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	<title>Comments on: Rand and Ron Paul denounce net neutrality and the public&#160;domain</title>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470686</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Hence the &quot;as practiced&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Hence the &#8220;as practiced&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Voelker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470465</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe Voelker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be grateful if you could provide some examples of that.  I&#039;m not a Ron Paul expert, but I&#039;ve only heard of him using subsidies in order to cancel out taxes the federal gov&#039;t is imposing.  Also, as far as I know, his campaign money comes almost entirely from individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be grateful if you could provide some examples of that.  I&#8217;m not a Ron Paul expert, but I&#8217;ve only heard of him using subsidies in order to cancel out taxes the federal gov&#8217;t is imposing.  Also, as far as I know, his campaign money comes almost entirely from individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: ben_b</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470213</link>
		<dc:creator>ben_b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what is considered to be in the public domain should be greatly expanded.&quot;

Am I reading this wrong? This appears to support the public domain, the opposite of what the article says.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what is considered to be in the public domain should be greatly expanded.&#8221;</p>
<p>Am I reading this wrong? This appears to support the public domain, the opposite of what the article says.  </p>
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		<title>By: Gyrofrog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470155</link>
		<dc:creator>Gyrofrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> What, you people don&#039;t have Facebook accounts? Or in-laws?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> What, you people don&#8217;t have Facebook accounts? Or in-laws?</p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470141</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that job was outsourced.</description>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470140</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t hear the sound of that slamdunk because of all the glass of the backboard shattering.  Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t hear the sound of that slamdunk because of all the glass of the backboard shattering.  Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470138</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is on fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread is on fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Albury</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Albury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Id have to see the video or read the exact comment in full context </description>
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		<title>By: Carlos Sismeiro</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470057</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Sismeiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People for Paul 2012!! (Corporations are people, you know?)&quot;

&quot;Ron Paul: a true People Person!! (paid for by the Corporations are people fund for Paul 2012)&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People for Paul 2012!! (Corporations are people, you know?)&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ron Paul: a true People Person!! (paid for by the Corporations are people fund for Paul 2012)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Sismeiro</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470044</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Sismeiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the Newt-Republicanism: 
- anyone who uses my words against me is a liar;
- I don&#039;t know what I said but whatever it is I stand behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the Newt-Republicanism: <br />
- anyone who uses my words against me is a liar;<br />
- I don&#8217;t know what I said but whatever it is I stand behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Hatchell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470035</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Hatchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grrrr... Ron Paul&#039;s Internet Freedom Manifesto. The idea that government should not enforce net neutrality is absurd. WE paid for the network roll outs through massive subsidies and granting of monopolies. Therefore we have a right to have a say in how those networks are run, specifically to promote our best interests. The only way we can have our say is through the government, which at least theoretically represents us. Typical libertarian thinking: Ideas that only work well in a vacuum, and ignore convenient facts and/or history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grrrr&#8230; Ron Paul&#8217;s Internet Freedom Manifesto. The idea that government should not enforce net neutrality is absurd. WE paid for the network roll outs through massive subsidies and granting of monopolies. Therefore we have a right to have a say in how those networks are run, specifically to promote our best interests. The only way we can have our say is through the government, which at least theoretically represents us. Typical libertarian thinking: Ideas that only work well in a vacuum, and ignore convenient facts and/or history.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston McDonald</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1470001</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarianism is fundamentally incoherent.  This sort of thing is a natural consequence of that fact. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarianism is fundamentally incoherent.  This sort of thing is a natural consequence of that fact. </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Kane</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1469939</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 09:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Those are Civil Libertarians.

