Comments on: No jury trial for naked TSA protestor http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 21 May 2013 19:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: NoOneSpecific http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1467275 NoOneSpecific Wed, 04 Jul 2012 21:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1467275  Understood, and as I have expressed, in certain circumstances, it is not. Anywhere. Walk naked, without any children of your own, into a public playground. Let us know how that works out for you.  Understood, and as I have expressed, in certain circumstances, it is not. Anywhere.

Walk naked, without any children of your own, into a public playground. Let us know how that works out for you.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1467247 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 04 Jul 2012 21:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1467247 Public nudity is legal in many places in the US, even if there are children in the vicinity. Public nudity is legal in many places in the US, even if there are children in the vicinity.

]]> By: guest http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466990 guest Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466990  ah, but it does; i had an uncle in texas who mowed the lawn while drunk... and nude. after the arrest, he was labeled a sex offender, and had to move due to nearby schools and churches.   ah, but it does; i had an uncle in texas who mowed the lawn while drunk… and nude.

after the arrest, he was labeled a sex offender, and had to move due to nearby schools and churches. 

]]> By: NoOneSpecific http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466986 NoOneSpecific Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:19:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466986 Actually, publicly exposing your genitals to other people's children is most certainly enough to be arrested and charged as a sex offender. Don't believe me, try it in a crowded school playground and get back to us! Actually, publicly exposing your genitals to other people’s children is most certainly enough to be arrested and charged as a sex offender.

Don’t believe me, try it in a crowded school playground and get back to us!

]]> By: Kat Stevens http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466552 Kat Stevens Wed, 04 Jul 2012 04:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466552 Being naked in front of a child does not constitute as being a sexual offender!   Being naked in front of a child does not constitute as being a sexual offender!  

]]> By: Kat Stevens http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466550 Kat Stevens Wed, 04 Jul 2012 04:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466550 Police know how to kill kids and get away with it. Police know how to kill kids and get away with it.

]]> By: billstewart http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466451 billstewart Wed, 04 Jul 2012 02:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466451 No, but they'd happily kick a group of naked people out of the airport, and then decide there was some reason that meant they had to kick all the clothed people out as well (might have conspired to sneak something in during the distraction, y'know!), so that lots of people would miss their planes and blame the naked terrorists. Or alternatively, Yes. Either way it's not going to make the public happy, and it's not going to make the TSA behave themselves. No, but they’d happily kick a group of naked people out of the airport, and then decide there was some reason that meant they had to kick all the clothed people out as well (might have conspired to sneak something in during the distraction, y’know!), so that lots of people would miss their planes and blame the naked terrorists.

Or alternatively, Yes. Either way it’s not going to make the public happy, and it’s not going to make the TSA behave themselves.

]]> By: Bottle Imp http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466399 Bottle Imp Wed, 04 Jul 2012 02:07:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466399 Oregon allows non-unanimous jury verdicts. Though, finding more than one person on a Multnomah County jury that sided with him should not have been hard. Hell, finding someone on the Multnomah County bench to side with him might not be that hard. Oregon allows non-unanimous jury verdicts. Though, finding more than one person on a Multnomah County jury that sided with him should not have been hard. Hell, finding someone on the Multnomah County bench to side with him might not be that hard.

]]> By: catherinecc http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466373 catherinecc Wed, 04 Jul 2012 01:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466373 Just in time for Freedom Day! Just in time for Freedom Day!

]]> By: penguinchris http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466357 penguinchris Wed, 04 Jul 2012 01:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466357 <blockquote>what are they gonna do arrest us all?</blockquote> ...yes

what are they gonna do arrest us all?

…yes

]]> By: Dr. Roboto http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466354 Dr. Roboto Wed, 04 Jul 2012 01:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466354  The misdemeanor v. felony distinction is pretty standard in the US and it's as I defined.  Which jurisdiction are you referring to?  The misdemeanor v. felony distinction is pretty standard in the US and it’s as I defined.  Which jurisdiction are you referring to?

]]> By: pmocek http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466337 pmocek Wed, 04 Jul 2012 01:13:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466337 Regardless, what TSA's airport security guards do to people and call a pat-down is much more invasive than what police call a pat-down. Regardless, what TSA’s airport security guards do to people and call a pat-down is much more invasive than what police call a pat-down.

]]> By: Bill Hart http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466295 Bill Hart Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466295 When will these people learn that they only have the right to bare arms. When will these people learn that they only have the right to bare arms.

]]> By: Marc Mielke http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466277 Marc Mielke Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:04:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466277 The pic is pretty gross.  The pic is pretty gross. 

]]> By: Tynam http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466220 Tynam Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466220  It's definitely not a police-style search.  The police know how.  They get actual training and everything.  It’s definitely not a police-style search.  The police know how.  They get actual training and everything.

]]> By: DRAGONRACER http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466198 DRAGONRACER Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:01:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466198 they're just mad because they didn't get to feel his junk. i say we all go naked as a form of protest. what are they gonna do arrest us all? they’re just mad because they didn’t get to feel his junk. i say we all go naked as a form of protest. what are they gonna do arrest us all?

