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	<title>Comments on: Indie author gets sticker shock from Amazon &quot;delivery&#160;fees&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: AvantiSmith</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1451712</link>
		<dc:creator>AvantiSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 03:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Hyde is the worst kind of whiner. By his own admission he spent a whole week writing his book. Amazon treated him well and made his book a hit and now he&#039;s complaining about the delivery charges for his bloated file.  If he had published it himself in print and found a national distributor he&#039;d be lucky to recoup 35% of list and would have none of Amazon&#039;s reach and recommendation features to help him gain visibility.  Not everyone has Boing Boing, Radar or the Domino project to hype his book.  If Hyde is so great, he should spend another week and write something else and try to get traction without Amazon. Jeez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Hyde is the worst kind of whiner. By his own admission he spent a whole week writing his book. Amazon treated him well and made his book a hit and now he&#8217;s complaining about the delivery charges for his bloated file.  If he had published it himself in print and found a national distributor he&#8217;d be lucky to recoup 35% of list and would have none of Amazon&#8217;s reach and recommendation features to help him gain visibility.  Not everyone has Boing Boing, Radar or the Domino project to hype his book.  If Hyde is so great, he should spend another week and write something else and try to get traction without Amazon. Jeez.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Dee Yackley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1450834</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Dee Yackley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much does Amazon earn on a &quot;real&quot; book?  I&#039;ve been working with computers since1985, and I&#039;d rather buy real because I can have it 50 years no matter the technology changes.  The only e-books I buy are classics...aka: free.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much does Amazon earn on a &#8220;real&#8221; book?  I&#8217;ve been working with computers since1985, and I&#8217;d rather buy real because I can have it 50 years no matter the technology changes.  The only e-books I buy are classics&#8230;aka: free.  </p>
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		<title>By: TwilightNewsSite</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1449173</link>
		<dc:creator>TwilightNewsSite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote to Amazon and asked about this issue.  This was their response:

&quot;The Delivery Costs for a Digital Book will be equal to $0.15 multiplied by our determination of the number of megabytes your Digital Book file contains, once uploaded by you and converted by us into our then-current Digital Book format. One megabyte equals 1024 kilobytes. One kilobyte equals 1024 bytes. We will round file sizes up to the nearest kilobyte. The minimum Delivery Cost for a Digital Book will be $0.01 regardless of file size.


For instance, in the US Kindle Store, if your book has a file size of 0.400 megabytes and a List Price of $8.99, the Delivery Cost will be $0.06 (0.400 MB x $0.15 = $0.06), and your Royalty will be $6.25 (($8.99 – $0.06) x 70 percent = $6.25).


The royalty calculation is as follows:  Equal to 70 percent of the amount equal to the applicable List Price for the Digital Book less the Delivery Costs (as defined above) for the Digital Book. But if we sell the Digital Book at a price below the List Price to match the price at which a third party sells any digital or physical edition of the Digital Book or to match the price at which we sell any physical edition of the Digital Book, the Royalty will be equal to 70 percent of the amount equal to the price at which we sell the Digital Book less the Delivery Costs for the Digital Book.


This can be further illustrated in the link below:


http://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=200634500


Note: Because List Price, File Size, Offer Price, and Delivery Charge can all change at any time, copies of the same book sold throughout the course of one week may have had different values for each of these attributes in your royalty reports. Therefore, average values are displayed in your reports. 


Delivery costs apply only to the 70% royalty option and are not subject to our 35% royalty option.  Additional information regarding royalty report criteria can be found in our Help pages:


https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=200641170


I hope this information is helpful.  Thank you for using Amazon KDP.

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That was the end of their response.  So, a key element of your book&#039;s royalties is its&#039; total file size, which is mainly a function of how large your images are.  Note the following limits:

&quot;Digital books with a file size greater than 3 megabytes up to 10 megabytes must also have a list price of at least $.99, and digital books with a file size of 10 megabytes or greater must have a list price of at least $2.99.&quot;

Source: https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A36BYK5S7AJ2NQ


So, if I&#039;m figuring correctly, my book, &quot;Twilight for Life&quot;, which is 5 MB (5 x $0.15 = $0.75), and since the percentage is calculated AFTER the delivery fee is subtracted from the purchase price, the royalty would be calculated as follows: 

2.99 price - 0.75 delivery fee = 2.24 subtotal x .70 percentage = $1.568 royalty.