The others are uncivil libertarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Those are Civil Libertarians.</p>
<p>The others are uncivil libertarians.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Kane</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1469938</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yeah, but &quot;left-wing libertarians&quot; don&#039;t call themselves that, since they know what the word &quot;liberal&quot; means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yeah, but &#8220;left-wing libertarians&#8221; don&#8217;t call themselves that, since they know what the word &#8220;liberal&#8221; means.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiki-Truths</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiki-Truths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 09:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ I&#039;m so lost - the double talk and bills being named exactly for the opposite of what they sound like... I thought Ron Paul was for net neutrality? I thought he was all about telling it like it is and fixing gov? I thought he personally doesn&#039;t like abortion but knew enough that it&#039;s a womans choice to decide and keeping out of it and giving them the right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ I&#8217;m so lost &#8211; the double talk and bills being named exactly for the opposite of what they sound like&#8230; I thought Ron Paul was for net neutrality? I thought he was all about telling it like it is and fixing gov? I thought he personally doesn&#8217;t like abortion but knew enough that it&#8217;s a womans choice to decide and keeping out of it and giving them the right?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Paul Harding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Paul Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 08:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read somewhere that corporations are legally treated as individuals? How does that work exactly and how would it fit in here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read somewhere that corporations are legally treated as individuals? How does that work exactly and how would it fit in here?</p>
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		<title>By: NaughtayMonkay</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/06/rand-and-ron-paul-denounce-net.html#comment-1469905</link>
		<dc:creator>NaughtayMonkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 08:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author of the article either simply does not understand how laws work or what Ron Paul&#039;s views are, or both.
The main argument the writer, Cory Doctorow, makes is that internet service providers receive subsidies from the government and become huge monopolies and without net neutrality laws will become even more powerful and will harass the users of internet who are online through them. 

This is not entirely accurate. It is indeed true that huge ISP&#039;s already almost hold monopolies over internet access and do indeed receive special permits, subsidies, and various government help. HOWEVER, Ron Paul or his son Rand are not inconsistent in their opposition to Net Neutrality laws, nor do they endorse monopolies, natural, or unnatural.  Libertarian view , and by extent Ron Paul&#039;s , is that no business at all, no ISP, not PG&amp;E (America&#039;s electricity and gas provider) should receive any aid or a single dollar from the government. Not a cent from the tax payer.  If the subsidies and aid by the government to these big ISP was not there in the first place they would not have become monopolies.

Net Neutrality in itself sounds like a good idea because it sounds like it is designed against discrimination of internet users no matter how the latter use the internet access.  However, this enforcement would have to come from the same government that created the monopolies in the first place. Net Neutrality would not prevent creation of unfair government funded monopolies, nor destroy the existing ones. BUT what it has the potential of doing is creating a precedent that will suggest that the government as an entity has even more control over internet or how it is provided to the user in the first place.  This means, when horrible people come to power they&#039;ll be able to use Net Neutrality as a precedent for government control of the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of the article either simply does not understand how laws work or what Ron Paul&#8217;s views are, or both.<br />
The main argument the writer, Cory Doctorow, makes is that internet service providers receive subsidies from the government and become huge monopolies and without net neutrality laws will become even more powerful and will harass the users of internet who are online through them. </p>
<p>This is not entirely accurate. It is indeed true that huge ISP&#8217;s already almost hold monopolies over internet access and do indeed receive special permits, subsidies, and various government help. HOWEVER, Ron Paul or his son Rand are not inconsistent in their opposition to Net Neutrality laws, nor do they endorse monopolies, natural, or unnatural.  Libertarian view , and by extent Ron Paul&#8217;s , is that no business at all, no ISP, not PG&amp;E (America&#8217;s electricity and gas provider) should receive any aid or a single dollar from the government. Not a cent from the tax payer.  If the subsidies and aid by the government to these big ISP was not there in the first place they would not have become monopolies.</p>
<p>Net Neutrality in itself sounds like a good idea because it sounds like it is designed against discrimination of internet users no matter how the latter use the internet access.  However, this enforcement would have to come from the same government that created the monopolies in the first place. Net Neutrality would not prevent creation of unfair government funded monopolies, nor destroy the existing ones. BUT what it has the potential of doing is creating a precedent that will suggest that the government as an entity has even more control over internet or how it is provided to the user in the first place.  This means, when horrible people come to power they&#8217;ll be able to use Net Neutrality as a precedent for government control of the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 07:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having all roads be toll roads would actually be substantially better than the ISP analog:

Tolls are inefficient in practice(because you have to slow people to collect them), so other ways of paying for the road are usually better; but they are applied relatively even-handedly to road users, not too unlike typical $X/YMb/s/month charge for a data line.

