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	<title>Comments on: NYT series on genetically-targeted cancer&#160;treatments</title>
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		<title>By: Luna</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472903</link>
		<dc:creator>Luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Thanks, I read through it. Both scary and encouraging.</description>
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		<title>By: Luna</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472894</link>
		<dc:creator>Luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> That is a really useful link, thank you for sharing it. One of the things I&#039;ve learned is that patients have to take an active role in their treatment and do a lot of the research and legwork. Even though our doctors are highly educated and informed in their field, they can&#039;t be on top of everything 100% of the time. 

:) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> That is a really useful link, thank you for sharing it. One of the things I&#8217;ve learned is that patients have to take an active role in their treatment and do a lot of the research and legwork. Even though our doctors are highly educated and informed in their field, they can&#8217;t be on top of everything 100% of the time. </p>
<p>:) </p>
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		<title>By: Luna</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472882</link>
		<dc:creator>Luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> *smile* Thanks. I&#039;m pretty stubborn and have for too much stuff to do yet before I go. Maybe in a few years, they&#039;ll be saying this genetically-targeted treatment is something to try for me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> *smile* Thanks. I&#8217;m pretty stubborn and have for too much stuff to do yet before I go. Maybe in a few years, they&#8217;ll be saying this genetically-targeted treatment is something to try for me too.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472798</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, cheap sequencing of both host and cancer could enable that genetic taxonomy of cancer thing I heard about on some TED talk or other (was it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ted.com/talks/danny_hillis_two_frontiers_of_cancer_treatment.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one?&lt;/a&gt;). Which might help in focusing research rather than using, as you say, the shotgun approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, cheap sequencing of both host and cancer could enable that genetic taxonomy of cancer thing I heard about on some TED talk or other (was it <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/danny_hillis_two_frontiers_of_cancer_treatment.html" rel="nofollow">this one?</a>). Which might help in focusing research rather than using, as you say, the shotgun approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Shaffer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472797</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s becoming more common for clinical trials to include at least a subgroup with a specific target mutation. The real problem is matching drugs with specific mutations that can be tested. It is my understanding that the FDA is vigorously encouraging companion diagnostics and looks favorably on genetic analysis in cancer trials, when possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s becoming more common for clinical trials to include at least a subgroup with a specific target mutation. The real problem is matching drugs with specific mutations that can be tested. It is my understanding that the FDA is vigorously encouraging companion diagnostics and looks favorably on genetic analysis in cancer trials, when possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Shaffer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472782</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not as unfeasible as it sounds. Insurance companies pay out millions of dollars for standard treatments for cancer patients, which generally involve a sequential shotgun approach of first-line, second-line, third-line, fourth-line, and salvage therapies, in order from highest success rates to lowest. Sequencing the whole genome and targeting the specific genetic defect (if possible) would cost tens of thousands of dollars retail, but would still be vastly cheaper than the whole nine yards described above. The real question is how many people would be lucky enough to have an addressable genetic defect with an already-approved drug on the market. We don&#039;t have many of those &quot;slam dunk&quot; types of drugs just yet. The development of a diversity of targeted drugs will be more of a challenge than making the sequencing affordable. You can now sequence the human exome for on the order of $1000, and the analysis can be largely automated using bioinformatics software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not as unfeasible as it sounds. Insurance companies pay out millions of dollars for standard treatments for cancer patients, which generally involve a sequential shotgun approach of first-line, second-line, third-line, fourth-line, and salvage therapies, in order from highest success rates to lowest. Sequencing the whole genome and targeting the specific genetic defect (if possible) would cost tens of thousands of dollars retail, but would still be vastly cheaper than the whole nine yards described above. The real question is how many people would be lucky enough to have an addressable genetic defect with an already-approved drug on the market. We don&#8217;t have many of those &#8220;slam dunk&#8221; types of drugs just yet. The development of a diversity of targeted drugs will be more of a challenge than making the sequencing affordable. You can now sequence the human exome for on the order of $1000, and the analysis can be largely automated using bioinformatics software.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Shaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your friends and family may be misinformed about your diagnosis, but there is actually quite a bit of research in rare cancers, because of the orphan drug act. If you search for your cancer on clinicaltrials.gov, there&#039;s a good chance you will find active clinical trials specific to your disease. Good luck to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your friends and family may be misinformed about your diagnosis, but there is actually quite a bit of research in rare cancers, because of the orphan drug act. If you search for your cancer on clinicaltrials.gov, there&#8217;s a good chance you will find active clinical trials specific to your disease. Good luck to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Rombouts</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472388</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Rombouts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently read the Walter Isaacson biography of Steve Jobs, and as I recall Jobs also had this type of genetic sequencing done for his cancer.  (I think, at the time, for a cost of roughly $100,000)  Further, because Jobs had a private jet at his disposal, he was able to get on organ donor waiting lists in two states, and as a result indeed did get his liver transplant in Memphis, Tennesse rather than in California where he lived.  I don&#039;t begrudge Jobs for this, because I&#039;m sure if I had his wealth I would have done the same to try and live a little longer, but to me those two stories just highlighted even more that in the United States health care for the wealthy is very different than health care for the 99%