Or, rather, that would be the royalties, if Twilight readers were more interested in the metaphorical parallels of heroes&#039; journeys and the challenges we face IRL, than they apparently are.   ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote to Amazon and asked about this issue.  This was their response:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Delivery Costs for a Digital Book will be equal to $0.15 multiplied by our determination of the number of megabytes your Digital Book file contains, once uploaded by you and converted by us into our then-current Digital Book format. One megabyte equals 1024 kilobytes. One kilobyte equals 1024 bytes. We will round file sizes up to the nearest kilobyte. The minimum Delivery Cost for a Digital Book will be $0.01 regardless of file size.</p>
<p>For instance, in the US Kindle Store, if your book has a file size of 0.400 megabytes and a List Price of $8.99, the Delivery Cost will be $0.06 (0.400 MB x $0.15 = $0.06), and your Royalty will be $6.25 (($8.99 – $0.06) x 70 percent = $6.25).</p>
<p>The royalty calculation is as follows:  Equal to 70 percent of the amount equal to the applicable List Price for the Digital Book less the Delivery Costs (as defined above) for the Digital Book. But if we sell the Digital Book at a price below the List Price to match the price at which a third party sells any digital or physical edition of the Digital Book or to match the price at which we sell any physical edition of the Digital Book, the Royalty will be equal to 70 percent of the amount equal to the price at which we sell the Digital Book less the Delivery Costs for the Digital Book.</p>
<p>This can be further illustrated in the link below:</p>
<p><a href="http://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=200634500" rel="nofollow">http://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=200634500</a></p>
<p>Note: Because List Price, File Size, Offer Price, and Delivery Charge can all change at any time, copies of the same book sold throughout the course of one week may have had different values for each of these attributes in your royalty reports. Therefore, average values are displayed in your reports. </p>
<p>Delivery costs apply only to the 70% royalty option and are not subject to our 35% royalty option.  Additional information regarding royalty report criteria can be found in our Help pages:</p>
<p><a href="https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=200641170" rel="nofollow">https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=200641170</a></p>
<p>I hope this information is helpful.  Thank you for using Amazon KDP.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>That was the end of their response.  So, a key element of your book&#8217;s royalties is its&#8217; total file size, which is mainly a function of how large your images are.  Note the following limits:</p>
<p>&#8220;Digital books with a file size greater than 3 megabytes up to 10 megabytes must also have a list price of at least $.99, and digital books with a file size of 10 megabytes or greater must have a list price of at least $2.99.&#8221;</p>
<p>Source: <a href="https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A36BYK5S7AJ2NQ" rel="nofollow">https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A36BYK5S7AJ2NQ</a></p>
<p>So, if I&#8217;m figuring correctly, my book, &#8220;Twilight for Life&#8221;, which is 5 MB (5 x $0.15 = $0.75), and since the percentage is calculated AFTER the delivery fee is subtracted from the purchase price, the royalty would be calculated as follows: </p>
<p>2.99 price &#8211; 0.75 delivery fee = 2.24 subtotal x .70 percentage = $1.568 royalty.</p>
<p>Or, rather, that would be the royalties, if Twilight readers were more interested in the metaphorical parallels of heroes&#8217; journeys and the challenges we face IRL, than they apparently are.   ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: RevelryByNight</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1449083</link>
		<dc:creator>RevelryByNight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> They have spiders that roam for your book on other sites.  If it&#039;s listed at a lower price their autobots will lower the price to match.  This is how authors I know are able to list their ebooks for free on Amazon.  They post it at a &quot;normal&quot; price on Amazon, then post it for free on Smashwords or similar, and within a week or two, &quot;poof!&quot; free ebook on Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> They have spiders that roam for your book on other sites.  If it&#8217;s listed at a lower price their autobots will lower the price to match.  This is how authors I know are able to list their ebooks for free on Amazon.  They post it at a &#8220;normal&#8221; price on Amazon, then post it for free on Smashwords or similar, and within a week or two, &#8220;poof!&#8221; free ebook on Amazon.</p>
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		<title>By: RevelryByNight</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1449079</link>
		<dc:creator>RevelryByNight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I double checked the DRM thing, and yes they allow you to choose without swaying.  I stand corrected on that.  The price thing though is still a big &quot;nope&quot;.  They say quite clearly the price  &quot;Must be between $.99 and $200&quot; and any attempt input a price below .99 is met with red text and prohibition.  Can you tell me where they allow free uploads?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I double checked the DRM thing, and yes they allow you to choose without swaying.  I stand corrected on that.  The price thing though is still a big &#8220;nope&#8221;.  They say quite clearly the price  &#8220;Must be between $.99 and $200&#8243; and any attempt input a price below .99 is met with red text and prohibition.  Can you tell me where they allow free uploads?</p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448784</link>
		<dc:creator>foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just double checked and yes, Smashwords does still force you to use their converter. You can&#039;t just upload epub/mobi files to them.

