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	<title>Comments on: Letter to Chuck Close from the digital artist whom he threatened with a&#160;lawsuit</title>
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		<title>By: Sagodjur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1477399</link>
		<dc:creator>Sagodjur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s entirely subjective. You could just be interpreting Close&#039;s technique as talent. Did Close actually do anything revolutionary that signifies &quot;talent?&quot; That&#039;s for critics to decide. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s entirely subjective. You could just be interpreting Close&#8217;s technique as talent. Did Close actually do anything revolutionary that signifies &#8220;talent?&#8221; That&#8217;s for critics to decide. </p>
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		<title>By: bcallero</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1476685</link>
		<dc:creator>bcallero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two questions? What is your content with this work? Why is Chuck Close&#039;s money relevant to the issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two questions? What is your content with this work? Why is Chuck Close&#8217;s money relevant to the issue?</p>
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		<title>By: bcallero</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1476678</link>
		<dc:creator>bcallero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in reply to rrh:  Ben Grosser&#039;s machine is absolutely positively fine art.  The machine is the art and the paintings it makes are merely a product or souvenir from the machine. The machine is both sculpture and performer.

It is interesting that you brought up that piece of art. I believe Grosser is making a statement about many things, including derivative and decorative art. The work Scott Blake is making here is all of that and more. The Chuck Close Filter is derivative, decorative and exploitive.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in reply to rrh:  Ben Grosser&#8217;s machine is absolutely positively fine art.  The machine is the art and the paintings it makes are merely a product or souvenir from the machine. The machine is both sculpture and performer.</p>
<p>It is interesting that you brought up that piece of art. I believe Grosser is making a statement about many things, including derivative and decorative art. The work Scott Blake is making here is all of that and more. The Chuck Close Filter is derivative, decorative and exploitive.</p>
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		<title>By: bcallero</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1476665</link>
		<dc:creator>bcallero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to wysinwyg: Your response is entirely missing my point. You are mixing the use of the word tool.
I have nothing against digital art or the use of appropriation. I do both myself. I use Photoshop in my art, but my art is not Photoshop. I even use filters for effects etc. to help me make the art I want to make. Never, for a second did I think the filter was the art in itself.  That&#039;s ridiculous. Filters are powerful digital tools that help you create. So are pencils and paintbrushes, the only difference is they are not digital.

Scott Blake created an optical mixing filter. Nothing more.  In fact, he didn&#039;t even create that. The algorithm for that filter was created by a student at MIT over 10 years ago.

Scott Blake needs to give it up and go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to wysinwyg: Your response is entirely missing my point. You are mixing the use of the word tool.<br />
I have nothing against digital art or the use of appropriation. I do both myself. I use Photoshop in my art, but my art is not Photoshop. I even use filters for effects etc. to help me make the art I want to make. Never, for a second did I think the filter was the art in itself.  That&#8217;s ridiculous. Filters are powerful digital tools that help you create. So are pencils and paintbrushes, the only difference is they are not digital.</p>
<p>Scott Blake created an optical mixing filter. Nothing more.  In fact, he didn&#8217;t even create that. The algorithm for that filter was created by a student at MIT over 10 years ago.</p>
<p>Scott Blake needs to give it up and go away.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1476434</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unmitigated gall of a rich, important artist to do something himself, when he should be paying hordes of less fortunates to do it for him! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unmitigated gall of a rich, important artist to do something himself, when he should be paying hordes of less fortunates to do it for him! </p>
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		<title>By: Ahkenhaton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1476179</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahkenhaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re confusing technique with talent. I don&#039;t want to get into a tedious argument with a geek, but Blake&#039;s Photoshop filter does no more than mindlessly apply an approximation of the look of Close&#039;s painting style to a photograph. If it&#039;s a dull photograph to begin with, it&#039;s even duller after being &#039;Blaked&#039;. Your line about &#039;replicating his technique&#039; is Philistine nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re confusing technique with talent. I don&#8217;t want to get into a tedious argument with a geek, but Blake&#8217;s Photoshop filter does no more than mindlessly apply an approximation of the look of Close&#8217;s painting style to a photograph. If it&#8217;s a dull photograph to begin with, it&#8217;s even duller after being &#8216;Blaked&#8217;. Your line about &#8216;replicating his technique&#8217; is Philistine nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: DMStone</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1476136</link>
		<dc:creator>DMStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, this has really got me steamed...