- TWR
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently read the Walter Isaacson biography of Steve Jobs, and as I recall Jobs also had this type of genetic sequencing done for his cancer.  (I think, at the time, for a cost of roughly $100,000)  Further, because Jobs had a private jet at his disposal, he was able to get on organ donor waiting lists in two states, and as a result indeed did get his liver transplant in Memphis, Tennesse rather than in California where he lived.  I don&#8217;t begrudge Jobs for this, because I&#8217;m sure if I had his wealth I would have done the same to try and live a little longer, but to me those two stories just highlighted even more that in the United States health care for the wealthy is very different than health care for the 99%</p>
<p>- TWR</p>
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		<title>By: bigfatlamer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472367</link>
		<dc:creator>bigfatlamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are actually a small number of trials currently open that do this right. The one I&#039;m most familiar with is called &quot;MOTHER&quot; and enrolls patients with lung and thymic cancers into one of 6 or 7 different pathways based on mutations discovered (or not) in their tumor samples. Each pathway then has 3 or 4 drugs at any one time. It&#039;s kind of a randomized Phase I trial. The downside is that there&#039;s no comparison to standard of care therapy so, while we&#039;ll probably learn what works, we won&#039;t know if it&#039;s any better than what&#039;s already out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are actually a small number of trials currently open that do this right. The one I&#8217;m most familiar with is called &#8220;MOTHER&#8221; and enrolls patients with lung and thymic cancers into one of 6 or 7 different pathways based on mutations discovered (or not) in their tumor samples. Each pathway then has 3 or 4 drugs at any one time. It&#8217;s kind of a randomized Phase I trial. The downside is that there&#8217;s no comparison to standard of care therapy so, while we&#8217;ll probably learn what works, we won&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s any better than what&#8217;s already out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston Sturges</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472361</link>
		<dc:creator>Preston Sturges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;......It has plunged dramatically to the point where the analysis is the costly part.  As I write this I am doing a preliminary analysis of a human sample that just came off of our Illumina hiSeq2000 sequencer.  Raw sequencing cost -- about $3000.....&quot;
Regrettably, the people running these operations are basically temps who don&#039;t know/don&#039;t care what goes or what comes out, and lab managers who will OK nearly anything to keep their numbers up.   You may make the best typewriter in the world, but it won&#039;t help that team of monkeys crank out King Lear. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;It has plunged dramatically to the point where the analysis is the costly part.  As I write this I am doing a preliminary analysis of a human sample that just came off of our Illumina hiSeq2000 sequencer.  Raw sequencing cost &#8212; about $3000&#8230;..&#8221;<br />
Regrettably, the people running these operations are basically temps who don&#8217;t know/don&#8217;t care what goes or what comes out, and lab managers who will OK nearly anything to keep their numbers up.   You may make the best typewriter in the world, but it won&#8217;t help that team of monkeys crank out King Lear. </p>
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		<title>By: bigfatlamer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472356</link>
		<dc:creator>bigfatlamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Re: to Rick Westerman (it wouldn&#039;t let me reply to him...we&#039;re too deep now).... Would that it were so but the stark, clinical reality is that, even in tumors where a targetable mutation is found, a drug is available, and there is clinical activity, the rate at which tumors can bypass that single, targetable mutation with another mutation or 10 approaches 100%. 