Amazon&#039;s format isn&#039;t proprietary; the spec is published. It predates ePub quite significantly, and they are technically almost identical. You can set free titles on Amazon and they neither encourage nor discourage you to use DRM. It&#039;s a choice they leave up to you, with no default.

Smashwords like to present themselves as an angel, but they&#039;re really not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just double checked and yes, Smashwords does still force you to use their converter. You can&#8217;t just upload epub/mobi files to them.</p>
<p>Amazon&#8217;s format isn&#8217;t proprietary; the spec is published. It predates ePub quite significantly, and they are technically almost identical. You can set free titles on Amazon and they neither encourage nor discourage you to use DRM. It&#8217;s a choice they leave up to you, with no default.</p>
<p>Smashwords like to present themselves as an angel, but they&#8217;re really not.</p>
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		<title>By: David Niall Wilson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448434</link>
		<dc:creator>David Niall Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce, they aren&#039;t likely to see it on their own, but there is a button on the product page where they ask people to &quot;report a lower price&quot;.  I believe if one or two people click that and point to the free site, Amazon will key on it.  I&#039;m not a big proponent of giving things away, but that&#039;s how I&#039;ve seen it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce, they aren&#8217;t likely to see it on their own, but there is a button on the product page where they ask people to &#8220;report a lower price&#8221;.  I believe if one or two people click that and point to the free site, Amazon will key on it.  I&#8217;m not a big proponent of giving things away, but that&#8217;s how I&#8217;ve seen it work.</p>
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		<title>By: niktemadur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448347</link>
		<dc:creator>niktemadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 06:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Their “Contact Us” is a FAQ with no way to send a message.&lt;/i&gt;

Yuck, this isn&#039;t the first time I&#039;ve bumped into this insouciant crap from major players.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Their “Contact Us” is a FAQ with no way to send a message.</i></p>
<p>Yuck, this isn&#8217;t the first time I&#8217;ve bumped into this insouciant crap from major players.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Anderson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448315</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt that Amazon is gouging authors by charging way more to deliver the book than the telcos charge them for bandwidth.  I&#039;m still waiting for a ruling on whether they&#039;re actually charging the &quot;delivery fee&quot; when people download via wifi.

I&#039;ve got a self-published book up on Amazon (Singularity sci-fi, CC-licensed), and they&#039;ve been taking $0.08 from each sale.  Not enough to worry about, and yet I still feel a bit ripped off if they&#039;re charging this for wifi delivery.

On an unrelated note, I know Amazon starts giving away ebooks for free if they find out it&#039;s being given away free elsewhere, but I&#039;ve asked around and nobody seems to be sure what will trigger that.  Has anyone gotten bitten by this for giving away the book on their personal site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that Amazon is gouging authors by charging way more to deliver the book than the telcos charge them for bandwidth.  I&#8217;m still waiting for a ruling on whether they&#8217;re actually charging the &#8220;delivery fee&#8221; when people download via wifi.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a self-published book up on Amazon (Singularity sci-fi, CC-licensed), and they&#8217;ve been taking $0.08 from each sale.  Not enough to worry about, and yet I still feel a bit ripped off if they&#8217;re charging this for wifi delivery.</p>
<p>On an unrelated note, I know Amazon starts giving away ebooks for free if they find out it&#8217;s being given away free elsewhere, but I&#8217;ve asked around and nobody seems to be sure what will trigger that.  Has anyone gotten bitten by this for giving away the book on their personal site?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Anderson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448308</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how much do you think it costs to encrypt an 18Mb file?