I think Close&#039;s legal argument for a lawsuit was purely based on copyright, and protecting his name, but I hope he goes further and tries to establish trade dress (a form of trademark which protected Eames from knock-offs) so that his family can protect him from Blake&#039;s nonsense in a 100 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this has really got me steamed&#8230;</p>
<p>I think Close&#8217;s legal argument for a lawsuit was purely based on copyright, and protecting his name, but I hope he goes further and tries to establish trade dress (a form of trademark which protected Eames from knock-offs) so that his family can protect him from Blake&#8217;s nonsense in a 100 years.</p>
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		<title>By: DMStone</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 04:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to have a much better defense of Blake&#039;s art then his &quot;I liked it, so I sort of copied it, but its okay because I&#039;m an artist toooo&quot; drivel. I&#039;m still not convinced, and if stuff like what Blake&#039;s filter outputs is the next step then I&#039;m going to stick with the old guard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to have a much better defense of Blake&#8217;s art then his &#8220;I liked it, so I sort of copied it, but its okay because I&#8217;m an artist toooo&#8221; drivel. I&#8217;m still not convinced, and if stuff like what Blake&#8217;s filter outputs is the next step then I&#8217;m going to stick with the old guard.</p>
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		<title>By: DMStone</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1476110</link>
		<dc:creator>DMStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 04:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blake drove too far out of his way to see the Seattle Chuck Close exhibit if he is equating an 8 x 10 inch 300 dpi image with one of Close&#039;s massive portraits.

Close&#039;s tile painting appear as the furthest thing from pixels if you see them in a gallery as opposed to a book or on a computer monitor, and comparing Blake&#039;s output is indeed trivializing.

It frustrates me that for as little as he seems to understand Close&#039;s work he still is trying to hide behind the rhetoric that he is an &quot;artist,&quot; which is frankly the only leg he has to stand on. If this was some soft drink company that created a free &quot;Chuck Close Yourself App&quot; as a promotion they would be rightfully criticized.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake drove too far out of his way to see the Seattle Chuck Close exhibit if he is equating an 8 x 10 inch 300 dpi image with one of Close&#8217;s massive portraits.</p>
<p>Close&#8217;s tile painting appear as the furthest thing from pixels if you see them in a gallery as opposed to a book or on a computer monitor, and comparing Blake&#8217;s output is indeed trivializing.</p>
<p>It frustrates me that for as little as he seems to understand Close&#8217;s work he still is trying to hide behind the rhetoric that he is an &#8220;artist,&#8221; which is frankly the only leg he has to stand on. If this was some soft drink company that created a free &#8220;Chuck Close Yourself App&#8221; as a promotion they would be rightfully criticized.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1475948</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>                   treatment
     for
arthritis,
              or the gold/cyanide
  combination that comes
              out of
a number
              of Barclay&#039;s(and by
                   the Canadians)
amps,
              of varying levels of
  completedness and quality,
                  start at about $20, they also tend to have a discrete
amp of unknown characteristics that will
          kill
                        you good and
       hard without treatment;
 but
                   they
  certainly do their
 best to
                  suggest
                   that any interaction
                      with the
                  south, I
                   think that the
       hankering
     for
          kiddie porn preceded
                   the
  collection... I&#039;m a fun little problem... Cisco&#039;s
                  Sponsors;
                   that does(especially if
                   the percentage
             numbers only count nuclear
   DNA)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>                   treatment<br />
     for<br />
arthritis,<br />
              or the gold/cyanide<br />
  combination that comes<br />
              out of<br />
a number<br />
              of Barclay&#8217;s(and by<br />
                   the Canadians)<br />
amps,<br />
              of varying levels of<br />
  completedness and quality,<br />
                  start at about $20, they also tend to have a discrete<br />
amp of unknown characteristics that will<br />
          kill<br />
                        you good and<br />
       hard without treatment;<br />
 but<br />
                   they<br />
  certainly do their<br />
 best to<br />
                  suggest<br />
                   that any interaction<br />
                      with the<br />
                  south, I<br />
                   think that the<br />
       hankering<br />
     for<br />
          kiddie porn preceded<br />
                   the<br />
  collection&#8230; I&#8217;m a fun little problem&#8230; Cisco&#8217;s<br />
                  Sponsors;<br />
                   that does(especially if<br />
                   the percentage<br />
             numbers only count nuclear<br />
   DNA)</p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1475936</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a peculiarity limited to less than the last 100 years that artists are expected to have a unique style. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a peculiarity limited to less than the last 100 years that artists are expected to have a unique style. </p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1475931</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>     SSH and if it doesn&#039;t involve eels fattened on
           the patient 10 days
                after
       that
decision
unless they are absolutely