We actually have amazing targeted therapies (think vemurafenib for V600E mutated melanoma or crizotinib for EML-ALK4 fused lung cancer) but they&#039;re unfortunately not curing (m)any people. Block pathway X (driver mutation) and pathway Y (passenger mutation?) emerges and your magic drug (which goes for $10K/month BTW) is less effective than an aspirin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Re: to Rick Westerman (it wouldn&#8217;t let me reply to him&#8230;we&#8217;re too deep now)&#8230;. Would that it were so but the stark, clinical reality is that, even in tumors where a targetable mutation is found, a drug is available, and there is clinical activity, the rate at which tumors can bypass that single, targetable mutation with another mutation or 10 approaches 100%. </p>
<p>We actually have amazing targeted therapies (think vemurafenib for V600E mutated melanoma or crizotinib for EML-ALK4 fused lung cancer) but they&#8217;re unfortunately not curing (m)any people. Block pathway X (driver mutation) and pathway Y (passenger mutation?) emerges and your magic drug (which goes for $10K/month BTW) is less effective than an aspirin.</p>
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		<title>By: firstbakingbook</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472317</link>
		<dc:creator>firstbakingbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: gsilas

 Detecting the mutations following sequencing is not &quot;trivial&quot;. It is an active area of research. There is currently very little agreement between the five or so mutation callers that are in development. It&#039;s a very, very hard problem.</description>
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<p> Detecting the mutations following sequencing is not &#8220;trivial&#8221;. It is an active area of research. There is currently very little agreement between the five or so mutation callers that are in development. It&#8217;s a very, very hard problem.</p>
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		<title>By: AnneMarie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472304</link>
		<dc:creator>AnneMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see this website:  https://www.23andme.com/  I haven&#039;t been able to focus properly but this certainly fits with the discussion.  Hope you are healing.  Think of you all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see this website:  https://www.23andme.com/  I haven&#8217;t been able to focus properly but this certainly fits with the discussion.  Hope you are healing.  Think of you all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: gsilas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472225</link>
		<dc:creator>gsilas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Rick Westerman

I would tend to agree with bigfatlamer.  An under appreciated aspect of tumor genetics that has been recently discovered that I mentioned in another comment is the genetic heterogeneity.  The mutation rate in tumors is so high that there is never just a single mutation that we can easily screen for and target; at best, we can detect all the mutations and attempt to whittle that list down to the potentially harmful ones which regulate mitosis, for example.  Detecting the mutations following sequencing is trivial, selecting for the harmful ones is much less so, and doing so correctly is extremely difficult.

In an ideal scenario with early tumor detection, there may be a single harmful mutation that we can target.  But, more likely is an array of harmful mutations, and even knocking out the most damaging leaves an intact field of blood vessels that are ready to supply the next most harmful mutation with nutrients.  That is why part of the reason remission is so common, and how tumors gain resistance to chemotherapeutics like bacterial colonies do to antibiotics.

Early detection is, and will always be, on of the most important factors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Rick Westerman</p>
<p>I would tend to agree with bigfatlamer.  An under appreciated aspect of tumor genetics that has been recently discovered that I mentioned in another comment is the genetic heterogeneity.  The mutation rate in tumors is so high that there is never just a single mutation that we can easily screen for and target; at best, we can detect all the mutations and attempt to whittle that list down to the potentially harmful ones which regulate mitosis, for example.  Detecting the mutations following sequencing is trivial, selecting for the harmful ones is much less so, and doing so correctly is extremely difficult.</p>
<p>In an ideal scenario with early tumor detection, there may be a single harmful mutation that we can target.  But, more likely is an array of harmful mutations, and even knocking out the most damaging leaves an intact field of blood vessels that are ready to supply the next most harmful mutation with nutrients.  That is why part of the reason remission is so common, and how tumors gain resistance to chemotherapeutics like bacterial colonies do to antibiotics.</p>
<p>Early detection is, and will always be, on of the most important factors.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Westerman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472188</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Westerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has plunged dramatically to the point where the analysis is the costly part.  As I write this I am doing a preliminary analysis of a human sample that just came off of our Illumina hiSeq2000 sequencer.  Raw sequencing cost -- about $3000.  Analysis cost -- much higher unless the analysis is &quot;common&quot;.  And if the analysis does show something interesting -- say a cancer causing agent -- the cost to target that will be very high.  Dr. Wartman was lucky to find out that his cancer was treatable by an already known cure.  

