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	<title>Comments on: PoV documentary on underground bike-messenger&#160;racing</title>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1452737</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> brake pedal not break pedal</description>
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		<title>By: noah django</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1452180</link>
		<dc:creator>noah django</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they must make the wine extra strong in der Ferienhaus Landschaft.

keep practicing your English, Kirk.  you&#039;ll get better one day.   until then, stick to posting on the internet, where nobody cares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they must make the wine extra strong in der Ferienhaus Landschaft.</p>
<p>keep practicing your English, Kirk.  you&#8217;ll get better one day.   until then, stick to posting on the internet, where nobody cares.</p>
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		<title>By: k0an</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1451420</link>
		<dc:creator>k0an</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking the same thing.  When that movie comes out this behavior will spike.  Hopefully it&#039;s a brief spike though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking the same thing.  When that movie comes out this behavior will spike.  Hopefully it&#8217;s a brief spike though.</p>
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		<title>By: k0an</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1451410</link>
		<dc:creator>k0an</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here.  These people are behaving poorly and putting innocent people at risk.  You can see a similar incident at 1:40 of this video.  No excuse for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here.  These people are behaving poorly and putting innocent people at risk.  You can see a similar incident at 1:40 of this video.  No excuse for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Froeliche</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1451258</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Froeliche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not the viewer that says who they are and what they claim to represent. They say that and that they represent the group they claim.

That is undeniable and deflates your assumptions of what viewers see. They generalize themselves, it is not the viewer. Many here even say &quot;they are not representative, not all of those are criminals and proud of it&quot; 

As for the rest, who only accept what the ones in the video claim, why should they do otherwise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not the viewer that says who they are and what they claim to represent. They say that and that they represent the group they claim.</p>
<p>That is undeniable and deflates your assumptions of what viewers see. They generalize themselves, it is not the viewer. Many here even say &#8220;they are not representative, not all of those are criminals and proud of it&#8221; </p>
<p>As for the rest, who only accept what the ones in the video claim, why should they do otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Froeliche</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1451257</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Froeliche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahah i am glad you continue to make assumptions and re-frame the discussion by making poor comparisons and repeating what others before you said.

yes i created my account by pushing one button &quot;Google&quot; when my friens said &quot;read this&quot; You think that worrying about that is called being unable to do otherwise? You are right, you have to go there, you can&#039;t contradict me, so you worry about my provenance. You are a fail at discussion.

I live in the nation&#039;s capitol and ride everywhere, pizza boys like you are a threat, you have no strength do live the way you want but are happy to make assumptions about others, weakness, and then you get behind the wheel.

The video is full of fail, just because you admire yourself in the same mirror does not change the image of who is next to you, you think this real-life Cannonball run is meaning to you, it is the same as going on your knees in front of Burt Reynolds.

Don&#039;t like it? Next time stick to topic, don&#039;t worry about who it is speaking. I will take no time to edit this, if you can&#039;t understand it I only laugh more. I am on holiday in cotage country, thank you for making it fun AND funny.

Now go get me a pizza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahah i am glad you continue to make assumptions and re-frame the discussion by making poor comparisons and repeating what others before you said.</p>
<p>yes i created my account by pushing one button &#8220;Google&#8221; when my friens said &#8220;read this&#8221; You think that worrying about that is called being unable to do otherwise? You are right, you have to go there, you can&#8217;t contradict me, so you worry about my provenance. You are a fail at discussion.</p>
<p>I live in the nation&#8217;s capitol and ride everywhere, pizza boys like you are a threat, you have no strength do live the way you want but are happy to make assumptions about others, weakness, and then you get behind the wheel.</p>
<p>The video is full of fail, just because you admire yourself in the same mirror does not change the image of who is next to you, you think this real-life Cannonball run is meaning to you, it is the same as going on your knees in front of Burt Reynolds.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t like it? Next time stick to topic, don&#8217;t worry about who it is speaking. I will take no time to edit this, if you can&#8217;t understand it I only laugh more. I am on holiday in cotage country, thank you for making it fun AND funny.</p>
<p>Now go get me a pizza.</p>
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		<title>By: noah django</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1451210</link>
		<dc:creator>noah django</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you, I like.  thanks for crystallizing my thought a bit better, sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you, I like.  thanks for crystallizing my thought a bit better, sir.</p>
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		<title>By: noah django</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1451195</link>
		<dc:creator>noah django</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 06:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dog, are you serious?  You CREATED YOUR ACCOUNT just to negatively respond to this thread.  pic related.  this is exactly the thing I&#039;m talking about.  I&#039;m trying to re-frame the debate in some ways that nobody has brought up,  and you have to add your voice to everyone else defending your right to a motorized wheelchair that weighs a ton.  look man, I&#039;ll admit I was being hyperbolic at times to illustrate where I&#039;m coming from--I wasn&#039;t even trying to hide it.  (A million pounds was in reference to the car you pilot, btw, so I&#039;m not the only one being overly sensitive?)

