Comments on: Fascinators banned from Royal Ascot http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 18 May 2013 22:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1453861 Antinous / Moderator Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:11:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1453861 Of the many fashion crimes at Royal Ascot, immodesty seems fairly minor. Of the many fashion crimes at Royal Ascot, immodesty seems fairly minor.

]]> By: chgoliz http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1453850 chgoliz Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1453850 I am gobsmacked. (Thanks) I am gobsmacked.

(Thanks)

]]> By: NelC http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1453781 NelC Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1453781  Around here it was actually dry and warm for the past couple of days. Last week was quite surprisingly cool, though. And very wet.  Around here it was actually dry and warm for the past couple of days. Last week was quite surprisingly cool, though. And very wet.

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1453160 Wreckrob8 Tue, 19 Jun 2012 06:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1453160 I imagine that if I ever started pronouncing waistcoat as weskit I would soon find myself without friends. You never know where it might lead. Luckily it is not a word I need much. There are people who do still use that pronunciation, though. I imagine that if I ever started pronouncing waistcoat as weskit I would soon find myself without friends. You never know where it might lead. Luckily it is not a word I need much.
There are people who do still use that pronunciation, though.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1453111 Antinous / Moderator Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1453111 Modesty is the reason that they're doling out pashminas. Modesty is the reason that they’re doling out pashminas.

]]> By: chgoliz http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1453073 chgoliz Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1453073 I know what they are, which is why I couldn't imagine why they'd be needed in the middle of a summer's day.  nelc has put me right. Or are you saying that bare shoulders must be covered for modesty's sake, not the weather's? I know what they are, which is why I couldn’t imagine why they’d be needed in the middle of a summer’s day.  nelc has put me right.

Or are you saying that bare shoulders must be covered for modesty’s sake, not the weather’s?

]]> By: chgoliz http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1453072 chgoliz Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1453072 Ahhh....thank you!  That makes sense, then. (Used to live there, but I guess I've mentally blocked out all memory of the weather. Probably a good thing.) Ahhh….thank you!  That makes sense, then.

(Used to live there, but I guess I’ve mentally blocked out all memory of the weather. Probably a good thing.)

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452924 Antinous / Moderator Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452924 I can't imagine that the word comes up in conversation that often. Except among people who pronounce house as 'hice'. I can’t imagine that the word comes up in conversation that often. Except among people who pronounce house as ‘hice’.

]]> By: Nathan Hornby http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452903 Nathan Hornby Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:26:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452903 You shit me not. What's that all about? You shit me not. What’s that all about?

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452880 Antinous / Moderator Mon, 18 Jun 2012 22:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452880 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/waistcoat http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/waistcoat http://www.thefreedictionary.com/waistcoat I can't find a dictionary of Geordie English to check. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/waistcoat
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/waistcoat
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/waistcoat

I can’t find a dictionary of Geordie English to check.

]]> By: Nathan Hornby http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452698 Nathan Hornby Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452698 The dictionary of imaginary pronunciations? The dictionary of imaginary pronunciations?

]]> By: phuzz http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452337 phuzz Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:52:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452337  In Bristolian (or any of the similar West country accents), it could  be pronounced waast-coat.  Normally pronounced to rhyme with waste though.  In Bristolian (or any of the similar West country accents), it could  be pronounced waast-coat.  Normally pronounced to rhyme with waste though.

