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	<title>Comments on: Fantasizing about what you could buy instead of health&#160;insurance</title>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1465182</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 02:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He pays in insurance roughly what I make in a month. Is there any wonder people like me don&#039;t have insurance? The provisions in the ACA can&#039;t kick in soon enough as far as I&#039;m concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He pays in insurance roughly what I make in a month. Is there any wonder people like me don&#8217;t have insurance? The provisions in the ACA can&#8217;t kick in soon enough as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: R_Young</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1464305</link>
		<dc:creator>R_Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your understanding and sharing of the system, but doesn&#039;t this point to a huge flaw if we, as fairly educated informational consumers, still have difficulty understanding the consumers?  How much of this country has simply a high-school diploma, or even less?  How can the system be at all functional when it requires a complex understanding of the government/private-insurance pay structures to be able to afford not dying?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your understanding and sharing of the system, but doesn&#8217;t this point to a huge flaw if we, as fairly educated informational consumers, still have difficulty understanding the consumers?  How much of this country has simply a high-school diploma, or even less?  How can the system be at all functional when it requires a complex understanding of the government/private-insurance pay structures to be able to afford not dying?</p>
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		<title>By: Palomino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1464258</link>
		<dc:creator>Palomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 04:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Order pay-per-view one after the other, you should hit your target before the end of the month. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Order pay-per-view one after the other, you should hit your target before the end of the month. </p>
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		<title>By: Palomino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1464255</link>
		<dc:creator>Palomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to consider is  where and how your emergency services are covered. Depending on the circumstances, how you were transported (ambulance usually means E.R.) and how you are admitted. If you are admitted into one hospital and transferred to another via ambulance, you should be covered. But not always. 

There&#039;s different people wearing different hats inside one building. Most people get screwed with hospital lab and diagnostic imaging. Think hospital gift shop, it doesn&#039;t accept your insurance, so their lab and imaging &quot;departments&quot; might not either.

Rural coverage sucks. I worked in claims,  helicopter transport claims were the worst. The biggest part was figuring out IF the chopper could have met up with a surface ambulance. Another was overshooting one hospital and continuing on to a much farther one, say a first class burn unit or even if the first one simply didn&#039;t have a bed or accept the patient&#039;s insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to consider is  where and how your emergency services are covered. Depending on the circumstances, how you were transported (ambulance usually means E.R.) and how you are admitted. If you are admitted into one hospital and transferred to another via ambulance, you should be covered. But not always. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s different people wearing different hats inside one building. Most people get screwed with hospital lab and diagnostic imaging. Think hospital gift shop, it doesn&#8217;t accept your insurance, so their lab and imaging &#8220;departments&#8221; might not either.</p>
<p>Rural coverage sucks. I worked in claims,  helicopter transport claims were the worst. The biggest part was figuring out IF the chopper could have met up with a surface ambulance. Another was overshooting one hospital and continuing on to a much farther one, say a first class burn unit or even if the first one simply didn&#8217;t have a bed or accept the patient&#8217;s insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Palomino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1464246</link>
		<dc:creator>Palomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 04:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a large percentage of that is preventative, right? That&#039;s the key. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a large percentage of that is preventative, right? That&#8217;s the key. </p>
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		<title>By: Palomino</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1464245</link>
		<dc:creator>Palomino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Healthcare can&#039;t afford us.</description>
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		<title>By: Scott R</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1464100</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the cost of an sudden, serious illness without insurance: priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the cost of an sudden, serious illness without insurance: priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: SoItBegins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1464074</link>
		<dc:creator>SoItBegins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Actually, I get mine for $288 a year through the local university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Actually, I get mine for $288 a year through the local university.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Harden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1464024</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is paying for it now? Do you know how many American&#039;s use the emergency room as primary care because they have no coverage. Wanna know how much more it costs taxpayers to cover &quot;emergency room primary care&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is paying for it now? Do you know how many American&#8217;s use the emergency room as primary care because they have no coverage. Wanna know how much more it costs taxpayers to cover &#8220;emergency room primary care&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Dagenais</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463913</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Dagenais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dental and vision plus a plethora of other stuff is another 120/mth via private supplemental insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dental and vision plus a plethora of other stuff is another 120/mth via private supplemental insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: chgoliz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463895</link>
		<dc:creator>chgoliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, their business model does require investing.  They have to hedge against large payouts happening in a short time frame due to catastrophic events, for example.  There&#039;s a lot of money management involved.

