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		<title>By: Warren Grant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1465433</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 11:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> And to be fair the same thing happened with Christianity in many parts of the world, former pagan religious figures (defining Pagan as &quot;non-Christian&quot; which is what Christians tend to view it as) have entered the Christian world as various saints etc. Many elements of Christianity occurred in other religions that pre-date Christianity etc. 
All religions seem to do this. If someone converts to a new religion, when the old religion was a major part of their culture, its only natural to adapt some elements of what you used to believe into what you now believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> And to be fair the same thing happened with Christianity in many parts of the world, former pagan religious figures (defining Pagan as &#8220;non-Christian&#8221; which is what Christians tend to view it as) have entered the Christian world as various saints etc. Many elements of Christianity occurred in other religions that pre-date Christianity etc.<br />
All religions seem to do this. If someone converts to a new religion, when the old religion was a major part of their culture, its only natural to adapt some elements of what you used to believe into what you now believe.</p>
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		<title>By: dnebdal</title>
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		<dc:creator>dnebdal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Same thing in other Buddhist countries, too, I believe - it&#039;s very much like hinduism in how it can adapt in local beliefs. (Though ISTR that the general idea is that while gods can help you with practical matters, they can&#039;t help you attain nirvana.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Same thing in other Buddhist countries, too, I believe &#8211; it&#8217;s very much like hinduism in how it can adapt in local beliefs. (Though ISTR that the general idea is that while gods can help you with practical matters, they can&#8217;t help you attain nirvana.)</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1465321</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drugs, dancing and drumming are (essential) tools for communication with &#039;supernatural&#039; powers.

Even better would be to say to understand the evolution of the brain, body and language as motivated by quantum mechanical processes and the development of a sense of intuition (or meaning).

We now only have a neurological/coding problem and not an ideological one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drugs, dancing and drumming are (essential) tools for communication with &#8216;supernatural&#8217; powers.</p>
<p>Even better would be to say to understand the evolution of the brain, body and language as motivated by quantum mechanical processes and the development of a sense of intuition (or meaning).</p>
<p>We now only have a neurological/coding problem and not an ideological one.</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1465312</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. 

(Of course as psychological problems are problems of meaning a good shaman would quite logically say if you try to analyse the psychological content of a message it will no longer work or make you sick.)

JUST DANCE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. </p>
<p>(Of course as psychological problems are problems of meaning a good shaman would quite logically say if you try to analyse the psychological content of a message it will no longer work or make you sick.)</p>
<p>JUST DANCE!</p>
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		<title>By: John Maple</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1465286</link>
		<dc:creator>John Maple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 05:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same thing in Korea too.  Search for Sanshin, dokseong or Chilseong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same thing in Korea too.  Search for Sanshin, dokseong or Chilseong.</p>
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		<title>By: John Maple</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1465282</link>
		<dc:creator>John Maple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 05:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marius, modern Christianity in South Korea is a major political force to be reckoned with.  There are many self-styled Christian sects that are more of a cult than a religion as well.  A church there can be owned by one person and is often used to avoid taxation of profit.  Personally, I consider Christianity there to be largely an unethical enterprise due to corruption.  About 40 percent of the population is Christian though Cristians there are apt to inflate those numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marius, modern Christianity in South Korea is a major political force to be reckoned with.  There are many self-styled Christian sects that are more of a cult than a religion as well.  A church there can be owned by one person and is often used to avoid taxation of profit.  Personally, I consider Christianity there to be largely an unethical enterprise due to corruption.  About 40 percent of the population is Christian though Cristians there are apt to inflate those numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: John Maple</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1465272</link>
		<dc:creator>John Maple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korean shamanism has been around for much longer than 500 years.  It predates the Three Kingdoms Period easily.  The Kendall book is a good read too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korean shamanism has been around for much longer than 500 years.  It predates the Three Kingdoms Period easily.  The Kendall book is a good read too.</p>
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		<title>By: chaoskittenii</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1465125</link>
		<dc:creator>chaoskittenii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 02:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Thanks so much for this link. I&#039;m fascinated by computer games&#039; capacity to alter your physiology in numerous ways and I&#039;ve thought occasionally about trying to put something spiritually motivated together myself, and though I&#039;ve received a lot of interesting insights into the nature of the social and spatial construction of reality from computer games unfortunately none of it involved actually figuring out how to make one. Looking forward to trying it and looking a bit deeper into EJ Gold :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Thanks so much for this link. I&#8217;m fascinated by computer games&#8217; capacity to alter your physiology in numerous ways and I&#8217;ve thought occasionally about trying to put something spiritually motivated together myself, and though I&#8217;ve received a lot of interesting insights into the nature of the social and spatial construction of reality from computer games unfortunately none of it involved actually figuring out how to make one. Looking forward to trying it and looking a bit deeper into EJ Gold :)</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1465095</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Interesting.  The same thing happened with Shinto when Buddhism was imported to Japan from what I recall of an undergraduate Japanese history class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Interesting.  The same thing happened with Shinto when Buddhism was imported to Japan from what I recall of an undergraduate Japanese history class.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1465082</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sophocles&#039; plays and the original olympic games most definitely had religious significance.  Oracular consultation and the concept of fate were both religious concepts and the Greeks were a pretty damned religious people (why was Socrates sentenced to death again?).  The modern Olympic games retain events like the opening relay that had religious significance in the original games.

