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	<title>Comments on: Worlds tallest building will be built in China, over 90&#160;days</title>
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		<title>By: kP</title>
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		<dc:creator>kP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you are correct!

http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5787150_cranes-removed-sky-scrapers_.html
&quot;...Usually the large crane will hoist up a smaller crane that is connected to the top of the skyscraper. This allows workers to detach pieces of the primary crane and slowly lower them back down to the ground...
To remove the second crane, a third crane is often sent up, even smaller, to lower the pieces of the second crane down. This third crane is small enough to be taken apart by hand and removed through elevator shafts or other inner passageways...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you are correct!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5787150_cranes-removed-sky-scrapers_.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5787150_cranes-removed-sky-scrapers_.html</a><br />
&#8220;&#8230;Usually the large crane will hoist up a smaller crane that is connected to the top of the skyscraper. This allows workers to detach pieces of the primary crane and slowly lower them back down to the ground&#8230;<br />
To remove the second crane, a third crane is often sent up, even smaller, to lower the pieces of the second crane down. This third crane is small enough to be taken apart by hand and removed through elevator shafts or other inner passageways&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: grimatongueworm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1453230</link>
		<dc:creator>grimatongueworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Came here to post this (domino tumbling apartment building).  Leaving satisfied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came here to post this (domino tumbling apartment building).  Leaving satisfied.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Gehdochscheissen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452743</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Gehdochscheissen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aren&#039;t we still right in the middle of one?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aren&#8217;t we still right in the middle of one?</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Gehdochscheissen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452739</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Gehdochscheissen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sad, but true. coming from a German living in other countries for 12 years
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sad, but true. coming from a German living in other countries for 12 years</p>
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		<title>By: Jellodyne</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452597</link>
		<dc:creator>Jellodyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I, for one, welcome our new Chinese vertical construction overlords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I, for one, welcome our new Chinese vertical construction overlords.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452590</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> What about an &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arcology?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> What about an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology" rel="nofollow">Arcology?</a></p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452589</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cf. JG Ballard&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Rise&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High Rise&lt;/a&gt;

(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2004979/Daddy-saw-horrors-boy-prison-camp-Maybe-thats-childhood-magical-J-G-Ballards-daughter-pays-moving-tribute-father.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;image source&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cf. JG Ballard&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Rise" rel="nofollow">High Rise</a></p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2004979/Daddy-saw-horrors-boy-prison-camp-Maybe-thats-childhood-magical-J-G-Ballards-daughter-pays-moving-tribute-father.html" rel="nofollow">image source</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452580</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Lowered by what? A crane-lowering crane?

Which is itself, lowered in pieces by.... a crane-lowering-crane-lowering-crane?