Let&#039;s say an 18MB file takes 2 seconds to encrypt (that&#039;s a conservative estimate).  You can buy an hour of computing time on Amazon&#039;s EC2 for 8 cents.  Ignoring that Amazon can probably get a discount on EC2  time, the cost of encrypting an 18MB file is approximately $0.00004.  (or 4 cents for each thousand books sold).

Not worth considering.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how much do you think it costs to encrypt an 18Mb file?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say an 18MB file takes 2 seconds to encrypt (that&#8217;s a conservative estimate).  You can buy an hour of computing time on Amazon&#8217;s EC2 for 8 cents.  Ignoring that Amazon can probably get a discount on EC2  time, the cost of encrypting an 18MB file is approximately $0.00004.  (or 4 cents for each thousand books sold).</p>
<p>Not worth considering.</p>
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		<title>By: GIFtheory</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448287</link>
		<dc:creator>GIFtheory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 03:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I wouldn&#039;t say that it isn&#039;t the case that the fees are not unreasonable, not by a long shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I wouldn&#8217;t say that it isn&#8217;t the case that the fees are not unreasonable, not by a long shot.</p>
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		<title>By: David Niall Wilson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448281</link>
		<dc:creator>David Niall Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazon will still get you...because it costs money to e-mail a book to your kindle (lol).  If people want to help the author and save the money they should buy at a different site and take the extra step to download it and transfer it to the Kindle with the USB cable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon will still get you&#8230;because it costs money to e-mail a book to your kindle (lol).  If people want to help the author and save the money they should buy at a different site and take the extra step to download it and transfer it to the Kindle with the USB cable.</p>
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		<title>By: petsounds</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448259</link>
		<dc:creator>petsounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Setting up a secure, online store and processing center? Those costs were amortized long ago.

It sounds like what&#039;s happening is, Amazon is offering free 3g to Kindle owners on the backs of authors. In effect, Amazon got a free boost in Kindle marketshare (free 3g is a fairly big differentiator) by taxing the authors of the content it is selling. That is a dirty tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Setting up a secure, online store and processing center? Those costs were amortized long ago.</p>
<p>It sounds like what&#8217;s happening is, Amazon is offering free 3g to Kindle owners on the backs of authors. In effect, Amazon got a free boost in Kindle marketshare (free 3g is a fairly big differentiator) by taxing the authors of the content it is selling. That is a dirty tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448257</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 02:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still can&#039;t decipher your second paragraph.</description>
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		<title>By: Bloo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448252</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder - if you host the file, can you include buttons to send it to the user&#039;s Kindle address (somebody@kindle.com or somebody@free.kindle.com)?  seems like you&#039;d be handling the delivery. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder &#8211; if you host the file, can you include buttons to send it to the user&#8217;s Kindle address (somebody@kindle.com or <a href="mailto:somebody@free.kindle.com">somebody@free.kindle.com</a>)?  seems like you&#8217;d be handling the delivery. </p>
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		<title>By: Len Feldman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448241</link>
		<dc:creator>Len Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given what Amazon charged for Hyde&#039;s 18.1MB eBook, they&#039;re charging $142.54 per gigabyte. On AT&amp;T, which provides Amazon&#039;s 3G service in the U.S., any consumer can get 5GB/month for $50 on contract. I guarantee you that Amazon is paying less than $10/GB for its 3G service.  $142.54 for less than $10 of bandwidth is a pretty steep markup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given what Amazon charged for Hyde&#8217;s 18.1MB eBook, they&#8217;re charging $142.54 per gigabyte. On AT&amp;T, which provides Amazon&#8217;s 3G service in the U.S., any consumer can get 5GB/month for $50 on contract. I guarantee you that Amazon is paying less than $10/GB for its 3G service.  $142.54 for less than $10 of bandwidth is a pretty steep markup.</p>
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		<title>By: RevelryByNight</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevelryByNight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Smashwords is the least shady ebook retailer I&#039;ve used. They don&#039;t force you to use a converter: they have a free ebook that teaches you how to properly format your book and they do a check to make sure you did it correctly (something which Kindle could certainly benefit from). 

Amazon, on the other hand, forces you to use their proprietary format, ensuring your purchases can only be read on Kindle, and they encourage (if not require) DRM. And you can&#039;t set free titles.

Smashwords distributes to many other (smaller) retailers and keeps less in commission than B&amp;N, Kindle, and iBookstore. You can make your books DRM free, and you get the same cut no matter where you set your price. And you can post it for free.

