Comments on: Ninth Circuit to DEA: putting a gun to an 11-year-old's head is not OK http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: SomeGuyNamedMark http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1456608 SomeGuyNamedMark Sat, 23 Jun 2012 02:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1456608  HAHAHAHA!  Oh, that was a good one.  HAHAHAHA!  Oh, that was a good one.

]]> By: Red Pill Junkie http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1456396 Red Pill Junkie Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:12:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1456396 They ransacked the place, realized their mistake, and left. Did they stay to clean the mess they made? They ransacked the place, realized their mistake, and left.

Did they stay to clean the mess they made?

]]> By: Nathan Oliver http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1455204 Nathan Oliver Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1455204 And the cycle continues? And the cycle continues?

]]> By: apenzott http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453952 apenzott Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453952 It has been done. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/plotsummary The Professional (1994) It has been done.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/plotsummary
The Professional (1994)

]]> By: Betsumei http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453679 Betsumei Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453679 I disagree; if anything, public safety would increase. I disagree; if anything, public safety would increase.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453655 Antinous / Moderator Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453655 I thought that we passed it during Prohibition. I thought that we passed it during Prohibition.

]]> By: GregS http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453561 GregS Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453561 No doubt the DEA will <strike>appeal</strike> ignore the ruling. There, I fixed it for you. No doubt the DEA will appeal ignore the ruling.
There, I fixed it for you.

]]> By: Ito Kagehisa http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453454 Ito Kagehisa Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453454 My annoying, objectionable children and I are laughing at you, right now, even as you read this.     (^o^)/ My annoying, objectionable children and I are laughing at you, right now, even as you read this.     (^o^)/

]]> By: SamSam http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453433 SamSam Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453433 I'm assuming that the family is Latino, and this disgusting behavior is the result of the cops not even recognizing the kids as kids. Do you think this would have happened if the 11-year-old girl were a beautiful little blond girl? No, because the DEA cops would have seen her and thought "innocent child" and not stuck a freeking gun to her head. But a Latino girl just shouts "drug-smuggling immigrant" to these pigs. I’m assuming that the family is Latino, and this disgusting behavior is the result of the cops not even recognizing the kids as kids.

Do you think this would have happened if the 11-year-old girl were a beautiful little blond girl? No, because the DEA cops would have seen her and thought “innocent child” and not stuck a freeking gun to her head. But a Latino girl just shouts “drug-smuggling immigrant” to these pigs.

]]> By: Ellen Seebacher http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453356 Ellen Seebacher Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453356 An infant?  Dear God. An infant?  Dear God.

]]> By: Thorzdad http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453326 Thorzdad Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:45:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453326  The use of screaming and profanity is intentional. It's part of controlling the situation and intimidating the victims. It's all part of the training. In the military's eyes (and make no mistake..Police forces now train for urban assault alongside the military) even an 11-year-old is a potential enemy.  The use of screaming and profanity is intentional. It’s part of controlling the situation and intimidating the victims. It’s all part of the training. In the military’s eyes (and make no mistake..Police forces now train for urban assault alongside the military) even an 11-year-old is a potential enemy.

]]> By: Artor http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453290 Artor Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453290 "Anyway I am wondering at what point is the "solution" worse than the actual problem?" We passed that point sometime in the 80's when the CIA helped create the heavily-armed gangs in LA. “Anyway I am wondering at what point is the “solution” worse than the actual problem?”
We passed that point sometime in the 80′s when the CIA helped create the heavily-armed gangs in LA.

]]> By: Artor http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453288 Artor Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453288 I'm sorry to say that no, you can't properly express your anger in this forum. If you did, you could probably expect a visit from some large, unpleasant men in bad suits. I’m sorry to say that no, you can’t properly express your anger in this forum. If you did, you could probably expect a visit from some large, unpleasant men in bad suits.

]]> By: SomeGuyNamedMark http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453285 SomeGuyNamedMark Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453285 Live by the sword, die by it.  I'm not surprised that with the rise of hyperviolent police tactics like that that more cops are being killed in ambushes (shot through doors without warning, etc).  People probably figure they have nothing to lose now. Live by the sword, die by it.  I’m not surprised that with the rise of hyperviolent police tactics like that that more cops are being killed in ambushes (shot through doors without warning, etc).  People probably figure they have nothing to lose now.