I&#039;m trying to go to work, the store, and back home.  I get threats on my life regularly.  cars perceive things I do to either just ride, or to stay alive--even fully legal ones--as &quot;being a jerk.&quot;  My point is that until you&#039;ve been in that situation, you&#039;re not qualified to differentiate.  But y&#039;all see this video and you act so ˆthreatenedˆ, and it&#039;s totally backwards.  Y&#039;all threaten ME, not the reverse.  The rage in this thread is ridiculous, but luckily you were here to point out my logical fallacies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dog, are you serious?  You CREATED YOUR ACCOUNT just to negatively respond to this thread.  pic related.  this is exactly the thing I&#8217;m talking about.  I&#8217;m trying to re-frame the debate in some ways that nobody has brought up,  and you have to add your voice to everyone else defending your right to a motorized wheelchair that weighs a ton.  look man, I&#8217;ll admit I was being hyperbolic at times to illustrate where I&#8217;m coming from&#8211;I wasn&#8217;t even trying to hide it.  (A million pounds was in reference to the car you pilot, btw, so I&#8217;m not the only one being overly sensitive?)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to go to work, the store, and back home.  I get threats on my life regularly.  cars perceive things I do to either just ride, or to stay alive&#8211;even fully legal ones&#8211;as &#8220;being a jerk.&#8221;  My point is that until you&#8217;ve been in that situation, you&#8217;re not qualified to differentiate.  But y&#8217;all see this video and you act so ˆthreatenedˆ, and it&#8217;s totally backwards.  Y&#8217;all threaten ME, not the reverse.  The rage in this thread is ridiculous, but luckily you were here to point out my logical fallacies.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I lived in SF, I drove down the middle of the road whenever possible in order to avoid the inevitable people suddenly appearing from between two vans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lived in SF, I drove down the middle of the road whenever possible in order to avoid the inevitable people suddenly appearing from between two vans.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Froeliche</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1450785</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Froeliche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense I have a very large feet and am what you may call portly. My house is a good comfortable size. 

but a good observation nonetheless, although I would use shoulder width for at least one dimension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense I have a very large feet and am what you may call portly. My house is a good comfortable size. </p>
<p>but a good observation nonetheless, although I would use shoulder width for at least one dimension.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and if my car were 500x my area it would be as big as my house.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Human footprint (both feet together): ~0.5 sq feet

Car footprint (typical): ~95 sq feet.

So your car is about 190x your area. He&#039;s not that far off.

You must have a very small house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and if my car were 500x my area it would be as big as my house.</p></blockquote>
<p>Human footprint (both feet together): ~0.5 sq feet</p>
<p>Car footprint (typical): ~95 sq feet.</p>
<p>So your car is about 190x your area. He&#8217;s not that far off.</p>
<p>You must have a very small house.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because unfortunately our modern world expects many people to go from point A to point B in a short amount of time.

Sure, a biker could get in a car instead, and become the cause of the problem -- thousands of fatalities per year, increased CO2 in the atmosphere, rising diabetes -- and then they would be relaxed and not have any adrenaline, because all the damage they are doing to the world has been externalized, and, hey, the radio&#039;s on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because unfortunately our modern world expects many people to go from point A to point B in a short amount of time.</p>
<p>Sure, a biker could get in a car instead, and become the cause of the problem &#8212; thousands of fatalities per year, increased CO2 in the atmosphere, rising diabetes &#8212; and then they would be relaxed and not have any adrenaline, because all the damage they are doing to the world has been externalized, and, hey, the radio&#8217;s on.</p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diogenes: You can magically see pedestrians who are about to step blithely out from behind a parked car two feet in front of you?