Besides that, the original purpose of astronomy was to facilitate and improve astrology.  Modern pharmacology and surgery traditions arose out of European folk magic that hybridized Catholocism and paganism.  Agriculture goes a little further back but I&#039;d be surprised if it wasn&#039;t reified and ritualized at some point in prehistory.  Edit: How could I forget the origins of modern chemistry in the occult traditions of alchemy?

We got modern science because a lot of people were willing to be flexible about their interpretations of reality.  Maybe we&#039;re not at some hyper-rational end point of intellectual history.  Maybe we can do even better if we keep our minds open.  Traditions like this survive because they embody wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophocles&#8217; plays and the original olympic games most definitely had religious significance.  Oracular consultation and the concept of fate were both religious concepts and the Greeks were a pretty damned religious people (why was Socrates sentenced to death again?).  The modern Olympic games retain events like the opening relay that had religious significance in the original games.</p>
<p>Besides that, the original purpose of astronomy was to facilitate and improve astrology.  Modern pharmacology and surgery traditions arose out of European folk magic that hybridized Catholocism and paganism.  Agriculture goes a little further back but I&#8217;d be surprised if it wasn&#8217;t reified and ritualized at some point in prehistory.  Edit: How could I forget the origins of modern chemistry in the occult traditions of alchemy?</p>
<p>We got modern science because a lot of people were willing to be flexible about their interpretations of reality.  Maybe we&#8217;re not at some hyper-rational end point of intellectual history.  Maybe we can do even better if we keep our minds open.  Traditions like this survive because they embody wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike The Bard</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464965</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike The Bard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I need to defend myself briefly.

Wicca is a made up system designed to provide structure of separate basic truths.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a &quot;false looking backwards&quot;, so much as a coherent retelling of universal mythology and spiritual tools. While there is a certain amount of romanticizing the past (but seriously, show me a culture where there isn&#039;t), the overwhelming majority are quite up front about the fact that we&#039;re generally trying to incorporate the lessons of the past into an evolving present.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I need to defend myself briefly.</p>
<p>Wicca is a made up system designed to provide structure of separate basic truths.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a &#8220;false looking backwards&#8221;, so much as a coherent retelling of universal mythology and spiritual tools. While there is a certain amount of romanticizing the past (but seriously, show me a culture where there isn&#8217;t), the overwhelming majority are quite up front about the fact that we&#8217;re generally trying to incorporate the lessons of the past into an evolving present.</p>
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		<title>By: cycle23</title>
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		<dc:creator>cycle23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I submit to you this video of Mormons drumming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGHuZVnUQj4