Plus, when PayPal got all shitty with the erotica/pr0n rules, Smashwords fought back in support of their authors and won. 

Smashwords is terrific, and Amazon is the shadiest bastard on the block</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Smashwords is the least shady ebook retailer I&#8217;ve used. They don&#8217;t force you to use a converter: they have a free ebook that teaches you how to properly format your book and they do a check to make sure you did it correctly (something which Kindle could certainly benefit from). </p>
<p>Amazon, on the other hand, forces you to use their proprietary format, ensuring your purchases can only be read on Kindle, and they encourage (if not require) DRM. And you can&#8217;t set free titles.</p>
<p>Smashwords distributes to many other (smaller) retailers and keeps less in commission than B&amp;N, Kindle, and iBookstore. You can make your books DRM free, and you get the same cut no matter where you set your price. And you can post it for free.</p>
<p>Plus, when PayPal got all shitty with the erotica/pr0n rules, Smashwords fought back in support of their authors and won. </p>
<p>Smashwords is terrific, and Amazon is the shadiest bastard on the block</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448188</link>
		<dc:creator>Diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until Amazon gets some real competition, give the book away on your website.  You can make your money off your speaking tour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until Amazon gets some real competition, give the book away on your website.  You can make your money off your speaking tour.</p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448128</link>
		<dc:creator>foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smashwords is a bit shady. They won&#039;t allow you to submit just plain epub/mobi files; they force you to use their converter, keeping you dependent on them.

Also, their 15% is &lt;i&gt;above&lt;/i&gt; any vendor charges, </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smashwords is a bit shady. They won&#8217;t allow you to submit just plain epub/mobi files; they force you to use their converter, keeping you dependent on them.</p>
<p>Also, their 15% is <i>above</i> any vendor charges, </p>
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		<title>By: Max Kingsbury</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448084</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Kingsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you saying &quot;no&quot; to? I&#039;m saying that Amazon&#039;s markup from hosting to selling is an apples to oranges comparison, and doesn&#039;t include things like payment processing or listing on Amazon.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you saying &#8220;no&#8221; to? I&#8217;m saying that Amazon&#8217;s markup from hosting to selling is an apples to oranges comparison, and doesn&#8217;t include things like payment processing or listing on Amazon.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448072</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand all of your points, and was previously aware of them, but it doesn&#039;t change my argument. 
Is Amazon an eBook monopoly? Maybe it is, but I don&#039;t see it as one; they can&#039;t dictate whatever price they want, they&#039;re not the only eBook retailer, not by a long shot. What they do have is a big audience and a high-performance ecommerce platform (it&#039;s not just about traffic, not by a long shot).  Even if they are technically a monopoly (in which case shouldn&#039;t action be taken against them?) I don&#039;t think their commissions are high enough to warrant this kind of backlash.  They just have the biggest wedge of cheese, and are very good at selling things - which to me at least has value, value that results in more income - which is a good thing for everyone. 
The commission rates you see above are perfectly normal in the digital asset marketplace world; there were web design marketplaces back in the day that charged as much as 70% commission, and in the industries I&#039;ve worked in the norm is 30-50%.  In the physical retail world 50% is a pretty standard markup - which isn&#039;t really that different in nature to a commission on the sale (assuming you make sales of course). 
It&#039;s not cheap running a marketplace, I know: http://www.startups.co.uk/63-falling-pixel-startups-100.html (although I haven&#039;t been involved for quite a few years now).  We had 30% commission rates, which at the time were the best in the industry by a clear 10%. 
Admittedly Amazon are in a position to be more competitive, but I don&#039;t think the incentive is there for them yet - give it a year or two and I think you&#039;ll see more commonality in the commission rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand all of your points, and was previously aware of them, but it doesn&#8217;t change my argument.<br />
Is Amazon an eBook monopoly? Maybe it is, but I don&#8217;t see it as one; they can&#8217;t dictate whatever price they want, they&#8217;re not the only eBook retailer, not by a long shot. What they do have is a big audience and a high-performance ecommerce platform (it&#8217;s not just about traffic, not by a long shot).  Even if they are technically a monopoly (in which case shouldn&#8217;t action be taken against them?) I don&#8217;t think their commissions are high enough to warrant this kind of backlash.  They just have the biggest wedge of cheese, and are very good at selling things &#8211; which to me at least has value, value that results in more income &#8211; which is a good thing for everyone.<br />
The commission rates you see above are perfectly normal in the digital asset marketplace world; there were web design marketplaces back in the day that charged as much as 70% commission, and in the industries I&#8217;ve worked in the norm is 30-50%.  In the physical retail world 50% is a pretty standard markup &#8211; which isn&#8217;t really that different in nature to a commission on the sale (assuming you make sales of course).<br />
It&#8217;s not cheap running a marketplace, I know: <a href="http://www.startups.co.uk/63-falling-pixel-startups-100.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.startups.co.uk/63-falling-pixel-startups-100.html</a> (although I haven&#8217;t been involved for quite a few years now).  We had 30% commission rates, which at the time were the best in the industry by a clear 10%.<br />
Admittedly Amazon are in a position to be more competitive, but I don&#8217;t think the incentive is there for them yet &#8211; give it a year or two and I think you&#8217;ll see more commonality in the commission rates.</p>
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		<title>By: Joris_M</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448058</link>
		<dc:creator>Joris_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. All hosting, payment processing, store overhead, and all other stuff is in the 30%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. All hosting, payment processing, store overhead, and all other stuff is in the 30%.</p>
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		<title>By: retepslluerb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448046</link>
		<dc:creator>retepslluerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even then it would be a negliable cost, otherwise Apple would have to charge this fee, too. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even then it would be a negliable cost, otherwise Apple would have to charge this fee, too. </p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448045</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I say, I think the whole &#039;delivery&#039; thing is odd, so agree it&#039;s poorly described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I say, I think the whole &#8216;delivery&#8217; thing is odd, so agree it&#8217;s poorly described.</p>
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		<title>By: David Niall Wilson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448027</link>
		<dc:creator>David Niall Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s only true if you are talking about a big, image-heavy product.  The discussion here is really, I think, about them charging this higher data price point on larger files, and how high that price-point actually is.  To ship a smaller book they are taking only a couple of cents....to ship the bigger book, they are taking a chunk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s only true if you are talking about a big, image-heavy product.  The discussion here is really, I think, about them charging this higher data price point on larger files, and how high that price-point actually is.  To ship a smaller book they are taking only a couple of cents&#8230;.to ship the bigger book, they are taking a chunk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Life Of Bryan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448026</link>
		<dc:creator>The Life Of Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I should go change into one of the tie-dyes we made in the last batch before requesting that you unbunch thine pantaloons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I should go change into one of the tie-dyes we made in the last batch before requesting that you unbunch thine pantaloons?</p>
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		<title>By: David Niall Wilson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448025</link>
		<dc:creator>David Niall Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.  Thanks.
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		<title>By: RayCornwall</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448020</link>
		<dc:creator>RayCornwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the higher delivery fees made sense when Amazon was beaming books across 3G. Someone had to pay those fees, and Amazon said, &quot;Let the author/publisher pay.&quot;