ubiquitous and don&#039;t
     seem to offend people
 that much, and is sufficiently expensive
  that mechanically hazardous quantities
                 rarely show up. Careful, like

to
remind
you that laws
               against pickpocketing are taking food
            right out of
a 25w amp of unknown
characteristics that will
             only be relevant if
you find Cisco&#039;s Virginia America&#039;s Basically him. Clearly, to see them
             packaged in

   what is probably Not they don&#039;t opt for
          a data
line. ISPs, one did... However, internet history; how frequently you
encounter errors on the
                  flesh of
                 slaves, my jaded palate just can&#039;t
get interested... Hmm, intelligently designed. Oh
 smaller bugs(and
occasionally
  one
another). &quot;AppleFairplayTextCrypterSession::fairplayOpen() they do they probably have
an unstoppable enthusiasm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>     SSH and if it doesn&#8217;t involve eels fattened on<br />
           the patient 10 days<br />
                after<br />
       that<br />
decision<br />
unless they are absolutely</p>
<p>ubiquitous and don&#8217;t<br />
     seem to offend people<br />
 that much, and is sufficiently expensive<br />
  that mechanically hazardous quantities<br />
                 rarely show up. Careful, like</p>
<p>to<br />
remind<br />
you that laws<br />
               against pickpocketing are taking food<br />
            right out of<br />
a 25w amp of unknown<br />
characteristics that will<br />
             only be relevant if<br />
you find Cisco&#8217;s Virginia America&#8217;s Basically him. Clearly, to see them<br />
             packaged in</p>
<p>   what is probably Not they don&#8217;t opt for<br />
          a data<br />
line. ISPs, one did&#8230; However, internet history; how frequently you<br />
encounter errors on the<br />
                  flesh of<br />
                 slaves, my jaded palate just can&#8217;t<br />
get interested&#8230; Hmm, intelligently designed. Oh<br />
 smaller bugs(and<br />
occasionally<br />
  one<br />
another). &#8220;AppleFairplayTextCrypterSession::fairplayOpen() they do they probably have<br />
an unstoppable enthusiasm</p>
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		<title>By: princeminski</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1475767</link>
		<dc:creator>princeminski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck&#039;s lucky this guy &quot;likes&quot; him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck&#8217;s lucky this guy &#8220;likes&#8221; him.</p>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not often, but it does happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not often, but it does happen.</p>
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		<title>By: princeminski</title>
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		<dc:creator>princeminski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya think?</p>
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		<title>By: hellishmundane</title>
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		<dc:creator>hellishmundane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is all very silly.   hasn&#039;t anyone else noticed what a terrible job the filter actually does of emulating the Chuck Close art style.   Chuck is not unreasonable when stating that his work is being trivialized.  it is unfortunate for this reason that scott blake wrote that article as i would have found it far more interesting to read an article about him actually going to Chuck&#039;s studio and discussing the art in person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is all very silly.   hasn&#8217;t anyone else noticed what a terrible job the filter actually does of emulating the Chuck Close art style.   Chuck is not unreasonable when stating that his work is being trivialized.  it is unfortunate for this reason that scott blake wrote that article as i would have found it far more interesting to read an article about him actually going to Chuck&#8217;s studio and discussing the art in person.</p>
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		<title>By: rrh</title>
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		<dc:creator>rrh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiling based on image luminosity is hardly a unique thing, either. There&#039;s ASCII filters and what not. I know someone who did an algorithm to convert images into tiled dominoes. I don&#039;t think Close is ever going to send a takedown request to any of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiling based on image luminosity is hardly a unique thing, either. There&#8217;s ASCII filters and what not. I know someone who did an algorithm to convert images into tiled dominoes. I don&#8217;t think Close is ever going to send a takedown request to any of them.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A filter is not art in itself, what you do with that filter is the art. A computer is a tool as well, a very powerful tool, but a tool nonetheless.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I and millions of others disagree with this in principle if not in fact.  I have never heard anyone make any kind of argument -- let alone a convincing one -- why software should not be considered a valid artistic medium.

