Comments on: Drugs Without the Hot Air: the most sensible book about drugs you'll read this year http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 23 May 2013 13:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: anharmyenone http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1457271 anharmyenone Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1457271 What's the equine version of PLUR? What’s the equine version of PLUR?

]]> By: Phil Fot http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1456838 Phil Fot Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1456838  The last time I recall hearing about tainted pot was when the US had mexico spraying paraquat for them.  The last time I recall hearing about tainted pot was when the US had mexico spraying paraquat for them.

]]> By: Don Smith http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1456000 Don Smith Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:10:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1456000 Great, thank you for those links! Great, thank you for those links!

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455845 Antinous / Moderator Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455845 <blockquote>I accepted long ago that I don't have the patience or composure to become a politician.</blockquote>Finding a Home Secretary actually involves a blood circle, cremains and a grimoire made from orphan skins.

I accepted long ago that I don’t have the patience or composure to become a politician.

Finding a Home Secretary actually involves a blood circle, cremains and a grimoire made from orphan skins.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455843 Antinous / Moderator Thu, 21 Jun 2012 23:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455843 Jacqui Smith <i>and</i> Theresa May <i>starring in</i> <b>2girls1willfulignorance</b> Jacqui Smith and Theresa May
starring in
2girls1willfulignorance

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455445 Cowicide Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455445 <blockquote>chasing Jacqui Smith on a stolen horse while high on ecstasy</blockquote>[cow catches up with Jacqui Smith on horse and turns self in to her for being a drug abusing horse hustler]

chasing Jacqui Smith on a stolen horse while high on ecstasy

[cow catches up with Jacqui Smith on horse and turns self in to her for being a drug abusing horse hustler]

]]> By: benher http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455391 benher Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455391 You can do that in Grand Theft Auto?! You can do that in Grand Theft Auto?!

]]> By: Andrew Molloy http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455345 Andrew Molloy Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455345 I want to also thank @boingboing-29e193b295082ad6202c6955c474b5a4:disqus for the swift responses he gave to my emails yesterday. :-) I want to also thank @boingboing-29e193b295082ad6202c6955c474b5a4:disqus for the swift responses he gave to my emails yesterday. :-)

]]> By: niallmansfield http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455343 niallmansfield Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455343 Only reason e-books will take a while is that we've just completed the agreements with distributors.  (We didn't  delay ebook publication deliberately to boost paper sales or anything like that -- it's hard enough trying to get the content to be as good as it can be, without having to be devious as well :-)  Anyway, there are free PDFs of "Sustainable Energy" and "Sustainable Materials" on their respective websites. Only reason e-books will take a while is that we’ve just completed the agreements with distributors.  (We didn’t  delay ebook publication deliberately to boost paper sales or anything like that — it’s hard enough trying to get the content to be as good as it can be, without having to be devious as well :-)  Anyway, there are free PDFs of “Sustainable Energy” and “Sustainable Materials” on their respective websites.

]]> By: Joel Hollingsworth http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455233 Joel Hollingsworth Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455233 I have to disagree with both Nutt and Phil: Nixon's war on drugs was neither idiotic nor insane. It was careful, logical, fiendishly clever, and profoundly evil: its effect has been to leverage differential enforcement of laws according to race, into differential access to suffrage and public benefits, without any explicit legal recognition of race. Michelle Alexander makes a very good case for this: you should check out her work, if you haven't heard of it. I have to disagree with both Nutt and Phil: Nixon’s war on drugs was neither idiotic nor insane. It was careful, logical, fiendishly clever, and profoundly evil: its effect has been to leverage differential enforcement of laws according to race, into differential access to suffrage and public benefits, without any explicit legal recognition of race. Michelle Alexander makes a very good case for this: you should check out her work, if you haven’t heard of it.