Which is itself, lowered in pieces by....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Lowered by what? A crane-lowering crane?</p>
<p>Which is itself, lowered in pieces by&#8230;. a crane-lowering-crane-lowering-crane?</p>
<p>Which is itself, lowered in pieces by&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marko Raos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452545</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko Raos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The point?</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452459</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see them building, you hatin&#039;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see them building, you hatin&#8217;. </p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452400</link>
		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Latest &lt;a href=&quot;http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/06/china-ghost-cities-being-filled.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reports&lt;/a&gt; on the ground say no, they&#039;re filling up fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Latest <a href="http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/06/china-ghost-cities-being-filled.html" rel="nofollow">reports</a> on the ground say no, they&#8217;re filling up fine.</p>
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		<title>By: hadlockk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452351</link>
		<dc:creator>hadlockk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building things simply for building&#039;s sake. Your 9% annual growth needs to continue or the economy will shatter and the peasants are likely to riot in the streets, which so far they&#039;ve largely succeeded in doing since Tienanmen Square 20 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building things simply for building&#8217;s sake. Your 9% annual growth needs to continue or the economy will shatter and the peasants are likely to riot in the streets, which so far they&#8217;ve largely succeeded in doing since Tienanmen Square 20 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: hadlockk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452350</link>
		<dc:creator>hadlockk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, there&#039;s a property bubble, but the Burj is built in the middle of a very low population density area, in the middle of the desert, with only one export - petroleum. Mainland China is a completely different market. As agriculture improves and modernizes, more and more of their 2 billion citizens will move to the city, and suburban style housing for that kind of population isn&#039;t at all sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, there&#8217;s a property bubble, but the Burj is built in the middle of a very low population density area, in the middle of the desert, with only one export &#8211; petroleum. Mainland China is a completely different market. As agriculture improves and modernizes, more and more of their 2 billion citizens will move to the city, and suburban style housing for that kind of population isn&#8217;t at all sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: hadlockk</title>
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		<dc:creator>hadlockk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The superstructure was built at an incredible rate, but it took them almost 25 more years to finish the inside of the building. Something about offices not needing more space in the middle of a massive recession. The Empire State Building has also gone through at least two major overhauls, not to mention whenever a large tenant moves in to an entire floor. The video provided shows the workers even making the beds, so he brings up a valid point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The superstructure was built at an incredible rate, but it took them almost 25 more years to finish the inside of the building. Something about offices not needing more space in the middle of a massive recession. The Empire State Building has also gone through at least two major overhauls, not to mention whenever a large tenant moves in to an entire floor. The video provided shows the workers even making the beds, so he brings up a valid point.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody belittles the US space program benher. We are just pointing out that it was run by a German nazi who previously had slaves build the V rockets that hit London at the end of WWII. But hey winner&#039;s justice is an awesome concept ... for winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody belittles the US space program benher. We are just pointing out that it was run by a German nazi who previously had slaves build the V rockets that hit London at the end of WWII. But hey winner&#8217;s justice is an awesome concept &#8230; for winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me as a German the rule is more simple: 

All products that are NOT from Germany are potentially dangerous, health hazards and of low quality.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me as a German the rule is more simple: </p>
<p>All products that are NOT from Germany are potentially dangerous, health hazards and of low quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452078</link>
		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14/15ths factory-built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14/15ths factory-built.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yeah,  good point, it is the 21st c. now, and the latter half of the last century had lousy construction. 

If I had to pick a century for good architectural design and workmanship, it would be 1820-1920, but up to 1940 was mostly good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yeah,  good point, it is the 21st c. now, and the latter half of the last century had lousy construction. </p>
<p>If I had to pick a century for good architectural design and workmanship, it would be 1820-1920, but up to 1940 was mostly good.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452070</link>
		<dc:creator>Ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I have been watching the Broad Group&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/06/tallest-building-in-world-sky-city-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;progress over the past year&lt;/a&gt; at nextbigfuture.com (excellent science and technology site). Broad is like the SpaceX of skyscrapers. The engineering and project management is astounding. This isn&#039;t just thrown up slapdash, it&#039;s an integrated, optimized machine with remarkable subsystems, built in an enormous factory and assembled on-site. The speed of construction is a result of their meticulous design of every part and process, not some stunt or arbitrarily imposed timetable. Energy, material and labor efficiency in producing a durable, safe building with high environmental quality are the primary goals, and this leads to an inexpensive, quickly-constructed building.

Broad is also a leader in high-efficiency air conditioning. Their previous proposal for a 666m building (the new construction will be 838m) used their existing AC equipment to filter outside air to 20- 100x cleaner than outside air. By using air-air heat exchangers to reclaim heat, it replaces inside air with filtered outside air 5-10 times per hour at an air conditioning cost of only 205kWh per month per 660 square foot unit (61.3m^2). Total energy use for such a unit will be about 460kWh per month, counting in common spaces, elevators, lights, AC, ventilation and over 100kWh for miscellaneous appliances.

These are going to be very light units, too - 82 lbs./sq.ft. (400kg/m^2), 24.5 tonnes per 660 sq. ft. unit. The floors are steel with just 3cm of concrete. 96% of the steel scrap gets recycled at the factory. On-site construction waste is less than 1% of the mass of the building, factory waste is less than 4%. 