]]> By: Donaleen Kohn http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453282 Donaleen Kohn Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453282 I think we should cancel July 4th.  What is there to celebrate? I think we should cancel July 4th.  What is there to celebrate?

]]> By: elix http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453263 elix Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453263 Robert Pickton's pig farm probably hasn't seen much traffic lately after forensics left it alone. Nobody would suspect that place being used a SECOND time. Robert Pickton’s pig farm probably hasn’t seen much traffic lately after forensics left it alone. Nobody would suspect that place being used a SECOND time.

]]> By: monkeyknifefight135 http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453262 monkeyknifefight135 Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453262 Hello. I am a Canadian. The "majority" Harper Government (Not my F***ing government) today passed their omnibus "budget" bill, Bill C-38. It will be law of the land by the end of the week. In it are provisions for DEA and FBI agents to operate on Canadian soil. I can't properly express my anger in this forum. Hello. I am a Canadian. The “majority” Harper Government (Not my F***ing government) today passed their omnibus “budget” bill, Bill C-38. It will be law of the land by the end of the week. In it are provisions for DEA and FBI agents to operate on Canadian soil. I can’t properly express my anger in this forum.

]]> By: Matt Popke http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453255 Matt Popke Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453255 The moment one American started doing drugs. We're all enemies of the state now. (Or is it the other way around?) The moment one American started doing drugs. We’re all enemies of the state now. (Or is it the other way around?)

]]> By: donovan acree http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453251 donovan acree Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:37:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453251  Exactly, under no circumstances should anyone be treated in this manner. Citizens are innocent until proven guilty. If this was the correct address, then it still would have been criminal to treat people this way - no matter the age. What really gets me, what really grinds my grits... is that they defended their actions as justified.  Exactly, under no circumstances should anyone be treated in this manner. Citizens are innocent until proven guilty. If this was the correct address, then it still would have been criminal to treat people this way – no matter the age.
What really gets me, what really grinds my grits… is that they defended their actions as justified.

]]> By: donovan acree http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453244 donovan acree Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453244 Reading the decision, I came away with one thing. It's OK for the DEA to bust in to the wrong house, force people down on the floor, and point guns at their heads as long as those people are adults. Wait... What? Yup, the problem seems to be that these were harmless children - nevermind that the DEA invaded a persons home without cause or valid warrant, made threats on the occupants lives, assaulted the occupants, and then defended their actions as acceptable. Reading the decision, I came away with one thing. It’s OK for the DEA to bust in to the wrong house, force people down on the floor, and point guns at their heads as long as those people are adults.

Wait… What?

Yup, the problem seems to be that these were harmless children – nevermind that the DEA invaded a persons home without cause or valid warrant, made threats on the occupants lives, assaulted the occupants, and then defended their actions as acceptable.

]]> By: cfuse http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453245 cfuse Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453245  And I've known some nice drug dealers. I guess the lesson is that you should really get to know a person before you threaten to blow their brains out.  And I’ve known some nice drug dealers. I guess the lesson is that you should really get to know a person before you threaten to blow their brains out.

]]> By: cfuse http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453238 cfuse Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453238  And if they'd screwed up by only a tiny fraction more and shot her, then what do you think they'd have done. There'd have been four bodies pretty quickly.  And if they’d screwed up by only a tiny fraction more and shot her, then what do you think they’d have done. There’d have been four bodies pretty quickly.

]]> By: Ryan Lenethen http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453233 Ryan Lenethen Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:12:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453233 I would question if the drugs are worse. I mean the justification really is that maybe some tweeked out meth head is going to break into your place to rob you of some material items to sell to a pawn shop to get a couple more days of meth. Which provided that no one is home or gets hurt (not always the case I know), are just stuff that usually is insured anyway. or Many due to a clerical error a military type raid of police that assault you and your children. Maybe they accidently shoot the occupents of the accidental raid, I have heard of that before also. Anyway I am wondering at what point is the "solution" worse than the actual problem? I would question if the drugs are worse.