If you&#039;re moving (in any vehicle) faster than 3 MPH, then you&#039;re &quot;overdriving your braking distance&quot; in that situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diogenes: You can magically see pedestrians who are about to step blithely out from behind a parked car two feet in front of you?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re moving (in any vehicle) faster than 3 MPH, then you&#8217;re &#8220;overdriving your braking distance&#8221; in that situation.</p>
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		<title>By: John Yobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Yobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a longtime avid cyclist this clip pisses me off.  Recklessly endangering other is not cool and only serves to damage the relationship between cyclists and others using the roads. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a longtime avid cyclist this clip pisses me off.  Recklessly endangering other is not cool and only serves to damage the relationship between cyclists and others using the roads. </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Roberts</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1450452</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Diogenes:disqus You&#039;ll have to excuse joepost&#039;s lack of peripheral vision - it can&#039;t be easy cycling with an eyepatch on the side of the road where the pedestrians jump out! It&#039;s probably just pedestrians walking parallel to the bike lane and seeing it as an extension to the pavement. If cars had the same problem of pedestrians jumping out at them all the time, they&#039;d either have to skid and swerve or they would hardly be moving. In China we get the same problem, but the cars drive on the pavement/bike lane (there&#039;s not a whole lot of difference). Often the whole pavement is completely snarled up with parked cars or cars trying to save a few seconds. If you go on the road, there are traffic wardens who flag you onto the pavement. It&#039;s weird that in the country of bikes, the car is definitely king.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Diogenes:disqus You&#8217;ll have to excuse joepost&#8217;s lack of peripheral vision &#8211; it can&#8217;t be easy cycling with an eyepatch on the side of the road where the pedestrians jump out! It&#8217;s probably just pedestrians walking parallel to the bike lane and seeing it as an extension to the pavement. If cars had the same problem of pedestrians jumping out at them all the time, they&#8217;d either have to skid and swerve or they would hardly be moving. In China we get the same problem, but the cars drive on the pavement/bike lane (there&#8217;s not a whole lot of difference). Often the whole pavement is completely snarled up with parked cars or cars trying to save a few seconds. If you go on the road, there are traffic wardens who flag you onto the pavement. It&#8217;s weird that in the country of bikes, the car is definitely king.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that&#039;s actually a helmet, just a wide brimmed hat. If you submit to their safety rules, then the motorists win...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s actually a helmet, just a wide brimmed hat. If you submit to their safety rules, then the motorists win&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pasketti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pasketti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like you don&#039;t notice the hundreds of drivers you see every day that do follow the rules, nobody notices the cyclists that do the same thing.

But that asshat driver that cut you off?  Him, you remember.  Same thing with the idiot cyclists.  People notice and remember those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like you don&#8217;t notice the hundreds of drivers you see every day that do follow the rules, nobody notices the cyclists that do the same thing.</p>
<p>But that asshat driver that cut you off?  Him, you remember.  Same thing with the idiot cyclists.  People notice and remember those.</p>
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		<title>By: Pasketti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pasketti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.  Plus, is he also advocating that an 8-year-old kid needs to get a license plate and insurance to ride their bike around the neighborhood or to school and back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  Plus, is he also advocating that an 8-year-old kid needs to get a license plate and insurance to ride their bike around the neighborhood or to school and back?</p>
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		<title>By: HD</title>
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		<dc:creator>HD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, why?  Lots of my friends who get hit have given up.  They just mountain bike now.  The occasional bear is much less dangerous.  Four cyclists at my workplace got hit inside a week recently, two fatal, and one a concussion that kept him out of work for two months.

Rationalizations?  I&#039;ve got to commute anyway, and the bike is just as fast as the car.  Exercise.  Biking combines the commute time with the exercise.  Green.  Sometimes the car doesn&#039;t move for a week at a time.  

And stubbornness.  I don&#039;t want to let the bastards drive me off the road.