120 m^2 of floor and 120^m of ceiling can be transported in a single truck load, (with plumbing, electric, and HVAC pre-installed)  together with all the walls, windows, doors, columns and braces. When building hotels,  major furnishings are pre-installed.

The truss structures are optimized and scale-tested for severe earthquake resistance (level 9), with short diagonal braces of the same size as the main members welded into all corners. 

One of their six Chinese factories is 1.33M m^2 (14.7M sq.ft.) and produces 10M m^2 of skyscrapers per year (3.86 square miles). The factory does 93% of the labor, allowing faster and cheaper construction. 

The production cost is about $50/ sq. ft., the sales price is about $75/sq. ft. ($785/m^2). A 660 sq. ft. unit would cost less than $50,000. (1/6 to 1/3 typical Shanghai prices) 

The technology is available for license world-wide; Broad hopes to get about 10 joint-ventures per year over the next few years. Costs for an exclusive regional franchise are $34 million for a population of 10 million and $50 million for a population of 50 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I have been watching the Broad Group&#8217;s <a href="http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/06/tallest-building-in-world-sky-city-to.html" rel="nofollow">progress over the past year</a> at nextbigfuture.com (excellent science and technology site). Broad is like the SpaceX of skyscrapers. The engineering and project management is astounding. This isn&#8217;t just thrown up slapdash, it&#8217;s an integrated, optimized machine with remarkable subsystems, built in an enormous factory and assembled on-site. The speed of construction is a result of their meticulous design of every part and process, not some stunt or arbitrarily imposed timetable. Energy, material and labor efficiency in producing a durable, safe building with high environmental quality are the primary goals, and this leads to an inexpensive, quickly-constructed building.</p>
<p>Broad is also a leader in high-efficiency air conditioning. Their previous proposal for a 666m building (the new construction will be 838m) used their existing AC equipment to filter outside air to 20- 100x cleaner than outside air. By using air-air heat exchangers to reclaim heat, it replaces inside air with filtered outside air 5-10 times per hour at an air conditioning cost of only 205kWh per month per 660 square foot unit (61.3m^2). Total energy use for such a unit will be about 460kWh per month, counting in common spaces, elevators, lights, AC, ventilation and over 100kWh for miscellaneous appliances.</p>
<p>These are going to be very light units, too &#8211; 82 lbs./sq.ft. (400kg/m^2), 24.5 tonnes per 660 sq. ft. unit. The floors are steel with just 3cm of concrete. 96% of the steel scrap gets recycled at the factory. On-site construction waste is less than 1% of the mass of the building, factory waste is less than 4%. </p>
<p>120 m^2 of floor and 120^m of ceiling can be transported in a single truck load, (with plumbing, electric, and HVAC pre-installed)  together with all the walls, windows, doors, columns and braces. When building hotels,  major furnishings are pre-installed.</p>
<p>The truss structures are optimized and scale-tested for severe earthquake resistance (level 9), with short diagonal braces of the same size as the main members welded into all corners. </p>
<p>One of their six Chinese factories is 1.33M m^2 (14.7M sq.ft.) and produces 10M m^2 of skyscrapers per year (3.86 square miles). The factory does 93% of the labor, allowing faster and cheaper construction. </p>
<p>The production cost is about $50/ sq. ft., the sales price is about $75/sq. ft. ($785/m^2). A 660 sq. ft. unit would cost less than $50,000. (1/6 to 1/3 typical Shanghai prices) </p>
<p>The technology is available for license world-wide; Broad hopes to get about 10 joint-ventures per year over the next few years. Costs for an exclusive regional franchise are $34 million for a population of 10 million and $50 million for a population of 50 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, that is half true.  There are diminishing returns though.  Something as simple as pumping water becomes a real challenge as you get higher.  You also start expending more energy in moving people.  Maintenance costs, go up... it is not all bigger is better.  I would be willing to bet that a city where every building is 50 stories high is probably more efficient than one where every building is 100 stories high.