I am not sure I agree with bigfatlamer that &quot;they&#039;d publish another 48 stories where a specific, targetable mutation was found and the patient received the targeted therapy and it did F*** all and 6 months later the patient was dead&quot; because if the targetable mutation is found and we have the therapy then the cure rate should be non-negligible.  But certainly I would agree another 48 (or 480) stories should be published where the mutation was not found or the mutation is not targetable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has plunged dramatically to the point where the analysis is the costly part.  As I write this I am doing a preliminary analysis of a human sample that just came off of our Illumina hiSeq2000 sequencer.  Raw sequencing cost &#8212; about $3000.  Analysis cost &#8212; much higher unless the analysis is &#8220;common&#8221;.  And if the analysis does show something interesting &#8212; say a cancer causing agent &#8212; the cost to target that will be very high.  Dr. Wartman was lucky to find out that his cancer was treatable by an already known cure.  </p>
<p>I am not sure I agree with bigfatlamer that &#8220;they&#8217;d publish another 48 stories where a specific, targetable mutation was found and the patient received the targeted therapy and it did F*** all and 6 months later the patient was dead&#8221; because if the targetable mutation is found and we have the therapy then the cure rate should be non-negligible.  But certainly I would agree another 48 (or 480) stories should be published where the mutation was not found or the mutation is not targetable.</p>
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		<title>By: gsilas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472162</link>
		<dc:creator>gsilas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t intending to dump on the FDA, just point out one blockage for the adoption of personalized medicine.

Currently clinical trials focus on populations of a certain cancer, but not a certain mutation.  To target mutations with clinical trials would require vast and widespread sequencing of every potential enrollee, with +95% discarded for lacking the desired mutation.  Thus, the clinical trial model is a blockage for personalized medicine.

The alternative proposition that was popularized by Andrew Grove (where safety, not efficacy is measured) would allow experimental cancer drugs through, which could then be administered as last resort to patients with the targeted mutation.  This makes a lot of sense for cancer, but could be disastrous for nearly every other disease.---What those &quot;scientists&quot; (ugh) at Duke did was so reprehensible, it is mind boggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t intending to dump on the FDA, just point out one blockage for the adoption of personalized medicine.</p>
<p>Currently clinical trials focus on populations of a certain cancer, but not a certain mutation.  To target mutations with clinical trials would require vast and widespread sequencing of every potential enrollee, with +95% discarded for lacking the desired mutation.  Thus, the clinical trial model is a blockage for personalized medicine.</p>
<p>The alternative proposition that was popularized by Andrew Grove (where safety, not efficacy is measured) would allow experimental cancer drugs through, which could then be administered as last resort to patients with the targeted mutation.  This makes a lot of sense for cancer, but could be disastrous for nearly every other disease.&#8212;What those &#8220;scientists&#8221; (ugh) at Duke did was so reprehensible, it is mind boggling.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston Sturges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston Sturges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t dump the FDA just yet, because we still have to  weed out bad science from folks  like the people at  Duke who were faking the data so they could spin off their company, when they weren&#039;t busy with their interoffice/extramarital affairs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t dump the FDA just yet, because we still have to  weed out bad science from folks  like the people at  Duke who were faking the data so they could spin off their company, when they weren&#8217;t busy with their interoffice/extramarital affairs. </p>
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		<title>By: Preston Sturges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston Sturges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The price of sequencing was supposed to have plunged by 1998, which was why they started the the Human Genome Project.</description>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, gsilas.  I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/09/health/new-frontiers-of-cancer-treatment-bring-breathtaking-swings.html?pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this NYT article&lt;/a&gt; that also goes into depth about the complexity in the section called &quot;Three Billion Symbols in a Cell&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, gsilas.  I found <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/09/health/new-frontiers-of-cancer-treatment-bring-breathtaking-swings.html?pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">this NYT article</a> that also goes into depth about the complexity in the section called &#8220;Three Billion Symbols in a Cell&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BombBlastLightingWaltz</title>
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		<dc:creator>BombBlastLightingWaltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quiet comfort. My mom has been told twice in her life (once at age 24 of skin cancer, then 37 of Hogkins) she has cancer and will not survive. She is a very tenacious and stubborn women. Both those doctors have since died and she survived her treatments, now is 64. As she puts it, &quot;No Friggin doctor is going to tell me I&#039;m going to die till I&#039;m good and ready.&quot; 

Was it her will power or the actual medical procedures? Little of both perhaps. 

My best friend died of Hogkins, I still miss him 16 years later. He gave up.