Intellectually it&#039;s not worth the risk.  I want to die on a big mountain, not on an city street.  It turns me into an asshole 40 minutes/day.  Yet I&#039;ll probably get back in the saddle Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, why?  Lots of my friends who get hit have given up.  They just mountain bike now.  The occasional bear is much less dangerous.  Four cyclists at my workplace got hit inside a week recently, two fatal, and one a concussion that kept him out of work for two months.</p>
<p>Rationalizations?  I&#8217;ve got to commute anyway, and the bike is just as fast as the car.  Exercise.  Biking combines the commute time with the exercise.  Green.  Sometimes the car doesn&#8217;t move for a week at a time.  </p>
<p>And stubbornness.  I don&#8217;t want to let the bastards drive me off the road.</p>
<p>Intellectually it&#8217;s not worth the risk.  I want to die on a big mountain, not on an city street.  It turns me into an asshole 40 minutes/day.  Yet I&#8217;ll probably get back in the saddle Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yes, that&#039;s the nature of perception, isn&#039;t it? How we view the world is coloured by our own conceits. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, that&#8217;s the nature of perception, isn&#8217;t it? How we view the world is coloured by our own conceits. </p>
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		<title>By: dbt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m a london commuter/cyclist and can&#039;t condone the insanity in the video, though the doco looks entertaining. 
but I wanted to comment on the inevitable license plate call. it&#039;s just a ridiculous thing to suggest that this would stop these guys. they care not for personal safety (yours or theirs), road rules, laws, courtesy or (apparently) gun control. so why the fuck would they ride around on a properly licensed and insured bicycle? they break the law all day, every day. you think they give a shit if their bike has been purchased through official channels or in some fictional government controlled store where each one has an impossible to remove or obscure license plate that law enforcement would easily be able to identify as it disappears between two taxis? i can&#039;t even see what colour shirt they wear let alone read a number on a tiny license plate. unless the vanity plate said &quot;eat my dust&quot; in day-glo letters a foot high you&#039;re living in a fantasy if you think it would have any benefit. 
license plates would be for cyclists like drm is for media. it only hurts the people who already play by the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a london commuter/cyclist and can&#8217;t condone the insanity in the video, though the doco looks entertaining.<br />
but I wanted to comment on the inevitable license plate call. it&#8217;s just a ridiculous thing to suggest that this would stop these guys. they care not for personal safety (yours or theirs), road rules, laws, courtesy or (apparently) gun control. so why the fuck would they ride around on a properly licensed and insured bicycle? they break the law all day, every day. you think they give a shit if their bike has been purchased through official channels or in some fictional government controlled store where each one has an impossible to remove or obscure license plate that law enforcement would easily be able to identify as it disappears between two taxis? i can&#8217;t even see what colour shirt they wear let alone read a number on a tiny license plate. unless the vanity plate said &#8220;eat my dust&#8221; in day-glo letters a foot high you&#8217;re living in a fantasy if you think it would have any benefit.<br />
license plates would be for cyclists like drm is for media. it only hurts the people who already play by the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least amongst people who know who he is.</description>
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		<title>By: philipb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/14/pov-documentary-on-underground.html#comment-1450327</link>
		<dc:creator>philipb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the fact that statistically 100% of the population find Sandusky&#039;s actions reprehensible means that we&#039;re all not giving the issue due thought?

Bloody stupid quote IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the fact that statistically 100% of the population find Sandusky&#8217;s actions reprehensible means that we&#8217;re all not giving the issue due thought?</p>
<p>Bloody stupid quote IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: peeatwork</title>
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		<dc:creator>peeatwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should have called it Ballet of Idiots. </description>
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		<title>By: JorgeBurgos</title>
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		<dc:creator>JorgeBurgos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw you guys, I thoroughly enjoyed this.</description>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quote is known universally as Lippmann&#039;s.</description>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s on target about the disproportionate rage.  When most people watch the above video they see a homogenized group whose behavior offends them.  Generalizing the class then insulting its constituents appears to be the prevailing pattern.  I find this worrisome, because it dehumanizes and departicularizes messengers and other fast urban cyclists to their peril.  I also think it amounts to crowd behavior of a kind that would be familiar to Lippmann.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s on target about the disproportionate rage.  When most people watch the above video they see a homogenized group whose behavior offends them.  Generalizing the class then insulting its constituents appears to be the prevailing pattern.  I find this worrisome, because it dehumanizes and departicularizes messengers and other fast urban cyclists to their peril.  I also think it amounts to crowd behavior of a kind that would be familiar to Lippmann.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Froeliche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Froeliche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am happy to see so many people want to do good on the roads. So many people argue agaisnt cycling because many dont obey the rules of the raod, i think the outcry here is greater and more legitimate because they actually sought to promote bad behaviour and it strikes a different nerve when people do stupid things and promote them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am happy to see so many people want to do good on the roads. So many people argue agaisnt cycling because many dont obey the rules of the raod, i think the outcry here is greater and more legitimate because they actually sought to promote bad behaviour and it strikes a different nerve when people do stupid things and promote them</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Froeliche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Froeliche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are a target rich environment, it is unfair but here are your points:

&gt;The Cannonball Run was a fictional account of an actual race that was widely panned as idiotic, unlawful and unwelcome. They didn&#039;t have the benefit of internet forums but I read the papers. This is not fiction, it&#039;s actual idiocy, unwanted and unwelcome in the same manner. You argue that the fact of the dramatization&#039;s existence justifies the subject matter, but there are many movies about serial killers, no?