/professional hat removed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, their business model does require investing.  They have to hedge against large payouts happening in a short time frame due to catastrophic events, for example.  There&#8217;s a lot of money management involved.</p>
<p>/professional hat removed</p>
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		<title>By: RoofusKit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463711</link>
		<dc:creator>RoofusKit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 04:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am unable to reply to the appropriate question because of thread limitations, but here is the answer nonetheless.

The credit is advance-able, meaning you can apply for it, if you qualify based on your previous year and projected income, your premium will be reduced. Most who do not already have health insurance cannot afford it and will either receive Medicaid or this subsidy.

From the website made to educate people about the new law.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/index.html

And the ACTUAL full text of the bill

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

The part referring to the federal subsidy.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act/Title_I/Subtitle_E/Part_I/Subpart_A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am unable to reply to the appropriate question because of thread limitations, but here is the answer nonetheless.</p>
<p>The credit is advance-able, meaning you can apply for it, if you qualify based on your previous year and projected income, your premium will be reduced. Most who do not already have health insurance cannot afford it and will either receive Medicaid or this subsidy.</p>
<p>From the website made to educate people about the new law.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/index.html</a></p>
<p>And the ACTUAL full text of the bill</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act</a></p>
<p>The part referring to the federal subsidy.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act/Title_I/Subtitle_E/Part_I/Subpart_A" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act/Title_I/Subtitle_E/Part_I/Subpart_A</a></p>
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		<title>By: jayson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463708</link>
		<dc:creator>jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are those subsidies paid? Is it a tax credit that you get a year later, or something that lowers the amount you have to pay up front?

For an individual who makes more than $44k / year, yet still has trouble paying a bill of about $600 a month, is there any relief? Living in any major city on a salary like that would still make it incredibly difficult to take on the cost of health insurance. 

I want to believe that costs will come down, but I can&#039;t imagine them coming down so low that anyone who can&#039;t afford it today will be able to afford it when the ACA kicks in. No matter what things look like to a legislator in D.C., hitting someone with a new expense for several hundred dollars a month is going to be hard for them to handle.

I&#039;m not &quot;Those of us who&#039;ve actually read the bill,&quot; so any education from someone who has would be most welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are those subsidies paid? Is it a tax credit that you get a year later, or something that lowers the amount you have to pay up front?</p>
<p>For an individual who makes more than $44k / year, yet still has trouble paying a bill of about $600 a month, is there any relief? Living in any major city on a salary like that would still make it incredibly difficult to take on the cost of health insurance. </p>
<p>I want to believe that costs will come down, but I can&#8217;t imagine them coming down so low that anyone who can&#8217;t afford it today will be able to afford it when the ACA kicks in. No matter what things look like to a legislator in D.C., hitting someone with a new expense for several hundred dollars a month is going to be hard for them to handle.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not &#8220;Those of us who&#8217;ve actually read the bill,&#8221; so any education from someone who has would be most welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: RoofusKit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463706</link>
		<dc:creator>RoofusKit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of us who&#039;ve actually read the bill know that it holds a provision that subsidizes health care premiums for those who earn wages even up to 400% of the poverty line. At that, the highest level, the maximum premium they will pay a year is $8,379 for a family of 4. The number is lower the closer you get to the poverty line.


Currently that 400% line is $92,200 for a family of 4. Or for an Individual $44,680. Except in Alaska and Hawaii where the poverty line is set at a higher income level.

In 2008 countrywide the median income level for a 4 person household was $67,019. I imagine it&#039;s gone down since then.

It&#039;s called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for a reason

(I may have made a rash assumption about the amount of his income, where I live independent contractors have struggled since 2008. But that does not change the fact that the law stands to lower costs for much of America.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of us who&#8217;ve actually read the bill know that it holds a provision that subsidizes health care premiums for those who earn wages even up to 400% of the poverty line. At that, the highest level, the maximum premium they will pay a year is $8,379 for a family of 4. The number is lower the closer you get to the poverty line.</p>
<p>Currently that 400% line is $92,200 for a family of 4. Or for an Individual $44,680. Except in Alaska and Hawaii where the poverty line is set at a higher income level.</p>
<p>In 2008 countrywide the median income level for a 4 person household was $67,019. I imagine it&#8217;s gone down since then.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for a reason</p>
<p>(I may have made a rash assumption about the amount of his income, where I live independent contractors have struggled since 2008. But that does not change the fact that the law stands to lower costs for much of America.)</p>
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		<title>By: jayson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463703</link>
		<dc:creator>jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 03:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At those prices, it only benefits the insurance companies. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At those prices, it only benefits the insurance companies. </p>
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		<title>By: jayson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463702</link>
		<dc:creator>jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re claiming that the ACA is going to drive the cost of health insurance down so far that he&#039;ll end up paying less in a YEAR than he currently pays every MONTH? 