]]> By: bobbrusow http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466191 bobbrusow Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466191 misdemeanor is up to 90 days in jail a gross misdemeanor is up to a year misdemeanor is up to 90 days in jail a gross misdemeanor is up to a year

]]> By: Captain Assclown http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466183 Captain Assclown Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466183 "...Mr Brennan was also charged $50 for his second ball, due to the airline's 'one carry-on ball' policy." “…Mr Brennan was also charged $50 for his second ball, due to the airline’s ‘one carry-on ball’ policy.”

]]> By: pmocek http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466174 pmocek Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:49:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466174 ...and like it's a pat-down rather than a police-style body search. …and like it’s a pat-down rather than a police-style body search.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466158 Antinous / Moderator Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:44:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466158 I like the part about how he "received" a pat-down.  Like it's Christmas and he just got a pony. I like the part about how he “received” a pat-down.  Like it’s Christmas and he just got a pony.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466153 Antinous / Moderator Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466153 <blockquote>I think it's safe to assume he will be found guilty of indecent exposure with or without the need to prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt."</blockquote>You're assuming that his exposure is indecent rather than political, a premise that he should have the right to put to a jury of his peers.

I think it’s safe to assume he will be found guilty of indecent exposure with or without the need to prove it ”beyond a reasonable doubt.”

You’re assuming that his exposure is indecent rather than political, a premise that he should have the right to put to a jury of his peers.

]]> By: NoOneSpecific http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466140 NoOneSpecific Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466140 He really is lucky. Not arguing "his right to be nude". He's lucky there wasn't a kid present with a parent filing to have him labeled as a sexual offender. Wouldn't put it past them (TSA) to see this happen, had there been a child within line of sight. He really is lucky.

Not arguing “his right to be nude”. He’s lucky there wasn’t a kid present with a parent filing to have him labeled as a sexual offender. Wouldn’t put it past them (TSA) to see this happen, had there been a child within line of sight.

]]> By: panhead20 http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466109 panhead20 Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466109 "Uncontrolled search and seizure is one of the first and most effective weapons in the arsenal of every arbitrary government. Among deprivations of rights, none is so effective in cowing a population, crushing the spirit of the individual and putting terror in every heart." Justice Robert Jackson, chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials I will not subject myself nor my family to needless radiation exposure nor TSA molestation. My family and I will not be flying until the TSA changes these procedures. “Uncontrolled search and seizure is one of the first and most effective weapons in the arsenal of every arbitrary government. Among deprivations of rights, none is so effective in cowing a population, crushing the spirit of the individual and putting terror in every heart.”

Justice Robert Jackson, chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials

I will not subject myself nor my family to needless radiation exposure nor TSA molestation. My family and I will not be flying until the TSA changes these procedures.

]]> By: Sagodjur http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466079 Sagodjur Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:56:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466079 Which is probably why he wanted a jury trial. If his lawyer could convince even one juror not to convict him (and I'm sure you can find quite a few people in the jury pool who don't have kind thoughts for the TSA or their procedures), he could get off pants free! Which is probably why he wanted a jury trial. If his lawyer could convince even one juror not to convict him (and I’m sure you can find quite a few people in the jury pool who don’t have kind thoughts for the TSA or their procedures), he could get off pants free!

]]> By: Listener43 http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466062 Listener43 Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:45:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466062 I had no idea the TSA had "male assist" agents. I may have to start flying. I had no idea the TSA had “male assist” agents.

I may have to start flying.

]]> By: txhoudini http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466057 txhoudini Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466057 What am I missing here? I think it's safe to assume he will be found guilty of indecent exposure with or without the need to prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt." Breaking the law in protest is still breaking the law, even if you declare that you believe you are within your legal rights. It seems to me that the court is doing him a favor since he will receive a lesser punishment and, I assume, avoid being a convicted sex offender. What am I missing here? I think it’s safe to assume he will be found guilty of indecent exposure with or without the need to prove it ”beyond a reasonable doubt.” Breaking the law in protest is still breaking the law, even if you declare that you believe you are within your legal rights. It seems to me that the court is doing him a favor since he will receive a lesser punishment and, I assume, avoid being a convicted sex offender.

]]> By: V http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466053 V Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466053 Upon further review, the judge declared that the evidence would not stand up in court.... Upon further review, the judge declared that the evidence would not stand up in court….

]]> By: hardwarejunkie9 http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466051 hardwarejunkie9 Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466051  As mentioned in previous stories: he's a member of that bike ride.  As mentioned in previous stories: he’s a member of that bike ride.

]]> By: EH http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466052 EH Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466052 Ha ha, Star Chamber for you, motherfucker! Ha ha, Star Chamber for you, motherfucker!

]]> By: technogeekagain http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/no-jury-trial-for-naked-tsa-pr.html#comment-1466041 technogeekagain Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=168940#comment-1466041 Pity the airport isn't considered federal land. There is no federal statute against nudity. (Which is why nude beaches tend to be federal beaches.) Pity the airport isn’t considered federal land. There is no federal statute against nudity. (Which is why nude beaches tend to be federal beaches.)

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