(Yeah, I&#039;m just trying to have fun but I did think in some minor way this was contributing to the thread..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I submit to you this video of Mormons drumming: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGHuZVnUQj4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGHuZVnUQj4</a></p>
<p>(Yeah, I&#8217;m just trying to have fun but I did think in some minor way this was contributing to the thread..)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric S. Riley</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464890</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric S. Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, all religions are made up spiritual systems.  Wicca just happens to be the new kid on the block.  You could just as easily say that Mormonism is Christian fan-fiction, but that doesn&#039;t make it any less relevant as a religious movement.  Same with Wicca.  Just because folks picked and prodded through a romantic vision of the archaic Britain and came up with something cobbled together via Masonry and nudism, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s any less of a religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, all religions are made up spiritual systems.  Wicca just happens to be the new kid on the block.  You could just as easily say that Mormonism is Christian fan-fiction, but that doesn&#8217;t make it any less relevant as a religious movement.  Same with Wicca.  Just because folks picked and prodded through a romantic vision of the archaic Britain and came up with something cobbled together via Masonry and nudism, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s any less of a religion.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexG55</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexG55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that was a priest- priests have special powers to communicate with a god or gods, whereas preachers are just educated community leaders who are good at talking about religion. A shaman is specifically someone who enters an altered state of consciousness (often through drugs, dancing and/or drumming) in order to communicate with supernatural powers.

As far as I know, Mormons don&#039;t do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that was a priest- priests have special powers to communicate with a god or gods, whereas preachers are just educated community leaders who are good at talking about religion. A shaman is specifically someone who enters an altered state of consciousness (often through drugs, dancing and/or drumming) in order to communicate with supernatural powers.</p>
<p>As far as I know, Mormons don&#8217;t do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Beceanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marius Beceanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like Christians are a minority in South Korea and were persecuted in the past. As for a rationalist tradition, Koreans seem to have a notable one, which goes back a long time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Korea
Even if they didn&#039;t, science itself has a long tradition and traditionally does not stop at the border.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Christians are a minority in South Korea and were persecuted in the past. As for a rationalist tradition, Koreans seem to have a notable one, which goes back a long time:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Korea" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Korea</a><br />
Even if they didn&#8217;t, science itself has a long tradition and traditionally does not stop at the border.</p>
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		<title>By: townandgownie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464821</link>
		<dc:creator>townandgownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> They survive because of a) ignorance of the practitioners and b) ignorance of people like you. You have a funny idea of truth. And if you really believe some curse placed by a santero (a real one, not some phony although how one could tell the difference I don&#039;t know. Similar to a real psychic vs a phony psychic I guess) is going to put you life into the &quot;shite&quot;, you need more help than I can give in a little box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> They survive because of a) ignorance of the practitioners and b) ignorance of people like you. You have a funny idea of truth. And if you really believe some curse placed by a santero (a real one, not some phony although how one could tell the difference I don&#8217;t know. Similar to a real psychic vs a phony psychic I guess) is going to put you life into the &#8220;shite&#8221;, you need more help than I can give in a little box.</p>
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		<title>By: townandgownie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464815</link>
		<dc:creator>townandgownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> In reality, yes. When people defend senseless neolithic practices born out of ignorance, it&#039;s a sad day. That goes for the rest of the &quot;acceptable&quot; religions as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> In reality, yes. When people defend senseless neolithic practices born out of ignorance, it&#8217;s a sad day. That goes for the rest of the &#8220;acceptable&#8221; religions as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Fenrox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fenrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forget, A shaman is considered to be someone with a direct connection to some kind of &quot;god&quot;, vs say a preacher who has an indirect connection. Mormonism is a shamanistic religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget, A shaman is considered to be someone with a direct connection to some kind of &#8220;god&#8221;, vs say a preacher who has an indirect connection. Mormonism is a shamanistic religion.</p>
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		<title>By: SamLL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FROST SHOCK! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FROST SHOCK! </p>
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		<title>By: mrfixitrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrfixitrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent story! 