I mean the justification really is that maybe some tweeked out meth head is going to break into your place to rob you of some material items to sell to a pawn shop to get a couple more days of meth. Which provided that no one is home or gets hurt (not always the case I know), are just stuff that usually is insured anyway.

or

Many due to a clerical error a military type raid of police that assault you and your children. Maybe they accidently shoot the occupents of the accidental raid, I have heard of that before also.

Anyway I am wondering at what point is the “solution” worse than the actual problem?

]]> By: ADavies http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453222 ADavies Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453222 At what point did the war on drugs become a war against Americans? At what point did the war on drugs become a war against Americans?

]]> By: Gilbert Wham http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453217 Gilbert Wham Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453217  No? Remember the story a while back where they did the exact same thing to the <i>Mayor</i>? And shot his dogs? http://boingboing.net/2008/08/07/swat-team-raids-mayo.html  No? Remember the story a while back where they did the exact same thing to the Mayor? And shot his dogs?
http://boingboing.net/2008/08/07/swat-team-raids-mayo.html

]]> By: scav http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453215 scav Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453215 I wonder under what circumstances they would have considered pulling the trigger? Because it seems to me that if you point a gun, you must be prepared to fire it, or at least have a reason to believe that you might have to. I just entirely don't get how ANYONE could think, even when busting an actual drug-dealer (and not, as it turned out, some innocents in completely the wrong house) that the most dangerous thing in the room is an 11-year old girl. Surely your gun should be held in readiness for an attack from the door or window of the room, under the bed, or basically anywhere more likely than the head of a terrified pre-teen being handcuffed by one of your colleagues. Fuck it, you're probably better pointing your gun at the crazy power-tripping bastard bullying the little girl. I wonder under what circumstances they would have considered pulling the trigger? Because it seems to me that if you point a gun, you must be prepared to fire it, or at least have a reason to believe that you might have to.
I just entirely don’t get how ANYONE could think, even when busting an actual drug-dealer (and not, as it turned out, some innocents in completely the wrong house) that the most dangerous thing in the room is an 11-year old girl. Surely your gun should be held in readiness for an attack from the door or window of the room, under the bed, or basically anywhere more likely than the head of a terrified pre-teen being handcuffed by one of your colleagues.
Fuck it, you’re probably better pointing your gun at the crazy power-tripping bastard bullying the little girl.

]]> By: Over the River http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453212 Over the River Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453212 I totally agree, right house or wrong house this behavior is inexcusable. I totally agree, right house or wrong house this behavior is inexcusable.

]]> By: llamaspit http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453210 llamaspit Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453210 Could be Rubbin Hood. Or Bobbin Hood. Or Blowjobbin Hood. Knobbin Hood. Help...can't stop. Could be Rubbin Hood. Or Bobbin Hood. Or Blowjobbin Hood. Knobbin Hood. Help…can’t stop.

]]> By: Nell Anvoid http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453206 Nell Anvoid Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453206 Hmmmm. Forget the courts. A very American  way to curb this behavior is to hit wallets and budgets.  The agents in question deserve a very hefty fine and/or quartering of  salary for each offense. The agency in question should get several million slashed from its budget each time.  Give all the money to the claimants. When it gets to the point that DEA and its minions can't really run the circus...then we know all we need to know about these morons and a-holes.  Time for another approach altogether. Let the ...uh..."free market"... do its work!! Hmmmm. Forget the courts. A very American  way to curb this behavior is to hit wallets and budgets.  The agents in question deserve a very hefty fine and/or quartering of  salary for each offense. The agency in question should get several million slashed from its budget each time.  Give all the money to the claimants. When it gets to the point that DEA and its minions can’t really run the circus…then we know all we need to know about these morons and a-holes.  Time for another approach altogether.

Let the …uh…”free market”… do its work!!

]]> By: BBNinja http://boingboing.net/2012/06/18/ninth-circuit-to-dea-putting.html#comment-1453177 BBNinja Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166813#comment-1453177 Thanks for protecting us from terrorists DEA! Thanks for protecting us from terrorists DEA!

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