ISPs, by contrast, have significantly more sophisticated ways to distinguish one flavor of traffic from another, by protocol/destination/etc, and they also tend to have business interests that they can advance by taking advantage of that. Cable companies losing video business to netflix suddenly discover that streaming video is destroying the intertubes!!! and telcos hit by VOIP begin suffering mysterious jitter problems, never mind all the fun to be had with having site operators bid for priority.

If roads operated like that, you&#039;d pay the supplemental Toyota Toll on GM roads, and vice-versa, commercial establishments partnered with your road vendor would be readily accessible, while those competing with them would be locked in 25mph zones or simply off the map entirely, and the toll to use a given road would change dramatically based on the classification of the contents of your car. Happy times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having all roads be toll roads would actually be substantially better than the ISP analog:</p>
<p>Tolls are inefficient in practice(because you have to slow people to collect them), so other ways of paying for the road are usually better; but they are applied relatively even-handedly to road users, not too unlike typical $X/YMb/s/month charge for a data line.</p>
<p>ISPs, by contrast, have significantly more sophisticated ways to distinguish one flavor of traffic from another, by protocol/destination/etc, and they also tend to have business interests that they can advance by taking advantage of that. Cable companies losing video business to netflix suddenly discover that streaming video is destroying the intertubes!!! and telcos hit by VOIP begin suffering mysterious jitter problems, never mind all the fun to be had with having site operators bid for priority.</p>
<p>If roads operated like that, you&#8217;d pay the supplemental Toyota Toll on GM roads, and vice-versa, commercial establishments partnered with your road vendor would be readily accessible, while those competing with them would be locked in 25mph zones or simply off the map entirely, and the toll to use a given road would change dramatically based on the classification of the contents of your car. Happy times.</p>
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		<title>By: JProffitt71</title>
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		<dc:creator>JProffitt71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 05:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t completely dehumanize them. I for one was starting to grow fond of Ron Paul&#039;s outlook (given I needed to seriously investigate that racism issue before making a decision about him), but this completely turned me off. There are no libertarians in our government, it&#039;s corporate shills all the way.

Edit: Irony noted, but seriously, can anyone point me to a good, decent politician anymore who even attempts to work for their constituents beyond the absolute bare minimum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t completely dehumanize them. I for one was starting to grow fond of Ron Paul&#8217;s outlook (given I needed to seriously investigate that racism issue before making a decision about him), but this completely turned me off. There are no libertarians in our government, it&#8217;s corporate shills all the way.</p>
<p>Edit: Irony noted, but seriously, can anyone point me to a good, decent politician anymore who even attempts to work for their constituents beyond the absolute bare minimum?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Frazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Frazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;liberty turtles&quot; +1</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it doesn&#039;t. Libertarian means the government helps no one - neither the people nor corporations. That means no one gets any favors either. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it doesn&#8217;t. Libertarian means the government helps no one &#8211; neither the people nor corporations. That means no one gets any favors either. </p>
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		<title>By: mJRgDC159</title>
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		<dc:creator>mJRgDC159</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re probably right...

The same words get thrown at all sides as if one government wouldn&#039;t be the same as one multinational conglomerate. (In other words, &quot;left&quot; vs &quot;right&quot; and &quot;socialism&quot; vs &quot;capitalism&quot; are not arguements. They are both the same destination if you drive them all the way.)

Quote: &quot;But, ironically, just as decentralization has unleashed the potential for free markets andindividual freedom on a global scale, collectivist special interests and governments worldwide are now tirelessly pushing for more centralized control of the Internet and technology&quot;

Ironically, since copyright is a government-endorsed monopoly that I am also against, I don&#039;t feel too bad about the collectivist dig (even though it is the rhetoric of monopolies). Since I&#039;m also against the government &quot;regulating intellectual property&quot; on the Internet (as in enforcing something that wouldn&#039;t otherwise exist), I don&#039;t mind that line either.