One neat statistic that I always like was, if you can accept a population density equal to Manhattan, you can squeeze all 7 billion of us humans into a square 350 miles by 350 miles (or 550x550 km).  That would be such an epic city, and you would have the rest of the world freed up for reserves and food production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, that is half true.  There are diminishing returns though.  Something as simple as pumping water becomes a real challenge as you get higher.  You also start expending more energy in moving people.  Maintenance costs, go up&#8230; it is not all bigger is better.  I would be willing to bet that a city where every building is 50 stories high is probably more efficient than one where every building is 100 stories high.</p>
<p>One neat statistic that I always like was, if you can accept a population density equal to Manhattan, you can squeeze all 7 billion of us humans into a square 350 miles by 350 miles (or 550&#215;550 km).  That would be such an epic city, and you would have the rest of the world freed up for reserves and food production.</p>
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		<title>By: Lennoxx Bllaze Wesst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lennoxx Bllaze Wesst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It certainly has. Perhaps this one will too. A great fin de siecle hubris project that will grow as a beacon of the new ... er ... siecle.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It certainly has. Perhaps this one will too. A great fin de siecle hubris project that will grow as a beacon of the new &#8230; er &#8230; siecle.    </p>
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		<title>By: Charlie B</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452031</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s not so much the actual construction that concerns me, it&#039;s the fact that they are planning to complete it in record time for far cheaper than any other comparable structure.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yeah, we should have never built the Empire State Building, either.  Four and a half stories of riveted ironwork a  week?  Far too risky!  Better to sink into an idle stupor on the couch.  Hey, &lt;i&gt;Beastmaster&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s not so much the actual construction that concerns me, it&#8217;s the fact that they are planning to complete it in record time for far cheaper than any other comparable structure.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, we should have never built the Empire State Building, either.  Four and a half stories of riveted ironwork a  week?  Far too risky!  Better to sink into an idle stupor on the couch.  Hey, <i>Beastmaster</i>&#8216;s on!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie B</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1452025</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I don&#039;t think you need to single out China or the USA.  It&#039;s a global thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I don&#8217;t think you need to single out China or the USA.  It&#8217;s a global thing.</p>
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		<title>By: digi_owl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1451936</link>
		<dc:creator>digi_owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@boingboing-1ed82386dca88c2856a8f0ee075b34c6:disqus And i am sure that while the Chinese bought the proverbial starter kit from Russia, they have adapted and built upon it for local conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@boingboing-1ed82386dca88c2856a8f0ee075b34c6:disqus And i am sure that while the Chinese bought the proverbial starter kit from Russia, they have adapted and built upon it for local conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Lucchetti</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1451880</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Lucchetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China&#039;s contributions to our modern civilization are often overlooked due to our western biased understanding of history. From movable type and the wheelbarrow to metallurgy, ceramic engineering and seismology, there is hardly a basic function of modern technology that doesn&#039;t trace its origins to China&#039;s 5 thousand year history of advancements. Creating an efficient way to make vertical structures is needed for modern cities, particularly if we hope to see cities stop sprawling and would like to see vertical farms come to areas of high density urban populations so that the production and delivery of fresh fruits and vegetable (and even some protein producing animals from aquaculture and perhaps other domesticated food animals) can be most efficiently conducted in proximity to their consumers. Consider that in order to conserve wild lands and habitat we need to see many more of  those who are currently living in rural areas and who are in some ways largely responsible for the human impacts on what remains of wild lands, move to more urban settings where the benefits of modernity are available to be effectively available to them while making energy efficiency and recycling more effective as well, these fast growing cities, such as the world&#039;s largest city, which is incidentally China&#039;s old provincial capital of Chung King at over 38 million, will be expanding rapidly in the not too distant future, and going vertical in an efficient and modern manner will become the way of the future. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China&#8217;s contributions to our modern civilization are often overlooked due to our western biased understanding of history. From movable type and the wheelbarrow to metallurgy, ceramic engineering and seismology, there is hardly a basic function of modern technology that doesn&#8217;t trace its origins to China&#8217;s 5 thousand year history of advancements. Creating an efficient way to make vertical structures is needed for modern cities, particularly if we hope to see cities stop sprawling and would like to see vertical farms come to areas of high density urban populations so that the production and delivery of fresh fruits and vegetable (and even some protein producing animals from aquaculture and perhaps other domesticated food animals) can be most efficiently conducted in proximity to their consumers. Consider that in order to conserve wild lands and habitat we need to see many more of  those who are currently living in rural areas and who are in some ways largely responsible for the human impacts on what remains of wild lands, move to more urban settings where the benefits of modernity are available to be effectively available to them while making energy efficiency and recycling more effective as well, these fast growing cities, such as the world&#8217;s largest city, which is incidentally China&#8217;s old provincial capital of Chung King at over 38 million, will be expanding rapidly in the not too distant future, and going vertical in an efficient and modern manner will become the way of the future. </p>
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		<title>By: malindrome</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1451830</link>
		<dc:creator>malindrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m totally in agreement about building up instead of out.  Density is good, for all the reasons you mention and more.  But there is such a thing as an economically rational height to buildings, where the costs of stabilizing them and buttressing them against wind shear outpaces any benefits.  By the time you get anywhere near record-setting heights, the project is motivated by ego, not dollars and cents.  There&#039;s even &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper_Index&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a theory&lt;/a&gt; that says that skyscraper record-busting is a sure sign of a property bubble.  That&#039;s likely what&#039;s going on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/11/skyscrapers-china-india-recession&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in China&lt;/a&gt; right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m totally in agreement about building up instead of out.  Density is good, for all the reasons you mention and more.  But there is such a thing as an economically rational height to buildings, where the costs of stabilizing them and buttressing them against wind shear outpaces any benefits.  By the time you get anywhere near record-setting heights, the project is motivated by ego, not dollars and cents.  There&#8217;s even <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper_Index" rel="nofollow">a theory</a> that says that skyscraper record-busting is a sure sign of a property bubble.  That&#8217;s likely what&#8217;s going on <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/11/skyscrapers-china-india-recession" rel="nofollow">in China</a> right now.</p>
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		<title>By: OgilvyTheAstronomer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1451825</link>
		<dc:creator>OgilvyTheAstronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Empire State Building has worked out pretty well, long-term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Empire State Building has worked out pretty well, long-term.</p>
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		<title>By: purple-stater</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1451824</link>
		<dc:creator>purple-stater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Because a skyscraper saves arable land over conventional housing.  It&#039;s also uses much fewer resources to build, maintain, heat, cool, light, etc., than a similar amount of conventional housing.  Not to mention policing the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Because a skyscraper saves arable land over conventional housing.  It&#8217;s also uses much fewer resources to build, maintain, heat, cool, light, etc., than a similar amount of conventional housing.  Not to mention policing the area.</p>
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		<title>By: OgilvyTheAstronomer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1451823</link>
		<dc:creator>OgilvyTheAstronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because kilometre-tall buildings are awesome, and if &quot;saving resources&quot; was the be-all and end-all of life on Earth, we should simply start a self-extinction campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because kilometre-tall buildings are awesome, and if &#8220;saving resources&#8221; was the be-all and end-all of life on Earth, we should simply start a self-extinction campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: koanhead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/16/worlds-tallest-building-will-b.html#comment-1451818</link>
		<dc:creator>koanhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I&#039;m hoping for buildings 71 megameters tall in my lifetime, so that I can take an elevator to geosynchronous orbit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;m hoping for buildings 71 megameters tall in my lifetime, so that I can take an elevator to geosynchronous orbit.</p>
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