]]> By: ocker3 http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455231 ocker3 Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455231  Or a vodka cruiser  Or a vodka cruiser

]]> By: ocker3 http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455230 ocker3 Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:18:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455230  For one thing, you could sue a drug vendor for producing an impure or tainted product.  For one thing, you could sue a drug vendor for producing an impure or tainted product.

]]> By: Beanolini http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455218 Beanolini Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455218 <blockquote>I've never heard of "alcopops aimed at (and advertised to) children and teenagers."  Can anyone point me to a good example of this?</blockquote>I'm not really in touch with popular culture, either, but I do know that some alcopop adverts <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/alcopop-adverts-banned-from-tv-417680.html" rel="nofollow">have been banned</a> for 'using youth culture to appeal to minors'.

I’ve never heard of “alcopops aimed at (and advertised to) children and teenagers.” 
Can anyone point me to a good example of this?

I’m not really in touch with popular culture, either, but I do know that some alcopop adverts have been banned for ‘using youth culture to appeal to minors’.

]]> By: Dave Bell http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455192 Dave Bell Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455192 Alcohol controls in the UK mostly go back to the First World War. The taxes are much older, and high taxes were enough for organised crime to develop. Smuggled tobacco and illicit distilling are still thriving. Alcohol controls in the UK mostly go back to the First World War. The taxes are much older, and high taxes were enough for organised crime to develop. Smuggled tobacco and illicit distilling are still thriving.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455169 Antinous / Moderator Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455169 And chasing Jacqui Smith on a stolen horse while high on ecstasy is the best of all. And chasing Jacqui Smith on a stolen horse while high on ecstasy is the best of all.

]]> By: teapot http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455165 teapot Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455165 I accepted long ago that I don't have the patience or composure to become a politician. e.g. I keyed a cop car at lunch because I got a ticket this morning. I accepted long ago that I don’t have the patience or composure to become a politician.

e.g. I keyed a cop car at lunch because I got a ticket this morning.

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455128 Cowicide Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455128 Yes, there's always option B. ^-^ Yes, there’s always option B. ^-^

]]> By: Cowicide http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1455127 Cowicide Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1455127 I don't know about that.  Stealing a horse hurts the person you stole it from whereas purchasing ecstasy benefits the dealer. Maybe a comparison of using stolen ecstasy and riding a stolen horse is better? I don’t know about that.  Stealing a horse hurts the person you stole it from whereas purchasing ecstasy benefits the dealer.

Maybe a comparison of using stolen ecstasy and riding a stolen horse is better?

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454992 Antinous / Moderator Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:36:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454992 You don't get to be Home Secretary by being a good listener. You don’t get to be Home Secretary by being a good listener.

]]> By: teapot http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454983 teapot Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454983 That is the point in a conversation where you begin ruthlessly insulting the person's level of intelligence to their face. That is the point in a conversation where you begin ruthlessly insulting the person’s level of intelligence to their face.

]]> By: Tetracyclic http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454891 Tetracyclic Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454891 He was talking about ecstacy use, not cocaine or heroin. You can also vapourise or eat cannabis and never or rarely smoke, as many do. I guess diabetes is a risk if you always bake triple chocolate edibles. He was talking about ecstacy use, not cocaine or heroin. You can also vapourise or eat cannabis and never or rarely smoke, as many do. I guess diabetes is a risk if you always bake triple chocolate edibles.

]]> By: Andrew Molloy http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454785 Andrew Molloy Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454785 Thanks, I'll add it to my Calibre library :) Thanks, I’ll add it to my Calibre library :)

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454757 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454757 I'll just randomly suggest Caligula, Fatty Arbuckle and Divine. I’ll just randomly suggest Caligula, Fatty Arbuckle and Divine.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454745 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454745 If we could get past this stupid war on drugs, we could have really cool things like opioid NECCO wafers. "Is the black one licorice?" "No, oxycodone!" If we could get past this stupid war on drugs, we could have really cool things like opioid NECCO wafers.
“Is the black one licorice?”
“No, oxycodone!”