Quote: &quot;We do not need to reinvent our principles for the web; we only need apply our coreprinciples to it. When faced with Internet regulation, we should ask these key questions:&quot;

To pick out the key questions:
 
&quot;Does it protect property rights?&quot;
&quot;Does it protect individual rights?&quot;

I think his and every other politician&#039;s answers turn into mystery-meat here. In effort to apeal to all sides, they resort to irrefutable &quot;common sense.&quot; The same common sense that has
 nourished hatred of anything different, from racism, to electric cars.

I strongly believe tangible property rights are different from intangible rights (to whatever degree you supprt them), and anywhere the two ideas might meet, tangible property must be preserved. This means intangible rights will not exist at some extremes (for example, they should not prevent physical use of any equipment you own, subject to everyone else&#039;s physical rights), and that is fine: because real things matter most.

If he really does think the two are equivalent then he is stuck in the same mud as every other &quot;good old country boy&quot; politician out there who&#039;s arguing from analogy and completely out of touch with reality.If so, it&#039;s a shame. I thought Ron had clarity on some other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably right&#8230;</p>
<p>The same words get thrown at all sides as if one government wouldn&#8217;t be the same as one multinational conglomerate. (In other words, &#8220;left&#8221; vs &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;socialism&#8221; vs &#8220;capitalism&#8221; are not arguements. They are both the same destination if you drive them all the way.)</p>
<p>Quote: &#8220;But, ironically, just as decentralization has unleashed the potential for free markets andindividual freedom on a global scale, collectivist special interests and governments worldwide are now tirelessly pushing for more centralized control of the Internet and technology&#8221;</p>
<p>Ironically, since copyright is a government-endorsed monopoly that I am also against, I don&#8217;t feel too bad about the collectivist dig (even though it is the rhetoric of monopolies). Since I&#8217;m also against the government &#8220;regulating intellectual property&#8221; on the Internet (as in enforcing something that wouldn&#8217;t otherwise exist), I don&#8217;t mind that line either.</p>
<p>Quote: &#8220;We do not need to reinvent our principles for the web; we only need apply our coreprinciples to it. When faced with Internet regulation, we should ask these key questions:&#8221;</p>
<p>To pick out the key questions:<br />
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&#8220;Does it protect property rights?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Does it protect individual rights?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think his and every other politician&#8217;s answers turn into mystery-meat here. In effort to apeal to all sides, they resort to irrefutable &#8221;common sense.&#8221; The same common sense that has<br />
 nourished hatred of anything different, from racism, to electric cars.</p>
<p>I strongly believe tangible property rights are different from intangible rights (to whatever degree you supprt them), and anywhere the two ideas might meet, tangible property must be preserved. This means intangible rights will not exist at some extremes (for example, they should not prevent physical use of any equipment you own, subject to everyone else&#8217;s physical rights), and that is fine: because real things matter most.</p>
<p>If he really does think the two are equivalent then he is stuck in the same mud as every other &#8220;good old country boy&#8221; politician out there who&#8217;s arguing from analogy and completely out of touch with reality.If so, it&#8217;s a shame. I thought Ron had clarity on some other issues.</p>
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		<title>By: chris jimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris jimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought it was about support for the rights of the individual, but I guess they think it means &quot;the rights of the individual (which can also magically mean &quot;corporation&quot; now) to exploit others for profit.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought it was about support for the rights of the individual, but I guess they think it means &#8220;the rights of the individual (which can also magically mean &#8220;corporation&#8221; now) to exploit others for profit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: chris jimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris jimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So. . . do they think all roads should be toll roads too?