How, exactly, is the magic trick of making health insurance that cheap going to happen? I&#039;m all ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re claiming that the ACA is going to drive the cost of health insurance down so far that he&#8217;ll end up paying less in a YEAR than he currently pays every MONTH? </p>
<p>How, exactly, is the magic trick of making health insurance that cheap going to happen? I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Badger</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463599</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure insurance companies may do a bit of investment on the side (maybe some of them go to Vegas or bet on horses -- same thing, really, as investment is just genteel gambling), but their business model doesn&#039;t need that -- it just requires that more people pay in more than then they need because of great health then those who do the opposite. But if you are one of those who come up with cancer at an early age...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure insurance companies may do a bit of investment on the side (maybe some of them go to Vegas or bet on horses &#8212; same thing, really, as investment is just genteel gambling), but their business model doesn&#8217;t need that &#8212; it just requires that more people pay in more than then they need because of great health then those who do the opposite. But if you are one of those who come up with cancer at an early age&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Instead of buying insurance, you could invest that $1,320.87 a month in a diversified portfolio. When bills arrive, pay them out of the investment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Congratulations on your successful travel a decade into the future.  You might want to check out the current global financial situation before making any major fiscal decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Instead of buying insurance, you could invest that $1,320.87 a month in a diversified portfolio. When bills arrive, pay them out of the investment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Congratulations on your successful travel a decade into the future.  You might want to check out the current global financial situation before making any major fiscal decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: RoofusKit</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoofusKit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ll all shut up when 2014 hits and all these people realize that not only do they already have insurance, but they will be paying a LOT less for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ll all shut up when 2014 hits and all these people realize that not only do they already have insurance, but they will be paying a LOT less for it.</p>
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		<title>By: RoofusKit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463510</link>
		<dc:creator>RoofusKit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction, there WERE no cost controls in healthcare in the US. Over the next few years they will be rolling out as part of the ACA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction, there WERE no cost controls in healthcare in the US. Over the next few years they will be rolling out as part of the ACA.</p>
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		<title>By: RoofusKit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463506</link>
		<dc:creator>RoofusKit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Americans will pay even less than that starting in 2014. Many won&#039;t pay more than $932 a year. But most people have no idea that our new law they hate so much does that for them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Americans will pay even less than that starting in 2014. Many won&#8217;t pay more than $932 a year. But most people have no idea that our new law they hate so much does that for them.</p>
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		<title>By: RoofusKit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463497</link>
		<dc:creator>RoofusKit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is exactly why the Affordable Care Act eliminates all preventative care co-payments and deductibles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is exactly why the Affordable Care Act eliminates all preventative care co-payments and deductibles.</p>
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		<title>By: RoofusKit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463496</link>
		<dc:creator>RoofusKit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a fantasy, the point is that it couldn&#039;t happen. Just like imagining you can fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a fantasy, the point is that it couldn&#8217;t happen. Just like imagining you can fly.</p>
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		<title>By: RoofusKit</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoofusKit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you realize that the chances of this man paying more than $932 a year for health insurance after the Affordable Care Act fully kicks in are very slim? Unless of course he is doing very well, which as a (now) independent contractor, I can&#039;t imagine he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you realize that the chances of this man paying more than $932 a year for health insurance after the Affordable Care Act fully kicks in are very slim? Unless of course he is doing very well, which as a (now) independent contractor, I can&#8217;t imagine he is.</p>
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		<title>By: anharmyenone</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463491</link>
		<dc:creator>anharmyenone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of buying insurance, you could invest that $1,320.87 a month in a diversified portfolio. When bills arrive, pay them out of the investment. It&#039;s what insurance companies do on your behalf--you&#039;d just be cutting out the middlemen and the administrative overhead. Seek out doctors and hospitals that give a discount for paying cash (you&#039;re saving them money by them not having to deal with insurance paperwork and many insurance companies have already negotiated their own discounts so &quot;full price&quot; is really a fake price for medical services). There is some risk to this approach, of course, so it&#039;s not for the risk-averse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of buying insurance, you could invest that $1,320.87 a month in a diversified portfolio. When bills arrive, pay them out of the investment. It&#8217;s what insurance companies do on your behalf&#8211;you&#8217;d just be cutting out the middlemen and the administrative overhead. Seek out doctors and hospitals that give a discount for paying cash (you&#8217;re saving them money by them not having to deal with insurance paperwork and many insurance companies have already negotiated their own discounts so &#8220;full price&#8221; is really a fake price for medical services). There is some risk to this approach, of course, so it&#8217;s not for the risk-averse.</p>
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		<title>By: donna m</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463412</link>
		<dc:creator>donna m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. But we&#039;ve also got a catch 22 here. Many of us don&#039;t go to the doctor ~because~ it&#039;s so expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. But we&#8217;ve also got a catch 22 here. Many of us don&#8217;t go to the doctor ~because~ it&#8217;s so expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: PJG</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463409</link>
		<dc:creator>PJG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a freelancer living in BC, my Medical Services Plan premiums are $68 a month, same goes for my husband. No copay at the ER or doctor&#039;s check ups (or limits to the amount of visits, though if your doctor notices you at his door every other week, he&#039;ll probably give you a stern finger wag). We pay extra for dental, prescriptions and eye care but since I only change my glasses out every other year or so, the two hundred bucks for glasses and $80 for an eye exam isn&#039;t a huge deal. My husband has a little over a hundred a month he pays for meds related to high blood pressure, and recently I had a wisdom tooth pulled which came to around $500.  With things as tight as they are sometimes, I can&#039;t imagine paying more than we do in RENT for insurance.  I mean, that&#039;s fucking barbaric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a freelancer living in BC, my Medical Services Plan premiums are $68 a month, same goes for my husband. No copay at the ER or doctor&#8217;s check ups (or limits to the amount of visits, though if your doctor notices you at his door every other week, he&#8217;ll probably give you a stern finger wag). We pay extra for dental, prescriptions and eye care but since I only change my glasses out every other year or so, the two hundred bucks for glasses and $80 for an eye exam isn&#8217;t a huge deal. My husband has a little over a hundred a month he pays for meds related to high blood pressure, and recently I had a wisdom tooth pulled which came to around $500.  With things as tight as they are sometimes, I can&#8217;t imagine paying more than we do in RENT for insurance.  I mean, that&#8217;s fucking barbaric.</p>
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		<title>By: pKp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463385</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