Never give up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quiet comfort. My mom has been told twice in her life (once at age 24 of skin cancer, then 37 of Hogkins) she has cancer and will not survive. She is a very tenacious and stubborn women. Both those doctors have since died and she survived her treatments, now is 64. As she puts it, &#8220;No Friggin doctor is going to tell me I&#8217;m going to die till I&#8217;m good and ready.&#8221; </p>
<p>Was it her will power or the actual medical procedures? Little of both perhaps. </p>
<p>My best friend died of Hogkins, I still miss him 16 years later. He gave up.</p>
<p>Never give up.</p>
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		<title>By: Halloween_Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halloween_Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I know I&#039;m not alone in feeling like the treatment I am receiving now will one day be perceived as blunt and barbaric, when genetically-targeted therapies like the ones outlined in these stories become the norm.&lt;/i&gt;

Little-known fact: in addition to the transporter, Leonard McCoy avoided time travel whenever possible. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I know I&#8217;m not alone in feeling like the treatment I am receiving now will one day be perceived as blunt and barbaric, when genetically-targeted therapies like the ones outlined in these stories become the norm.</i></p>
<p>Little-known fact: in addition to the transporter, Leonard McCoy avoided time travel whenever possible. </p>
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		<title>By: gsilas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472112</link>
		<dc:creator>gsilas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now, we can&#039;t find the correct Waldo.  Re: bigfatlamer, above.

A more complicated but much more accurate analogy, imagine a beach scene of perfect Waldo impersonators (each representing a genetic mutation), at least one of which has a gun in his pocket and severe mental illness (the active, problematic mutation).  Many others have knives and guns (also harmful mutations).  Even if we use an advanced metal detector, we will have difficulty separating the innocuous Waldo&#039;s from the harmful ones.  We&#039;re currently working on making our advanced metal detector smarter and our profiling more accurate using computational analysis and whole genome sequencing, but there could be 10 psychotic gun wielding Waldo&#039;s and you will be damn lucky if you can identify all of them.

And regarding Big Medicine, there are always some bad apples among any group of people, but we scientists who are busting our asses trying to help take offense to the widespread, blind cynicism that we frequently face (note: I work for a cancer center and not pharma).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now, we can&#8217;t find the correct Waldo.  Re: bigfatlamer, above.</p>
<p>A more complicated but much more accurate analogy, imagine a beach scene of perfect Waldo impersonators (each representing a genetic mutation), at least one of which has a gun in his pocket and severe mental illness (the active, problematic mutation).  Many others have knives and guns (also harmful mutations).  Even if we use an advanced metal detector, we will have difficulty separating the innocuous Waldo&#8217;s from the harmful ones.  We&#8217;re currently working on making our advanced metal detector smarter and our profiling more accurate using computational analysis and whole genome sequencing, but there could be 10 psychotic gun wielding Waldo&#8217;s and you will be damn lucky if you can identify all of them.</p>
<p>And regarding Big Medicine, there are always some bad apples among any group of people, but we scientists who are busting our asses trying to help take offense to the widespread, blind cynicism that we frequently face (note: I work for a cancer center and not pharma).</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know much about cancer but I do know the sequencing part is going to be comparatively very cheap within a few years, and maybe that will do some good. There must be other angles though like many new targeted drug delivery methods and things that we have frankly not thought of yet. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know much about cancer but I do know the sequencing part is going to be comparatively very cheap within a few years, and maybe that will do some good. There must be other angles though like many new targeted drug delivery methods and things that we have frankly not thought of yet. </p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472091</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; it is more like finding the correct waldo in a beach scene filled with perfect waldo impersonators.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not following you there.  If you can find the correct Waldo, they aren&#039;t &lt;i&gt;perfect&lt;/i&gt; impersonators.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Big Medicine&quot; is helping to do their part, they aren&#039;t evil and trying to steal your money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Some are, some aren&#039;t.  It&#039;s not really that black and white, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> it is more like finding the correct waldo in a beach scene filled with perfect waldo impersonators.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not following you there.  If you can find the correct Waldo, they aren&#8217;t <i>perfect</i> impersonators.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Big Medicine&#8221; is helping to do their part, they aren&#8217;t evil and trying to steal your money.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some are, some aren&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s not really that black and white, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rate of change in science based largely on the accelerating rate of data accumulation and our ability to analyze it gives hope for a lot of things including a cure for cancer. What if like the influenza M1 protein (and no, I don&#039;t confuse influenza with cancer) there might be some universal commonality to cancer that we have not found yet. Right now it looks like a forest but there might be that one tree in every forest that if you kill it, the rest dies. Wild speculation but I&#039;d still guess someone out there is thinking along these lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rate of change in science based largely on the accelerating rate of data accumulation and our ability to analyze it gives hope for a lot of things including a cure for cancer. What if like the influenza M1 protein (and no, I don&#8217;t confuse influenza with cancer) there might be some universal commonality to cancer that we have not found yet. Right now it looks like a forest but there might be that one tree in every forest that if you kill it, the rest dies. Wild speculation but I&#8217;d still guess someone out there is thinking along these lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472085</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;no lab would ever accept that info, and would insist on doing (and charging for) their own sequencing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Maybe the Kickstarter needs to fund a lab too then?  Or maybe some will do it for the positive exposure and/or charity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>no lab would ever accept that info, and would insist on doing (and charging for) their own sequencing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe the Kickstarter needs to fund a lab too then?  Or maybe some will do it for the positive exposure and/or charity?</p>
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		<title>By: bigfatlamer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472078</link>
		<dc:creator>bigfatlamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to post this exact same response...thanks to gsilas for doing it. 
We are honestly working as hard and as fast as we can. And some of us are working on both fronts of the battle (I&#039;m an oncologist and a basic scientist). And this (NYT) story is awesome for Dr. Wartman. But the practical reality is that, if they were to make this a realistic series, they&#039;d publish another 48 stories where a specific, targetable mutation was found and the patient received the targeted therapy and it did F*** all and 6 months later the patient was dead. Because that is the unfortunate reality.