The thing about infrastructure is: it exists for all of us, not just those willing to pay more for premium service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So. . . do they think all roads should be toll roads too?</p>
<p>The thing about infrastructure is: it exists for all of us, not just those willing to pay more for premium service.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Brewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Brewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heaven forbid that internet providers should be *forced* by democratic government to allow access to sites that don&#039;t promote their interests or share their ideological perspective. That would be a violation of the free speech rights of private property.  Democracy is tyranny! Free speech is for those who can afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heaven forbid that internet providers should be *forced* by democratic government to allow access to sites that don&#8217;t promote their interests or share their ideological perspective. That would be a violation of the free speech rights of private property.  Democracy is tyranny! Free speech is for those who can afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Mielke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Mielke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(A) would be valid only if RP (either) actually acknowledged women as individuals and/or people. Like all pro-lifers, they do not. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(A) would be valid only if RP (either) actually acknowledged women as individuals and/or people. Like all pro-lifers, they do not. </p>
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		<title>By: Churba S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Churba S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote Ron Paul - &quot; “Internet freedom” means the destruction of property rights.&quot;

Copied directly from the above manifesto, too. Reading the whole thing, it seems to indicate he is considering imaginary property rights - like the digital echos you mentioned - to be identical to regular property rights that he apparently fights for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote Ron Paul &#8211; &#8221; “Internet freedom” means the destruction of property rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Copied directly from the above manifesto, too. Reading the whole thing, it seems to indicate he is considering imaginary property rights &#8211; like the digital echos you mentioned &#8211; to be identical to regular property rights that he apparently fights for.</p>
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		<title>By: Churba S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Churba S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> A lot of them won&#039;t care. You&#039;d be surprised by the number of Paul supporters whose political ideas boil down to &quot;Whatever Ron Paul says. Vote Ron Paul.&quot;

They&#039;ll defend this. They&#039;ll stand against anyone who says Net Neutrality is a good thing - hell, there are already people in that crowd who believe it&#039;s evil collectivist nonsense without any prompting, it isn&#039;t going to be a hard sell for Paul.

And the reason? Because they DON&#039;T think it&#039;s a strike against them, they think it&#039;s a blow for their personal freedom, and they&#039;ll be livin&#039; in a libertarian wonderland if he manages his goals. 

They think that the people fighting FOR Net Neutrality are the ones trying to restrict their freedoms, who are working against them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> A lot of them won&#8217;t care. You&#8217;d be surprised by the number of Paul supporters whose political ideas boil down to &#8220;Whatever Ron Paul says. Vote Ron Paul.&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll defend this. They&#8217;ll stand against anyone who says Net Neutrality is a good thing &#8211; hell, there are already people in that crowd who believe it&#8217;s evil collectivist nonsense without any prompting, it isn&#8217;t going to be a hard sell for Paul.</p>
<p>And the reason? Because they DON&#8217;T think it&#8217;s a strike against them, they think it&#8217;s a blow for their personal freedom, and they&#8217;ll be livin&#8217; in a libertarian wonderland if he manages his goals. </p>
<p>They think that the people fighting FOR Net Neutrality are the ones trying to restrict their freedoms, who are working against them.</p>
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		<title>By: Churba S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Churba S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 01:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, Reddit has been pretty against Ron Paul for a while now, it&#039;s not been hard-core for Ron Paul since 2008, and this year, it really took a hard dive, especially after it came out that he has other opinions beside &quot;Legalise pot!&quot;. 

There are very few places on Reddit where Ron/Rand Paul are terribly well liked anymore, pretty much only the libertarian or Ron Paul supporter subreddits - admittedly, they had a big thing with spamming other reddits for a while, but they&#039;ve really cut down on that annoying bullshit of late, except for a small handful few exceptionally loud users, and even they mostly seek out places where people are speaking ill of Paul, and trying to start fights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, Reddit has been pretty against Ron Paul for a while now, it&#8217;s not been hard-core for Ron Paul since 2008, and this year, it really took a hard dive, especially after it came out that he has other opinions beside &#8220;Legalise pot!&#8221;. </p>
<p>There are very few places on Reddit where Ron/Rand Paul are terribly well liked anymore, pretty much only the libertarian or Ron Paul supporter subreddits &#8211; admittedly, they had a big thing with spamming other reddits for a while, but they&#8217;ve really cut down on that annoying bullshit of late, except for a small handful few exceptionally loud users, and even they mostly seek out places where people are speaking ill of Paul, and trying to start fights.</p>
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		<title>By: SoItBegins</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoItBegins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 01:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> FOR SALE: 256-bit encryption and tinfoil hats.</description>
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