What would be nice to know is how the ratio between books delivered on 3G vs. wifi (which is cheaper for Amazon to deliver, as they don&#039;t have to pay for the &quot;last mile&quot; connectivity between your router and the Kindle device) has changed over the years since the Kindle was introduced, and whether or not Amazon has changed its fees since then to adjust. 

I don&#039;t think I&#039;m going to hold my breath waiting for those stats (Amazon still hasn&#039;t released stats on Kindles sold, have they?), but it&#039;d be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the higher delivery fees made sense when Amazon was beaming books across 3G. Someone had to pay those fees, and Amazon said, &#8220;Let the author/publisher pay.&#8221;</p>
<p>What would be nice to know is how the ratio between books delivered on 3G vs. wifi (which is cheaper for Amazon to deliver, as they don&#8217;t have to pay for the &#8220;last mile&#8221; connectivity between your router and the Kindle device) has changed over the years since the Kindle was introduced, and whether or not Amazon has changed its fees since then to adjust. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m going to hold my breath waiting for those stats (Amazon still hasn&#8217;t released stats on Kindles sold, have they?), but it&#8217;d be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Kingsbury</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448007</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Kingsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ratio of the two markups gives us an &quot;author bullshit factor&quot; of 129000/666 = 193 or 19,300% !</description>
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		<title>By: Max Kingsbury</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/12/indie-author-gets-sticker-shoc.html#comment-1448005</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Kingsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote with your feet/money.</description>
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