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452237 Wreckrob8 Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452237 Possibly the distinction between etiquette and manners has always existed and their function is to maintain equality and classlessness. The catch 22 is that in honouring or dishonouring them they allow for the development of the law, criminality and distinctions of wealth. Their proper function becomes inverted to maintain class and wealth distinctions. Somehow that irks me. I am sure that there is a class of people whose chances of being victims of crime is so remote that they can dismiss all criminality in terms of ill-breeding, breaches of etiquette and a lack of manners, distancing themselves from their 'criminal' pasts and the majority of the population. Possibly the distinction between etiquette and manners has always existed and their function is to maintain equality and classlessness. The catch 22 is that in honouring or dishonouring them they allow for the development of the law, criminality and distinctions of wealth. Their proper function becomes inverted to maintain class and wealth distinctions. Somehow that irks me.
I am sure that there is a class of people whose chances of being victims of crime is so remote that they can dismiss all criminality in terms of ill-breeding, breaches of etiquette and a lack of manners, distancing themselves from their ‘criminal’ pasts and the majority of the population.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452221 Antinous / Moderator Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452221 "Weskit" is the first pronunciation given in the dictionary. “Weskit” is the first pronunciation given in the dictionary.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452217 Antinous / Moderator Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:28:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452217 <blockquote>This is a deeply class ridden and exclusive game which is unknown to the proles or trailer trash.</blockquote>Trailer parks have their own rigid rules of etiquette. I'm pretty sure that you'd be in far greater danger wandering into a trailer park in morning dress than into Ascot in a tee shirt and Beaver Patrol hat.

This is a deeply class ridden and exclusive game which is unknown to the proles or trailer trash.

Trailer parks have their own rigid rules of etiquette. I’m pretty sure that you’d be in far greater danger wandering into a trailer park in morning dress than into Ascot in a tee shirt and Beaver Patrol hat.

]]> By: Phil Worthington http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452209 Phil Worthington Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452209 I've never heard anyone refer to it in that way - where I come from it's pronounced - 'waist-coat', or sloppily 'wais-coat'. I’ve never heard anyone refer to it in that way – where I come from it’s pronounced – ‘waist-coat’, or sloppily ‘wais-coat’.

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452199 Wreckrob8 Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452199 But that is the catch 22. It may be a breach of etiquette to issue rules of etiquette but good manners says you let it pass. You must be happily subservient while basking in the sunshine of the Royal presence. But that is the catch 22. It may be a breach of etiquette to issue rules of etiquette but good manners says you let it pass. You must be happily subservient while basking in the sunshine of the Royal presence.

]]> By: retepslluerb http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452179 retepslluerb Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452179 Granted, the “let it pass” is probably more common in upper classes,  but as you can see, they are not above in spelling out the rules quite explicitly when standards slip.  Also, in this case (and many others) “letting it slip” doesn't mean that the people are being let it. Instead, they get offered - politely - the means to correct their faux pax w/out making a scene out of it. Not very different from restaurants and clubs offering jackets and ties. Granted, the “let it pass” is probably more common in upper classes,  but as you can see, they are not above in spelling out the rules quite explicitly when standards slip. 

Also, in this case (and many others) “letting it slip” doesn’t mean that the people are being let it. Instead, they get offered – politely – the means to correct their faux pax w/out making a scene out of it.

Not very different from restaurants and clubs offering jackets and ties.

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452177 Wreckrob8 Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452177 Not wealth but class. It is a game of etiquette and manners. Etiquette says that conformity to rules makes everyone at ease because no one feels out of place, and those rules, despite being merely conventional, should conform to what makes your host (one person - in this case the Queen) feel at ease. Manners says that if someone commits a faux pas in etiquette then it should be allowed to pass to keep everyone at ease. This is a deeply class ridden and exclusive game which is unknown to the proles or trailer trash. Personally I think the best type of people go to those places without dress codes or the sexual apartheid of clubland. It is a class thing. Not wealth but class. It is a game of etiquette and manners. Etiquette says that conformity to rules makes everyone at ease because no one feels out of place, and those rules, despite being merely conventional, should conform to what makes your host (one person – in this case the Queen) feel at ease. Manners says that if someone commits a faux pas in etiquette then it should be allowed to pass to keep everyone at ease. This is a deeply class ridden and exclusive game which is unknown to the proles or trailer trash. Personally I think the best type of people go to those places without dress codes or the sexual apartheid of clubland. It is a class thing.