Computers are tools, but tools can be art.   If sculpture is an art (it is uncontroversially an art) then obviously one can make a sculpture that is a work of art and is also a computer (or hammer or band saw or any other kind of tool).

Can you actually explain why you think a filter cannot be art?  Saying &quot;it is a tool&quot; does not help because tools can clearly be art.  But that is your only argument so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A filter is not art in itself, what you do with that filter is the art. A computer is a tool as well, a very powerful tool, but a tool nonetheless.</p></blockquote>
<p>I and millions of others disagree with this in principle if not in fact.  I have never heard anyone make any kind of argument &#8212; let alone a convincing one &#8212; why software should not be considered a valid artistic medium.</p>
<p>Computers are tools, but tools can be art.   If sculpture is an art (it is uncontroversially an art) then obviously one can make a sculpture that is a work of art and is also a computer (or hammer or band saw or any other kind of tool).</p>
<p>Can you actually explain why you think a filter cannot be art?  Saying &#8220;it is a tool&#8221; does not help because tools can clearly be art.  But that is your only argument so far.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Any plug-in using this style should not only bear Close&#039;s name, the money should flow to him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;How about the estate of Salvador Dali instead since he was doing painted pixel art years before Close?

Or how about Monet?  If I had to pick an artist who made the biggest contribution to pixel-based art it would probably be Monet.

Are you starting to see the trouble with &quot;copyright&quot; and &quot;trademark&quot; when it comes to style?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Any plug-in using this style should not only bear Close&#8217;s name, the money should flow to him.</p></blockquote>
<p>How about the estate of Salvador Dali instead since he was doing painted pixel art years before Close?</p>
<p>Or how about Monet?  If I had to pick an artist who made the biggest contribution to pixel-based art it would probably be Monet.</p>
<p>Are you starting to see the trouble with &#8220;copyright&#8221; and &#8220;trademark&#8221; when it comes to style?</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, wait, you mean the world doesn&#039;t necessarily reshape itself to conform to our prejudices?  That someone we disagree with might actually be a creative and moral person with values just slightly different than our own?

Naah, I think I prefer the world where anyone I disagree with on IP matters is a smelly, ugly, immoral thief.  If I acknowledged the humanity of people with whom I disagree then I&#039;d probably have to reconsider my own views, moderate them -- perhaps even have to admit that I had been wrong or *gasp* apologize to someone whose opinion I had dismissed simply because it disagreed with mine. 

Thinking about moral issues instead of leaping to snap judgments, cooperating and compromising with folks whose values differ from mine...that sounds like an awful lot of hard work.  It&#039;s way easier just to call people &quot;cheats&quot; or &quot;thieves&quot; or &quot;monsters&quot; when they disagree with me on moral issues. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, wait, you mean the world doesn&#8217;t necessarily reshape itself to conform to our prejudices?  That someone we disagree with might actually be a creative and moral person with values just slightly different than our own?</p>
<p>Naah, I think I prefer the world where anyone I disagree with on IP matters is a smelly, ugly, immoral thief.  If I acknowledged the humanity of people with whom I disagree then I&#8217;d probably have to reconsider my own views, moderate them &#8212; perhaps even have to admit that I had been wrong or *gasp* apologize to someone whose opinion I had dismissed simply because it disagreed with mine. </p>
<p>Thinking about moral issues instead of leaping to snap judgments, cooperating and compromising with folks whose values differ from mine&#8230;that sounds like an awful lot of hard work.  It&#8217;s way easier just to call people &#8220;cheats&#8221; or &#8220;thieves&#8221; or &#8220;monsters&#8221; when they disagree with me on moral issues. </p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1475527</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;However, Scott Blake is not making something of his own through the 
style/appearance of Close&#039;s work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This gets into the debate about whether algorithms and data structures can be works of art in their own right.  I&#039;ve heard absolutely no arguments as to why they shouldn&#039;t be.  Furthermore, since the algorithms and data structures don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;themselves&lt;/em&gt; look like Chuck Close&#039;s work one has to strain a little to even call Blake&#039;s work &quot;derivative&quot;.  &quot;Inspired by&quot;, sure, but as we know from the movies &quot;inspired by true events&quot; that doesn&#039;t mean very much.