&gt;You understand the sentiment but deride it&#039;s expression. So you only mean to be contrarian, good for you.

&gt;You make a biased assumption. I did not read all of this but saw many people were cyclist too. It is not assumption to conclude you have no means of knowing of what you speak.

&gt;Another biased assumption and what might be a fat joke. Why did you try to make it seem you had a separate point?

&gt;Cars are dangerous all here agree that traffic should be orderly and predictable which requires all users to try and be safe in that way. You make their point that the bikers in video are no good.

&gt;The tactics employed are specifically intended to cause disruption, unlike most cyclist who may run stop sign but never run light. Attention seeking scofflaw is not an attempt to be safe.

&gt;No one has argued they have right to break speed law, and if my car were 500x my area it would be as big as my house. As for your oil &amp; terrorist talk, you also drive you admit. You may be crazy, so maybe you are in video?

&gt;Another all or nothing rationale. it is another fail and a self-contradictory statement.

&gt;Another like the last, no points awarded, deductions made for assumptions, again.

&gt;In summation, you agree that people do not want bad behaviour in traffic and it is a widely held concensus. It is not anti-bike to rail against this stuff just like it is not anti-car to be critical of any aspect of cars. All bike and car threads grow this way, it is not special, only to you. 

I will not see yo tomorrow and do not want to have sex with you at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a target rich environment, it is unfair but here are your points:</p>
<p>&gt;The Cannonball Run was a fictional account of an actual race that was widely panned as idiotic, unlawful and unwelcome. They didn&#8217;t have the benefit of internet forums but I read the papers. This is not fiction, it&#8217;s actual idiocy, unwanted and unwelcome in the same manner. You argue that the fact of the dramatization&#8217;s existence justifies the subject matter, but there are many movies about serial killers, no?</p>
<p>&gt;You understand the sentiment but deride it&#8217;s expression. So you only mean to be contrarian, good for you.</p>
<p>&gt;You make a biased assumption. I did not read all of this but saw many people were cyclist too. It is not assumption to conclude you have no means of knowing of what you speak.</p>
<p>&gt;Another biased assumption and what might be a fat joke. Why did you try to make it seem you had a separate point?</p>
<p>&gt;Cars are dangerous all here agree that traffic should be orderly and predictable which requires all users to try and be safe in that way. You make their point that the bikers in video are no good.</p>
<p>&gt;The tactics employed are specifically intended to cause disruption, unlike most cyclist who may run stop sign but never run light. Attention seeking scofflaw is not an attempt to be safe.</p>
<p>&gt;No one has argued they have right to break speed law, and if my car were 500x my area it would be as big as my house. As for your oil &amp; terrorist talk, you also drive you admit. You may be crazy, so maybe you are in video?</p>
<p>&gt;Another all or nothing rationale. it is another fail and a self-contradictory statement.</p>
<p>&gt;Another like the last, no points awarded, deductions made for assumptions, again.</p>
<p>&gt;In summation, you agree that people do not want bad behaviour in traffic and it is a widely held concensus. It is not anti-bike to rail against this stuff just like it is not anti-car to be critical of any aspect of cars. All bike and car threads grow this way, it is not special, only to you. </p>
<p>I will not see yo tomorrow and do not want to have sex with you at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Froeliche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Froeliche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lippman probably would not apply that to this kind of consensus, read about the Almond-Lippman Consensus if you want to see why. 

Also as he was a notable &amp; respected journalist if he had quoted you he likely would have also had the decency to attribute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lippman probably would not apply that to this kind of consensus, read about the Almond-Lippman Consensus if you want to see why. </p>
<p>Also as he was a notable &amp; respected journalist if he had quoted you he likely would have also had the decency to attribute.</p>
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