Hey guys : in France, you pay around 30% of your wages in life insurance (minimum wage is around 1000€ for a full-time gig, full-time meaning 35 hours/wk (yeah, you read that right)). Your boss kicks in about the same. No job ? Student ? Retired ? The governement floats nearly the wole bill. You can get private insurance if you want, it can be interesting for some stuff (dental, vision, &quot;comfort&quot; treatments), but basically, if not having a procedure means that you&#039;ll die or be severely handicapped, then you can have that procedure basically for free. I&#039;m thinking surgery, chemo, MRI, all the crazy-expensive stuff.

Of course, times being what they are, that means our hospitals are being gutted - less manpower, less maintenance, less beds, etc. Public hospitals can be a bit dicey, and some procedures are better underwent in private clinics. But for the most part, healthcare is free or cheap.

I will do my damnedest NEVER to move to a country that doesn&#039;t have such a system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>Hey guys : in France, you pay around 30% of your wages in life insurance (minimum wage is around 1000€ for a full-time gig, full-time meaning 35 hours/wk (yeah, you read that right)). Your boss kicks in about the same. No job ? Student ? Retired ? The governement floats nearly the wole bill. You can get private insurance if you want, it can be interesting for some stuff (dental, vision, &#8220;comfort&#8221; treatments), but basically, if not having a procedure means that you&#8217;ll die or be severely handicapped, then you can have that procedure basically for free. I&#8217;m thinking surgery, chemo, MRI, all the crazy-expensive stuff.</p>
<p>Of course, times being what they are, that means our hospitals are being gutted &#8211; less manpower, less maintenance, less beds, etc. Public hospitals can be a bit dicey, and some procedures are better underwent in private clinics. But for the most part, healthcare is free or cheap.</p>
<p>I will do my damnedest NEVER to move to a country that doesn&#8217;t have such a system.</p>
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		<title>By: binarymutant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463365</link>
		<dc:creator>binarymutant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wish I could afford insurance so that I could not pay it and buy a car</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wish I could afford insurance so that I could not pay it and buy a car</p>
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		<title>By: lumpygravy2</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/06/29/fantasizing-about-what-you-cou.html#comment-1463351</link>
		<dc:creator>lumpygravy2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Congress people and the Whitehouse get complete Health Care at 0 cost to thier pocket.  What&#039;s good for the goose. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Congress people and the Whitehouse get complete Health Care at 0 cost to thier pocket.  What&#8217;s good for the goose. </p>
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