]]> By: Michael Smith http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452176 Michael Smith Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452176 Some of those hats are clearly designed to keep the rain off yourself and your closest friends. Some of those hats are clearly designed to keep the rain off yourself and your closest friends.

]]> By: retepslluerb http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452171 retepslluerb Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452171 Has nothing to do with wealth but everything with social peer groups.    So called “white trash” or “Prolls” can be equally hostile towards people not conforming to dress rules and others. Has nothing to do with wealth but everything with social peer groups.    So called “white trash” or “Prolls” can be equally hostile towards people not conforming to dress rules and others.

]]> By: Wreckrob8 http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452166 Wreckrob8 Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452166 There is a set of sartorially concerned individuals some members of which are part of the set of racegoers and Royal enclosure invitees for whom weskit would indeed still be considered correct. This is not restricted to RP speakers - other forms of English can be acceptable. There is a set of sartorially concerned individuals some members of which are part of the set of racegoers and Royal enclosure invitees for whom weskit would indeed still be considered correct. This is not restricted to RP speakers – other forms of English can be acceptable.

]]> By: Anna O'Connell http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452127 Anna O'Connell Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452127  Pashmina is a fancy term for lightweight woolen shawls, needed to cover bare shoulders or sleeveless arms while within the Royal Enclosure, my dear chgoliz.  Pashmina is a fancy term for lightweight woolen shawls, needed to cover bare shoulders or sleeveless arms while within the Royal Enclosure, my dear chgoliz.

]]> By: Ladyfingers http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452122 Ladyfingers Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452122 I don't think "morbid fascinators" would sell as well. I don’t think “morbid fascinators” would sell as well.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452117 Antinous / Moderator Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452117 Funny that you should ask that. I have been unable to fully parse that very part of the new rules, which says that men in the royal enclosure must wear a tie rather than a cravat. I imagine that someone in the UK could clear this up. But I'm pretty sure that the insistence on ties means no ascots. Funny that you should ask that. I have been unable to fully parse that very part of the new rules, which says that men in the royal enclosure must wear a tie rather than a cravat. I imagine that someone in the UK could clear this up. But I’m pretty sure that the insistence on ties means no ascots.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452116 Antinous / Moderator Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452116 You're honestly saying that you don't stare at those things, thinking, "WTF is that on her head?" That sounds like fascination to me. You’re honestly saying that you don’t stare at those things, thinking, “WTF is that on her head?” That sounds like fascination to me.

]]> By: cegev http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452113 cegev Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452113 It's worth noting that the fascinator ban and the generally strict dress code is for the royal enclosure, not Ascot in general. The royal enclosure is rather a private club of sorts, with applications, sponsorships, and the whole thing, and is significantly stricter as far as dress. Fascinators aren't really appropriate daywear to begin with. Ascot is not a ball. It’s worth noting that the fascinator ban and the generally strict dress code is for the royal enclosure, not Ascot in general. The royal enclosure is rather a private club of sorts, with applications, sponsorships, and the whole thing, and is significantly stricter as far as dress.

Fascinators aren’t really appropriate daywear to begin with. Ascot is not a ball.

]]> By: Marc Mielke http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452100 Marc Mielke Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452100 I would much prefer we adopt the lovely stargate-on-the-head thingy than export baseball caps.  I would much prefer we adopt the lovely stargate-on-the-head thingy than export baseball caps. 

]]> By: Marc Mielke http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452099 Marc Mielke Mon, 18 Jun 2012 01:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452099 I assume Ascot allows patrons to wear Ascots, because banning them would be far too hilarious.  I assume Ascot allows patrons to wear Ascots, because banning them would be far too hilarious. 

]]> By: Ladyfingers http://boingboing.net/2012/06/17/fascinators-banned-from-royal.html#comment-1452089 Ladyfingers Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166633#comment-1452089  Well, they don't.  Well, they don’t.

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