting idea. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crowd sourced litigation? Now that is an interesting idea. </p>
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		<title>By: BunnyShank</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447777</link>
		<dc:creator>BunnyShank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously. The closest OWS San Francisco got to this was my imagining &quot;Fat Bottom Girls&quot; playing in my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously. The closest OWS San Francisco got to this was my imagining &#8220;Fat Bottom Girls&#8221; playing in my head.</p>
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		<title>By: kraut</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447775</link>
		<dc:creator>kraut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He created the real estate bubble? Wow.   If he&#039;s that powerful, surely he could just walk away from the prosecution, over the blue waters of the med, or smite his detractors with thunderbolts.

The real estate bubble was caused mainly by the creation of the eurozone (interest rates too high at the core, too low at the periphery), technical innovations in banking (securitising mortgage debt made it easier for banks to lend a lot more), and good, old-fashioned greed by all the people who thought they were making an easy buck. No, no the &quot;banksters&quot;, but all the people who borrowed and bought houses thinking they were making huge amounts of money.

Take some responsibility, people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He created the real estate bubble? Wow.   If he&#8217;s that powerful, surely he could just walk away from the prosecution, over the blue waters of the med, or smite his detractors with thunderbolts.</p>
<p>The real estate bubble was caused mainly by the creation of the eurozone (interest rates too high at the core, too low at the periphery), technical innovations in banking (securitising mortgage debt made it easier for banks to lend a lot more), and good, old-fashioned greed by all the people who thought they were making an easy buck. No, no the &#8220;banksters&#8221;, but all the people who borrowed and bought houses thinking they were making huge amounts of money.</p>
<p>Take some responsibility, people.</p>
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		<title>By: kraut</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/11/spanish-activists-raise-money.html#comment-1447772</link>
		<dc:creator>kraut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question. Did he go around all the estate agents windows, raising house prices every night, and then put a gun to peoples head to force them to borrow way too much money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question. Did he go around all the estate agents windows, raising house prices every night, and then put a gun to peoples head to force them to borrow way too much money?</p>
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