]]> By: kwhitefoot http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454736 kwhitefoot Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454736 David MacKay's book Sustainable  Energy without the hot air is available as a mobi file.  I sent a mobi version to David MacKay converted from epub to mobi using Kovid Goyal's brilliant Calibre; it should be usable on a Kindle.  You can get it from http://www.withouthotair.com/Electronic.html.  The others might be tougher, as far as I know sustainable materials is only available as pdf; but remember, Calibre can convert that too. I read the mobi version of Sustainable Energy on my Nokia N73 using MobiPocket from http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp?Language=EN David MacKay’s book Sustainable  Energy without the hot air is available as a mobi file.  I sent a mobi version to David MacKay converted from epub to mobi using Kovid Goyal’s brilliant Calibre; it should be usable on a Kindle.  You can get it from http://www.withouthotair.com/Electronic.html.  The others might be tougher, as far as I know sustainable materials is only available as pdf; but remember, Calibre can convert that too. I read the mobi version of Sustainable Energy on my Nokia N73 using MobiPocket from http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp?Language=EN

]]> By: Bob N Johnson http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454729 Bob N Johnson Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454729 No, the worst form of control is the control of information and ideas, which is the real point of this book and is practiced everywhere. This is most insidious because when done well everyone except the censored lives with the illusion of freedom. Those in control just keep repeating the lie and censoring dissent until only believers dominate and take over the dissemination of the lie. Those who dissent publicly are eventually seen as discontents or delusional conspiracy nuts, and dismissed out of hand. Their treatment serving to instill fear and silence the few who may question the cognitive dissonance inherent in these lies. Take religion for example, religion is bar none the best at this control and suppression. Manufacturing and maintaining consent for the drug war and fear of illicit drugs and contempt for those who use illicit drugs is no different. Even otherwise reasonable people balk at the legalization of all drugs, though there really is no other solution. No, the worst form of control is the control of information and ideas, which is the real point of this book and is practiced everywhere. This is most insidious because when done well everyone except the censored lives with the illusion of freedom. Those in control just keep repeating the lie and censoring dissent until only believers dominate and take over the dissemination of the lie. Those who dissent publicly are eventually seen as discontents or delusional conspiracy nuts, and dismissed out of hand. Their treatment serving to instill fear and silence the few who may question the cognitive dissonance inherent in these lies.

Take religion for example, religion is bar none the best at this control and suppression. Manufacturing and maintaining consent for the drug war and fear of illicit drugs and contempt for those who use illicit drugs is no different.

Even otherwise reasonable people balk at the legalization of all drugs, though there really is no other solution.

]]> By: Origami_Isopod http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454705 Origami_Isopod Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454705 Which celebrity would the head of the dispenser be modeled on? The unsavory possibilities are endless. Which celebrity would the head of the dispenser be modeled on? The unsavory possibilities are endless.

]]> By: Bob N Johnson http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454700 Bob N Johnson Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454700  Just started reading, seems promising, thanks for shamelessly promoting your book.  Just started reading, seems promising, thanks for shamelessly promoting your book.

]]> By: HG Schlüter http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454691 HG Schlüter Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454691 There was a lot advertising (a lot of new products) here in germany from 2000 until 2004, then we got a tax on these called "alkopops". But the products are still around. http://suite101.de/article/geschichte-vom-verschwinden-der-alkopops-a67230 There was a lot advertising (a lot of new products) here in germany from 2000 until 2004, then we got a tax on these called “alkopops”. But the products are still around.
http://suite101.de/article/geschichte-vom-verschwinden-der-alkopops-a67230

]]> By: Navin_Johnson http://boingboing.net/2012/06/20/drugs-without-the-hot-air.html#comment-1454673 Navin_Johnson Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=166989#comment-1454673  Like "Flintstones" for grown ups.  Like “Flintstones” for grown ups.

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