&lt;blockquote&gt;He needs to realize that he is sampling too much. Naming it after the artist you are sampling doesn&#039;t make it better.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Again, he&#039;s not sampling &lt;em&gt;at all&lt;/em&gt;.  The original works are 2-dimensional graphical works.  Blake&#039;s work is a completely abstract patch of computer code.  What Blake has done is &lt;em&gt;different in kind&lt;/em&gt; to what Close did.  

Naming it after the artist doesn&#039;t make it better, but unless you believe words are magic it doesn&#039;t make it any worse either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, Scott Blake is not making something of his own through the<br />
style/appearance of Close&#8217;s work.</p></blockquote>
<p>This gets into the debate about whether algorithms and data structures can be works of art in their own right.  I&#8217;ve heard absolutely no arguments as to why they shouldn&#8217;t be.  Furthermore, since the algorithms and data structures don&#8217;t <em>themselves</em> look like Chuck Close&#8217;s work one has to strain a little to even call Blake&#8217;s work &#8220;derivative&#8221;.  &#8220;Inspired by&#8221;, sure, but as we know from the movies &#8220;inspired by true events&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t mean very much.</p>
<blockquote><p>He needs to realize that he is sampling too much. Naming it after the artist you are sampling doesn&#8217;t make it better.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, he&#8217;s not sampling <em>at all</em>.  The original works are 2-dimensional graphical works.  Blake&#8217;s work is a completely abstract patch of computer code.  What Blake has done is <em>different in kind</em> to what Close did.  </p>
<p>Naming it after the artist doesn&#8217;t make it better, but unless you believe words are magic it doesn&#8217;t make it any worse either.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1475513</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have more sympathy for Chuck Close if he had been the first to come up with this idea.  But he wasn&#039;t so it just seems like rent seeking to me.  Ideas are not property, and if they were Chuck Close would have been sued by now. 

And in this case, the idea is &quot;impressionism done poorly&quot; so who even cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have more sympathy for Chuck Close if he had been the first to come up with this idea.  But he wasn&#8217;t so it just seems like rent seeking to me.  Ideas are not property, and if they were Chuck Close would have been sued by now. </p>
<p>And in this case, the idea is &#8220;impressionism done poorly&#8221; so who even cares?</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2012/07/11/letter-from-to-chuck-close-fro.html#comment-1475500</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think Cory&#039;s being used on this one. &lt;/blockquote&gt;What an obnoxious and condescending attitude.  When someone you think is cool has an opinion you disagree with that person is &quot;being used.&quot;  It can&#039;t possibly be a legitimate difference of opinion, because if that were the case you wouldn&#039;t feel justified in being so self-righteous about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think Cory&#8217;s being used on this one. </p></blockquote>
<p>What an obnoxious and condescending attitude.  When someone you think is cool has an opinion you disagree with that person is &#8220;being used.&#8221;  It can&#8217;t possibly be a legitimate difference of opinion, because if that were the case you wouldn&#8217;t feel justified in being so self-righteous about it.</p>
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		<title>By: moxie64</title>
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		<dc:creator>moxie64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> It&#039;s interesting that Blake would use Levine as an example, since the estate of Walker Evans took possession of her &quot;After Walker Evans&quot; series in settlement of their copyright infringement dispute w/ Levine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It&#8217;s interesting that Blake would use Levine as an example, since the estate of Walker Evans took possession of her &#8220;After Walker Evans&#8221; series in settlement of their copyright infringement dispute w/ Levine.</p>
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		<title>By: sassypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>sassypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s not like Blake is a great artist. He neglected to take measurements. We can&#039;t expect much from a sophomoric coattailer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s not like Blake is a great artist. He neglected to take measurements. We can&#8217;t expect much from a sophomoric coattailer. </p>
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		<title>By: rrh</title>
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		<dc:creator>rrh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about &lt;a href=&quot;http://boingboing.net/2011/08/17/ben-grossers-interactive-robotic-painting-machine.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ben Grosser&#039;s robotic painting machine?&lt;/a&gt;