 Modern shamans do exist in most parts of the planet.  
 The bright ones use the tools of the current culture, including technology, to do their essential work. 

 In North America, for example, a shaman could use dance, music, artwork...or a computer and gaming as a method of teaching.
 One such shaman is EJ Gold, sometimes known as &quot;The High-Tech Shaman&quot;.
 Gold is a top game player in Diablo and Team Fortress, and creates games with the GODD gaming engine. 

Gold is developing a non-shooter game called,&quot;Prosperity&quot; to help folks attain more abundance and a better life, and for learning about out-of-body experiences. For more on the Prosperity Path, go to http://www.urthgame.com/

    &quot;In addition to amazing life wins, you can learn to operate from outside your body--right through to another dimension.&quot; - EJ Gold</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent story! </p>
<p> Modern shamans do exist in most parts of the planet.<br />
 The bright ones use the tools of the current culture, including technology, to do their essential work. </p>
<p> In North America, for example, a shaman could use dance, music, artwork&#8230;or a computer and gaming as a method of teaching.<br />
 One such shaman is EJ Gold, sometimes known as &#8220;The High-Tech Shaman&#8221;.<br />
 Gold is a top game player in Diablo and Team Fortress, and creates games with the GODD gaming engine. </p>
<p>Gold is developing a non-shooter game called,&#8221;Prosperity&#8221; to help folks attain more abundance and a better life, and for learning about out-of-body experiences. For more on the Prosperity Path, go to http://www.urthgame.com/</p>
<p>    &#8220;In addition to amazing life wins, you can learn to operate from outside your body&#8211;right through to another dimension.&#8221; &#8211; EJ Gold</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Beceanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marius Beceanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to make it clear, I think such powers as you describe are absolutely real and terrifying:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/occult-link-baby-full-needles
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-25/world/nigeria.child.witches_1_witches-godwin-orphanage?_s=PM:WORLD
I also think these people have the power to do good when they feel so inclined.
All I deny is the supernatural origin of their powers --- as unwise as it may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to make it clear, I think such powers as you describe are absolutely real and terrifying:<br />
<a href="http://www.nowpublic.com/world/occult-link-baby-full-needles" rel="nofollow">http://www.nowpublic.com/world/occult-link-baby-full-needles</a><br />
<a href="http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-25/world/nigeria.child.witches_1_witches-godwin-orphanage?_s=PM:WORLD" rel="nofollow">http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-25/world/nigeria.child.witches_1_witches-godwin-orphanage?_s=PM:WORLD</a><br />
I also think these people have the power to do good when they feel so inclined.<br />
All I deny is the supernatural origin of their powers &#8212; as unwise as it may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Beceanu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464581</link>
		<dc:creator>Marius Beceanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t necessarily want to anger such evil, dangerous people, just as I don&#039;t want to anger the Mafia (which also cloaks itself in a veil of mystery, survives despite suppression attempts, and sometimes helps people with their everyday problems). Perhaps I actually prefer to stay well clear of them (go back to my lab, if I had one).
On the other hand, I do think that much of their power is drawn, in both cases, from people&#039;s belief in their power. We really are heading toward a new dark age, as such belief increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily want to anger such evil, dangerous people, just as I don&#8217;t want to anger the Mafia (which also cloaks itself in a veil of mystery, survives despite suppression attempts, and sometimes helps people with their everyday problems). Perhaps I actually prefer to stay well clear of them (go back to my lab, if I had one).<br />
On the other hand, I do think that much of their power is drawn, in both cases, from people&#8217;s belief in their power. We really are heading toward a new dark age, as such belief increases.</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Beceanu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464563</link>
		<dc:creator>Marius Beceanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still, you could admit that the image of Korean politicians (or politicians anywhere) dancing is quite funny:
&quot;But today, visiting a mudang - shaman priest or priestess - is so common that politicians consult them seeking answers to questions such as whether they should relocate their ancestors&#039; remains to ensure good luck in the next election. Shaman characters have also featured in popular television shows.&quot;
I actually much prefer that politicians go to shamans and religious advisors for answers, instead of prostituting science in their service. Shamans are probably more accommodating, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, you could admit that the image of Korean politicians (or politicians anywhere) dancing is quite funny:<br />
&#8220;But today, visiting a mudang &#8211; shaman priest or priestess &#8211; is so common that politicians consult them seeking answers to questions such as whether they should relocate their ancestors&#8217; remains to ensure good luck in the next election. Shaman characters have also featured in popular television shows.&#8221;<br />
I actually much prefer that politicians go to shamans and religious advisors for answers, instead of prostituting science in their service. Shamans are probably more accommodating, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Beceanu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464557</link>
		<dc:creator>Marius Beceanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have much more respect for Sophocles&#039;s plays, olympic games, non-religious holidays and carnivals, etc., which have thankfully lost or never had a religious component, than for such unabashedly religious practices. At least the former wear their commercialism on their sleeve.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have much more respect for Sophocles&#8217;s plays, olympic games, non-religious holidays and carnivals, etc., which have thankfully lost or never had a religious component, than for such unabashedly religious practices. At least the former wear their commercialism on their sleeve.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister44</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464540</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah! I love The Shamen. I&#039;m glad Korea has such good taste. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFJdUJg4wOk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! I love The Shamen. I&#8217;m glad Korea has such good taste. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFJdUJg4wOk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFJdUJg4wOk</a></p>
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		<title>By: zombiebob</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I don&#039;t really understand what you are saying, but to clarify what I was saying: Wicca is a made up religion ans spiritual system, a false looking backwards ,whereas what is written about above is something that organically developed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I don&#8217;t really understand what you are saying, but to clarify what I was saying: Wicca is a made up religion ans spiritual system, a false looking backwards ,whereas what is written about above is something that organically developed.</p>
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		<title>By: Wreckrob8</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464510</link>
		<dc:creator>Wreckrob8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely. For me the physical and collective participation in ritual seems to be the psychologically essential component.