I work at an institution where nearly every rare (6 months) response to treatment.

I don&#039;t mean to downplay the importance of the work done by the group at WashU, or the importance of any individual life. I only mean to temper the &quot;OMFG...why can&#039;t we all have all our tumors sequenced right now...are you trying to kill me?!?!&quot; with a little reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to post this exact same response&#8230;thanks to gsilas for doing it. <br />
We are honestly working as hard and as fast as we can. And some of us are working on both fronts of the battle (I&#8217;m an oncologist and a basic scientist). And this (NYT) story is awesome for Dr. Wartman. But the practical reality is that, if they were to make this a realistic series, they&#8217;d publish another 48 stories where a specific, targetable mutation was found and the patient received the targeted therapy and it did F*** all and 6 months later the patient was dead. Because that is the unfortunate reality.</p>
<p>I work at an institution where nearly every rare (6 months) response to treatment.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to downplay the importance of the work done by the group at WashU, or the importance of any individual life. I only mean to temper the &#8220;OMFG&#8230;why can&#8217;t we all have all our tumors sequenced right now&#8230;are you trying to kill me?!?!&#8221; with a little reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy's Point</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472075</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy's Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s treatments will some day be seen as blunt and barbaric. &quot;Some day&quot; can&#039;t come fast enough.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s treatments will some day be seen as blunt and barbaric. &#8220;Some day&#8221; can&#8217;t come fast enough.  </p>
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		<title>By: gsilas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/nyt-series-on-genetic-targeted.html#comment-1472068</link>
		<dc:creator>gsilas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are two relevant links to large scale tumor sequencing studies (that aren&#039;t primary literature behind a paywall).

2011 - Heterogeneity of genetic mutations among breast cancer -
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110402/full/news.2011.203.html

2012 - Heterogeneity of genetic mutations within a single tumor -
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-07/cancer-scans-may-give-false-picture-of-genes-driving-disease-study-finds.html

While it is easy to take a pessimistic look after reading the second article, I am greatly inspired by just how quickly our understanding of cancer is progressing, even now.  There is so much more to learn, and every little bit improves treatment across the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two relevant links to large scale tumor sequencing studies (that aren&#8217;t primary literature behind a paywall).</p>
<p>2011 - Heterogeneity of genetic mutations among breast cancer -<br />
<a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110402/full/news.2011.203.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110402/full/news.2011.203.html</a></p>
<p>2012 - Heterogeneity of genetic mutations within a single tumor -<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-07/cancer-scans-may-give-false-picture-of-genes-driving-disease-study-finds.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-07/cancer-scans-may-give-false-picture-of-genes-driving-disease-study-finds.html</a></p>
<p>While it is easy to take a pessimistic look after reading the second article, I am greatly inspired by just how quickly our understanding of cancer is progressing, even now.  There is so much more to learn, and every little bit improves treatment across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is helpful -- I didn&#039;t know that: &quot;People seem to think that finding the correct mutation is like finding the misspelled word in a manuscript, but it is more like finding the correct waldo in a beach scene filled with perfect waldo impersonators.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is helpful &#8212; I didn&#8217;t know that: &#8220;People seem to think that finding the correct mutation is like finding the misspelled word in a manuscript, but it is more like finding the correct waldo in a beach scene filled with perfect waldo impersonators.&#8221; </p>
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