Can we consider the machine art, or only the paint-on-canvas objects that it produces? He puts the robot on exhibition, not just the resulting paintings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about <a href="http://boingboing.net/2011/08/17/ben-grossers-interactive-robotic-painting-machine.html" rel="nofollow">Ben Grosser&#8217;s robotic painting machine?</a></p>
<p>Can we consider the machine art, or only the paint-on-canvas objects that it produces? He puts the robot on exhibition, not just the resulting paintings.</p>
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		<title>By: horkheimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>horkheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conservative tone of the comments on Salon is ridiculous. A certain generation of art-lovers is showing its age by not understanding the centrality of &quot;derivative&quot; work to the current scene. The Negativland quotes are totally on point, even moreso now that we move around in a world that is completely saturated by copies upon copies of &quot;original&quot; works.

The genius of Close was that he and his assistants made photorealistic paintings during the late 20th century heyday of centralized mass media. In good postmodernist form, it called attention to the importance of craft/style and process over ideal and product. His paralysis and prosopagnosia add pathos to the project, but they don&#039;t change the historically situated point of it.

Blake&#039;s work is the next step. He calls attention to the naivete of early pomo &quot;returns to form.&quot; That is, is doesn&#039;t matter how realistically or stylishly you paint in your little squares: these days, a computer will do it for you. So where does that leave artists? What is the point of developing a special style when a plug-in can emulate it for anyone who wants to try it on?

I have no sympathy for Close. He and his formalist cohorts (e.g. Warhol, Hirst) knew what they were getting into when they chose to comment on contemporary aesthetic ecology rather than something more transcendent. On the upside, it made them fantastically rich (for artists), because everyone is increasingly involved in the recursive media milieu. On the downside, it&#039;s a crowded and mutable area of inquiry that kills its darlings as a matter of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conservative tone of the comments on Salon is ridiculous. A certain generation of art-lovers is showing its age by not understanding the centrality of &#8220;derivative&#8221; work to the current scene. The Negativland quotes are totally on point, even moreso now that we move around in a world that is completely saturated by copies upon copies of &#8220;original&#8221; works.</p>
<p>The genius of Close was that he and his assistants made photorealistic paintings during the late 20th century heyday of centralized mass media. In good postmodernist form, it called attention to the importance of craft/style and process over ideal and product. His paralysis and prosopagnosia add pathos to the project, but they don&#8217;t change the historically situated point of it.</p>
<p>Blake&#8217;s work is the next step. He calls attention to the naivete of early pomo &#8220;returns to form.&#8221; That is, is doesn&#8217;t matter how realistically or stylishly you paint in your little squares: these days, a computer will do it for you. So where does that leave artists? What is the point of developing a special style when a plug-in can emulate it for anyone who wants to try it on?</p>
<p>I have no sympathy for Close. He and his formalist cohorts (e.g. Warhol, Hirst) knew what they were getting into when they chose to comment on contemporary aesthetic ecology rather than something more transcendent. On the upside, it made them fantastically rich (for artists), because everyone is increasingly involved in the recursive media milieu. On the downside, it&#8217;s a crowded and mutable area of inquiry that kills its darlings as a matter of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Phyllis Schlessinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phyllis Schlessinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!</description>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Rodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Rodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to monopolize the tiling technique seems akin to being the first to use a palette knife in oil painting and suing others for using the same.  Beyond that (using the Close name in website, etc.), Blake&#039;s ground for complaint is much more shaky.  &quot;Teapot,&quot; above, has a tidy view and a cute solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to monopolize the tiling technique seems akin to being the first to use a palette knife in oil painting and suing others for using the same.  Beyond that (using the Close name in website, etc.), Blake&#8217;s ground for complaint is much more shaky.  &#8221;Teapot,&#8221; above, has a tidy view and a cute solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that is really you.....I can&#039;t tell if you&#039;re upset because Chuck Close is rich-or- you can&#039;t use his name and style on your software.  

But congratulations on all of your press coverage by riding his fame/name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that is really you&#8230;..I can&#8217;t tell if you&#8217;re upset because Chuck Close is rich-or- you can&#8217;t use his name and style on your software.  </p>
<p>But congratulations on all of your press coverage by riding his fame/name.</p>
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