Traditions can only survive if they evolve.

Les blancs pensent trop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. For me the physical and collective participation in ritual seems to be the psychologically essential component.</p>
<p>Traditions can only survive if they evolve.</p>
<p>Les blancs pensent trop.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No True Shaman is a Wiccan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No True Shaman is a Wiccan?</p>
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		<title>By: benher</title>
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		<dc:creator>benher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but will the Shaman welcome Lady Gaga to the peninsula?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but will the Shaman welcome Lady Gaga to the peninsula?</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/shamans.html#comment-1464499</link>
		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case I wasn&#039;t clear: while I have a great deal of difficulty mustering anything but contempt for religious practices as a method of truth determination, I have considerable respect for the efficacy of (surviving) rituals in serving psychological objectives.

In the (often rather brutal) competition for adherents and resources between different flavors of ritualists, only the ones that get results last. In this case, the local shamanic tradition has been hanging on pretty stubbornly for some centuries, so I would very much expect them to have some good tricks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case I wasn&#8217;t clear: while I have a great deal of difficulty mustering anything but contempt for religious practices as a method of truth determination, I have considerable respect for the efficacy of (surviving) rituals in serving psychological objectives.</p>
<p>In the (often rather brutal) competition for adherents and resources between different flavors of ritualists, only the ones that get results last. In this case, the local shamanic tradition has been hanging on pretty stubbornly for some centuries, so I would very much expect them to have some good tricks.</p>
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